[rapaz12]

I don't think he did anything wrong telling her to get the tip. She asked so that's on her. I'm not going to let a person make me feel guilty for something petty when I've done a good job treating them already.

[Jetset]

This is a three page discussion over spending two dollars to secure the bang.

[crdr]

(08-07-2017 11:31 AM)rapaz12 Wrote:  

I don't think he did anything wrong telling her to get the tip. She asked so that's on her. I'm not going to let a person make me feel guilty for something petty when I've done a good job treating them already.

Did he get laid? No.
When he re-tried the connection he got blown off.
He played himself.

All OP needs is people telling him he did right when he struck out.
Game is binary. You get laid or you don't.
You would be surprised how many Major League Athletes are stuck with $400 date bills and its a 50/50 if they get laid or not. It's apart of the game.

If you have a job, paying for a tip ain't no thing. This is becoming a thing now. I blame Tinder. All I learned from this thread that the difference of getting laid and not getting laid may be between paying $20 and 22.50. Comedy at its finest. Yes, this thread is very petty.

[Player_1337]

(08-07-2017 12:16 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

You don't want to be taken advantage of which is logical. But by ensuring the dates are always on your terms and proper (no restaurants or expensive places before a bang), you shouldn't have to worry about this.

I follow the same advice. I set the logistics- and typically pay for everything if the meet goes well and I like the girl. If it's a trainwreck of an interaction, she's a bitch or I strongly doubt I'll be able to get her out again I go 50/50 on the bill.

[jackflag]

(08-07-2017 06:39 AM)bruce_almighty Wrote:  

Update: whatsapped her, offered her a second date.
she replied after a day (demonstrating she'd given it thought) and said it doesn't feel like the right thing for her to do.

I gave it a shot.
Neither of us considered the other for a relationship as we're both gonna travel soon and go our separate ways.

Fuck her. You're probably better for it. On to the next one.

[realologist]

People really take the no appetizers, no drinks, no tip, no anything spending on a girl way too serious. None of those are hard fast rules. You should use social intelligence and intuition on when to and not to pay.

All you did was let your pride win you the tip battle to ultimately lose the fuck war.

[Jetset]

(08-07-2017 03:47 PM)realologist Wrote:  

All you did was let your pride win you the tip battle to ultimately lose the fuck war.

Just splendid.

[Aventus]

Cultural differences should be taken into account. I think - and I might be wrong, that you were dreading the date and only looking for the bang as opposed to genuinely enjoying your time with a woman you find attractive. I've found myself in similar positions. Not jacking off helps combat this

I don't ever pay for tinder dates when it comes to the first date but this is in America where most girls on tinder fall into a certain category

[jackflag]

Not everyone thinks the possibility of pussy is the point to life and should determine every facet of every interaction. I'm totally okay with taking a girl at face value that she's willing to put in the $2.50 tip on a nice dinner. Because 99% of the time, she actually is, and isn't trying to puppet master you into a dating etiquette pop quiz like a fucking lunatic. Controversial, I know.

If that costs a bang? Cool. Have a good one. Hopefully, and I think he does, the OP feels the same way.

Don't sweat it man. I'm sure she's already old news and you're on to the next one.

[rapaz12]

^^ Exactly. If she didn't ask, I would've paid everything without a second thought. If she did, I would've told her to handle the tip just as the OP did.

[birthday cat]

In my opinion game goes deeper than some guys realize. It's easy to look at this and say "obviously he should have paid the tip" because you are looking at the surface of what's happening and probably skimming through the thread before commenting.

The girl turned the tip into a hardcore shit test. What's the probability that she would have come up with a different shit test later in the date if he paid the tip? I think it is greater than 99% so we are back to where we started.

This thread might not seem useful to some people but I think it's a very good example of what it's like to date a girl who is a little above your value. It's like walking on a tightrope. There is very little margin for error.

(08-07-2017 06:26 AM)jackflag Wrote:  

...
I'm aware most women shit test periodically throughout a relationship. I've been with some. But most didn't immediately perform a nuclear shit test and then instantly berate me for failing. And then throw a lecture on proper dating etiquette in for good measure. There are lots of women who would think absolutely nothing of contributing a measly tip to the dinner tab. Or genuinely, graciously, and un-dramatically appreciating the OP picking it all up and deciding to pay him back later... in more ways than one.

Something about the way she went about this rubs me the wrong way in a fashion other shit-tests haven't. Just so gratuitous and self-sabotaging. Over 2 dollars and fifty fucking cents. By all accounts the date was going good up until then. This girl feeling the need to derail the entire night's vibe to personally re-program his wires is a GIGANTIC red flag.
...

