[Manystyles]

Why can't people just learn to live and let live?

I Tried to Find Out if Pick Up Artists Are Still Influential in 2017

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/j55bx...al-in-2017

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[John Michael Kane]

What are they so scared of if game doesn't work? The real fear comes from women being aware that they are susceptible to it and it works. Muh feeelz!

[kaotic]

The Author:

A female who looks like this.



The Location:

A place this forum has talked about at length.

Quote:

Toronto's Queen Street West

The Conclusion:

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

^^^ Her book on Sexual Assault in Canada has an illustration of a hand with the fingers turning into branches and leaves.

It's kind of a cool image if you were a hippy and wanted to look at weird, trippy art, but what the fuck does this have to do with Sexual Assault in Canada?

[Truth Teller]

This seems more like a screed against bad game than anything else. Ignore the talking points and buzzwords and look at what this idiot "coach" is teaching guys to say and do.

[kosko]

OP. Paste some or the article excerpts.

Also, provide some commentary.

[PuppetMaster]

VICE is garbage

[churros]

(08-25-2017 12:54 PM)kosko Wrote:  

OP. Paste some or the article excerpts.

Also, provide some commentary.

And get that fucking smily out of the thread title.

[balybary]

The typist Sarah Ratchford has written an article on her "rape" for vice.

I wonder if she has written the word "rape" each time, or did she use copy/paste?

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jmaw9...asnt-raped

Quote:

After he raped me, I said nothing. We ate pizza in bed and watched Netflix.

After he raped me, I said nothing. We ate pizza in bed and streamed a show. From which site? I can't remember.

After he raped me, I said nothing. Later, we had sex.

After he raped me, I was bleeding.

After he raped me, I was not bleeding.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

It's Vice, duh!

[pheonix500000]

(08-25-2017 12:07 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

What are they so scared of if game doesn't work? The real fear comes from women being aware that they are susceptible to it and it works. Muh feeelz!

Courtesy of Excelsior

(01-10-2013 08:46 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 07:55 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If women want men that are not creepy (ie. want to have sex or at least be friends with them) and game teaches you how to be with women (ie. not creepy). Then isn't game exactly what these people are calling for. Are we not their saviors?

No, because the very act of teaching someone to better approach women is considered "creepy". You're being far too objective here-what you say makes sense logically, but women are not thinking in a strictly logical fashion when they engage in this kind of shaming language. It is their emotions that drive them.

Women want effortless attraction. They want a guy who is very attractive to them without any evidence that he's putting much effort into being that way. They very much value the romanticism of the "it just happened" kind of meeting, the idea that the guy was just there being himself and he was just right and he just happened to want her.

This is why media designed to appeal to women doesn't feature male leads who seem to consciously plan to meet the female characters. Romance/adult novels (read: chick porn) feature extremely attractive men who, more often than not, are just kind of there. There is no attempt to show the development of these men into the very attractive specimens they become, or the mistakes they make in growing and getting there. They just are.

The "Disney Princess" movie models also reads this way, and does much to shape the perception of young women as they grow. The Prince does not game the Princess-he's just there, he's naturally charming, and he wants her. She has no idea how he became a prince or what he goes through to keep that title and maintain his authority, and that stuff rarely features in the story. He's just there and he's perfect for her-The End.

In female fantasy, the ideal male just is. She could care less about the effort it takes for that man to become what he is, as long as he just is.

The fact that many guys put in an effort to build that attraction and become that better man kills the ideal of organic attraction that most women want to maintain. The fact that something like "game" exists at all is even more damaging because it implies that there are some concrete formulas and methods that produce better results than others, killing the notion of "magical love" that they'd much prefer to cling to.

In the end, this all comes down to feelings. Women "feel" uncomfortable with inorganic models of sexual attraction. Game promotes an inorganic model of attraction by telling them that there is a formula that can increase a man's appeal and that a woman can be drawn with practice and perfection of this formula. Therefore, game makes women feel uncomfortable.

"Creepy" is the catch-all label used by women for that which makes them feel uncomfortable. Hence, game is creepy.

Women also do not like the idea of losing control. Girls want the ability to choose winners and losers in the sexual marketplace-this is, in their mind, their prerogative and right.

