[Gas]

So I've been on a few dates with this hottie, an easy 8. She lives with a couple of of her brothers (this is in Poland by the way, not the US) and she mentions that they're quite protective of her. The other day after we'd met up she said her brother wanted to talk to me. She called my phone and her brother was on the other end.

"What's your name?"

"Hey, I'm Gas. What's your name?"

"Don't ask me my name. What are you doing taking my sister out without asking me."

Pretty much the whole five minute conversation was like this. He sounded pretty fucken angry. I held frame well, and told him to drop the disrespect and talk to me like an adult. He backed down by the end of it and dropped the tough guy act, but still sounded pissed. He said very clearly that before I see his sister again he needs to meet me first. I figured this was to scare me so I told him sure, no problem.

Now comes the question of how I go about seeing her again, as this dude is probably going to be calling me every single time she leaves the house. Should I meet him? Just ignore him? Give me your thoughts.

[Steelex]

Just show up, shake his hand, look him in the eyes hold your head up straight, all that shit. Just show him you ain't no punk ass bitch and you're not intimidated by his shit.

It's not like he's Marius's pudzniaowski.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to go meet some chicks dad or brother and gave them the stone crusher hand shake.

[kinjutsu]

He just wants to make sure you aren't some low-T manlet that "tricked" his sister into sex etc.

[Gas]

(07-16-2017 11:34 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

Just show up, shake his hand, look him in the eyes hold your head up straight, all that shit. Just show him you ain't no punk ass bitch and you're not intimidated by his shit.

It's not like he's Marius's pudzniaowski.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to go meet some chicks dad or brother and gave them the stone crusher hand shake.

Were they hostile to begin with though? If it's a friendly meeting that's my bread and butter, done it a million times. Angry juicehead bro is a different story.

Holding frame will be easy...he's about 5 years younger than me. He definitely didn't expect that kickback on the phone. I just want to know the best angle to play it: I don't have time for all this bullshit.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-16-2017 12:02 PM)Gas Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 11:34 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

Just show up, shake his hand, look him in the eyes hold your head up straight, all that shit. Just show him you ain't no punk ass bitch and you're not intimidated by his shit.

It's not like he's Marius's pudzniaowski.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to go meet some chicks dad or brother and gave them the stone crusher hand shake.

Were they hostile to begin with though? If it's a friendly meeting that's my bread and butter, done it a million times. Angry juicehead bro is a different story.

Holding frame will be easy...he's about 5 years younger than me. He definitely didn't expect that kickback on the phone. I just want to know the best angle to play it: I don't have time for all this bullshit.

He's just trying to look out for his sister. I can respect that.

Have you talked to the girl since?

Id ask the girl to meet you bring her brother somewhere in a public place. He's less likely to act all puffy in public with other people around (I know its EE but still should be less likelihood of shenanigans) As Steelex suggested:, meet him, shake his hand look him in the eye and win him over.

And wear one of these jerseys



Robert Lewandowski

Generally anything that can pivot the conversation away from the fact that youre stuffing his kid sisters holes with your meat puppet is a good thing

[Gas]

(07-16-2017 01:47 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

He's just trying to look out for his sister. I can respect that.

Have you talked to the girl since?

Id ask the girl to meet you bring her brother somewhere in a public place. He's less likely to act all puffy in public with other people around (I know its EE but still should be less likelihood of shenanigans) As Steelex suggested:, meet him, shake his hand look him in the eye and win him over.

Generally anything that can pivot the conversation away from the fact that youre stuffing his kid sisters holes with your meat puppet is a good thing

That wouldn't be a problem and I could handle that situation fine, although I'm not nuts about sitting and talking with that bozo for an entire coffee date.

[Gas]

(07-16-2017 01:47 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Have you talked to the girl since?

Yeah we're still chatting I think it's turning her on that I didn't crumble on that phone call, it was clearly just a big intimidation tactic.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-16-2017 02:19 PM)Gas Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 01:47 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

He's just trying to look out for his sister. I can respect that.

