[Fortis]

(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

[rudebwoy]

(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  



Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

This is some MOFO real talk....nuclear.....

[kaotic]

TK Dropping some serious shit on this thread right now.

Making me question what exactly I'm going to do 10-20 years from now.

[Excelsior]

(05-31-2017 12:24 PM)eljeffster Wrote:  

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You and I both know all of this to be true re: the true nature of men and women, and it is for these reasons that the clock is not going to rewind. The artificial limitations are gone and they simply are not going to come back. Women don't want them. Men don't really want them (even those many among the bottom 80%) and the world we live in is not equipped to have them.


At some point, I think people need to accept that the genie is not going back into the bottle.

I disagree with the premise I have bolded out above. I think that it is limited by the idea that the clock can't undwind, or the genie can't go back into the bottle. I submit that this idea of a static social fabric (or unidirectional social fabric) is incorrect.

Look at Sweden or other parts of Europe where, unless something is done, in the next few generations the clock will rewind on the current "equality" status. Already in Sweden women who are "equal" in every where in one of the most egalitarian modern societies ever created are afraid to go out after dark and are changing their behavior accordingly. How long before they give themselves and their liberties up for strong men to protect them if things continue to get worse.

I don't believe in a unidirectional or static fabric at all. I fully acknowledge that whatever comes next might not be as wildly progressive as what we have now. What I contend, however, is that whatever we get next is not going to be a repeat of Mad Men or whatever other 1950's archetype people are so keen to harken back to.

We could very well see society push itself into a more conservative future (maybe, maybe not), but I don't think that conservatism will be as familiar as people here are hoping it will be. There will be different players and different rules.

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Women may never willingly give up the right to vote in Western societies, but with the way things are going, doesn't mean that someone might not just take it from them. Women will go back to home and hearth if men demand them to.

That is the essence of game. A man creates a reality of feeling and emotion that becomes real when a women falls into his frame. It becomes real. A group of men create a social reality that becomes real when females fall into their societal frame.

And what who precisely will that group of men be? Who will lead this new return to conservatism?

Will it be the men of the manosphere? Are you sure?

Also...

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Isn't that the direction we have been headed with neomasculinity and the shifts in this forum from individualized game to greater social and philosophical discussions?

...since we're talking about shifts on the forum, you're indeed correct to note that there has been a shift here and in the manosphere more broadly. We moved from talk of individualized game to talk of greater social/philosophical significance. The forum and the manosphere more broadly became political.
Of course, with this change came some shifts in the manosphere's demographic composition and in its openness/hostility to certain people.

That leads me to wonder precisely who will be welcome in this new "neomasculine/benevolent patriarchy". Assuming the men of the manosphere do succeed in bringing back some form of the patriarchy they dream of, will said patriarchy be open and welcoming to all likeminded men or shall it instead favor the promotion of some over others?

Shall the new "neomasculine patriarchy" seek to return to 1950s standards in more than just the age at which women marry and the lifestyle they live after doing so?

[Excelsior]

(05-31-2017 02:52 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Promiscuous sex was a big part of many cultures - usually those in deep decline. Even in the last 200 years you had certain regions in Europe - Paris 1890s, Berlin 1920s - where free love was promoted and practiced. This usually ended quickly due to the sudden rise in unwanted children, whose mothers were not supported by alimony or welfare.

It needs to be noted that on a global scale not every instance of widespread absence of inner-Hajnal-style socially imposed monogamy was accompanied by rapid decline of the society in question.

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In my opinion it is possible to create a science-based male-female relationship system for society that takes into account both the instincts of women and the needs of a high civilization. It would likely entail Game and Red Pill being taught to all men and women. It would explain exactly and in detail to both genders what will make most of them happy and what the reasons for that are. All men will be trained and encouraged to become the most Alpha, strongest versions they can be, recognizing shit-tests easily and female nature being an open book to them. Also all women will be taught to stay slim, in shape and be the most feminine they can be, because that will attract the best man they can get and will make them the most happy over the long term (this can be even proven scientifically - no reason to believe in anything). In a way such a society would certainly be loathed by many women, because even in traditional Christian societies women despite the limitations could get away with plenty of bullshit.

Furthermore I would recommend the building of a social framework where women are encouraged to marry and have babies at the age of 17-20. They could study at home and later after the kids are in school, then they could embark on studies or some careers if they wanted to.

Voila - genie back in the bottle.

The fundamental problem that this argument and all like it have is female nature.
As I have said above, and as you have acknowledged multiple times, women want the best. They are hypergamous. This is their instinct.
You say this will be easily overcome via efforts to encourage all young men to be more alpha and all young women to be more slim and feminine. I challenge this on two levels:

1. We have already had this. What you're describing is not very far from what we saw in America and much of the western world prior to 1950. That was a world where the average man was far more masculine/alpha than he is today (and freely, frequently encouraged to be so - none of the anti-masculine cuckery we see widespread today) and women were drilled to be as feminine and traditional as possible, marrying young and staying slender. We've been here.

