[Fortis]

[Quintus Curtius]

Point well taken, Kai.

I should not have made a blanket statement like "never get married." I actually do believe in marriage, and think society should be encouraging it. A better way to express myself would have been to say: "Make informed decisions after gathering all the information you can, and then go with your best instinct."

[BassPlayaYo]

(05-31-2017 11:22 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Point well taken, Kai.

I should not have made a blanket statement like "never get married." I actually do believe in marriage, and think society should be encouraging it. A better way to express myself would have been to say: "Make informed decisions after gathering all the information you can, and then go with your best instinct."

I don't understand how any man in the USA would get married to a woman without means, the deal NEVER works out in their favor when things go south. The "contract" is not in the best interest of the man except in very rare cases where the woman makes vastly more money. the Marriage contract in the USA is a win for women not a win for men.

[eljeffster]

Quote:

You and I both know all of this to be true re: the true nature of men and women, and it is for these reasons that the clock is not going to rewind. The artificial limitations are gone and they simply are not going to come back. Women don't want them. Men don't really want them (even those many among the bottom 80%) and the world we live in is not equipped to have them.


At some point, I think people need to accept that the genie is not going back into the bottle.

I disagree with the premise I have bolded out above. I think that it is limited by the idea that the clock can't undwind, or the genie can't go back into the bottle. I submit that this idea of a static social fabric (or unidirectional social fabric) is incorrect.

Look at Sweden or other parts of Europe where, unless something is done, in the next few generations the clock will rewind on the current "equality" status. Already in Sweden women who are "equal" in every where in one of the most egalitarian modern societies ever created are afraid to go out after dark and are changing their behavior accordingly. How long before they give themselves and their liberties up for strong men to protect them if things continue to get worse.

Society and history are not static or unidirectional. Progressives (not saying you) try to convince us that everything flows in one direction, but they fail to see that civilizations can and do fall, societies can an do go through radical changes from within or because of external stimuli. Gays have the right to marry in the United States, but it wasn't so only a couple of years ago and it may not be so again.

Women may never willingly give up the right to vote in Western societies, but with the way things are going, doesn't mean that someone might not just take it from them. Women will go back to home and hearth if men demand them to.

That is the essence of game. A man creates a reality of feeling and emotion that becomes real when a women falls into his frame. It becomes real. A group of men create a social reality that becomes real when females fall into their societal frame.

Isn't that the direction we have been headed with neomasculinity and the shifts in this forum from individualized game to greater social and philosophical discussions?

We are taking game from and individual level where a woman surrenders herself to your frame, and moving to a social level of combined meta-game to restore or create something different in society (neomasculine patriarchy, benevolent patriarchy, a kingdom of Alphas holding back a sea of limp-wristed weaklings and gargantuan girls?)

[eljeffster]

(05-31-2017 10:51 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 09:24 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

There are better alternatives than letting some retard in a white mask snipped off the very essence of my manhood (just visualizing that gives me chills).

I was scheduled to get snipped myself in January. I have two children already from previous relationships, so my goal was to get fixed and fuck whores until I'm 90. Or, God willing, 95.

But a week before the procedure I chickened out. I just could not imagine being sterile. Losing my "essence of manhood" like you put it scared me to the core. I don't want anymore kids, and I don't intend to have anymore. But just knowing that I can change my mind on that is comforting (albeit monetarily stupid).

Both sides make compelling arguments, and I'm not going to pretend I know the right answer. However I must say it is a delight to have a place where we can discuss this very issue in depth with only the best interests of our fellow man in mind.

Remember that next time you cum on her face, millions of little sperms wriggling all over her. Tell her to rub it in, and when her friends ask why her skin is so smooth she tells them oil of O-leigh.

[azulsombra]

(05-31-2017 10:59 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

Kids don't always look out for their parents, it's a romantic notion but in reality it's probably 50/50 and that's being generous given the state of the society we live in. I have a brother who busted his ass to provide for 4 kids and they don't even call him on fathers day. I say if it works for them fine, that's one thing they don't have to worry about.

