[Suits]

(09-02-2017 03:31 AM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

You also can't really make money in SEA as an English teacher. Most salaries cap out at around $1200 - $2000 tops. If you want to make more than that you're looking at working 7 days a week full-time.

Good luck - you'll burn out pretty quickly. China's roughly the same.

Not if you're smart, experienced and skilled.

[Vinny]

@Sandstorm: Did not read the whole thread, but after being to most popular pussy destinations I would say that SEA - SA - EE - SEA is the best way to do it.

1 SEA for a lot of bangs and getting vagina of pedestal.
2 SA for fun and enjoyment
3 EE for a relationship and family.
4 SEA if it did not work out and you are old but still horny.

I am in between stages 2 and 3 myself. I wonder if anyone thinks the same.

[Razors Edge]

(09-02-2017 05:15 AM)Vinny Wrote:  

@Sandstorm: Did not read the whole thread, but after being to most popular pussy destinations I would say that SEA - SA - EE - SEA is the best way to do it.

1 SEA for a lot of bangs and getting vagina of pedestal.
2 SA for fun and enjoyment
3 EE for a relationship and family.
4 SEA if it did not work out and you are old but still horny.

I am in between stages 2 and 3 myself. I wonder if anyone thinks the same.

I would agree with that...

SEA is definitely your last port of call...but what age is the question...

[digitalconquistador]

(09-02-2017 02:29 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 11:15 PM)digitalconquistador Wrote:  

IMO, it's definitely not worth living in Asia anymore, unless you are really into the culture

I see that you have no accompanying statistics, explanation or rational to go along with your statement which appears to be based on nothing.

I know a great deal of young men who have improved themselves, their lifestyle and their future by choosing to live in Asia.

What do you know?

Calm down, Captain China. I did make this post, which you +1'd:
post-1638611...pid1638611

I did say it was my opinion, and I should have been more specific. Living in Asia for a while can be a great experience. But I couldn't recommend settling down there -- which is what the OP is implying -- especially if he hasn't established himself first.

There's a lot of talk online about "leaving the west forever", often with an almost desperate ring to it, like it's going to solve all of your problems. But as a foreigner, the odds are stacked against you, it's not easymode, at least not anymore, and you need to spend at least twice the amount of money for a lifestyle comparable to back home. I mean, in China, you're looking at up to $30,000 for a fucking parking space. If the OP really wants to live abroad and doesn't have an income stream of some kind, he's probably better off first returning to the west and focusing on it 100%. Otherwise, he could be teaching English for years with no real future and nothing to show for it.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-02-2017 05:04 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 03:31 AM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

You also can't really make money in SEA as an English teacher. Most salaries cap out at around $1200 - $2000 tops. If you want to make more than that you're looking at working 7 days a week full-time.

Good luck - you'll burn out pretty quickly. China's roughly the same.

Not if you're smart, experienced and skilled.

Are you not working illegally in China?

[Suits]

(09-02-2017 08:59 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 05:04 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 03:31 AM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

You also can't really make money in SEA as an English teacher. Most salaries cap out at around $1200 - $2000 tops. If you want to make more than that you're looking at working 7 days a week full-time.

Good luck - you'll burn out pretty quickly. China's roughly the same.

Not if you're smart, experienced and skilled.

Are you not working illegally in China?

Yes, that's where being smart comes in. I'd guess that there are more people working illegally in China than people working legally. There's only so many companies that have the licenses in place to legally hire foreigners and even fewer who do so completely legally, despite being in the position to do so. However, there is a massive army of students on student visas who don't have to worry about doing visa runs and are eager for a little beer money. Not to mention all the people on tourist visas or dubiously obtained Z-visas.

The general principle in China is that the bureaucracy ensures that those who follow the rules get crushed. More importantly, the people who have the money to setup a legally licensed school generally care little about education and are much more focused on recouping their investment. Working for those type of businesses is a recipe for disappointment, if you care at all about actual learning.

The trick is to keep your head down and not get caught in one of the periodic crackdowns where the immigration police actually pretend to do their jobs.

As far as I see it, working illegally in China, restores some balance in the world where China has flouted WTO accords on the flimsiest of justification and the rich power-brokers let them do it just so long as they can buy socks for 1cents a pair to sell at their local superstore.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-02-2017 09:18 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Yes, that's where being smart comes in. I'd guess that there are more people working illegally in China than people working legally. There's only so many companies that have the licenses in place to legally hire foreigners and even fewer who do so completely legally, despite being in the position to do so. However, there is a massive army of students on student visas who don't have to worry about doing visa runs and are eager for a little beer money. Not to mention all the people on tourist visas or dubiously obtained Z-visas.

The general principle in China is that the bureaucracy ensures that those who follow the rules get crushed. More importantly, the people who have the money to setup a legally licensed school generally care little about education and are much more focused on recouping their investment. Working for those type of businesses is a recipe for disappointment, if you care at all about actual learning.

The trick is to keep your head down and not get caught in one of the periodic crackdowns where the immigration police actually pretend to do their jobs.

As far as I see it, working illegally in China, restores some balance in the world where China has flouted WTO accords on the flimsiest of justification and the rich power-brokers let them do it just so long as they can buy socks for 1cents a pair to sell at their local superstore.