2. The whole proposal fails to understand the fundamental realities associated with human nature. As I said before, women want top men. You say this proposal will give them said men, because all of the men will be trained to be as "alpha as they can be". Your problem is that some men inherently have greater potential than others, and your idea will do nothing to undermine the reality of the 80/20-70/30 rule. No matter how hard you try to "train" everyone up, there will be betas and there will be alphas. Most men will simply not have the capacity to come close to the top 20/30% or even mimic it well. Again, we've seen this before. The overall bar can be raised very slightly, but there will still be a normal distribution to contend with. Someone has to be 55th percentile.

This means that you have the same problem I mentioned before: women will want the top men, but this "neo-patriarchal" society will, by definition, force most of them to settle for long-term monogamous relationships with just one man who is well below that level. They would prefer to share a piece of a top man, but they will instead be forced to marry Mr. 55th percentile. Your proposal, regardless of it's desire to "train up" men below the top, will not take Mr. 55th percentile and turn him into Mr. 85th Percentile.

There will still be a Mr. 55th Percentile, and this whole societal scheme will still effectively be a form of affirmative action/social welfare for him and men like him who, otherwise, would have to work a lot harder to get play. Society will be handing them sexual access they did not earn at the expense of female sexual freedom. Women will be effectively forced into LTRs and marriages with Mr. 55th percentile that would not have occurred otherwise.

This is just another variation on the same old formula: middling/below middling men south of the 70th percentile who use society to get them play they would never otherwise earn. These are men who couldn't meet the bar in a less restricted society and, rather than seek to raise themselves up to the bar, prefer to bring it down by limiting the ability of women to select men above them. The women know this, deep down, and they aren't ok with it. It is part of the reason you had a sexual revolution in the first place.

People in this thread have contended that, deep down, most women want to get married and have children. That's true...with men they consider worthy. Part of the reason women (the feminist movement embodies their concerns) became so hostile to the patriarchy in the west is because it forced the vast majority of them into marriages with mediocre/middling/below-par men, while cutting of any chance they had of serious association with men above that level. Women hate betas, as we all know, so it stands to reason that they will absolutely despise any society that forces most of them to marry and exclusively fuck/procreate with betas. That, unfortunately, is precisely the society you're contemplating.

There is no society in which women are going to be content, en masse, with Mr. 55th percentile. They will reject any society that limits their options to him and nobody else.
You can try and force them to settle but, again, that's been done. It doesn't work.

[debeguiled]

One of the reasons I am glad for this thread is that it reminded me of a now defunct manosphere blog called University of Man. Way back in 2012, one of the bloggers at the Universty of Man, guy who went by Mentu, wrote a post about getting a vasectomy. There are certain blog posts, in that endless stream, that haunt you, and you never forget them. This was one of those.

Mentu came across as a straight up Texas guy, raised by a traditional family, and hoping to do the same, and then, slowly over the years, coming to the realization that no matter how many women he met, and slept with, he had yet to find even one that he thought would be a good mother. Back in 2012.

An extremely bittersweet post, coming from a man who was the last male in his line of the family, having a definite vision of what family should mean, what it should be, and coming, with great regret, to the decision that he didn't believe that he would find a modern woman he would want to be the mother of his kids.

This guy didn't come across as defeatist, or the kind of guy who gave up easily. I still to this day don't know if I agree with his decision, laced as it was, as he says, with regret but no doubt, and at the same time, he always seemed to me to be an intelligent, sensitive man, and I have to respect that he thought about it long and hard before going through with it.

I guess, ultimately the real loser here is the women, who don't even know that there are men out there, observing them, watching, assessing, and deciding, I think not. They have no idea what they are losing or missing, because it makes itself known by its absence.

Anyway, here is the post:

https://web.archive.org/web/201210110143...art-1.html

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“A man aint no kind of man at all unless his blood lives on in his children and his children’s children.” ~Dad Mentu

At 4:00 p.m. this afternoon, I walked in to the waiting room at my local Urology center for a vasectomy. This was my second attempt to have the procedure done.

Several months ago I went in for a vasectomy, but was sent home because I was “too young” and “didn’t have children yet.” I found out that though this is not a law in Texas, it’s an “extremely common practice” according to the med staff at the Urology center and the med staff at work.

Today I showed up at a different Urology center with my beautiful wife and my two adorable girls. The 6 year old blonde has my eyes, but the 4 year old brunette looks so much like me that my own sisters insist she’s mine. I stood there wearing my wedding band, while Lindsay admired the 3 carat near-flawless diamond in a platinum setting that adorned her finger again for the first time in nearly three years. As she twisted it back and forth on her finger and gazed off into nothingness, I quietly read to the girls so she could take stroll down memory lane.

We were one hell of a power couple; everything a pretend SWPL conservative protestant suburban family should be. I was the doting father who couldn’t get enough of his baby girls, and the work ID badge on my belt said “that’s right, I do pretty good for myself.” She was the blonde corporate strategist with a charming smile, a perfect rack that still somehow managed to be accented in a conservative white button-down shirt, a knee-length pinstriped pencil skirt, and cherry red 6-inch heels that proclaimed “I’m all business” and “spank me” at the same time. The girls were in matching school uniforms, and their long naturally wavy hair and gigantic green eyes brought the entire nursing staff to a stop.