Great point.

A lot of people fantasize about children that will be superloyal to them in some distant future of 2055 or beyond, when they literally have no clue. In the Anglosphere its been rare to get the three generations under one roof kumbaya family structure since at least the 90s (some immigrant groups being the exception).

How many elderly people in nursing homes right now had the same optimistic views and were positive that their progeny would stand by their side, " as long as I raise'em right" ? It all amounts to a roll of the dice in the end.

Many people willing accept that the current culture is poisonous and has corrupted the majority of women. But their children raised in the same culture will be some how completely immune. Obviously you lead them, limit exposure to degeneracy as much as possible but with current technology and laws, how succesful will that be if you reside in the West?

[Vill@in]

(05-31-2017 12:36 PM)eljeffster Wrote:  

Remember that next time you cum on her face, millions of little sperms wriggling all over her. Tell her to rub it in, and when her friends ask why her skin is so smooth she tells them oil of O-leigh.

I like to cum in her mouth and then say: "Gargle my soldiers, you dirty little slut."

I can't say that if I ain't got no soldiers.

No man should deny himself the chance to do this.

[heavy]

(05-30-2017 06:38 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

...
This is a toxic idea. It is an idea that could only flourish in a dying culture.
...

The feminist calls these men horrible.

The men's rights activist calls these men heros.

The philosopher says this is the sign of a dying culture.

[Gambler]

That's really a hillarious thread title.

[TigerMandingo]

As I'm reading this thread I'm thinking about how to crash one of these Hamptons get-togethers and bang some of those high-class bitches. I wonder if they have some sort of security at these parties? Probably.

Point is, I need a sugar mama.

[Quintus Curtius]

When all is said and done, you've got to have sense of humor and a healthy zest for life.

You could end up stepping on a land mine no matter what you do. Everything in life entails risks. If you get married, it's a risk. If you are not married, it's a risk. But even when I've failed at something, I did not regret doing it.

All you can do is try to decide what it is you want out of life, and do that. Do what you want, not what someone else wants. Sometimes in life, you have to take leaps of faith. You'll still be better off than the timid person who never even tried.

Nobody has a rose garden. A lot of single people are miserable. A lot of married people are also miserable. Everyone thinks the other guy has a great deal. Being single is no protection against life's minefields. And being married is no guarantee that someone will take care of you in your old age, either.

But everyone pays his dues, believe me.

Otto Von Bismarck had a great expression for this. He called it "rolling the Iron Dice."

.

[Dalaran1991]

(05-31-2017 01:05 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

A lot of people fantasize about children that will be superloyal to them in some distant future of 2055 or beyond, when they literally have no clue. In the Anglosphere its been rare to get the three generations under one roof kumbaya family structure since at least the 90s (some immigrant groups being the exception).

How many elderly people in nursing homes right now had the same optimistic views and were positive that their progeny would stand by their side, " as long as I raise'em right" ? It all amounts to a roll of the dice in the end.

Many people willing accept that the current culture is poisonous and has corrupted the majority of women. But their children raised in the same culture will be some how completely immune. Obviously you lead them, limit exposure to degeneracy as much as possible but with current technology and laws, how succesful will that be if you reside in the West?

All these talk about children raise a huge dilemma.

My parents, as most Asian parents, are not the best at raising a child to be an interesting ladykiller, but they certainly gave us everything so that we could have the best chance at life.

They did all they could so that both my sister and I become the pinnacle of success for my country. My sister is 40 and already retired as she got fuck you rich in finance and real estate, and now lives in Canada. I got the "intelectual" reputation and now settles in Paris. That's more than any middle class Asian parents could hope for.

That said, i dont think they are happy. While they are very very proud of us, we both now live in the other side of the country. I see them maybe once a year at most. My sister even less.

