[ivansirko]

Its Vice.......

[Elster]

Was it 2004 when Vice was so edgy that it published on print an article on how to pick up girls?

[TheOllam]

(08-25-2017 05:54 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

Was it 2004 when Vice was so edgy that it published on print an article on how to pick up girls?

Ahhhh the good old days.

Trying to explain this to Gen Xers, that Vice was bought out years ago and today is carefully produced angst prop.

There's no shortage of idiots, ever.

[kaotic]

Dude Vice is a joke come on now.

You really are going to take the observations of a women on game ? Especially on PUA?

Odd's are she got fucked n chucked by a said PUA that's why she WROTE about it.


As far game - it's alive and well players ! It's constantly changing and evolving - but we know this.

[RatInTheWoods]

Women hate PUA and game, because they know it works, they feel the attraction and they hate how its goes against their narrative and self worth.

[Enoch]

Game is more necessary than ever before. Had 3 dates M-Th this week and 2 flaked. Unless you are married you need to constantly be getting new numbers.

[Samseau]

Girls themselves run mad game nowadays, dating 2-3 dudes per week and double/triple booking on the same day. I have had many lays where I found out I was just the little sperm who somehow made it through a filtration process that screened out hundreds of guys before me. I'm sure if you ask the next city girl you bang her dating habits you will see the exact same thing.

Game nowadays hasn't changed in terms of passive game, but for active game you gotta be on top of your style and vibe, venues, and ability to make mass approaches.

[AnonymousBosch]

(01-10-2013 08:46 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Women want effortless attraction. They want a guy who is very attractive to them without any evidence that he's putting much effort into being that way. They very much value the romanticism of the "it just happened" kind of meeting, the idea that the guy was just there being himself and he was just right and he just happened to want her.

I couldn't write a more excellent point myself. Game for me has always been nothing more for me than encouraging the act of female predation. There's things women instinctively-find attractive, and once you understand that and have your fitness / style down, it's not that complicated because the women worth reproducing with - not these socially-broken feminist typists - enjoy the dance.

So, for complicated reasons, I was up at the Hospital last night. I wasn't in the best condition, but the (cute, young) Doctortress wanted to take Blood from me, and was complimenting my 'amazing veins' and that it should make her job easy.

A goony beard man would probably say something like "I pumped them up just for you", thinking it was a joke, and have registered as creepy AF to her.

She couldn't work out which hand to use, so I said, dryly, "Whichever one works." i.e. I'm not emotionally-invested in the mechanics of blood withdrawal. Get it done.

She put a plastic sheet down on my thigh, inserted the needle into my hand, and then a jet of blood squirted into the air. I got her, the wall, the floor, and missed the plastic sheet completely, sprayed my shorts.

What else could I do? I chuckled and said "Sorry."

"Oh, don't apologise. That was my fault."

She tried to get the Cannula seated and stop the bleeding, but she was about to turn her chair and put her foot right down in the growing pool of blood on the floor.

I grinned. "Don't step in my blood. We might need it."

I could see she was getting flustered. Not feeling quite so professional now. "Don't look at it!"

"Sorry." I said, smirking. Why was I apologising again? Because the vibe was very 'schoolteacher not in control of her student' and she was rapidly-losing the upper hand with me, saying sorry again for what was her fault, not mine, only underlined her fumbling.

Of course, she tried to reclaim power. "I'm starting to think I should charge you one dollar for every time you say 'Sorry' to me."

I said nothing - sometimes it's knowing when not to speak - and, with the Cannula now seated, I let her try and clean us both up, which ended with her dropping a couple of the wet clothes and accidentally-steadying herself on my thigh, putting a big bloody handprint on my shorts.

"Oh! Sorry!" she said.

Quick as a shot: "I'll have my dollar back, thanks."

Eye contact. She really looked at me now, studying my face with that glint in her eyes. "Oh, you're quick, aren't you?"

Do you see the dance? Non-reactive and detached; keeping emotionally steady when I'm bleeding everywhere; the light teasing of her would-be authority over me; and then outwitting her - even though I was on the edge of conscious at the time.

Of course, she probably thought "If he can outsmart me when he's down for the count, what's he like normally?"

This is the Female Romantic Fantasy Excelsior talked about: a battle of wills that she can never quite win. It's crack to them.

I don't know if you really can be taught this, or if this is something you can only learn by actively-conversing with hundreds of women.

[CynicalContrarian]

I take it that chick never fulfilled her juvenile, Disney princess fantasy...

Life can be so unfair.
Feels bad man...