After my initial five-minute consultation with the Urologist where he met Lindsay and the girls who call me daddy, I was promptly led to the examination room. Since I had manned up and fulfilled my societal obligations by marrying and producing attractive offspring, the good doctor didn’t have a problem performing my procedure – though he did ask me twice why I didn’t want to try for a son.

Lindsay left, because it “hurt too much to see me get this done.” I haven’t slept with her in nearly a year, because I honestly believed she was trying to get pregnant. The only reason I even speak to her is because she looks good on my arm at work parties, and she’s one of the few women I’ve met who can hold an intelligent conversation with my boss while still being sexy and feminine. Ive met tons of women who could do one or the other, but not both.

I sat there in the examination room for a good 30 minutes or more just staring at the massive needle the tech had readied to be shoved into my sack. I had plenty of time to think, plenty of time to change my mind, and plenty of time to come right back to the same old conclusion: this is something I needed to do. I sat there thinking for what seemed like an eternity.

Where the hell is the doctor? I want to get this over and done.

My mind continued to race with thoughts about what I was about to do and the profound effect it would have on the rest of my life. An hour from now, I would be guaranteeing that my side of the Mentu bloodline would end with me. I am my father’s only son, and rotten feminist culture or not, this was a big step.

I thought about Big Dog and Little Pup; my eldest sister’s two young men in training. A few months back I sat on the side of the river that flows through Dad Mentu’s property, teaching 7 year old Big Dog how to fly fish while 4 year old Little Pup stood there gazing at me like I was the smartest and most interesting man in the world. No wonder men desire to have sons – there’s nothing more satisfying than taking up the cross of passing manhood on to the next generation. It’s an honor, a burden, and a source of joy that cannot be matched – and they’re not even my sons.

My eldest sister and her hubby took advantage of me being there to leave the boys behind and go on a date. My youngest sister was on her way over with her husband and their newborn baby girl who I would meet for the first time. Dad Mentu was on the deck grilling the wild game steaks he had harvested with his own hands, while mom was working on the side dishes in the kitchen with her favorite gospel song playing on well-worn vinyl. From the riverbank just about 30 yards from the back of the house, I could hear Granddad’s voice blending in harmony with the old quartet, and mom was singing along with all her heart just as she has done for as long as I can remember: ♫ Hold my hand all the way, every hour, every day; from here to the great unknown. Take my hand, let me stand where no one stands alone. ♫

All we have to remember Granddad by are a handful of pirated YouTube videos from gospel music shows in the 1950s, a few LPs, an old “In Concert” poster that still hangs in the church hall, and a million stories that always seem to become a little more grandiose each time they’re told.

Granddad would be disappointed in me for being here in this examination room.

Mom yelled “Boys! Come and eat!” but Big Dog and Little Pup didn’t budge. I said “let’s go guys” but Big Dog said “They’re not serious yet, Uncle Mentu. Trust me, I know how this works.”

About 5 minutes later, mom yelled from the back porch “If this gets cold, I’m whipping all of you! Even you, Mentu. You’re still my little boy, and youre not too old for a butt-whoopin!”

Big Dog dropped his pole on the ground, grabbed Little Pup’s hand, and said “We gotta go quick, Uncle Mentu. They’re serious this time.”

I thought it was interesting that although it was only mom calling us, Big Dog referred to her as “they.” Mom and Dad Mentu are a team, and when one of them speaks, they do so with collective authority. Even the youngest of the Mentu clan recognizes and respects this.

When we got back to the house, Dad was sitting at the head of the table. He said to Big Dog “You told me that if I let you go fishing with Uncle Mentu, you’d come running when Grandma called out suppertime.”

“We did, Granddad.”

“Don’t lie to me boy. She had to call you twice. What lesson did you forget about lying?”

“A man’s word is his bond.”

Dad Mentu made Big Dog stand up, walk over to my mother, and apologize. Mom hugged him and forgave him, then shot a little soft-hearted sympathetic “don’t be too hard on him” frown at my dad who pretended not to notice. Dad then made Big Dog apologize to Little Pup for failing to set a good example.

Little Pup is too young to understand, but that wasn’t the point.

If I ever had sons, I would want them to be raised just like I was. I’d want them to benefit from the perfect balance and undeniable synergy created when masculine and feminine strength unite for the good of their children and grandchildren. There’s no 50/50 anything in my parent’s house; mom and dad are one singular force to be reckoned with. My sisters and I tried for 18 years to break up their monopoly on power, but we were always unsuccessful.

Where the hell is that damn doctor?

I thought about my girls; Lindsay’s two precious daughters who call me daddy. I knew that at that very moment, they were driving back home in rush hour traffic while Lindsay blasted Britney Spears and Lady Gaga through the car stereo. The girls know all the words and dance moves by heart, and it sickens me.