I'd say the other smart thing you are doing is building a business that won't rely on working within China. Personally, I could care less if you are working illegally. It isn't something that I would want to rely on long term for obvious reasons.

[nomadbrah]

(09-02-2017 09:18 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 08:59 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 05:04 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 03:31 AM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

You also can't really make money in SEA as an English teacher. Most salaries cap out at around $1200 - $2000 tops. If you want to make more than that you're looking at working 7 days a week full-time.

Good luck - you'll burn out pretty quickly. China's roughly the same.

Not if you're smart, experienced and skilled.

Are you not working illegally in China?

Yes, that's where being smart comes in. I'd guess that there are more people working illegally in China than people working legally. There's only so many companies that have the licenses in place to legally hire foreigners and even fewer who do so completely legally, despite being in the position to do so. However, there is a massive army of students on student visas who don't have to worry about doing visa runs and are eager for a little beer money. Not to mention all the people on tourist visas or dubiously obtained Z-visas.

The general principle in China is that the bureaucracy ensures that those who follow the rules get crushed. More importantly, the people who have the money to setup a legally licensed school generally care little about education and are much more focused on recouping their investment. Working for those type of businesses is a recipe for disappointment, if you care at all about actual learning.

The trick is to keep your head down and not get caught in one of the periodic crackdowns where the immigration police actually pretend to do their jobs.

As far as I see it, working illegally in China, restores some balance in the world where China has flouted WTO accords on the flimsiest of justification and the rich power-brokers let them do it just so long as they can buy socks for 1cents a pair to sell at their local superstore.

Hear, hear.

[UnW]

Hmm.. let's see from the employment perspective. What was your employment background in previously?

When I first moved to Asia in late 2014, I taught at the beginning to have a bit of career break and try something different for a while. Slowly, I got bored of it despite the decent pay and then moved back into Accounting which is what my profession was in back in my home country. For me, I had roughly 3 years experience as an Accountant back in Australia which helped me find a decent position here. Teaching is not bad to for a transient thing but long term if you're not really passionate about it, it'll end up being a drag. I enjoyed the experience but for me it was only something I was going to do for a year or two.

[soltopia]

This may seem like an absurd suggestion but how about Australia and New Zealand?

I split my time between Asia and Australasia and it works out well for me. I also find three months of Asia is enough.

Here is the kicker. I spend less in Australia than anywhere in Asia. I stay in hostels in Aus which works out a little cheaper than hotels in Asia. I cook in Aus and NZ, which is way cheaper for me as I will eat a lot of western food in Asia, which is not cheap.

I then go hiking and camping for weeks on end which can cut expenses to barely anything. I could not do that in Asia. Obviously not everyone would do this.

Don't let the costly reputation of seemingly expensive places put you off. My tall latte costs less here in Melbourne than in Saigon!

Get out of English teaching. So many things you can do online to earn a good crust. Once you have nailed an online income you are free to go anywhere.

I disagree with the South American suggestion. I found Peru more expensive than Spain, that was for similar quality of hotels and restaurants. Peru is the 2nd cheapest SA country too!

Good luck and ditch the Tefl!

[This Is Trouble]

(09-01-2017 12:22 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 11:54 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

You can feel sick of everywhere at some point. Actually just wrote about that today on my ROK article: http://www.returnofkings.com/129169/when...-to-add-up

I feel sick of not being in your arms

Happy to see you back bro!

[asiaslayer]

@ OP,

why did you leave Bangkok, especially if you are not into living as a local? as BKK seems to be the most international city in SEA with all kinds of western luxuries and a large foreign scene. Vietnam doesn't even offer half the stuff that BKK/Thailand does.

[churros]

(09-04-2017 05:46 AM)asiaslayer Wrote:  

@ OP,

why did you leave Bangkok, especially if you are not into living as a local? as BKK seems to be the most international city in SEA with all kinds of western luxuries and a large foreign scene. Vietnam doesn't even offer half the stuff that BKK/Thailand does.

Like what?

[nomadbrah]

(09-04-2017 10:17 AM)churros Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 05:46 AM)asiaslayer Wrote:  

@ OP,

why did you leave Bangkok, especially if you are not into living as a local? as BKK seems to be the most international city in SEA with all kinds of western luxuries and a large foreign scene. Vietnam doesn't even offer half the stuff that BKK/Thailand does.

Like what?

Functioning public transportation is one. World class health care is another. Then there's the online stuff in Bangkok, food, services, electronic delivery. Bangkok could easily be a first world city if the elites didn't prefer it to not be.

[Putin Closes]

(09-04-2017 12:05 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:17 AM)churros Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 05:46 AM)asiaslayer Wrote:  

@ OP,

why did you leave Bangkok, especially if you are not into living as a local? as BKK seems to be the most international city in SEA with all kinds of western luxuries and a large foreign scene. Vietnam doesn't even offer half the stuff that BKK/Thailand does.

Like what?

Functioning public transportation is one. World class health care is another. Then there's the online stuff in Bangkok, food, services, electronic delivery. Bangkok could easily be a first world city if the elites didn't prefer it to not be.

It aint first world but even a close margin if the streets continue to smell like ass crack with peddlers lining the entire place hustling. Once you get off the streets then yeah easy to live in first world luxury if you got western money.

Vast majority of city I suspect is still 3rd world, most foreigners just stick to Suk (which I would do too) / BTS area.