[Dalaran1991]

(09-21-2017 09:54 AM)mensch Wrote:  

Paris is a beautiful city with plenty of art to see. The centre of western civilisation and culture for a very long time indeed. The freedom you feel in the city is amazing, and seeing north africans and middle eastern girls partying in Paris makes me proud of western culture and what it affords us all. 10/10

So seeing the center of western civilization filled with north africans and middle easterns makes you proud? Coming from the guy who just started a thread on how the end of the European nation state is a good thing?

Where have I heard this before? Oh that's right, every single one of my colleages who says: "yeah Paris stinks because of all those Arabs but I still vote extreme left because that's what makes France great"



This is why it's so pathetic to argue with most French and German because they hide their cuck fetish behind the mask of "civilization". Must be really proud smelling piss and listening to guttural African/Arabs tongues from your 2k euros / month apartment window near the Bastille. Enjoy your freedom when going shopping you see dozens of guards with assault rifles and getting sandwiched among foul smelling subhumans in the metro.

Every cm of the Notre Dame is a piece of art, as is the Opera House and other places, but it would be a lot more enjoyable if the neighborhood doesn't stink of piss. The nearby statue of Charlemagne must be weeping tear because everyday the Emperor is surrounded by filthy infidels and Chinese with selfie sticks.

[mensch]

(09-21-2017 10:34 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 09:54 AM)mensch Wrote:  

Paris is a beautiful city with plenty of art to see. The centre of western civilisation and culture for a very long time indeed. The freedom you feel in the city is amazing, and seeing north africans and middle eastern girls partying in Paris makes me proud of western culture and what it affords us all. 10/10

So seeing the center of western civilization filled with north africans and middle easterns makes you proud? Coming from the guy who just started a thread on how the end of the European nation state is a good thing?

Where have I heard this before? Oh that's right, every single one of my colleages who says: "yeah Paris stinks because of all those Arabs but I still vote extreme left because that's what makes France great"



This is why it's so pathetic to argue with most French and German because they hide their cuck fetish behind the mask of "civilization". Must be really proud smelling piss and listening to guttural African/Arabs tongues from your 2k euros / month apartment window near the Bastille. Enjoy your freedom when going shopping you see dozens of guards with assault rifles and getting sandwiched among foul smelling subhumans in the metro.

Every cm of the Notre Dame is a piece of art, as is the Opera House and other places, but it would be a lot more enjoyable if the neighborhood doesn't stink of piss. The nearby statue of Charlemagne must be weeping tear because everyday the Emperor is surrounded by filthy infidels and Chinese with selfie sticks.

Yeah, I see the westernisation of uncouth Moslems as a good thing. I think that even some half Armenian half Iranian people (wink wink) can be good for the West if they culturally westernise, despite their racial features. That's the point: seeing middle eastern women with a French accent in mini-skirts makes me proud. Seeing hijab on the streets and good-for-nothing immigrants makes me puke.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Nothing against the Chinese with selfie-sticks. They are not raping anybody. Let them have camera-mini-drones - they bring cash into the city.

[zatara]

Lots of Arab and Persian girls are hot. The atheist/agnostic ones that wear miniskirts, drink alcohol, and put out are great fun. Its just their fundamentalist religious brethren that are the problem.

[Roosh]

(09-21-2017 09:54 AM)mensch Wrote:  

Paris is a beautiful city with plenty of art to see. The centre of western civilisation and culture for a very long time indeed. The freedom you feel in the city is amazing, and seeing north africans and middle eastern girls partying in Paris makes me proud of western culture and what it affords us all. 10/10

[MrRoundtree]

I love Paris. It's an amazing city when you've got a crew to get going and you know where to eat and where to go out. It's impossible to get bored.

Endless supply of girls to game. However it's true that there's a lot of shady characters but they are mostly concentrated in the suburbs.