Its ok though, because Lindsay doesnt let them listen to the really bad stuff.

I’m told that Lindsay is one of the good ones. She’s the attractive, sweet, educated, agreeable, successful woman with a Christian background who everyone promises the lonely beta hell meet some day if hell just be himself, remain patient and “look hard enough in the right places.”

I was patient. I looked hard enough. I found her. I’ve found two or three others just like her down through the years. I’ll find others. But the one thing these women all have in common besides being the “perfect woman” by today’s standards is that they think my family is “weird” and “too old fashioned.”

Where the hell is that damn doctor? If I have to walk out in the hallway in this gown and look for him, I’m not going to be happy.

I realized that I can (and have) found women who would probably make a decent wife, but I have yet to come across a woman who I would want to be the mother of my children. I have never met a woman in my age range who thinks it’s anything but odd that a 7 year old would use phrases like “A man’s word is his bond”, and they all (to some extent) criticize mom and dad Mentu and my sisters for being too strict with the kids and subjecting them to the horrors of a Patriarchal household. It seems that fishing with your Uncle, obeying your elders, learning life lessons about manhood at a young age, and taking responsibility for teaching your younger brother to do the same is just too weird of a concept these days. Throw in the fact that my mom takes a break from doing the dishes to serve my dad sweet tea while he’s in his recliner playing Mario Kart with the grandkids, and Lord God almighty the family atmosphere of the Mentu household is just too misogynistic and backward for modern women to handle. Its as if they instinctively hate it without knowing why.

I know why.

If that doctor doesn’t show up soon, I’m using my cell phone to call the front desk. This is ridiculous.

I thought about the Manosphere. In my opinion, pro-marriage and Christian bloggers in these parts talk far too much about how to find a good wife, and not nearly enough about how to find a good mother. After a long and exhaustive search, I have finally given up. I actually gave up about three years ago, to be perfectly honest. Women who might make decent wives pop up every now and then, but women in the 21 to 31 year old age range who would make good mothers have gone the way of the Dodo Bird. Its not as if theyve rejected the idea; theyre not even aware that the concept exists.

The doctor finally walked in and interrupted my thoughts. Thank God.

I had two texts from Lindsay saying “are you sure about this?” and “baby, please don’t do this” but I didnt respond.

The doctor and I chatted for a few minutes, and he walked me through the process. I signed off on one last form stating that though the procedure may be able to be reversed, the reversal success rate was only 84%, so the procedure is medically considered to be permanent. I nodded my head in agreement, but didnt say a word.

I thought about what my own Big Dog and Little Pup would look like, and how I felt when my youngest sister introduced me to my two-week old niece for the very first time. I thought about how nothing would make dad Mentu happier than to play golf in the back yard with his only sons little boy. I thought about how mom Mentu forces a smile and fights back tears when she tells me she loves me and understands why I dont see myself ever having children. I thought about Granddad and how he held on to life until two days after I was born so that he could tell King Jesus all about his first grandson. I thought about how much I truly love Lindsay and my girls, and how I honestly wish I had never met them.

Mr. Mentu? Are you ready?

Im ready, Doc. Lets do this.

Are you sure? You look a little out of it.

Im fine. Lets just get this over with so I can go home and crawl into bed.

Is your wife going to drive you home?

Yeah.

I leaned back, closed my eyes, and relaxed while the doctor prepped me for the procedure that would forever change the course of my life. It was the first time in my life I have ever experienced regret without having doubt. I hardened my heart, steadied my resolve, and made peace with what was about to happen.

[Dan Woolf]

(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  



Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

I'm not talking about TRT, I'm talking about rejuvenation therapies. Two completely different things.

Rest of your post can be summed in this picture:

[TravelerKai]

(06-01-2017 02:43 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

I'm not talking about TRT, I'm talking about rejuvenation therapies. Two completely different things.

Rest of your post can be summed in this picture:

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Reliance on science is weak and not masculine.

I covered that already. At least I will be a happy old man with grandchildren. You can enjoy your augments, implants, and gender reassignment (metaphorically and physically).

Me? I'm good.

[J_Sway]

This all reminds me of something Matthew McConaughey's character Rust says in True Detective:

"I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming. Stop reproducing. Walk hand in hand into extinction. One last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."

Sounds so utterly profound, doesnt it? Enlightening, no? Nihilism is great! Hedonism for the win! Fuck babies, or families, or futures. This world doesn't need any of that shit. What it needs is for everyone to metaphorically dive off a cliff into oblivion. Right?

The feminists don't want to carry your babies because of the "evil patriarchy". You don't want to build families and have babies because of the "evil feminists". So you know what, maybe it is for the best. The "we don't want families or babies because of the evil boogeyman" retards of the world will eventually die off and the rest of the reasonable people willing to do the work of raising families and building a decent society will be the ones left to do the work of raising families and building a decent society.

So, in the end, it all works out. Natural selection at its finest.

[Highpool]

It comes down to this
If you like kids reproduce
Otherwise don't.

