[ThrustMaster]

1. Anyone who has used PEDs or has friends who have knows that users do not always look like the dude in the OP.
2. As someone who swapped 28+lbs of body fat for lean muscle over 10 years I can't tell you being in the top 5th percentile in fitness makes a huge difference with women of ANY AGE. Those who say it doesn't don't have top physiques - and the "type of women" argument is bumpkiss too.
3. Hepatotoxicity with orals is real, additionally with orals I'm fairy sure the compounds need to cycle through two times to become bioavailable, presumably due to esther cleavage.
4. If 100 guys on this forum jumped on PEDs tomorrow and hit the gym as normal they would stand no chance to look like the dude in the OP. In fact I'd say 1% would if that. That's a gym rat probably not even doing rest days. Steroids help your recovery - you still need to be a fiend in the gym to get a top physique.
5. Non idiotic cycles can be done safely if you have someone monitoring you or if you know how to do it yourself.

That dude is shredded. But again he might look like that 2-3 months of the year. The rest of the time he looks like "fit dude". Yes he'll be bigger then his peerage, but he won't look crazy pumped.

[theking]

Most fitness model never experience a "crash". They simply blast high amounts of steroids and then "cruise" on trt doses of testosterone. I've been doing this myself for a couple years. Only side effects for me are sometimes high blood pressure (which can be easily solved) and lethargy when doing high doses.

Oral steroids are much rougher on the body than injectables. And please don't run them without injectable testosterone. Olympic athletes only do this because they need to pass drug tests, not because it's healthier or more effective.

They were the best decision I ever made in my life. Gained 40lb the first year I started and lost body fat. I haven't made much progress the last couple years because I've reached what I'm happy with (6'2, 220lb at 10% bf). I know if I ever want to look similar to the guy in the OP (have before) its only a couple months away because of the cycling experience I have.

Makes meeting women much easier. I'm usually extremely busy at work so I rely on mainly tinder which is all visual.

[Sonoma]

I don't think oversized bodies are terribly great in the long term, and I don't think steroids, especially unprescribed, are good either.

I can look good at a reasonable weight, and getting that much bigger doesn't sound appealing as I age. At 50+ carrying around that weight would be a massive burden

[General Stalin]

Money, side effects, and dependency. Also pricking yourself with a needle every other day like a diabetic or a junky sounds like shit.

[nomadbrah]

If I was skinny dude, I would probably have done a cycle. I actually think natural ectomorphs are the ones who gets the best physiques from roids. Most girls don't like the massive physiques, but broad shoulders and big arms they do like and roids work exceptionally well on Delts and Biceps.

I would be more tempted to cut using Clenbuterol.

[DarkTriad]

(09-02-2017 11:30 AM)helmutschmidt31 Wrote:  

I have done many steroid cycles. I wish I never had touched the stuff. Reasons not to do steroids

1) The prominent effects, especially from stuff like Trenbolone, are transient. You might look great for a few months, but you can't take these drugs forever.
2) Recovery is much worse than most people admit. A huge number of users resort to running cycles 24/7 because they can't handle the comedown. I have abused steroids in the past, and one particularly difficult recovery was brutal. Seriously messed my life up.
3) Steroids induce mania in most people. Roid rage is an extreme case, but most people will at the very least be irrationally self confident and excessively sexual.
4) There are real, negative health consequences. Simply look at the number of bodybuilders who are dead in their 40s. The biggest issue is high red blood cell counts.
5) It gets real old sticking a needle in your body EOD.
6) Sex is more pleasurable when you're off the stuff.
7) the evidence is clear that steroids cause a significant increase in risk for mental illness. While it is always difficult to prove causation, I will say that I am not the same person I was before I ever started cycling.

My recommendation to anyone looking to cycle is to try running Clomid 25mg ED and Proviron 50mg ED. You will get the self confidence you want, and the clomid will increase your testosterone levels to the maximum level. You'll blow huge loads, and sex will be great.

If you do cycle, I would ignore all bodybuilding websites, with the possible exception of thinksteroids.com. Whatever you do, do not use long estered products. The shit stays in your system for months. Oral steroids are far safer, out of your system quickly, and give better results than most admit.

Can you elaborate on #7?