When those winners (alpha males and guys who are just generally successful with women) and losers (dudes who don't see much sexual success) start gathering on forums likes these in mass and begin discussing and actually codifying how to do things, they begin to undermine that power women would like to keep.

It also becomes harder to tell which guys fit the "effortless attraction" model they idealize and spend most of their youth dreaming about and which guys merely look the part after a lot of effort. Girls would, generally, prefer to be able to make this distinction themselves, separating the more organic "naturals" from the others who had to work at it or are merely putting on a well practiced cover for weaknesses in their game that girls would otherwise readily see.
With "game", men take some of this ability and choice away from them.

To men, this may not seem like a bad thing since men are merely trying to give women more of what they want.

The problem is that women do not want men making this decision and taking things out of their hands. This is a threat to the feminine imperative and a challenge to the romanticized organic model I described above, so women subconsciously shy away from it.

The feminine imperative calls for control over the direction of the sexual marketplace, and male cooperation and focused effort to improve their standing in said marketplace does nothing to help this aim.

The standard response, therefore, is to shame those who participate in those discussions. The term "creepy" is a good way to do that, and it fits since the whole idea makes women uncomfortable as well (creepy = "I don't like the feeling he/it gives me").

Of course, this feminine imperative creates a dilemma for men who try to abide by it. If they put in effort and that effort is seen, that's creepy. If they don't put in effort and they're not naturals (very few men are), they are still creepy. Lose-lose.

This isn't a good place for men to be, but women generally don't care. They simply can't.

[John Michael Kane]

That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

[debeguiled]

(08-25-2017 12:03 PM)Manystyles Wrote:  

Why can't people just learn to live and let live?

If you expect people you don't know to live and let live, you are on the wrong forum.

Heads up!

[Number one bummer]

(08-25-2017 01:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  



That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

I think every female at Vice looks the same. This chick looks like the Vice reporter that followed the crying nazi around at Charlottesville.

[Veloce]

(08-25-2017 01:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  



That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

Nah she gets no pass. I'm tired of meeting chicks post-28 that have been dumped one time too many that are bitter and damaged as shit and nobody calls them out on it because "she's been through hell and back".

Gimme a fucking break. We've all been beat down at one point or another, in varying degrees and frequency. I still pride myself on giving every chick I meet a fair shake, even after years of exposure to the true nature of women and being on this forum, I still approach every girl thinking she might be a good chick and don't assume otherwise until she proves otherwise (which 99.99% of them do)

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

[John Michael Kane]

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 01:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  



That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

Nah she gets no pass. I'm tired of meeting chicks post-28 that have been dumped one time too many that are bitter and damaged as shit and nobody calls them out on it because "she's been through hell and back".

Gimme a fucking break. We've all been beat down at one point or another, in varying degrees and frequency. I still pride myself on giving every chick I meet a fair shake, even after years of exposure to the true nature of women and being on this forum, I still approach every girl thinking she might be a good chick and don't assume otherwise until she proves otherwise (which 99.99% of them do)

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should make apologies for this chick. When I say "sad", I say it in the sense that society as a whole produces such unhappy individuals. If she was brought up in a saner time, she'd grow her hair out, smile and not have that awful arm tat. I would never advocate trying to date a broken woman to "make her whole".

Rather, I see her as a cautionary tale, and yet tragic one at the same time. Being angry at bitter feminists only take the game down to their level. Pity and mockery are long-term strategies to encourage others not to follow her wayward path.

[Veloce]

(08-25-2017 12:07 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

What are they so scared of if game doesn't work? The real fear comes from women being aware that they are susceptible to it and it works. Muh feeelz!

Game is the most powerful tool a man can learn, not just with sex but improving his station in life.

Women/socialists don't want to see anyone get ahead. They just want an even playing field of mediocrity with assets distributed evenly to everyone by the institution.

[Veloce]

(08-25-2017 02:26 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 01:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  



That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

Nah she gets no pass. I'm tired of meeting chicks post-28 that have been dumped one time too many that are bitter and damaged as shit and nobody calls them out on it because "she's been through hell and back".