What's more, each of us really got on with our lives and as busy as lives in the Western world could be, we grow all the more distant from my parents, both physically and emotionally.

When I think about it, it makes me incredibly sad because deep down I really love my parents for what they have done for us. But in the same time there's not much we could do as we keep growing so different, living in different cultures. I cringe of the day they get weak and old, because there's no fucking way I'm putting them in a nursing home, but it's not like I can abandon my life and everything in France to come live in Vietnam and take care of them. Neither can my sister.

So by wanting the best for your children, this might mean you will end up being distant to them.

So there you have it. Even if you do raise your children "right", there's no guarantee. It just doesn't work that way. My girlfriend loves her mom deeply, but as soon as she graduates she would also be leaving the city, so her mom will be alone.

And here I thought, my girl's mom gave all her life for her 3 daughters. She was divorced and never remarried, didn't even asked for one cent from her ex-husband. Her whole life involved going to work, going back home making dinner for her children, go to sleep, then go to work again. I know a good mother when I see one, and knowing her sisters (both of which are equally beautiful but non-promiscuous girls) I had no fucking idea how the fuck she did to raise them right, as a single mom in fucking festard Paris.

And yet for all of that, her 3 daughters are all about to leave her in a few years, each having their own direction in life. And you are fucking left alone, with no husband no lover, no nothing. There's the Parisian sluts that you pump and dump, then there are women like this one. Not saying she is a saint, but if I ever marry these are the qualities I look for.

You give everything to your children, they love you and vice versa. In the end you still end up fucking alone.


Like QC said, not having children is a huge risk, having children is also a huge risk. Fuck thinking about this late night aint good for my sanity.

[Highpool]

(05-30-2017 04:55 PM)Repo Wrote:  

No, concealing your identity is not easy when using social circle game. Unless if your lays are coming from random approaches or tinder, concealing it can be a full time job. So much info is out there on the internet, and these hoes are pros at finding out this kind of stuff.

It can be done, but its alot of work and easy to slip up.

Cold approach under fake name, find your way into her social circle works.

But if it's a social circle where someone knows your real identity, keep it in your pants.

[Repo]

Then always pay with cash, don't ever run into any of your friends, never take her home, never get ID'd anywhere you go, have a burner phone not linked to any social media, only take her to places where the staff doesn't know your name, don't ever use your own car, hope that no one in her social circle doesn't know anyone in yours or know you, never tell her where you work, probably like 20 other things I haven't thought of, and then after all is done still not be 100% sure if you have fooled her or she is playing along.

Then what? You get to fuck her, but her pussy doesn't give you magic powers, and then its over and she is just a memory.

I would assume that if you actually have something to lose, your time is more valuable than that.

[BassPlayaYo]

(06-01-2017 08:46 AM)Repo Wrote:  

Then always pay with cash, don't ever run into any of your friends, never take her home, never get ID'd anywhere you go, have a burner phone not linked to any social media, only take her to places where the staff doesn't know your name, don't ever use your own car, hope that no one in her social circle doesn't know anyone in yours or know you, never tell her where you work, probably like 20 other things I haven't thought of, and then after all is done still not be 100% sure if you have fooled her or she is playing along.

Then what? You get to fuck her, but her pussy doesn't give you magic powers, and then its over and she is just a memory.

I would assume that if you actually have something to lose, your time is more valuable than that.

This is secret agent game...The question becomes is the pussy worth it?

[Dan Woolf]

(06-01-2017 08:46 AM)Repo Wrote:  

Then always pay with cash, don't ever run into any of your friends, never take her home, never get ID'd anywhere you go, have a burner phone not linked to any social media, only take her to places where the staff doesn't know your name, don't ever use your own car, hope that no one in her social circle doesn't know anyone in yours or know you, never tell her where you work, probably like 20 other things I haven't thought of, and then after all is done still not be 100% sure if you have fooled her or she is playing along.

