[kosko]

Previous generations ate like crap, yea, but the quality of food was much better.

Little nutrition in our food with less minerals and vitamins. Apparently on traditional kids breakfast cereal for examplexample a study found that the cardboard had more nutritional value than the cereal itself.

Back in the day you went to the butcher and it was all natural meats. Natural pork suasage with natural casings, grass and hay fed needed that was naturally aged dry. Non GMO vegetables. Famlies used to also spend much more money on food. The cheapo prices when converted and taken within context of incomes of the time, your typical American family spent nearly double in food the average American does today.

Food in this modern age is pure shit. The only advancement is that calories have become so cheap that is extremely difficult to starve to death here in the west. You can consume dirty and cheap calories for pennies to keep you alive.

[vegasjohnny]

Controversial notion but couldn't the low t, low sperm epidemic be a physical symptom to a psychological issue?

The modern Western man is depressed, takes little risk, and is generally speaking....a pussy.

Why would your body produce T In those conditions?

[Surreyman]

(07-26-2017 11:25 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  


High alcohol consumption.

I'd like to see your evidence that 1917 men drank less than today.

[Que enspastic]

Lack of Game Meats and Oils.

No Ocean.

DeepSoy and Applebees.

[Gambler]

So low sperm count means you can't get a bitch pregnant?!

Time to go RAWDOG!

[Samseau]

(07-27-2017 02:08 PM)Gambler Wrote:  

So low sperm count means you can't get a bitch pregnant?!

Time to go RAWDOG!

Funny, but remember now: men getting laid aren't the ones with low T. It's all the incels and degenerates that are at risk of losing their balls.

[Teutatis]

(07-26-2017 06:47 PM)vegasjohnny Wrote:  

Controversial notion but couldn't the low t, low sperm epidemic be a physical symptom to a psychological issue?

The modern Western man is depressed, takes little risk, and is generally speaking....a pussy.

Why would your body produce T In those conditions?

Is low T the result of those psychological issues or are those issues the result of low T? Maybe a combination of both? A causes B, which causes A, which causes B, and so on?

[PapayaTapper]

(07-25-2017 08:22 PM)zoom Wrote:  

It's not hard at all to see why. Wifi, smartphones, tables, smart meters, processed foods, more plastic, among others.

It's hard to avoid all the bad stuff, so pretty soon most guys will be shining lasers on their balls. https://redlightman.com/blog/red-light-t...-function/

[vegasjohnny]

(07-27-2017 07:27 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 06:47 PM)vegasjohnny Wrote:  

Controversial notion but couldn't the low t, low sperm epidemic be a physical symptom to a psychological issue?

The modern Western man is depressed, takes little risk, and is generally speaking....a pussy.

Why would your body produce T In those conditions?

Is low T the result of those psychological issues or are those issues the result of low T? Maybe a combination of both? A causes B, which causes A, which causes B, and so on?

It's a good question. Where does that feedback loop begin and/or end?

I think in the near future science will source MOST physical maladies to an unhealthy state of mind.

For instance, the weakling who says "I'm so weak" is weak because he believes it in his mind.

A man of the same stature, muscularity, and CNS efficiency can much stronger because he believes otherwise.

There's plenty of reports of insane people in asylums performing absurd feats of strength because their minds are free of such constraints.

[RatInTheWoods]

Probably mother nature compensating for the plague of humans.

[Kid Twist]

(07-26-2017 12:13 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No One Talks about This

What the Fuck even is a Low Sperm Count?

I Refuse to Look it Up

(07-26-2017 12:41 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Who actually counts sperm? How does one count sperm? They must have microscopic sperm counting machines.

A sample is taken and put under microscope. Reference data empirically taken and averaged by studies before creates the standard. The sperm are counted and graded in terms of HPF (high powered field) or a chamber grading with counting of the numbers broken down into squares of the field, and subsequently multiplied.

Normal volume is 2-6 mL and normal count is over 20 million.

There's a quick answer for you.

[CynicalContrarian]

Don't know about sperm count as such.
Yet I do have some figures for testosterone that I find interesting.

Feb'16 blood test, just prior to my first (& only) amateur kickboxing bout. T = 16 nmol/L.
Lots of cardio, lots of kickboxing training prior.

Feb'17 blood test, after a years worth of more "strength & conditioning" / weight based training. T = 20 nmol/L.