[Werekoala]

@AB In my somewhat limited experience, it seems that whatever "feels right" at the moment to say is usually right. I know it doesn't seem that way in practice, but after reading about RP methodology, I realize that, to an extent, it's not a case of "figuring out" what to say, but more a case of removing the inhibitors that have been placed on us.

There seems to be about a 1/2 second period of time after a girl says something that stretches out, in my mind, to about 30 seconds - where you have time to process what she says and come up with a response. The sweet spot is right in there - not having a pre-made response, not "winging it", but you literally have an expanded sense of time to consider and deliver your answer.

I didn't "learn it" per se, it just seemed to become revealed with reading and understanding RP and male/female methodology. Almost a Zen thing I guess?

[Veloce]

(08-25-2017 04:32 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Do you know any ways to become less bitter as a person, and look inward like you talk about?

Meditation is the only way I know to process emotions in a healthy manner.

When I don't meditate, when I'm caught up in worldly desires and the events of life affect me, I feel:

"I am angry."

When I meditate, focus on "witnessing" my emotions, allowing myself to feel the emotion without reacting, I feel:

"I observe myself feeling anger."

Those are two profoundly different experiences. It takes discipline and it's an exercise like any physical exercise you would do it the gym. It doesn't come naturally. It requires practice. It's about mastery over your emotions.

The goal is not to turn off your emotions. The goal is to digest your emotions and let them guide you in a healthy and productive manner.

Regarding women and bitterness, it's normal to feel bitter after a certain amount of experience with women. Whether you got your heart broken, or you're just turned off by their massive sluttiness, or you've been rejected one time too many, whatever. If you react to this bitterness, you hold onto it. If you simply feel the emotion, accept it, observe it, understand the emotion for what it is, you see that it's simply an emotion that will guide you to be more careful. If you feel bitter, it means you got your hopes up, you attached desire to an outcome, and you were let down. Things didn't turn out the way you wanted. It's an impulse of the ego.

So using that emotion in a positive manner, you slow down, don't be so quick to get your hopes up, don't attach desire to an outcome. Remember: women can enhance your life if you're careful and keep your desires in check. Be positive, fun, wild, reckless. The truth is that women are people, and people will let you down. How you react to that is 100% up to you.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-25-2017 07:48 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

"Oh! Sorry!" she said.

Quick as a shot: "I'll have my dollar back, thanks."

Eye contact. She really looked at me now, studying my face with that glint in her eyes. "Oh, you're quick, aren't you?"

Do you see the dance? Non-reactive and detached; keeping emotionally steady when I'm bleeding everywhere; the light teasing of her would-be authority over me; and then outwitting her - even though I was on the edge of conscious at the time.

Of course, she probably thought "If he can outsmart me when he's down for the count, what's he like normally?"

This is the Female Romantic Fantasy Excelsior talked about: a battle of wills that she can never quite win. It's crack to them.

That was the HOOK POINT. She found you likely attractive from the onset, but there are few more of those blokes and zero Game.

If you had been in a seduction-intended interaction - that would have been the point to go for the number or instant date. That is why guys getting numbers and dates during the day works so well - it is the female archetype of "just happened".

Nice story. Hope you are fine.

[PapayaTapper]

(08-25-2017 06:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Dude Vice is a joke come on now.

You really are going to take the observations of a women on game ? Especially on PUA?

Odd's are she got fucked n chucked by a said PUA that's why she WROTE about it.


As far game - it's alive and well players ! It's constantly changing and evolving - but we know this.

Nah...she got pumped and dumped by guys who actually had game and therefore she didn't even know she was being gamed.

She's right though.

It's "lame game" that gets the average try hard chode pegged as a "PUA" douche nozzle.

Thats the irony

Truth be told..at this point in the social evolutionary track...who doesn't have a visceral cringe response at the mere mention of the acronym? If you dont free associate "creep" with "PUA" you likely are one.

[Delta]

Anyone catch these little mentions?

Quote:

As news of their MO spread, even the mayors of Canada's major cities were awakened to the fact that PUAs were card-carrying harassers of women. By 2015, they denounced a visit from Barack Obama, aka Roosh V, a vocal PUA who is known for, amongst other things, having publicly made a case for the legalization of rape.

Of fucking course.

Quote:

And despite Obama's many public embarrassments at the hands of his predilection, his site is still active, this week blaring headlines such remarkable as "Women Are Pathologically Addicted To Flaunting Their Bodies For Sexual Attention," and his forum is running strong. Last week, for example, one user suggested men who are looking to pick up a lady in an elevator might "try leaning in and pressing your hard on against her leg."