Have you talked to the girl since?

Id ask the girl to meet you bring her brother somewhere in a public place. He's less likely to act all puffy in public with other people around (I know its EE but still should be less likelihood of shenanigans) As Steelex suggested:, meet him, shake his hand look him in the eye and win him over.

Generally anything that can pivot the conversation away from the fact that youre stuffing his kid sisters holes with your meat puppet is a good thing

That wouldn't be a problem and I could handle that situation fine, although I'm not nuts about sitting and talking with that bozo for an entire coffee date.

Thats why I suggested it be with her. Once you've met, chatted and he sees your not a loser and aren't going to wilt in the face of his bluster he'll quickly piss off. I bet it'll be 5-10 min max before he's feeling like a 3rd wheel and leaves. Youre then free to defile his lil sis all you want. (Personally id glaze her like a donut next session on principle)

(07-16-2017 02:21 PM)Gas Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 01:47 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Have you talked to the girl since?

Yeah we're still chatting I think it's turning her on that I didn't crumble on that phone call, it was clearly just a big intimidation tactic.

Of course its turning her on. Youre standing up to her familial authority figure(s). If she sees you out-alpha her brother in person she'll be sucking your spam missile with even more gusto

[StackGsMan]

Try to the toe the line between being open to violence but appearing calm at the same time.

The goal is not to fight him or provoke him in any way, the goal is to disarm him and make him neutral. If you totally take physicality out of the equation he might escalate and provoke you. If you come on too strong at the very least you've made an enemy and also have made your girl's life harder because she will have to deal with him even if you don't. If played wonderfully you can get him on your side, which can only help.

As others have said let him know you are a man and will not tolerate being treated any less than a man. At the same time though do not walk into the situation thinking I have to act a certain way. Be fluid like water as Bruce Lee described it, where water can assume the shape of any container it is placed in. In boxing if you go in with a single minded plan and don't adapt you still might win by virtue of you having the better strategy, your opponent's incompetence, or your shear physical dominance. Usually though if you are facing a competent opponent he will adapt to you and destroy you.

None of that is me saying you should fight him, just assess the situation in the moment as you would with a girl you are cold approaching.

The only thing you should really try to avoid is making a venomous enemy. Even if he is a nobody it can still be bad for you. There is a saying that a tiny mosquito can drive a strong horse crazy.

Good luck and I'm sure nothing major will happen. Usually if someone is going to go psycho on you they won't sit and have a conversation about it with you.

[BB1]

(07-16-2017 12:02 PM)Gas Wrote:  

Holding frame will be easy...he's about 5 years younger than me. He definitely didn't expect that kickback on the phone. I just want to know the best angle to play it: I don't have time for all this bullshit.

I have been in similar situations. If he is 5 years younger just ignore him. He sounds pathetic.

[Newguy101]

Reframe it on his sister and probe him.
Why so protective, you dont trust your sister?
Does she sleep around alot?
You have a really strong creepy obession over your sister like shes your wife whats your deal?

Hell back pedal. If he gets aggressive put your hands up loudly say take it easy calm down so everyone will look.
Hell either lay down but if gets close to your space then drop him. That way laws on your side.

When he gets all poutey or aggressive look to his sister and shame him. Get her to play along.

Us he always like this? Is he bi polar?

But when you meet try an discourage hanging with him. LLikewe what we already met why hang around when hes acting all hostile. When hes more mature then he can come with us.
If shes adament to have him either just leave an meet her later(if she really likes u) or take him an phase him out of the conversation.

[RatInTheWoods]

How about showing the brother some respect and reassuring him you are going to treat her like you would like your sister/daughter to be treated?

Shame there isn't more family that give a shit what their women are up to.

[samsamsam]

(07-16-2017 10:14 PM)Newguy101 Wrote:  

Reframe it on his sister and probe him.
Why so protective, you dont trust your sister?
Does she sleep around alot?
You have a really strong creepy obession over your sister like shes your wife whats your deal?