In general I avoid food / beverage plastic packaging & soy as much as possible.
& I don't shy away from animal fat.
Plus I simply prefer the taste & texture of 'organic' / 'grass fed' / 'free range' products over more mass produced products.
Also supplement readily with D3, magnesium, zinc & now with fulvic minerals :
https://www.onnit.com/fulvic-minerals/

Granted I'd need to do a few more blood tests to determine a definite baseline for my T levels.
Yet I've generally felt more vigorous since switching to a "strength & conditioning" exercise format while also putting on ~10kgs of mass.

[wi30]

(07-26-2017 07:56 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 11:25 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  


High alcohol consumption.

I'd like to see your evidence that 1917 men drank less than today.

They drank whiskey, vodka, and noble beers such as Schlitz, Hamm's, and Pabst Blue Ribbon. Deep Soy™ created craft beers.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017...eader.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...e-die.html

Muslim in Australia jumps on the sperm count bandwagon and says the following:



[video=youtube]Australian women need Muslims to 'fertilise them' - Islamic leader[/video]

Quote:

A Sydney-based Islamic leader is claiming Australian women need Muslim men to "fertilise them" because of recent reports that sperm counts in western males are dropping drastically.

Halal Certification Authority boss Mohamed El-Mouelhy said Australian women would "need us to fertilise them and keep them surrounded by Muslim babies".

Mr El-Mouelhy suggests the white race could become extinct within 40 years if Australia is left to the "bigots" he believes should "commit suicide".

That's a mug that only an arranged marriage to his 4 closest cousins can save.

And they won't even ask for consent when they rape them....

Different idea - how about we kill all of you and fertilize your women? Because the only way how Islam will rule over the world is indeed if the Western, Chinese and Indian men commit suicide. 10 mio. of us will kill 1 bio of you largely inbred fuckers.

And what a wonderful specimen of Islamic genetic heritage you are:




It's not cigarettes and beer that is causing this - Europeans have been drinking beer for millennia now - the early generations of Muslims drank wine like water - check out Rumi's accounts.

[Steve McQueen]

Reminds me of the Stargate SG1 episode "2010" where humans were sterilized by stealth for a slow moving invasion by a race of technologically superior aliens, this cant be an accident and its clear the higher ups see white people as the threat hence trying to wipe us out. Question we should be asking is how can we reverse this trend?

[Fortis]

Shitty, stressful low-paying, long hour jobs + shit nutrition + shit exercising habits + no sex or little sex with a fat, lazy chick + bleak outlook on the future all tell your body the shit isn't worth living for.

Not rocket science.

[911]

(07-29-2017 10:55 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Shitty, stressful low-paying, long hour jobs + shit nutrition + shit exercising habits + no sex or little sex with a fat, lazy chick + bleak outlook on the future all tell your body the shit isn't worth living for.

Not rocket science.

You want shitty, stressful, low-paying, long hour jobs and bleak outlook on the future? try working in a coal mine 14hrs/day, 7days/wk and living on bread, beer and potatoes. Yet our European industrial revolution forefathers had no problem whatsoever with their fertility.

It's mostly the modern chemical soup we bathe in.

[nomadbrah]

We know that the body scales back testosterone in married men.

Is it possible the body scales down production of sperm in incels and spends the energy somewhere else?

[John Michael Kane]

I think the scaling down of T in married men can largely be attributed to the fact that married men become fathers, which causes lack of sleep with crying babies, and also less time to spend with their buddies exercising. I'm not sure that being married itself causes lower T, but rather the conditions that often come with marriage unless a man takes measure to avoid the T drop. I'm sure that there are many men, myself included, that when in a happy relationship, we don't notice any drop in T or sex drive.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-29-2017 05:04 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

I think the scaling down of T in married men can largely be attributed to the fact that married men become fathers, which causes lack of sleep with crying babies, and also less time to spend with their buddies exercising. I'm not sure that being married itself causes lower T, but rather the conditions that often come with marriage unless a man takes measure to avoid the T drop. I'm sure that there are many men, myself included, that when in a happy relationship, we don't notice any drop in T or sex drive.

I think the married men T-count drops are irrelevant - men used to become fathers early on in the past and they got 7 more kids up to their 40s. We have to look at conditions that are known to impact sperm-count and not make up stuff like too much sitting - as if the early middle class was not sitting as well in their desk jobs.

[John Michael Kane]

I think the biggest harm that we can attribute to modern life is just how many chemicals there are in everything. Plastics. Fire retardants. Packaging materials. Paints. There needs to be a push to reduce the VOC counts of consumer products.

I suggest all men sign up for and read this site regularly: http://www.ewg.org/

Great overall info on chemicals in our environment and the health effects of them, how to limit the effects and also advocacy to take action to make a change.

[RatInTheWoods]

A low sperm count is a thing, but it only takes one of those little bastards to get in there to make a baby!