[LoveBug]

@mensch - It makes you proud as, I'm guessing, a half European/half Brazilian (I'm guessing the Brazilian part of you is non white). So being half white you might think it's cool to see the mixing of these European nations to resemble your background

A lot of white folks feel different We'd like the countries to retain their same ethnic culture and population.

[PecsPerfection]

I'm gonna have to disagree with y'all europeans here, and this is all from personal experiences!

Europe safer than the US? are you kidding me? OP clearly would visit Paris as a tourist, let me say this the US is much much much safer than Europe (or atleast major cities I've visited it myself) FOR TOURISTS.

in Europe, tourists are constantly mugged and harassed by north africans and AFRICAN arabs, and they get ZERO help from locals or cops. I live in one of the southern states, never ever heard of tourists (tho there are not many of em here) get harassed or mugged, and even in the rare occasion it might happen, guess what? locals won't stand still and will beat up that criminal, if not, cops will help you!

NYC? been there twice, felt safer than all European cities I've been to and I stuck to the touristy spots

North carolina crime rate? gangs killing each other shouldn't be any of your concerns as a tourist or even peaceful resident, they won't target you and don't even care to

guess what? Manila is much safer then Europe, atleast you know cops there will do whatever it takes so tourist feel safe


I know most europeans here hate arabs and muslims and I DONT blame them, in fact they should blame their cops and governments for letting the shittiest of arabs into their countries AND let them do whatever the fuck they wanna do with no punishment whatsoever. I mean you clearly see those criminals on the streets and they are not doing anything about it. BLAME YOUR GOVERNMENTS for ruining your own countries

on a related note, I've been to Dubai & Qatar, safer then the US and Europe! but they're muslims and arabs? because they're the real arabs and muslims, not the ones you allowed into your countries

** I enjoy traveling and spend most of my travels in Europe, but as a tourist I feel safer in other places. Should I or the OP not go to Europe? I never said that, I love Europe and the women there, but I'd advise anyone trying to visit a major city to watch their back and be careful where to stay and where to go. Feel free to disagree, those were my personal experiences

[oss_117]

(09-21-2017 07:32 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

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Paris is always a beautiful city, but most of it is no longer Paris anymore. You actually need to know where to go to find nice café terrasse, good food, street music, and with classy French people.

Can you recommend some 'good areas' and also some areas to maybe avoid?

[Marcus187]

I visited Paris in the 90s as a kid and I thought it was one of the best cities in Europe. Last summer I was in Paris for a few days and oh boy, how much the city has changed.

What I noticed:

- Dirt, filth and buildings that are not maintained
- Fucking gypsies who block your way on the road and are just annoying as fuck
- A SHITLOAD of Sub-Saharan Africans, North Africans and Muslims

The general atmosphere was not very pleasant. There are parts of Paris where you will hardly find any native French people. You will see mostly Africans and Muslims walking in traditional clothes or hanging on the street doing nothing. Oh and Africans who just sleep on a busy street, probably "refugees".

This video gives a good impression, although there are parts of Paris that are much worse

[Curunír]

Since the question is if Paris is worth a visit , implying the OP has never been there , then yes of course everyone should see Paris once.

It's not because the west is declining or going down the drain depending on whom you ask that one should not see the great cities of this world : London , NYC, Paris,
Rome , Moscow and I will even throw in Berlin and Amsterdam in here.

Paris has amazing food, beautiful architecture and hot women.

A lot of shitty hotels chose wisely.

[NextStop100]

(10-05-2017 08:09 AM)Curunír Wrote:  

Since the question is if Paris is worth a visit , implying the OP has never been there , then yes of course everyone should see Paris once.

It's not because the west is declining or going down the drain depending on whom you ask that one should not see the great cities of this world : London , NYC, Paris,
Rome , Moscow and I will even throw in Berlin and Amsterdam in here.

Paris has amazing food, beautiful architecture and hot women.

A lot of shitty hotels chose wisely.

What area would you recommend staying in?

[MrRoundtree]

Le 11ème is nice near Bastille. Can get ratchet on one certain street. You are also pretty close to Wanderlust/ Nuba which are top.