As far as degeneracy that ruins society goes, there's not much worse than peer pressuring people who hate kids into reproducing. By saying it's their duty, tempting them with having a legacy, threatening them by saying no one takes old childless people seriously, whatever.

Every time that happens you get an unwanted kid with no family support, who will most likely need handouts or an unsavory hustle to get by. It's like the mindset and life situation of a rapefugee stapled onto a guy who looks like a local and has birthright citizenship.

[eljeffster]

(06-01-2017 01:57 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 12:24 PM)eljeffster Wrote:  

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You and I both know all of this to be true re: the true nature of men and women, and it is for these reasons that the clock is not going to rewind. The artificial limitations are gone and they simply are not going to come back. Women don't want them. Men don't really want them (even those many among the bottom 80%) and the world we live in is not equipped to have them.


At some point, I think people need to accept that the genie is not going back into the bottle.

I disagree with the premise I have bolded out above. I think that it is limited by the idea that the clock can't undwind, or the genie can't go back into the bottle. I submit that this idea of a static social fabric (or unidirectional social fabric) is incorrect.

Look at Sweden or other parts of Europe where, unless something is done, in the next few generations the clock will rewind on the current "equality" status. Already in Sweden women who are "equal" in every where in one of the most egalitarian modern societies ever created are afraid to go out after dark and are changing their behavior accordingly. How long before they give themselves and their liberties up for strong men to protect them if things continue to get worse.

I don't believe in a unidirectional or static fabric at all. I fully acknowledge that whatever comes next might not be as wildly progressive as what we have now. What I contend, however, is that whatever we get next is not going to be a repeat of Mad Men or whatever other 1950's archetype people are so keen to harken back to.

We could very well see society push itself into a more conservative future (maybe, maybe not), but I don't think that conservatism will be as familiar as people here are hoping it will be. There will be different players and different rules.

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Women may never willingly give up the right to vote in Western societies, but with the way things are going, doesn't mean that someone might not just take it from them. Women will go back to home and hearth if men demand them to.

That is the essence of game. A man creates a reality of feeling and emotion that becomes real when a women falls into his frame. It becomes real. A group of men create a social reality that becomes real when females fall into their societal frame.

And what who precisely will that group of men be? Who will lead this new return to conservatism?

Will it be the men of the manosphere? Are you sure?

Also...

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Isn't that the direction we have been headed with neomasculinity and the shifts in this forum from individualized game to greater social and philosophical discussions?

...since we're talking about shifts on the forum, you're indeed correct to note that there has been a shift here and in the manosphere more broadly. We moved from talk of individualized game to talk of greater social/philosophical significance. The forum and the manosphere more broadly became political.
Of course, with this change came some shifts in the manosphere's demographic composition and in its openness/hostility to certain people.

That leads me to wonder precisely who will be welcome in this new "neomasculine/benevolent patriarchy". Assuming the men of the manosphere do succeed in bringing back some form of the patriarchy they dream of, will said patriarchy be open and welcoming to all likeminded men or shall it instead favor the promotion of some over others?

Shall the new "neomasculine patriarchy" seek to return to 1950s standards in more than just the age at which women marry and the lifestyle they live after doing so?

I think you are right to question whether some form of neomasculinity will stifle dissent. Like any movement it can be corrupted, co-opted, live longer than its purpose etc. Who will watch the watchers as it were.

We may not ever return to the 1950's archetype, and we probably shouldn't. I doubt many of us here were around to speak directly to everything that went on during those times and it is easy to look back with rosy colored glasses.

However, I remain optimistic that some form of new and better system will replace the current society - which I view as getting messier with large internal and external threats to the Western system. If there is a shift and change towards a more masculine system in the United States or Western Europe that will be enough for me, I don't know that the manosphere will become rigid and intolerant, but as Tolkien wrote:

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“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule.”


― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

[Conquerer7]

Have just spent the last hour reading this and taking in the differing viewpoints. The contributions in this thread are outstanding. Would not have guessed from the initial title the outcome would have looked like this

[Dan Woolf]

(06-01-2017 02:59 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

At least I will be a happy old man with grandchildren.

You don't know that yet. You wish. You dream. You hope.

(06-01-2017 02:59 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You can enjoy your augments, implants, and gender reassignment (metaphorically and physically).

I made no mention to augments, implants or gender reassignment. We are done here.

[SamuelBRoberts]

I'm restricting myself from posting too much, but I will say that I find there's a real resemblance between the "Marry even if you know it's a bad deal, life's about taking risks!" crowd to be very similar to the fat acceptance "Eat that cheesecake! You're healthy at any size!" crowd.

When you get diabetes and they have to amputate your foot, the fat acceptance activist isn't going to be there in the room with you. When you get a heart attack because you ate too many cheeseburgers and didn't exercise, and now you can't walk up stairs because your heart is too weak, the fat acceptance activist won't be there to push you around in your wheelchair. They encouraged you, but you made the choice, and you're the one who has to live with the consequences.