[Parzival]

I've never done it due to some reasons. I think often about it when I see bigger, leaner guys.
First of all health issues. What I read so far its all about what and how much you take. Therefore I don't worry so much but about the side and long term effects.
Things like roid rage, akne and hearth attacks, tumours etc. I fight already a little with my skin because I have some oily skin. Guess it will require some extra care then. I've done some drugs as well and have no side effects, most issues that come are an abuse of things and when you do it over a long period.

My main issue, is it worth it? You run a cycle, check your blood, take a moderate dose. And then I go off. What will I keep? Maybe I look great with it but how much I will keep long term? The more you juice yourself up the more you get down. This is what most people keep addict. When I can keep 3 - 5 kg muscles, which is quite a lot, then it will be nice.
What I notice, beside bad stuff, high doses, no health checks is that most that abuse it don't have their life in order. With the gain of the muscles they try to compensate something. This leads, beside some mental or health issues to the most problems.
At the moment I read more about the differences of steroids because I just want to add something on the body I already have. When I find something that fit to my goals then I have to to a medical check and find good quality. And still then I'm not sure if I will do it. When I walk around already people notice that I'm fit, for some I'm even buff. The main question is, for whom I do it? It's mainly for my own ego. But where comes it from that I think about it when I already are more fit and muscular then most average people? Why I'm still hungry for more?

[John Michael Kane]

There are diminishing returns when it comes to being fit. If you're toned and slightly muscular, that is enough for most girls. I've seen guys that were absolutely jacked and were complete dopes around women. Hugh muscles = automatic success with women = false. There are plenty of guys with average or even slender builds that attract women because they are funny, play a musical instrument, etc. Men focus mostly on looks when picking a woman, but women select upon multiple factors (of which muscle is one of them) when it comes to men. That's why spending hours and hours in the gym to look like that original post is just a pointless waste of time. I can do five days a week at the gym, do no PED's and look fit. Never had a problem with women because I'm confident, friendly and know how to tease. I have average looks. Muscle, past the point of being moderately fit/buff gets to be a huge time and money sink. (Bulking, plus PED's, plus lack of focus on career instead of body obsessing), all leads to lack of balance in life. That's not even getting into the well-documented side-effects.

[Fortis]

There is doing roids and then there is doing roids.

Rich Piana was mega dosing all sorts of shit and died after probably doing coke and ecstasy. He was in his late forties and almost weighed as much as the current mr. Olympia. Lolwut?

A guy pinning 250mg of Test U with a little dbol for 12 weeks isn't going to keel over dead randomly.

Just as steroid abuse has distorted our vision of what it is to be "fit," steroid abuse has distorted the common man's understanding of how to use testosterone and safely researched chemicals to achieve better living.

I did my blood work a few weeks ago and I came back fine. I'm not mega dosing. I am using a well-researched dosage for all my chems.

I look like I lift, my libido's fine and I get on with my life.

Guys do way more dangerous shit than injecting testosterone and nobody bats an eyelash.

If you go out and rawdog dirty sloots for weeks on end while doing illegal drugs everyone acts like you're "living life" and you're so cool, but if you tell your friends you're on TRT they're all suddenly "worried" about you and shit. They all suddenly become expert endocrinologists and can tell you what you need.

I can't tell you how many times guys are like "bro you don't need to use testosterone! That's cheating! It can kill you!" while they sit in front of me and stuff their faces with McDonalds, work jobs that they hate and live in countries that they detest.

I do testosterone because I was deficient after years of working out. I am legitimately happy with my decision. I never tell anyone to do it, but guys have been drinking the anti-testosterone kool-aid for too long. I may eventually try other chemicals but if someone said "the gainz are over" I'd be happy with my results. Fuck, the mental benefits alone are a huge reason I love TRT so much.

Guys will readily research how big soy and big agriculture manipulate our food choices with false statistics and outright lies, but guys suddenly believe everything the government says once the dirty word "steroids" comes into the mix.

It makes no sense.

[John Michael Kane]

The people who say "I'm going to do a safe cycle of roids" fail to often realize that encouraging men to get on roids is often about fragile egos. That is, they have to be the biggest man in the gym. When I was a gym manager for several years, there was a group of guys on the stuff, and they were always in pain and hurting themselves because they were pushing their bodies to the limit day in and day out to max out their single rep bench press. They have torn and strained every fiber and ligament in their body.

Look at the older guys in the gym who have been using the roids for a long time.