Gimme a fucking break. We've all been beat down at one point or another, in varying degrees and frequency. I still pride myself on giving every chick I meet a fair shake, even after years of exposure to the true nature of women and being on this forum, I still approach every girl thinking she might be a good chick and don't assume otherwise until she proves otherwise (which 99.99% of them do)

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should make apologies for this chick. When I say "sad", I say it in the sense that society as a whole produces such unhappy individuals. If she was brought up in a saner time, she'd grow her hair out, smile and not have that awful arm tat. I would never advocate trying to date a broken woman to "make her whole".

Rather, I see her as a cautionary tale, and yet tragic one at the same time. Being angry at bitter feminists only take the game down to their level. Pity and mockery are long-term strategies to encourage others not to follow her wayward path.

Mockery and shaming is the only way. I don't believe women are any happier/unhappier in 2017 than any other time period, no matter what any statistic says. I don't think women have any inherent understanding of what true happiness is. Happiness, the way I understand it, is an inherently masculine trait; a feeling of completeness, satisfaction, solid-ness; being unflappable.

Happiness for a woman means being constrained, controlled, dictated to, or otherwise guided. Without structure they are miserable; what you see in 2017 is an entire generation that got away with the shit-test without anyone putting them in their place. How many women have you heard say, "I want a guy that calls me on my shit." That's happiness to them. The only difference between now and "saner times" is that in saner times women were repeatedly called on their shit, and given strict guidance through social mores and the threat of shaming/mockery.

[Number one bummer]

I like how out of the entire forum the author quoted this thread.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(08-25-2017 02:33 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

what you see in 2017 is an entire generation that got away with the shit-test without anyone putting them in their place.

This is why I don't believe in trying to pass shit tests. Even ignoring a shit test knowing or believing that you'll pass, even that is trying to pass. The only ways to respond is with scolding or spanking (if she's your girlfriend or wife), or walking away (if she's nobody).

At the end of the day the only thing that matters is if she meets your standards. And too much shit testing constitutes a failure on the female's part. These females need to remember, judgment works both ways. By shit testing, she's making a certain impression, and if she does it too much, she's the one that fails.

[Captain Gh]

I would strongly advice to anyone that's not fully confident with their level of Game to steer clear of any Bitch that looks like this; especially in Toronto! Remember that face like Mr. Jason Borne aka Michael Kane advised. I would personally only mess with a Bitch like this through CL and nothing else. I would advice any species alive (even you potential aliens) to not Daygame that Bitch. Rape case in waiting!

[kosko]

(08-25-2017 01:49 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  



That is the face of a damaged soul. You can see the hurt in those dead eyes. That is one angry, hurting little girl deep inside. Really, it is rather sad.

Quote:

My Breakup Pixie Cut Was About More than Broken Hearts {LINK}

Sarah Ratchford thought appearance had long stopped being a core part of identity—until a dramatic chop changed everything

Ugly little boy

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Game is not dead. It has evolved and there is no stupid lingo and furry hats.

But it is all alive and well and quite a few men are doing good work. Even bloody RSD has evolved and I have heard that their seminars have become better.

Nowadays the only discerning factor of young men is to find a good source, a good teacher and not one of those half-inept scammers or semi-competent blokes out there. But mark my words - the art of seduction and relationship management in a male-female dichotomy of psychology will become a university field one day. Who knows - maybe it will be taught naturally to everyone in school one day.

But that time is a long way off - Excelsior's post is spot on. The women are like in the 50Shades novel - they don't care that the man needs to learn Game, needs to hone his body and needs to earn the billions forsaking dates and travels with his girl. They don't care how money is made or how man learn to be charismatic - they want him just to be - similarly how they just are. Most women don't need to overeat, grow their hair out and do some makeup and they are done - they are then either a 9 or a 5 based on what nature has given them. And of course this should work 100% the same with men thus the stupid tips like "be yourself".

[King of Monkeys]

(08-25-2017 02:19 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Bitterness is a killer in men and women. If you ever find yourself feeling bitter, you need to turn some serious attention inward, not outward.

Do you know any ways to become less bitter as a person, and look inward like you talk about?

[Bill Brasky]

I met a Mexican chick that works for Vice here in DF. She's actually pretty nice but I can see that there's a devilish, raging SJW that's just waiting to go into psychotic rage when an Un-PC thing is said.