In the same way, the "Marry, even if it's a risk!" group won't be there when you're in divorce court. They won't be there when you never see your kids again, or when you're forced into poverty because a judge has "imputed" your income at some level you could never possibly meet, and forced you to make ruinous child support payments. They'll just tell you it was a risk, and you bet wrong. Given what I've seen on other parts of the forum, they'll also tell you that you should've seen warning sign X, and you were dumb for not realizing that warning sign Y was a red flag, so it's mostly your own fault anyway.

Barrel upon barrel of digital ink has been spilled here and in other places about why marriage is a shitty deal for men. It hasn't stopped being a shitty deal, if anything it's even worse now that it was 5 years ago.

[Vaun]

(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

Quoted in full, which bears repeating.

TK - I can respect your clarion call to men to be something more. Do you have children yet? Don't answer, but consider the question. Whether a man does or doesn't have kids greatly influences this decision.

TK my question for you is; are you basing your entire philosophy on the older people you know who are childless in your family? Is that your sample size? Now I know very successful people who are childless, over 50, live remarkable lives. Run companies, employ people, create, travel, enjoy life. More so than most people I know with families.

I see your post as a clarion call to be something more. Which was served up nicely by Fortis' keen observation that the forum has changed remarkably since 2013. Oneitus posts(guilty), LTR posts everyday, Roosh even made an LTR post recently. The forum has changed. "I banged 50 girls now whats it all mean"... Is it an evolution of the manosphere, or of society? Is game really that hard now? Or are we giving up like mgtow.

To me there is no point in an LTR, marriage, babies and all that if its meaningless or a fraud. Meaning, if you are fucking other girls without your wifes consent, you deserve to get divorce raped. Robin Williams style. If the only way you can hold frame over the course of years and decades with the same woman, to keep her loyal, in love and wanting you, is by playing vicious dishonest dread game, then to me marriage is a total farce. A complete and utter waste of time and money, of your lifes energy and your potential as a man. Its fraud, its not "alpha", its the opposite of alpha, its the complete and utter destruction of the fabric of our society. It really means you dont have game. Would I trust that man in business, etc, I am afraid not. And no I dont believe every man does it. The wildly successful married men I know dont.

Getting laid is so fucking easy. You dont prove anything to anyone picking up random girls. Its really only the building block of young men to build self esteem, or older men coming out of long relationships who are shy. Devotion, commitment, and frame that keeps her madly in love with you over time, now that is true mastery. Doing so in todays day and age, with applied skills similar to pick up and game, is probably the most admirable feat a man can pull off. This is not talked about or explored at all. The men that snip know this and aren't trying to fool anyone.

Without true commitment, marriage and building a family is a total joke. If thats what touted now as "having game", then fuck it. I would rather stay single, save my time, money and sanity, and maybe get snipped if thats all I would have to look forward to.

[Dalaran1991]

I see what Vaun is saying, heritage/legacy is usually post-mortem. The guys who built Rome prolly didnt think that they were building the greatest Empire on earth (maybe some did, there are always some idealist. Think Roboute Guilliman). Similarly, our grandfather's grandfather didn't have kids because they were thinking "we need to make kids for the future generations".

So in a way, though spending your effort/money on building a "legacy" might sound very inspiring, it might just end up being redundant. Maybe your "legacy" ends up being a fucking libtard, or a hedonist who will spend money on whores and dope on your behalf. Or maybe he ends up being the guy who colonize Mars, who knows. Nobody knows.

And some would call taking the risk = courage because that's what men do, the truth is that it is only courage if it turns out right. A lot of men will marry and end up divorce raped, a lot of other men will end up siring great sons. But only the latter group would be called "courage". No one would tap the former group in the back in the court room saying "you were courageous taking the risk. Now pay up". Most people would say that he was stupid to get married and "take risk" in the first place.

I think the point Kai makes that is important is that, for men to be happy, they would need some kind of meaning in their life. QC might correct me on this one, but I dont think history and greatness was built on men trying to find a meaning or ideal. History was built on necessity. The Pharaoh built the pyramid because they needed to enjoy their afterlife. Quin Xi Huang built the great wall because he needed to keep the barbarian out. And because they fucking could, just for shit and giggles. Men married because it was a necessity, socially and economically. There was no way you could survive without a family for most of history.

Which brings me to the next point. Necessity changed in our age. For a lot of men it is necessary to NOT get married and get fucked in the ass. And that's exactly what Roman men did during The Fall (read: Eldar Empire). Sure, you guys can say well look at what happen to the Roman, they stopped building families and got wiped out. But it wasn't as if a bunch of Romans decided to follow the old virtues, bunched up, get married and raised kid would stop the fall of the entire Empire. Belisarius did try to get the Roman Byzantine to be badasses again, but after his career is over they just slide back into the decline. Oh, also because of that one bitch.

People have always married out of necessity and convenience. Today in USA, marriage is neither necessary nor convenient.