This was an excellent comment and I agree with everything although I still think this behavior is common among 8s and above. I think it shows an example of why so many game guys say they would go for 7s for serious relationships and marriage because the 8s come with too much baggage.

[realologist]

(08-07-2017 06:09 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

In my opinion game goes deeper than some guys realize. It's easy to look at this and say "obviously he should have paid the tip" because you are looking at the surface of what's happening and probably skimming through the thread before commenting.

The girl turned the tip into a hardcore shit test. What's the probability that she would have come up with a different shit test later in the date if he paid the tip? I think it is greater than 99% so we are back to where we started.

This thread might not seem useful to some people but I think it's a very good example of what it's like to date a girl who is a little above your value. It's like walking on a tightrope. There is very little margin for error.

Girls only date above their value. If they are dating you it's because they think and feel you are better than them.

[jackflag]

(08-07-2017 06:09 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The girl turned the tip into a hardcore shit test. What's the probability that she would have come up with a different shit test later in the date if he paid the tip? I think it is greater than 99% so we are back to where we started.

It's 100%.

And like I mentioned earlier, this interaction proved nothing she says can be taken at face value. I don't agree at all with the posters who have said him just paying the tip would have secured him the lay. Maybe, maybe not. But from what we know about this lunatic, there's a good chance this could have happened at the end of the night:

Lunatic: I had good time
OP: Me too
Lunatic: Do you want maybe come up for drink?
OP: That would be lovely
Lunatic: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? ARE YOU JUST PLAYER? I AM GOOD GIRL, NOT WHORE! AS MAN YOU SHOULD BE GENTLEMAN AND WAIT. GO HOME NOW AND STUDY FOR NEXT EXAM

No thanks. Fuck off and take your $2.50 pussy with you.

[bruce_almighty]

(08-07-2017 06:51 PM)jackflag Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 06:09 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The girl turned the tip into a hardcore shit test. What's the probability that she would have come up with a different shit test later in the date if he paid the tip? I think it is greater than 99% so we are back to where we started.

It's 100%.

And like I mentioned earlier, this interaction proved nothing she says can be taken at face value. I don't agree at all with the posters who have said him just paying the tip would have secured him the lay. Maybe, maybe not. But from what we know about this lunatic, there's a good chance this could have happened at the end of the night:

Lunatic: I had good time
OP: Me too
Lunatic: Do you want maybe come up for drink?
OP: That would be lovely
Lunatic: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? ARE YOU JUST PLAYER? I AM GOOD GIRL, NOT WHORE! AS MAN YOU SHOULD BE GENTLEMAN AND WAIT. GO HOME NOW AND STUDY FOR NEXT EXAM

No thanks. Fuck off and take your $2.50 pussy with you.

I couldn't agree more.

What pissed me off though, more than the fact she had the nerves to call me out, is that I probably missed previous warning signs prior to the date which could have warned me she's putting me on the provider spot or just treating me as if she's better. The minute she called me out on the tip thing I exploded as all of this became suddenly clear.

She canceled a previous date at the last minute (red flag) but did it after calling me on the phone and apologizing and setting the next date which did happen.

Our conversation before the date spanned over almost 1.5 months and did not go sexual... because we were busy, but there were spontaneous opportunities to meet.

I'm not good at text game and I only set the logistics, but since with this one it spanned over so much time, I guess some good text game could have helped me figure out where I stand prior to a meeting.

[Jetset]

(08-08-2017 02:09 AM)bruce_almighty Wrote:  

Our conversation before the date spanned over almost 1.5 months and did not go sexual... because we were busy, but there were spontaneous opportunities to meet.

Six weeks, and not once did the subject turn to you sucking on them tittays?

I'm starting to see how this all played out.

[birthday cat]

(08-07-2017 06:40 PM)realologist Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 06:09 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

In my opinion game goes deeper than some guys realize. It's easy to look at this and say "obviously he should have paid the tip" because you are looking at the surface of what's happening and probably skimming through the thread before commenting.

The girl turned the tip into a hardcore shit test. What's the probability that she would have come up with a different shit test later in the date if he paid the tip? I think it is greater than 99% so we are back to where we started.

This thread might not seem useful to some people but I think it's a very good example of what it's like to date a girl who is a little above your value. It's like walking on a tightrope. There is very little margin for error.

Girls only date above their value. If they are dating you it's because they think and feel you are better than them.

In my opinion girls usually date above their value, but not always. There is more to women's choices than hypergamy.

However, I agree that if you are dating a girl who is a little above your value then it is probably because she thinks you are above her value. In that case, I can't emphasize enough that there is very little margin for error.

[The Stronger Sex]

Would it be inappropriate to crack Jewish jokes?