Hell back pedal. If he gets aggressive put your hands up loudly say take it easy calm down so everyone will look.
Hell either lay down but if gets close to your space then drop him. That way laws on your side.

No. No. No. No. No. 1 million times no.










Definitely don't go talking trash about the girl you want to be with.

This is not a situation where you have a plan, like i will go in and be aggressive or xyz. Or where you hope that at the end of the meeting her brother is unconscious.

This is a situation where you have objectives in mind and you apply tactics as they become relevant.

Of course shake his hand, look him in the eye and don't give off the vibe that you are a bitch. But the goal is to earn his respect at a minimum and ideally as an ally. If he likes you enough he will help keep your girl in check when you are not around. Be relaxed, don't get flustered, let him vent a bit but make sure he knows you are unaffected. If you actually, really like this girl, then communicate that. He is just looking out for his sister. I think in some ways it is an admirable quality. As long as he isn't insane about it. It means if her entire life her whole family has been looking after her, she may be quite feminine. Which is a fucking good thing and she understands how men and women should interact. Keep your frame. Don't make a matter worse unnecessarily.

Sometimes, guys on here try to be too hard. Too badass for their own good. Focus on your objective. Ignore your ego especially when it can do you no good.

[Gas]

Thanks guys good advice.

I have no desire to fight him plus I think he's got at least 50 pounds on me (I'm quite a small guy). But I can look after myself, am not worried about that. If anything did go down I'm quite sure police will be on his side anyway. Poland.

Keep you all updated.

[Gas]

(07-16-2017 11:57 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

How about showing the brother some respect and reassuring him you are going to treat her like you would like your sister/daughter to be treated?

Maybe because I probably won't be treating her the way I'd want my daughter to be treated....

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-16-2017 10:41 AM)Gas Wrote:  

...
"What's your name?"

"Hey, I'm Gas. What's your name?"

"Don't ask me my name. What are you doing taking my sister out without asking me."

"What am I doing? What are you doing letting an asshole like me date your sister?"

(this is probably why I'd never live long in EE)

[Gas]

(07-17-2017 04:37 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-16-2017 10:41 AM)Gas Wrote:  

...
"What's your name?"

"Hey, I'm Gas. What's your name?"

"Don't ask me my name. What are you doing taking my sister out without asking me."

"What am I doing? What are you doing letting an asshole like me date your sister?"

(this is probably why I'd never live long in EE)

This isn't big city westernized EE either, it's small city old school EE (if you hadn't guessed).

[not-a-pua]

"with a couple of of her brothers "

So it depends what's actually going on with them.
If these were Turks, I'd probably be careful.
Otherwise it could go bad.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I'm really not sure if this is a case of genuinely concerned family members checking out the situation or a psycho incestuous sibling bond gone horribly wrong.

[BelyyTigr]

(07-16-2017 10:41 AM)Gas Wrote:  

So I've been on a few dates with this hottie, an easy 8. She lives with a couple of of her brothers (this is in Poland by the way, not the US) and she mentions that they're quite protective of her. The other day after we'd met up she said her brother wanted to talk to me. She called my phone and her brother was on the other end.

"What's your name?"

"Hey, I'm Gas. What's your name?"

"Don't ask me my name. What are you doing taking my sister out without asking me."

Pretty much the whole five minute conversation was like this. He sounded pretty fucken angry. I held frame well, and told him to drop the disrespect and talk to me like an adult. He backed down by the end of it and dropped the tough guy act, but still sounded pissed. He said very clearly that before I see his sister again he needs to meet me first. I figured this was to scare me so I told him sure, no problem.

Now comes the question of how I go about seeing her again, as this dude is probably going to be calling me every single time she leaves the house. Should I meet him? Just ignore him? Give me your thoughts.

TBH I'd be struggling to keep hold of my temper.
You're in Poland, not GarbageCentral in Chechnya or Afghanistan.