Which also brings me to the next point: most people get married with the wrong girl. And most people marry when they have no business to be in a marriage. The 1000 cock stare applies to men too. You think Mystery would be a great dad? Or any guy on this forum who has boned 100+ girls would be a great dad, when at the first sight of trouble their first response is "next"?

Reality is, most "players" who want to settle down wouldn't know how to deal with, or keep a good girl if one actually falls on their lap. I'll tell you guys one thing, watching people in ground zero of playerdoom: we redpiller are still spoiled children. We think that with effort we can bone any girl, and any bitch who doesn't get with the program can be nexted. You cant tell these guys to get married Kai / Scorpion, they wouldn't know what to do with a family other than the "go bang girls on the side, it keeps you sane to deal with the bullshit" . Which is neither their fault nor anyone's.

I'm pro-marriage, but I'm struggling to see what is there after the ring and the honeymoon and the kids. And I'm struggling to prepare myself for a life of marriage. The Manosphere does fuck zero to prepare and equip men for this task. And the supply of marriage-worthy women keep shrinking.

Rant finished.

[Leonard D Neubache]

So we have a marriage thread and a surrogate vasectomy thread and at least one is bleeding heavily into the other.

This one in particular has turned into an unmitigted fuckfest because people are yelling and chest thumping without the slightest frame of reference, since the OP is nothing more than an article about some dudes getting snipped so they don't get sperm-jacked.

So you've got chest thumping about how vasectomies are the end of Western civilisation and that having one is akin to declaring yourself AWOL from the neo-patriarchy movement. Then you've got guys leapfrogging that to say that if you don't get married then you're beta and you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be able to get a decent woman at 50. Then someone else says that getting married is beta because you'll get divorce raped and your kids will be sold to Barbary pirates, which is why you need a vasectomy.

Someone says "vasectomies are a rejection of manhood" and then fails to tell us how many condoms they've gone through, how many times they've pulled out to come, how many times they've "wasted" their seed on a woman using birth control and how many times they've failed to ensure their ONS didn't take a morning-after pill. We have to assume that this crowd is either celibate or they have in the vicinity of 100 kids or more.

Then you have people lecturing others about family values without giving any indication about how old they are themselves, how many sluts they've fucked before they settled down, and indeed aren't even bothering to qualify their derision specifically where it relates to whether they're talking to men who are 30 years old and single or guys that just graduated from high school.

This bullshit is like a fistfight in the dark.

[Vaun]

(06-02-2017 06:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

This bullshit is like a fistfight in the dark.

Yeah it is for the most part. But to clarify my point, it is that if you are going to be a "warrior of procreation," not get snipped or "give in to the feminist agenda by neutering yourself", and start a family, get married so you wont "die alone and be miserable", why not take it all the way and actually have a true marriage rather than a fake one built on aesthetics so often proposed here. To me these opinions are largely based on limited life experience or world view, of only knowing a few single childless losers above the age of 50. The people I know in that description are some of the happiest, wealthiest and healthiest people I know. Far more than 95% of married people. I can guarantee you, based on experience, that if you spend a lifetime with a woman that you cheat on, she will not be at your deathbed, nor will your kids. And it will probably be an early deathbed with some psychosomatic concoction, cooked up over decades of living with someone that wants to slice your throat every for cheating on her.

If the only way of keeping your married women interested is fucking other women, you dont have relationship game, you have inevitable disaster in your life. So why go through that? To not look like a fag? So yes, if preventing that scenario is important, I am going to protect myself, and take the act of marriage more seriously. If this sounds man up to you, so be it. If we rail against society and want it to change, the only way is to start with ourselves first. Bring it full circle; dont get snipped, create solid families, build legacy, change society.

*I am not calling anyone out here, but talking high level. If you want to pick a fight about it, I wont.

[Leonard D Neubache]

My personal stance is this.

Your 20's are for fucking around. If you don't mind using condoms then use condoms. If you just have to fuck raw then consider the vasectomy, since chances of a reversal are good and on the off chance it doesn't work then you do IVF and maybe get a "slow swimmer" or two. Not the end of the fucking world.

You round the bend into 30 and you start to look for a decent woman to have your kids. If you're not a broke, gameless fuckup you should be able to get a good looking wife your age or a plain one in her early 20's. I'd suggest the latter. Plain girls are low risk. Go for a bod that will age well and fuck her in low-light. At this point your concern is for healthy kids and a wife that's not going to turn ten kinds of ugly after having them.

If you don't want to get married or have kids, don't get married or have kids. You are not obligated to sacrifice your hopes and dreams on the altar of a western revival. But if you don't want to get married, for fucks sake, stop bitching about how marriage is a bad deal and stop ridiculing people who take a calculated risk to undertake the things that are important to them.

It's just fucking annoying.

[Vill@in]

Leonard laying it down as always^

I have older friends who are childless and unhappy. I also have friends that are married, stuck with wives that get fatter every year (and they do too) and they will tell you they are happy but you can see that 'dead' look inside their eyes. I also have older friends who are single and loving life.