Then what? You get to fuck her, but her pussy doesn't give you magic powers, and then its over and she is just a memory.

I would assume that if you actually have something to lose, your time is more valuable than that.

You forgot: don't ever become famous for anything. If your name and photo appear in any sort of media at any point in the future (or even the past), you might get recognized.

[Fortis]

This forum fascinates me so deeply at times.

I remember 3 years ago how 90% of us were not trying to get wifed up or anything, now I'd say we have such a large conservative contingent that you are almost expected to tout the "get married, keep your wife in the kitchen and knocked up" line. Very interesting.

I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just interesting to see how this forum's culture and ethics have evolved over time. The forum is undergoing the lifecycle of a player that Cernovich detailed years ago.

That said, I ultimately think it's up to you to decide what you want. I cannot, at this juncture, see myself enjoying being married and having kids. I love working with kids and I enjoy my relationships with women, but that's not a bridge I'm willing to cross.

I encourage the guys who want to save western culture to get cracking at that now since the best time to start raising solid boys into men is right now. Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options.


As far as getting snipped goes, that's a deeply personal decision that I don't think I can prescribe or proscribe. It's simply something that would have to be approached with great circumspection. I do know some men who are genuinely happy with the idea that they don't have to worry about having kids and a family, but such men are rare and they are not exactly always the best role models since they are often defective or massively talented in a way that would influence them to have no interest in the usual family formation scheme.

Either way, I would not allow pressure for or against a family to influence my decision. Running the numbers, I honestly could not tell a woman I am ready to lead a family. It'd be bullshit and it would show.

On the same token, don't let the forum tell you that you shouldn't have a family if that's what you really want since you should be pursuing what you want now instead of later. People who say they're going to start a business in 10 years often never start a business in my experience and I suspect the same is for guys who say they'll eventually get around to starting a family since a family is a similar, albeit more profound, investment.

On the question of corruption from the West. Sometimes when guys start harping on and on about this it makes me roll my eyes.

Honestly, it's a bit overblown at times. Sure, the West is corrupt, but I think it's a bit weak to just throw your hands up and say "but I can't possibly raise a kid who won't be corrupted!"

Imagine if roosh had thought that about this forum: "I can't possibly make a forum where men can congregate and learn! Fuck it!, the feminists wouldn't approve and they're too powerful! I'm shutting it down! (((they)))) are too powerful."

Of course, I'm being a little facetious, but the way that dudes whine about how they can't guarantee that they'll have kids who take care of them is the same sort of whining I see when dudes used to come on this forum, like the infamous IRT, and say that unless we can guarantee them results that they'd never bother learning game.

Shit man, I can't even guarantee that I'll be alive tomorrow, should I just give up living and breathing too? A little introspection never hurt anyone, but don't let fear rule your life.

Remember the great words of the Bene Gesserit:

"fear is the family killer"

[Dan Woolf]

(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options

Had to check what forum this is.

[Fortis]

(06-01-2017 11:03 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options

Had to check what forum this is.

Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

[The Beast1]

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:03 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options

Had to check what forum this is.

Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

[Fortis]

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:03 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options

Had to check what forum this is.

Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

[Dan Woolf]

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:03 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Hell, if you are serious about a family, then you should probably be doing that now as opposed to later since you're only going to age and your choices will become narrower.

I have an older cousin who is experiencing this. he is one of the best players that I know and he built an awesome location independent career where he is in and out of Asia on a whim but he recently confided in me that he wishes he had gotten married about 7 years ago when he was still in his thirties and had better wife options

Had to check what forum this is.

Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

[TravelerKai]

(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:03 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

Had to check what forum this is.

Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

[J_Sway]

The timing of this discussion is perfect. I haven't posted in quite a while because I lost the login info for my old username and putzed around about getting it fixed. In the end, Roosh just told me to make a new one, and the day it goes live this thread pops up.