Who does the cunt think he is? This isn't "looking out for his sister". Its being an opportunist, disrespectful cunt. He's trying to tell you its the 14th century and he's her owner, while jerking off on the phone. And that he wants you as his bitch. It reminds me of Tony in Scarface, who it turned out wanted to fuck his sister.

Reminds me of a girl I dated. She told me her brothers were arseholes before I met them. I just said "they won't fucking talk to me like that". Anyway I never had any problems with them. They're now on a loonnnnng stretch for heroin dealing ie alienated colleagues, got grassed.

Despite some of the ideas I've heard online ,I've always found that most "self appointed" super alphas - drug dealers etc tend to be pretty polite, gentlemen even. Lose cannons and cokeheads tend to have bad shit happen to them sooner or later.

Like I said, the guy is an opportunist. And does he REALLY want his precious sister dating someone who'll get bitched around? Look at each and every thing he says. And make it clear you want complete respect from him. If he's cuntish, even in ONE sentence/body movement, mirror his antics. As an aside, naturally if/when u do meet him, you need to consider planning your security. He has no right to demand anything, so until he's polite, tell him to fuck himself. Don't let him set an agenda. Because right now, the guy is a nonentity.

Boyfriends meet siblings in due course through friendly developments NOT because of demands.
I wouldn't call him. Tell your girl, if he wants to speak he can show some respect or fuck off. Let her do any legwork. And also ask her if he is harrassing her. Maybe its the brother that needs a kicking! : D

PS if you are really nervous about the physical side just meet in a bar and sit at a table alone. Have a friend or two on a table nearby. So u can up the ante with insurance close by.

[BelyyTigr]

It seems incest porn is a big new "fetish". So it sounds like the brother is one jealous prick.

[Gas]

(07-20-2017 09:12 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'm really not sure if this is a case of genuinely concerned family members checking out the situation or a psycho incestuous sibling bond gone horribly wrong.

I also got that feeling. He sounded like a jealous boyfriend rather than a big brother.

[Gas]

Anyway I told the girl I have no problem if he comes with her for our next coffee date and she seemed surprised I wasn't scared of him.

She then said she cannot bring him with her, she's too afraid he's going to make a scene or start something, and she's too scared to come and meet me alone in case he follows her/finds out. So we're somewhat in limbo right now. I may just need to let her go.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-20-2017 11:01 AM)Gas Wrote:  

Anyway I told the girl I have no problem if he comes with her for our next coffee date and she seemed surprised I wasn't scared of him.

She then said she cannot bring him with her, she's too afraid he's going to make a scene or start something, and she's too scared to come and meet me alone in case he follows her/finds out. So we're somewhat in limbo right now. I may just need to let her go.

Id call the brother and tell him to meet you somewhere then. Tell him to bring the sister if he's a man truly looking out for her so she can see and hear the truth for herself

Might be more trouble than its worth but personally I wouldnt be able to let this go on principle

Whether its truly a "respect" thing regarding asking permission or there's some weird incestuous dynamic at play having them both in front of you together will likely help you see it clearly pretty quick

Just my 2 cents

[Gas]

(07-20-2017 11:55 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 11:01 AM)Gas Wrote:  

Anyway I told the girl I have no problem if he comes with her for our next coffee date and she seemed surprised I wasn't scared of him.

She then said she cannot bring him with her, she's too afraid he's going to make a scene or start something, and she's too scared to come and meet me alone in case he follows her/finds out. So we're somewhat in limbo right now. I may just need to let her go.

Id call the brother and tell him to meet you somewhere then. Tell him to bring the sister if he's a man truly looking out for her so she can see and hear the truth for herself

Might be more trouble than its worth but personally I wouldnt be able to let this go on principle

Whether its truly a "respect" thing regarding asking permission or there's some weird incestuous dynamic at play having them both in front of you together will likely help you see it clearly pretty quick

Just my 2 cents

No idea who he is, what his phone number is, what his name is or what he looks like. I don't know the girl too well either. I only have her phone number - I avoid connecting on any social media too early, for obvious reasons. We are still chatting - I'll see how it plays out.