Quartier Latin, more student bars

Pigalle area, lot of irish/brits as itx near Montmartre but fun nights sometimes..depends where you go

Champs Èlysées is only nice for Rasputin club..

Denfert Rochereau only for the Cafe Oz there..its worth it.

St-Germain for high end tourists and french people but less of a club areas...more parisians chatty mood.

[casa-nostra]

(11-06-2017 03:50 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Le 11ème is nice near Bastille. Can get ratchet on one certain street. You are also pretty close to Wanderlust/ Nuba which are top.

Quartier Latin, more student bars

Pigalle area, lot of irish/brits as itx near Montmartre but fun nights sometimes..depends where you go

Champs Èlysées is only nice for Rasputin club..

Denfert Rochereau only for the Cafe Oz there..its worth it.

St-Germain for high end tourists and french people but less of a club areas...more parisians chatty mood.

I also recommand bastille , full of bars and pubs/clubs , easier to enter without girls, you have to know that clubs in paris are not like North America , mostly hard to enter if you are just mens.

i was living close to wanderlust but didnt like that place , it is more electro vibe , harder to approch girls IMHO. hard to enter without girls.

Hit up Corcoan's irish pub at bastille early and you will be fine , people enter and leave this place until 3-4 am . so always new girls. you have to go early , like before 10PM to garentee enterance if you dont have girls with you.

[Easy_C]

"Tree fer one Euro!"

If you've been there, you know exactly what I'm referring to.

[NextStop100]

For a guy mid 20s, experienced (100+ bangs) but speaks no French. Which would you recommend? Quartier Latin or Bastille?

[kirdiesel]

FWIW I just came back from 3-4 days in Paris just doing some sightseeing.. walking in the malls and whatnot.. no gaming since I am on a game break at the moment and I did not see even one brother with a dime piece on his arm.

Its Paris so theres gotta be quality lurking around but I really didn't see THAT many hot girls around. I also went to a couple of local french restaurants and while i saw many WB girls I did not see many stunners. This also reflects what I saw in Lille, France.

IMO While French girls may be thin German girls are better looking.

[casa-nostra]

(11-07-2017 04:27 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

For a guy mid 20s, experienced (100+ bangs) but speaks no French. Which would you recommend? Quartier Latin or Bastille?

Bastille (Corcorans irish pub as i said ) Go early if you dont have girls with you

[UnW]

If you've never been before then sure, go for it, but if you've been there before then probably not, every time I go back to Paris it seems worse than the time I visited before it.

[TooFineAPoint]

To OP:
It is totally still worth visiting.

Don't let the absolutely invaluable reporting by the forum members (of the bad stuff) become your entire reality.

Get out and see it yourself. Is it less safe and clean than 10 years ago, sure. It's still awesome.

Probably safer to visit now than in May '68.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I was there in August 2016 and January 2017. I stayed in the Marais the first time on Rue de Rivoli, and in the Latin Quarter the second. I walked everywhere, and did the usual tourist locations. Saw many beautiful girls, some extraordinary. Talked with a number of people, but no luck gaming women. I didn't find it that expensive.

I loved it. I studied French in high school, and know something of French history, art history and the like. This city is thick with culture. I went to a number of bars in the evening with live music, both American style rock, and more typical French jazz or cabaret style music. I told myself I would move to Paris and become a musician and an artist.

Both times I drove to the city and parked while I was there. It's a difficult city to drive in. When I was driving through the neighborhoods coming into and out of the city, they were packed with filthy people. You could see the original French architecture, but the buildings looked run down, and the crowds of filthy people along every sidewalk and spilling out to block traffic made these places look like no go zones to me.

I would say to stick to the most well know touristy areas, and it should be mostly alright. I walked around until late at night with no problems in those areas.

I would say that I think it will only get worse, and unless the French decide to take the city back, it will be ruined in not too many more years. The French seem determined on their course of cultural suicide. They think they will make all of these immigrants French, but instead, the immigrants are making France third world.