I was just talking with TravelerKai and Fortis about this recently. This very topic is a large part of what is wrong with the manosphere at the moment. TravelerKai and scorpion made most of the same points I would make, but there are a couple things specifically that must be addressed.

I understand where these dudes are coming from. There was a time when I was actively considering and saving up to get a vasectomy. At the same time, however, my world view was very nihilistic. Cr33pin refers to it as my Napalm J period. I was soaked in booze, hated the world, and felt like the only thing it deserved was a global napalm bomb to force a reset on humanity. For those same reasons, getting a vasectomy seemed like the best idea. Why the hell would I want to bring a new life into a fucked up place such as this? Suffice to say, laying off the booze for a while, clearing my head up, and focusing on my health had a huge effect on my perspective.

Since then, I look at this way of doing things as misguided at best. At worst, it's extremely nihilistic and dangerous to future generations. Sure, there are some people, men and women both, who were just simply never meant to have kids. Barring those few, however, there is a whole world out there of men who should be starting families, raising kids, and building a better future. If we, as men who claim to have taken the redpill, support and encourage this kind of behavior, then we are terrible ambassadors for our movement.

What the manosphere needs are fathers, not just biological fathers, but spiritual fathers. Mentors and role models guiding the way towards a better future where family, loyalty, respect, and appreciation for life are the cornerstones of society. Encouraging strong, intelligent, viable young men to run out and get snipped because "we're all fucked anyway" is the exact opposite of that. It's typical MGTOW, blackpill, irresponsible bullshit dressed up in the guise of "redpill wisdom". Preaching pre-emptive self genocide is not wisdom, it's goddamned foolishness. It's certainly not fatherhood. It's the old, fat, angry, alcoholic uncle that never leaves his lazyboy and talks all day about how the world would be if he were running it.

As for scorpion's remarks regarding trashy gold-digging whores, well, he's right. I'll be the first to agree that men are naturally wired to run out and plug holes, and there's a time and a place for that. As men, and especially men who spend a great deal of time pontificating about the whores and their cock-carousel riding ways, perhaps we would be wise to listen to our own words and be a bit more choosy about what we stick our dick in. Rather than letting the lizard brain run wild and dive into hedonism full bore, we should use our evolved intellect and reasoning skills and practice some self-control. We should also be more discerning about the women we choose to spend time with, no matter the status or label of the relationship. Stop encouraging whorish behavior and over the years the trend will swing back towards a more wholesome picture of femininity and womanhood. But we can't expect that to ever happen if we're out there turning every fresh cute face into our best rendition of a Jackson Pollock painting. Wishful thinking? Maybe, but I'm much more of an idealist when I'm not pickling my liver every day.

Regarding kids, I've come full circle back to where I was before all the booze. Having recently married and soon to be on the downhill slope to 40, the prospect excites me. It gives me chills to know that I will someday have the shared responsibility of molding a fresh new mind and soul, and shaping it to be the best man or woman they could possibly be for our future. But that wouldn't be possible if I had not been honest with myself about what I wanted and used that as a guide for discerning whether my wife was the right fit. I looked at everything, her friends, her family, her habits, her work, etc. Having come from a very tight knit family, I knew that was something I wanted to emulate when I started my own. Point is, you absolutely must know your own values before you can start looking for a mate, and saying they're all lying whores or cum dumpsters and running out and getting snipped is a cop-out, an easy way to get out of doing the real work of self-assessment, discernment, and taking on a higher level of responsibility.