We cant afford to let one of those bastards to get in here

[Fortis]

(07-29-2017 12:03 PM)911 Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 10:55 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Shitty, stressful low-paying, long hour jobs + shit nutrition + shit exercising habits + no sex or little sex with a fat, lazy chick + bleak outlook on the future all tell your body the shit isn't worth living for.

Not rocket science.

You want shitty, stressful, low-paying, long hour jobs and bleak outlook on the future? try working in a coal mine 14hrs/day, 7days/wk and living on bread, beer and potatoes. Yet our European industrial revolution forefathers had no problem whatsoever with their fertility.

It's mostly the modern chemical soup we bathe in.

Chemicals are a part of it, but our lifestyle is also a part of it as well. I guarantee you a ugy who works a highpaying, satisfying job with a beautiful gf/wife to come home to is going to have far higher sperm count than the Omega I outlined above.

Also your European Forefathers had way bigger problems anyway. Namely not dying of lung cancer from the mines. Also, we don't know what their hormone levels were, but we do know that stressful, hopeless living kills. I'd be interested in seeing how many pre-human rights factory workers lived long enough to have children. Something tells me the numbers would be lower than we'd think.

[TravelerKai]

(07-31-2017 07:32 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 12:03 PM)911 Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 10:55 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Shitty, stressful low-paying, long hour jobs + shit nutrition + shit exercising habits + no sex or little sex with a fat, lazy chick + bleak outlook on the future all tell your body the shit isn't worth living for.

Not rocket science.

You want shitty, stressful, low-paying, long hour jobs and bleak outlook on the future? try working in a coal mine 14hrs/day, 7days/wk and living on bread, beer and potatoes. Yet our European industrial revolution forefathers had no problem whatsoever with their fertility.

It's mostly the modern chemical soup we bathe in.

Chemicals are a part of it, but our lifestyle is also a part of it as well. I guarantee you a ugy who works a highpaying, satisfying job with a beautiful gf/wife to come home to is going to have far higher sperm count than the Omega I outlined above.

Also your European Forefathers had way bigger problems anyway. Namely not dying of lung cancer from the mines. Also, we don't know what their hormone levels were, but we do know that stressful, hopeless living kills. I'd be interested in seeing how many pre-human rights factory workers lived long enough to have children. Something tells me the numbers would be lower than we'd think.

Both parts are very relevant. Lifestyle and chemical. Look at Mexicans. I think it was Tuthmosis that once pointed out that even though Mexican's had the worst diabetes and obesity rates, they still lived longer than their black and white counterparts, because they had happier lifestyles. I think he cited that the men were always chill as fuck. When I look back at my grandparents, despite the negative political landscape they grew up in, they were WAY happier than my parents by a very large factor.

We all have to take stress management classes and training these days, because no one knows how to chill the fuck out anymore. Porn and electronics like TV does not relieve stress contrary to what people think it does. Getting away from Christ, as a society, makes us forget why we are here and lose purpose. Lack of purpose hurts the drive, which allows depression to set it. It's all a giant snowball. Depression rates are super high and rising every year as well and that is chemical based imbalances in the brain.

If I recall correctly, aren't the oldest T levels collected around 40-ish years old? They were higher than ours on average when I last saw them. Infertility was not quite as common back then as it is nowadays. There are fertility clinics everywhere these days. It's huge business. Even though smoking and heavy drinking drops sperm cell counts, we have more sinister things in our air and water that they may not have had, and like Kosko posted, their food was better than ours. When it is not fucked with, food is your medicine. If most of us do not smoke anymore and drinking is the same or less than our ancestors, we definately introduced alot more issues into our environment, than before.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Stress simply does not compute and neither does shitty work-conditions. Workplace happiness is good, but ultimately bullshit as well.

The Japanese have some of the most draconian work conditions out there and they still by far outlive almost anyone. The Kubans outlive the Americans. US Americans have terrible life expectancy not because of too much stress, but the chemical food-soup, now the legion of vaccines, the idiotic for-pharma predatory health care system and other gimmicks like fluoride in the water etc.

You have to stop finding reasons like the Huffpo writers who blame TV and other crap, but look at the facts like Bisphenols, GMOs, food additives etc. Those have changed dramatically in the last 50 years and they are very likely to blame.

And you can also deduct the following: IF NO ONE ABOVE IS ALARMED ABOUT IT THEN IT IS DONE ON PURPOSE AND THEY KNOW WHAT IS CAUSING IT. And they will give you bullshit reasons like stress, sedentary lifestyle, watching TV or surfing too much on the internet. It will be everything except the things that are actually causing it at levels above 95%.