My advice is to go while it still holds some remnant of what it once was. I loved it, and I will go again. However, the rot everybody speaks of will be very obvious once you see it first hand.

[JohnQPublic]

(11-12-2017 09:53 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

I was there in August 2016 and January 2017. I stayed in the Marais the first time on Rue de Rivoli, and in the Latin Quarter the second. I walked everywhere, and did the usual tourist locations. Saw many beautiful girls, some extraordinary. Talked with a number of people, but no luck gaming women. I didn't find it that expensive.

I loved it. I studied French in high school, and know something of French history, art history and the like. This city is thick with culture. I went to a number of bars in the evening with live music, both American style rock, and more typical French jazz or cabaret style music. I told myself I would move to Paris and become a musician and an artist.

Both times I drove to the city and parked while I was there. It's a difficult city to drive in. When I was driving through the neighborhoods coming into and out of the city, they were packed with filthy people. You could see the original French architecture, but the buildings looked run down, and the crowds of filthy people along every sidewalk and spilling out to block traffic made these places look like no go zones to me.

I would say to stick to the most well know touristy areas, and it should be mostly alright. I walked around until late at night with no problems in those areas.

I would say that I think it will only get worse, and unless the French decide to take the city back, it will be ruined in not too many more years. The French seem determined on their course of cultural suicide. They think they will make all of these immigrants French, but instead, the immigrants are making France third world.

My advice is to go while it still holds some remnant of what it once was. I loved it, and I will go again. However, the rot everybody speaks of will be very obvious once you see it first hand.

If you go to Paris and try to save money, you'll see everything that people here are complaining about. It's true that the immigrant population has grown a lot, but they are heavily concentrated in a few areas. in some other areas you almost never see them. I spent a year there after college studying French and have spent a lot of time there since, so I know the city pretty well. All of the areas people are recommending here (Bastille, Champs-Elysees, Republique,...) are the cheaper areas where you're likely to see lots of Arabs and Africans and where gaming will be tough. But even there, if you get away from the main drags, the French girls you find are the more adventurous types and easier to game.

The alternative is to stay in a more upscale area (you'll save taxi/uber money anyway when you go out). Areas like Chatelet, Montmartre, Champs-Elysees, Bastille can be OK if you know where to go or get lucky, but if you don't want to see Arabs and Africans, avoid these places. Those are just a tiny part of Paris, so you could be much better off just picking a random neighborhood and hitting cafes, talking to solo girls and getting them to take you somewhere or to tell you where to go. Also hit the big parks in the daytime. From the well known tourist destinations, only the Left Bank (including Saint Germain) and the Marais are really go-to places. Places that, have hotter girls, a lot less tourists and in some cases people have lots more money are the 5,6,7,8,14,15,16 districts. When there are well-known tourist places in those areas, they aren't where you want to be, but as soon as you get one Metro stop away, things change. Lots of non-French girls who don't feel safe are trying to live in these areas too. My strategy in Paris is always just find a street with lots of cafes, cruise by them til you see some solo girls (ideally one alone who is already eating, drinking - so she's not waiting for a guy) and start talking. Learned it from a Canadian guy who was doing it one of the first times i was there visiting.

[Lino]

Regarding 7, 14, 15 and 16, maybe for an anglosaxon tourist it’s good as you might feel safer but for picking up chicks the places mentioned in other posts are definitely better.

To be honest these are among the most boring arrondissements in Paris, except maybe rue d’Alesia in the 14eme Arrdt which is a famous shopping street. 14 is an arrdt where well off white families like to live, same for 15 but you find a bit more single white collars in 15. 16 is where really rich people live, you also find them in neighborhoods in the west outside Paris like Auteuil and Neuilly.

One paradox is that you also find broke students living in 16eme, they rent rooms which in the last century were occupied by maids serving rich families, now they converted them into rooms or small studios.