So the author screwed up the URL in that link. Here is the correct link to the post she refers to.

Tell me, after viewing it in context, how god damn stupid does one have to be to take that comment seriously (sound familiar)? I can't even fathom what goes on in the socially retarded mind of someone who looks at that post and sees it as a literal suggestion. Yet thousands are people are going to read that line in the Vice article, think to themselves "what a bunch of creeps," and forever have the "icky" tag associated with us in their heads.

Not shocking that this same article also mentions the "rape legalization" nonsense.

[John Michael Kane]

(08-25-2017 04:32 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Do you know any ways to become less bitter as a person, and look inward like you talk about?

The best way to overcome bitterness is find someone who is struggling and try your best to help them. It is impossible to feel bitter when you focus your life on bringing value to others instead of always trying to wallow in your own misery. There's a lot of joy to be had in helping someone else get over the hump.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-26-2017 01:40 AM)Delta Wrote:  

Anyone catch these little mentions?

Quote:

As news of their MO spread, even the mayors of Canada's major cities were awakened to the fact that PUAs were card-carrying harassers of women. By 2015, they denounced a visit from Barack Obama, aka Roosh V, a vocal PUA who is known for, amongst other things, having publicly made a case for the legalization of rape.

Of fucking course.

Quote:

And despite Obama's many public embarrassments at the hands of his predilection, his site is still active, this week blaring headlines such remarkable as "Women Are Pathologically Addicted To Flaunting Their Bodies For Sexual Attention," and his forum is running strong. Last week, for example, one user suggested men who are looking to pick up a lady in an elevator might "try leaning in and pressing your hard on against her leg."

So the author screwed up the URL in that link. Here is the correct link to the post she refers to.

Tell me, after viewing it in context, how god damn stupid does one have to be to take that comment seriously (sound familiar)? I can't even fathom what goes on in the socially retarded mind of someone who looks at that post and sees it as a literal suggestion. Yet thousands are people are going to read that line in the Vice article, think to themselves "what a bunch of creeps," and forever have the "icky" tag associated with us in their heads.

Not shocking that this same article also mentions the "rape legalization" nonsense.

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Obviously it was a joke by Steve McQueen and even it wasn't - what the fuck makes her think that Game is what one keyboard warrior has written somewhere on his sockpuppet accounts?

Anyone can voice pretty much all opinions and in fact Game helps you find out why pressing your hard on towards a woman is not only illegal, but also counter-productive. You can do that kind of thing in a club after you have had a flirty conversation and then she dances in front of you and you are behind her. You don't fucking do that unannounced like a psychopath.

So she picks any kind of comment out of millions all to make the forum and all guys here look bad.

Cunt and mainstream fake news spouting feminist cultural marxist bullshitting slag - she will be pumped and dumped by men and marry her boring provider who she will divorce - if she is even lucky like that and does not end up alone and overdoses on Valium in her shack at age 49 and childless.

The funny part is cupcake - every man you meet who has some Game and is smooth with his words and responses - he may have learned Game from our side of the internet. There is a ton of decent stuff out there. You will keep on wondering forever if he is "one of them". But don't worry butterface - most highly achieving men here would ignore you utterly and would not waste their time approaching you, so you are safe - you are way too unattractive to be worth our time, so you will never become aware of what it is like to be properly seduced. The only blokes who will ever be interested in you are out-of-option cringe-worthy male feminist Betas who you will hate to fuck and at best some beginning newbies who at least will hone their budding Game on you while they claw their way up to women who they really want to fuck.

[Paracelsus]

(08-26-2017 02:26 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

So she picks any kind of comment out of millions all to make the forum and all guys here look bad.

The question being: why do you, or any guy on this forum, give a fuck what a random shorthair thinks of you, or indeed this forum?

You think that the demo of Vice has been reminded that this site and PUAs exist is going to make the slightest bit of difference to any man's success with women on this site or life generally?

Think about the readership of the article. It'll be people who can actually remember as far back as 2009, i.e. the late twenties, early 30s set that isn't getting anywhere near as much sex as it did back in 2009.

Of the women who read it, most won't remember it when and if they are approached by a guy spitting decent Game.

Those who do read it and remember it for the most part will already be shorthairs themselves, for whom the article operates as confirmation bias. It's not like any sane man who applies Game is going to have to resort to seducing a prospect like that anyway.

And men who read it for the most part won't be using Game anyway. They'll be deep within the Matrix and believe it anyway. But the abovementioned shorthairs will be more paranoid of their advances, which is only going to make both the bluepills and the shorthairs more lonely, frustrated, and angry in the long run.