NEARLY EVERY DAMN ONE of them have had serious injuries related to pushing harder than what their body could handle. Just because your muscles grow larger doesn't mean your body as a whole becomes tougher and more resistant to injury. Muscle tears and worn cartilage are why old roided up dudes in the gym are hobbling around. While there are some guys who know their limits, more often than not, I've seen guys who cycle regularly have this Bulletproof Bro mentality where they end up getting hurt. Nature likes a balance. Just like we make fun of soi boys who eat a steady diet of tofu, I can safely safe that roiding up is a bad idea in 90+% of the time. Like any drug, men can become addicted to the outcome, so why not up the dosage? The problem is, nobody knows if they will become an addict until it is too late. Men often overestimate their self-control and ability to know when to stop.

[Fortis]

(09-03-2017 03:28 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The people who say "I'm going to do a safe cycle of roids" fail to often realize that encouraging men to get on roids is often about fragile egos. That is, they have to be the biggest man in the gym. When I was a gym manager for several years, there was a group of guys on the stuff, and they were always in pain and hurting themselves because they were pushing their bodies to the limit day in and day out to max out their single rep bench press. They have torn and strained every fiber and ligament in their body.

Look at the older guys in the gym who have been using the roids for a long time.

NEARLY EVERY DAMN ONE of them have had serious injuries related to pushing harder than what their body could handle. Just because your muscles grow larger doesn't mean your body as a whole becomes tougher and more resistant to injury. Muscle tears and worn cartilage are why old roided up dudes in the gym are hobbling around. While there are some guys who know their limits, more often than not, I've seen guys who cycle regularly have this Bulletproof Bro mentality where they end up getting hurt. Nature likes a balance. Just like we make fun of soi boys who eat a steady diet of tofu, I can safely safe that roiding up is a bad idea in 90+% of the time. Like any drug, men can become addicted to the outcome, so why not up the dosage? The problem is, nobody knows if they will become an addict until it is too late. Men often overestimate their self-control and ability to know when to stop.

Depends on what we mean by roiding up. Cycling 250mg of testosterone for 3 weeks is not going to kill someone or make them addicted to Testosterone. That's like when guys say that weed is a gateway drug. Just because you toked a joint doesn't mean you suddenly lose all control and have to start shooting crack cocaine into your eyeballs.

Just because you did a few cycles here and there for fun doesn't mean you're suddenly gonna be sucking dicks in the alleyway to afford your monthly supplement stacks.

You'd be really surprised. Most steroid users don't look like they're on anything. The dudes you talk about who are destroying themselves week in and week out are usually mentally a bit off anyway. If it wasn't roids, it'd probably be illegally racing, gambling, dogfighting or something else. I don't genuinely believe that anabolics are so unique evil out in the world (not implying that you said that).

This is all attributable to personal shortcomings. Guys with addiction issues probably shouldn't be shooting chemicals into their bodies, but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater for those of us who can use these chemicals to get effect for our personal lives. I couldn't dream of going off of it. I won't liken it to lifesaving medicine, but I do find that TRT is an indispensable part of my life routine. Could I live without it? Sure, but do I want to? Hell no.

I have many friends who have been on TRT for 5+ years and they're not going crazy with roid abuse. I do have one friend whose vice is he loves roids, but he's got his life together, so if he wants to shoot 300mg of Tren hex into himself during the week, I really can't see the issue with it.

Guys do far more deleterious things to themselves with drugs and alcohol but no one seems to care about that.

[Razors Edge]

This is a good post with lots of great responses.

To look at as cut and as shredded as the guy in picture u basically have to dedicate your life to training, eating, sleeping and spending loads of money on food, supplements, drugs etc..

I've seen friends do this... and they are now in their 40's their bodies are fucked they don't have a lot of money and haven't done a hell of a lot. Need viagra, surgeries to back and shoulders from years of heavy weights ,have had mental issues and not much hair now.
Whilst other friends who spent their 20's working hard, focusing on money etc are now fkn rich and laughing.

Dorian Yates is a great man for not only what he achieved in bodybuilding but he has a great mind and is a deep thinker. He talks about his life how it was all sleep, eat, train drugs for 20 years. As soon as he stopped he went crazy partying flat out trying to make up for the 20 years of living he lost. While he stops short of saying he regrets it because it made him who he is now and obviously a lot of money you can tell now he just doesn't give a shit about muscles and being big and realises there is more to life... He also says he is the happiest he has ever been now since quitting it all and finally feels at peace.