Some of us who are older have done the 'Marriage and kids' thing and it didn't work out. Were we not ALPHA enough? Maybe. Did we not pick the right woman? Maybe. Maybe she changed somewhere along the way, with the help of our current society telling her...fuck ENCOURAGING her, to change into a 'modern' woman. We are fighting an uphill battle. This isn't saying to give up the fight, but some of us have rushed that hill and gave it our best shot. Now we want to enjoy the rest of our lives however we may see fit. Don't hate your fellow man because his desires are different than yours.

"Judge not, lest you be judged"

[Dan Woolf]

I'm a young guy, I admit that, but I find it perplexing how people here and on /pol/ approach these things like everything is going to stay the same in the next few decades. It's like my teacher in elementary school 20 years ago saying that "you need to learn to do math in your head because you can't just carry a calculator in your pocket!"

Some guy compared complete age reversal to taking TRT and getting a gender reassignment surgery. We have a thread about this on this very forum:

thread-36956.html



Then there's automation, robots, self-driving cars etc. We have a a few threads about those too:

thread-39175.html
thread-56282.html

Then there's artificial intelligence:

thread-62377.html

And then there's sex bots, artificial wombs, genetic engineering and plethora of other shit that you don't have to like or endorse, but that WILL happen sooner or later. And that's only the technological side of things, there's demographic and social changes, too. Our Politics forum is a great source for that and when it comes to social changes, there's a great thread on the Game forum:

thread-7528.html

People are still approaching this like it was the 50's or something. You know, get a 9-5 job by giving firm handshake to the boss at the factory, have a little ficki ficki in your youth, find a girl to marry, take a mortgage together, pump out a few kids, take care of those kids, then the kids grow up and find a job for themselves, then you retire from that same factory and get a golden watch, and then you grow old together with your wife, both of your bodies going to shit little by little every day until you look like this:



And then you die.

But that very likely won't be the case for people who are young right now.

[rudebwoy]

^What will be the case for the young right now?

[Dan Woolf]

(06-02-2017 09:24 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^What will be the case for the young right now?

I don't know that. Nobody knows that.

How will it change our lives when +50% of people lose their jobs and don't have the skills to get one of the few that are left? What will that do to the economy? How will it change our lives when old people get rejuvenated back to their physical prime and everyone stays young for as long as they live? How will the eventual creation of super artificial intelligence change our lives or will we even have lives after that? How will it change our lives when Western Europe becomes majority Muslim? Impossible to say.

I'm just saying that statements like "you can't get young girls when you are 50, stop hamstering" or "if you won't have kids, you'll die alone" reek of lack of outside the box thinking and I expect more from a forum like this.

[Quintus Curtius]

I love this place.

[Fortis]

As a guy who is a big proponent of anti-aging tech (I have actual skin in the game), I think certain men (Not just Dan) are being very dismissive of aging out of the game.

Kai outlined this well, but I think many guys are not accounting for the fact that places like Ukraine, Thailand, Philipines are going to become wealthier and the locals will begin to edge out travelers as far as dating goes. I have already begun to see this. In Southern China I'd almost go so far as to say that beyond getting you a casual introduction to a woman, being foreign does that matter as much as it sounds like it did 15-20 years ago. Now, I'm not complaining since I never had it totally easy in China but I think guys who are expecting to play the field for 50 years and then suddenly settle down are going to be very surprised by how limited their options are. It's almost like trying to live out the feminist dream (i'll do what I want forever and society had better accept me) as a man.

Barring a select few super high performing apex alphas, I simply don't know many old dudes (50+) who are running hardline night, day, online game that doesn't involve some sort of P4p/sugar daddy element.

We all know that one dude who's dad was like 40-45 when he was born. Dad never got to really rough house or do all the manly man stuff with him that a younger dad would have. Sure, maybe if you're shooting up boatloads of GH, Test and you have implants, proton pump inhibitors and all this other shit out of the wazoo you might be able to function on the level of a healthy 30-year-old when you're 55+, but I sincerely doubt most of us are going to be ballin out of control on that level to afford all that expensive bleeding edge tech.

This is like when old text books from the 70s were saying we'd have flying cars and shit by 2000. You can assume all you like but the reality is that we may not get that far when it comes to AFFORDABLE anti-aging tech by the time you are old enough to need it. At the end of the day, all this anti-aging shit will probably never rival the power of youth.

Sure, you can wave your hand dismissively and say "medical tech will be able to fix that" but I think the decline in masculine energy is a real concern for would be old dads and I don't think saying "i am going to be different" is much of a defense.

How many old, lonely feminists said that same shit when they were busy riding the carousel back in the 70s.

Again, this isn't to say "you better get married or you'll die alone" but I think guys really need to consider what it is that you want. Unfortunately, having a family requires a sacrifice and a leap of faith. Yes, the marriage market is a huge raw deal for western men, but isn't waiting 30 years and hoping for a societal change that may never come also a rawer deal?

Like I already said though, if you aren't having kids then this thread should not trigger you all that much.

If you want to have kids, better start planning that shit now.

If you're undecided like me, then ponder a bit more, but don't ponder too much.