Also champs Elysées is not cheap, you may see ghetto guys walking there because avenue des champs Elysées is famous and these guys also want to enjoy Paris and feel they are parisian by walking there. Just walk in the streets around and you won’t see them anymore. I never hang out there, not my crowd.

French women are WAY more open to seduction than anglo saxon chicks, you won’t be considered as a pervert if you stare at her for few seconds then go engage a conversation, as long as you have your shit together.

[JohnQPublic]

(05-14-2018 05:14 PM)Lino Wrote:  

Regarding 7, 14, 15 and 16, maybe for an anglosaxon tourist it’s good as you might feel safer but for picking up chicks the places mentioned in other posts are definitely better.

To be honest these are among the most boring arrondissements in Paris, except maybe rue d’Alesia in the 14eme Arrdt which is a famous shopping street. 14 is an arrdt where well off white families like to live, same for 15 but you find a bit more single white collars in 15. 16 is where really rich people live, you also find them in neighborhoods in the west outside Paris like Auteuil and Neuilly.

Well you are definitely French. I was mostly responding to people complaining about immigrants. Whether or not you can pick up in the wealthier districts depends on you. Guys who can rock some style will do great as will Americans/Brits with those rich girls who like to travel. One thing that really struck me about French guys is that they will not dress out of their "station" in life. So if you are a bobo-cool and won't sport anything else, you definitely will do less well in those areas than the more working class/immigrant areas.

(05-14-2018 05:14 PM)Lino Wrote:  

French women are WAY more open to seduction than anglo saxon chicks, you won’t be considered as a pervert if you stare at her for few seconds then go engage a conversation, as long as you have your shit together.

Guess I need more training in French seduction techniques!

[Lino]

(05-14-2018 05:35 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 05:14 PM)Lino Wrote:  

Regarding 7, 14, 15 and 16, maybe for an anglosaxon tourist it’s good as you might feel safer but for picking up chicks the places mentioned in other posts are definitely better.

To be honest these are among the most boring arrondissements in Paris, except maybe rue d’Alesia in the 14eme Arrdt which is a famous shopping street. 14 is an arrdt where well off white families like to live, same for 15 but you find a bit more single white collars in 15. 16 is where really rich people live, you also find them in neighborhoods in the west outside Paris like Auteuil and Neuilly.

Well you are definitely French. I was mostly responding to people complaining about immigrants. Whether or not you can pick up in the wealthier districts depends on you. Guys who can rock some style will do great as will Americans/Brits with those rich girls who like to travel. One thing that really struck me about French guys is that they will not dress out of their "station" in life. So if you are a bobo-cool and won't sport anything else, you definitely will do less well in those areas than the more working class/immigrant areas.

(05-14-2018 05:14 PM)Lino Wrote:  

French women are WAY more open to seduction than anglo saxon chicks, you won’t be considered as a pervert if you stare at her for few seconds then go engage a conversation, as long as you have your shit together.

Guess I need more training in French seduction techniques!

I am just giving information as a guy born in Paris, don’t feel attacked.

Yes in Paris you can pick up everywhere and that’s the beauty of this city, if you re read my post you’ll see that I said the hoods you mentioned are boring and that other places mentioned before are better to pick up, I didn’t say you can’t pick up there.

And yes parisian guys don’t often dress up, why? Simply because we don’t need to be suited up or to blow cash to pick up chicks. I just came back from 2 years in London where chicks are gold diggers and men do their best to show external signs of material success.
You don’t need this in Paris. Doesnt mean guys are dressed like hoboes, they have a certain sense of fashion, just not the stuck up blazer/button up shirt.
In Paris women care more about your charisma, openness and coolness, as opposed to London where the girl will first ask you what you do in life.

Social class isn’t as important in Paris as in London, people who go out think about having fun, if there is a cool bar in Republique or Bastille then people will go there. Seeing some immigrants in Champs Elysées or in Bastille doesnt mean these hoods are for working class or immigrants.

Ps: continue sharing your observations and please don’t feel attacked by my remarks, foreigners always have a different perspective from locals and that’s interesting.