The point is when you are a young bloke you are fkn stupid and immature and make all these fkn decisions and lifestyle choices that affect your future..health, money etc For example trying to get your bench up or get an extra inch on your arm instead of using your energy to focus on working and making money. You grow up and mature and realise that outside of the gym no one gives a fuck about how much you can bench or how big your fkn triceps are.

So in my opinion is... to do loads of steroids... yes if it is going to provide you with income... athlete, actor, model, body bulilder etc

If not then think carefully about your health. If you have a good natural body I would not considerate it..I would consider health-train and eat right.

If you have shit genetics then i would consider it at low dosages if you have exhausted every other avenue.

If you are 40 plus yes trt dosages.

So as others have stated above the key word is balance. GYM, WORK, MONEY, HEALTH, SOCIAL LIFE... don't choose one and lose sight of the others.

[churros]

OP's heart leapt when he saw the private message from Roid_Killer.

"Here's the latest photos of my progress bro. Enjoy."

OP unzipped the photos. Perfect chiselled physique. Toned deltoids. Sculpted abs.

The man in the picture lifted his little shorts. "Those thighs could just crush me," OP thought. He bit his lip, semi-chub.

"Thanks bro. Nice program," OP replied. "Still down for sauna this week?"

[Steelex]

(09-02-2017 03:23 PM)helmutschmidt31 Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:17 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

My last cycle was damn near 40 weeks and I bounced back just fine after 8 weeks off no PCT.

Not everyone is that lucky.

There are many different degrees of running gear. Running 400mg of test a week isn't the same as running a gram of test, and half a gram of tren, nor is it the same as running test, tren, peptides, gh and insulin.

It's different for everyone but you can get great results without going ham diddly damn.

This is emblematic of the mindset that people have when they are on steroids. I think it goes without saying that 40 weeks is absolutely reckless.

Anyone who runs cycles of that kind of duration simply does not have a valid opinion worth considering.

And you are? How many cycles have you ran? What were your results? Pic?

You obviously have an axe to grind.

Im willing to bet most of the people on this thread have never used steroids based on the comments.

[helmutschmidt31]

(09-02-2017 07:47 PM)Lermontov Wrote:  

Many cardiac effects as well (like tylenol lol?).

I really say this with all sincerity. Did you graduate from a top 100 university? Have you ever actually used anabolic steroids?

Are you really claiming that oral steroids have some kind of increased cardoiotoxicity risk versus any other injectable? This I find the perplexing, outside of the fact you are using faggot speak like "LOL" on a site about masculinity. What exactly is the mechanism you propose for this?

The mechanism by which Tylenol is designed to survive digestion is very similar to the alkylation of anabolic steoirds. This is a very simple scientific fact, one could easily verify with google. Further, Tylenol IS very toxic, especially when combined with alcohol. Were you to read up on it, you'd find that Tylenol is a leading cause of liver failure in the West.

Instead, you dump a shit ton of irrelevant studies.

I'm not going to look up that nonsense. Make your argument in a reasonably technical fashion, using the studies as citations. It costs me money to pull that shit.

I want to make it clear that this isn't a pissing match here for me. I greatly respect many on this site, and I do not want guys here fucking their life up because some idiot is repeating bullshit he read on some childish bodybuilding forum.

[helmutschmidt31]

(09-03-2017 12:42 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 03:23 PM)helmutschmidt31 Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:17 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

My last cycle was damn near 40 weeks and I bounced back just fine after 8 weeks off no PCT.

Not everyone is that lucky.

There are many different degrees of running gear. Running 400mg of test a week isn't the same as running a gram of test, and half a gram of tren, nor is it the same as running test, tren, peptides, gh and insulin.

It's different for everyone but you can get great results without going ham diddly damn.

This is emblematic of the mindset that people have when they are on steroids. I think it goes without saying that 40 weeks is absolutely reckless.

Anyone who runs cycles of that kind of duration simply does not have a valid opinion worth considering.

And you are? How many cycles have you ran? What were your results? Pic?

You obviously have an axe to grind.

Im willing to bet most of the people on this thread have never used steroids based on the comments.

Dude, are you really claiming that 40-week cycles are healthy? Even the lunatics on bodybuilding forums won't claim that. You find me somebody ANYWHERE who thinks that is AOK. Have you even had an RBC test done?

I've run more cycles than I can count. I'm nearly 40, and I've been in this game for close to 10 years. 20 before gear.