And the last contingent of men, those who read it and come looking for answers in the PUA community ... well, those guys are future members.

Appreciate negative articles from the MSM. They do our recruiting for us.

[AnonymousBosch]

(08-26-2017 01:40 AM)Delta Wrote:  

Yet thousands are people are going to read that line in the Vice article, think to themselves "what a bunch of creeps," and forever have the "icky" tag associated with us in their heads.

Yeah, but they read 'Vice'. Would you care about the opinion of someone who chooses to eat shit? Same thing.

EDIT: Ah, I feel asleep before I hit post. Paracelsus more than beat me to it.

[Prufrock]

(08-25-2017 05:54 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

Was it 2004 when Vice was so edgy that it published on print an article on how to pick up girls?

That piece was written by Gavin McInnes.

The VICE guide to picking up chicks

Gavin VICE and post-Gavin Vice are totally different animals.

Teens thinks Axe body spray is cooler than ESPN, McDonald's, or Vice

[Manystyles]

(08-25-2017 02:06 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 12:03 PM)Manystyles Wrote:  

Why can't people just learn to live and let live?

If you expect people you don't know to live and let live, you are on the wrong forum.

Heads up!

No, I'm definitely on the right forum... This is why feminism pisses me off. Let everybody live how they want to live as long as your not infringing on my way of living. Don't tread on me, basically

I've been saying that for years and probably will say it til the day I die

[Manystyles]

(08-26-2017 07:40 AM)Prufrock Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:54 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

Was it 2004 when Vice was so edgy that it published on print an article on how to pick up girls?

That piece was written by Gavin McInnes.

The VICE guide to picking up chicks

Gavin VICE and post-Gavin Vice are totally different animals.

Teens thinks Axe body spray is cooler than ESPN, McDonald's, or Vice

Yea they are now a neolib/neocon mouthpiece. Rupert Murdock invested 70mil in 2013. Right around when they started making all those ISIS... Anti Russian docs... Fear porn for hipsters

[Blaster]

(08-25-2017 06:49 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game nowadays hasn't changed in terms of passive game, but for active game you gotta be on top of your style and vibe, venues, and ability to make mass approaches.

True, a significant portion of game has always been practical discussions about social rules and expectations for a specific time and place (and how to get away with bending and break those rules). The fundamentals about what women want doesn't change, but for people who need specific advice about what to wear and what to say does change depending on your environment.

Some men have a reasonable grasp of principles of attraction but don't know how to act on those principles in a specific setting, like a bar, club, or party-- or a dating app like Tinder. It's like being athletic and knowing how to hit a baseball, but not knowing the rest of the rules of the game. So they're afraid to approach the batter's box for fear of looking like a fool and doing something stupid and embarrassing.

[Blaster]

(08-25-2017 04:32 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Do you know any ways to become less bitter as a person, and look inward like you talk about?

Cribbing Jordan Peterson

Sort yourself out and get your life in order. Identify meaningful goals and commit yourself to pursuing them. Develop healthy and productive habits that reinforce those goals. If you need help identifying worthwhile goals, look to other people you respect and admire.

Christianity's take is to practice forgiveness. Accept reality for what it is and what you can make of it. Don't dwell on what you wish it could be, just focus on what you can realistically achieve.

Buddhism and Taoism I think go further into meditation, detachment and letting go of all desires. That works as far as bitterness and resentment goes, but not all desires are bad.

[PapayaTapper]

(08-25-2017 04:32 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Do you know any ways to become less bitter as a person, and look inward like you talk about?

I'm glad you asked that. Yes.... Yes I do

Positivity Thread

[Veloce]

(08-26-2017 10:42 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

Buddhism and Taoism I think go further into meditation, detachment and letting go of all desires. That works as far as bitterness and resentment goes, but not all desires are bad.

They identify that desires lead to suffering. There are different levels of desire; basic living needs (food, shelter), sex, ego fulfillment, companionship, and higher desires like spiritual enlightenment. On a philosophical level, the desire for something is proof of its lack.

So it's not about desires being "good" or "bad" but seen more as roadblocks to deeper, inner happiness. The paradox is that deeper happiness does not come from desiring it, which is a contradiction to a classically Western concept: we desire something, we work for it, we attain it. That's our Western mindset.

The deeper happiness I mention is attained by desiring nothingness, of embracing the void. It's nearly impossible to discuss this if you haven't experienced it, and meditation is the only way I know to experience it.