I have had friends who have died.

Me? I had a high RBC problem a few years ago after a heavy tren cycle, and toned it down since then. I couldn't breath on mountain during a ski trip. I had to go to the ER.

That said, that is the only problem I have had outside of depression post cycle. I've recovered very well, despite years of steroid abuse in the past. I can still bust a load, and pull chicks in college.

Is it worth it?

The long term effects on my health still concern me. Having friends die certainly does that to you. Approaching 40 does that to you. If I croak tomorrow and I'm on my death bed, I can tell you that it just wasn't worth it.

All you people don't want to say anything of substance. Let's say YOU die of a heart attack at 45. Will you think it was worth it? If so, tell me how. In detail. Pretend you went to a real college, and write a fucking paragraph.

[helmutschmidt31]

(09-02-2017 10:42 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 11:30 AM)helmutschmidt31 Wrote:  

7) the evidence is clear that steroids cause a significant increase in risk for mental illness. While it is always difficult to prove causation, I will say that I am

Can you elaborate on #7?

I already provided one study that no one gave a shit about. This is a topic that is not studied very intensively. So we just don't know for sure. But google the topic yourself and read about it.

As for me, I just don't think I'm the same person. I used to be more chill, kinder. There is a certain aggression that stays with you after you use these drugs. I know a lot of old guys my age who used to cycle and their minds are gone.

[Steelex]

Fwiw, a lot of the issues you're describing seem somewhat tren specific. It's no secret that tren has some huge drawbacks, and has been shown to cause effects similar to dementia. You almost can't even group it in the same category of drug as test, deca or eq. Ive ran tren before and I didn't dig the mental sides. I was happy as a clam on test and eq though.

As I said earlier I think the sides are dependant on the dose and the compound. I think you could run 150mg/week of test for a long time with intermittent periods of higher doses here and there. When I ran that long cycle it was 6-8 weeks of higher dose (less than a gram altogether) followed by 150-200mg of test for 4-6 weeks.

And yeah my RBC count was slightly elevated during that period, but only up to the high end of the normal range. I also donate blood on the regular so that helps.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

The question should be, why would you use steroids? The obvious answer: To get big and muscular quickly and efficiently. But is it worth it or necessary?

How big does a guy need to be? If we're talking about as means to attract women - not that big really. Lean, athletic and somewhat muscular is all that's needed and that's attainable naturally for most men. I'm 35 and that's the shape I'm in, ALL NATTY BRO.

When taking steroids or other PEDs you're doing something that has potential health risks and it's impossible to say how your body will react. Something might happen that isn't obviously attributable to steroid use, but you'll always wonder if the roids were the cause. Roids also require constant injections, and stressing about your blood work. Not to mention having to travel with gear being a big issue.

I tried dbol years ago for a month out of curiosity. Wish I had never even had done that. Not sure what my T levels were before and after so I don't know if it had any negative effect on my T levels, but not knowing if it caused a decease in natural T bothers me.

TLDR - No need to spend huge amounts of money, invest huge amounts of time and risk your health to get your body to a point that isn't necessary to attract women and in some cases will actually put women off.

[Moma]

Cambodian, the truth is, a lot of guys are lazy and don't want to wait for results. Obviously the roids are addictive, they start using them and the feel of power is hard to let go of.

They want hacks on everything in life.

[Lermontov]

@helmutschmidt31

Why do you think that we don't prescribe oral testosterone replacement therapy?

''Oral formulations of testosterone are not approved in the USA, due to historically being linked with liver toxicity and fluctuations in testosterone levels (8,9).''

Transl Androl Urol. 2016 Dec; 5(6): 834–843.
doi: 10.21037/tau.2016.07.10
PMCID: PMC5182226
Pharmacology of testosterone replacement therapy preparations
Jennifer J. Shoskes,1 Meghan K. Wilson,2 and Michael L. Spinnercorresponding author2
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...182226/#r8


''The oral form of 17-alpha-alkylated androgen should not be used because of their potential liver toxicity including the development of benign and malignant neoplasm61 in addition deleterious effects on levels of both LDL cholesterol (LDL-C) and HDL cholesterol (HDL-C)''

Ther Clin Risk Manag. 2009; 5: 427–448.
Published online 2009 Jun 22.
PMCID: PMC2701485
The benefits and risks of testosterone replacement therapy: a review
Nazem Bassil,1 Saad Alkaade,2 and John E Morley1,3
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2701485/

''Oral preparations should be avoided because of first-pass metabolism and the association of hepatotoxicity with the higher doses used for men.''
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2006/0501/p1591.html

When you take a drug orally, there is a first-pass metabolism in the liver before reaching the systemic circulation. It is that simple.

When you say that ''Oral anabolic steroids are no more hard on your body than tylenol.'', it is simply not true. Medically it is highly laughable. Tylenol is a major cause of liver failure because people often try to kill themselves by ingesting a large quantity since it is easily accessible and everyone has a bottle at home. Even there, it usually fails and the vast majority of patients survive. Only about 10% of patients who have taken an overdose will develop acute liver failure. Most of those patients with acute liver failure will recover. Try taking a large quantity of oral anabolic steroids and see what happens.

Regarding the cardiotoxicity, I was just refering to steroids in general since you were comparing them with tylenol. It is a misunderstanding.

Oral testosterone is more toxic for the liver than other delivery means. Every year at the hospital, we see some guys with a history of oral steroids use that get admitted for liver failure or a tumor.

Does that mean that you will fuck up your liver for sure if you take oral steroids? Not necessarily, but you expose yourself to a certain degree of risk, more than if you'd inject it in your buttocks.

Yes I graduated from a top 100 university to answer your question. It doesn't really matter. I don't use anabolic steroids. I won't disclose my occupation but I know what I'm talking about.

[Steelex]

(09-03-2017 06:22 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

The question should be, why would you use steroids? The obvious answer: To get big and muscular quickly and efficiently. But is it worth it or necessary?

How big does a guy need to be? If we're talking about as means to attract women - not that big really. Lean, athletic and somewhat muscular is all that's needed and that's attainable naturally for most men. I'm 35 and that's the shape I'm in, ALL NATTY BRO.

When taking steroids or other PEDs you're doing something that has potential health risks and it's impossible to say how your body will react. Something might happen that isn't obviously attributable to steroid use, but you'll always wonder if the roids were the cause. Roids also require constant injections, and stressing about your blood work. Not to mention having to travel with gear being a big issue.

I tried dbol years ago for a month out of curiosity. Wish I had never even had done that. Not sure what my T levels were before and after so I don't know if it had any negative effect on my T levels, but not knowing if it caused a decease in natural T bothers me.

TLDR - No need to spend huge amounts of money, invest huge amounts of time and risk your health to get your body to a point that isn't necessary to attract women and in some cases will actually put women off.

I think it's interesting that a lot of people only look at it from the perspective of "well you don't need to be really big to attract women" perspective.

I 100% agree that you don't need to be big to attract women. I know guys with average bodies who do quite well. On the opposite end I am a great bit bigger than average and do great with women. But that's totally not the point of it.

For some, bodybuilding is a calling. Some guys sail, some play poker, some race cars. It just is what it is. I might look at a 300k drag car and say "shit that's just taking it too far" but for another guy he gets it and it makes sense. Same thing with gear usage, it makes from the perspective of the person who has that particular passion.

[LINUX]

(09-02-2017 11:30 AM)helmutschmidt31 Wrote:  

Whatever you do, do not use long estered products. The shit stays in your system for months. Oral steroids are far safer, out of your system quickly, and give better results than most admit.

This is absolute horseshit and probably one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.

This is why I avoid these threads, they piss me off because too many guys comment not knowing what they are talking about.

[LINUX]

(09-02-2017 11:12 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

This guy is nothing special. This is obtainable very easy. His legs look like shit, and basically all he has going for him is a low bf, water depletion and some dryness form the mast. He has no mass either even though he looks extremely short. This is simple shit to obtain. You can get someone to look like that 1-3 years depending on their genetics, dedication, and diet. Shit I know forum members bigger than this guy who only roll on a 200mg cruise.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

(09-04-2017 12:56 AM)LINUX Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 11:12 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

This guy is nothing special. This is obtainable very easy. His legs look like shit, and basically all he has going for him is a low bf, water depletion and some dryness form the mast. He has no mass either even though he looks extremely short. This is simple shit to obtain. You can get someone to look like that 1-3 years depending on their genetics, dedication, and diet. Shit I know forum members bigger than this guy who only roll on a 200mg cruise.

So...2/10 pointy elbows WNWOTLL (would not work out to look like)?

How do I get to look like that (or better) in 1-3 years? Serious question.