And if you're worried about your kids not being there for you when you're old, well, you have to model the behavior you want to see in your children. Working your ass off to the point that your kids never see your face or feel your touch is not "being there for them", it is providing for them financially, and there's a huge difference. When I was growing up, my father worked his ass off, but he was home nearly every day at 5pm and would drag my ass out of the house to do chores and random farmwork. He was a hardass, for sure, and there were times we didn't get along well, but he was home every day, so his presence was felt. We also visited my grandparents every other weekend. My father and grandfather didn't have a great relationship, but my dad made a point to go see them at least twice a month. The same went for my mother's family. Sure, some people don't live close enough to be able to do that, but phone calls, letters, emails, pictures, can suffice. I live on the opposite side of the world from my family and I still call them at least once a month, visit once a year if possible, and would drop everything in a moment's notice if they needed me back for something. My wife and I go to her parent's for dinner every other weekend, a habit we established and committed to long before we ever got married. The behavior you model to your kids is, for the most part, what you will see them repeat down the line. Be a good model and let the rest work itself out.

I meandered a bit there, so to bring it back home, encouraging and supporting this kind of behavior goes right back to what I said about modeling. We should not be encouraging or modeling this type of behavior because all it does is destroy and dismantle the very work we are, or at least should be trying to do, and that is: Encourage and empower men to be great leaders and fathers for future generations.

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(06-01-2017 12:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:45 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  



Keep telling yourself that you'll pull 20 year olds as a 50 year old dude and that you'll have no problem wifing one up.

At best, he might be able to snag a late 20s/ early 30s gal with a bad case of baby rabbies. Still, it's funny to see those continue to try!

Silly Beast, the only thing in this life that matters is being afraid of "western corruption" and desperately sticking your dick in any hole that comes along because you're too dead on the inside to realize that you never grew with the times.

Funny coming from a guy who doesn't take into account rejuvenation therapies and other goodies coming our way. It's going to be about quarter of a century before I reach 50, A LOT will change between then and now.

A high testosterone 50 year old hamster is still a hamster.

Unless you leave the country, you aren't keeping anything hot @20 that is not a blatant golddigger. Like Beast said, babies rabies late 20s at best and 30s mostly. Bitch might even bounce when you get too old.

Why do you want to chase ass nonstop until you get too old to do it? That last 10-20 years won't be pleasant at all. I got relatives in their 50s that did this. None of them are happy. In fact, they are miserable and have loads of issues, that are obviously related to the lack of relationship with women and not having children. In fact I notice large differences between my uncles that have more than one child and the ones that just have one child, divorces aside. The ones that have grandchildren are more mentally/emotionally stable than the ones that do not.

Do you really want the exact same lifestyle at 20 and 30 all the way to 50? If you do, you will probably have some life goal failures and regrets. I'm sure Fortis does not want to be banging the same ol hoes with the same ol money he has at 50. I bet most men on the forum do not want that either if you press them for the truth without fear of not looking cool around the other forum guys. It's going to take alot more effort to do the same if not better when you are past your peak.

Reliance on science is weak and not masculine. Your mentality should be that you can kick ass, grab ass, hold class, and call shots butt fucking naked. TRT is not the answer to everything. If it was, all of us would be getting the shots, and all the stupid oneitis threads would magically drop off the forum, maybe the forum wouldn't exist. You don't need tools to be a man. You were a red blooded man before any tools existed. We as men make tools to make the life experience just easier to live through. We do not lean on the tools as a crutch. If a nuclear war broke out, the real men would survive, and all the pussyfied ones that need an iphone to do everything will not. It would be apparent very quickly.

Using TRT as a crutch to play around like an immature 20 year old fulfills the feminists talking points that TRT is for old men that want to play like children. Don't fulfill that false prophecy.

Guys like you are in this mess because you refused to invest in people itself. You invest in money that you cannot take with you after you die. Where is all this money you accumulate going by the way? The the state? A dog or cat? (The state), some stripper or a whore (on handbags and dope)? I doubt you are going to find one of the talented young men on the forum and give it to them to give them a boost to start a business. You will do what every other degenerate male does. You will throw it away on whores. Why feed the beast? Why spit on your inheritance? It's a major dishonor to throw your inheritance away on pigs. It needs to go to your children so that they can improve upon what you did. Whores will ALWAYS find a way to take money from weak men. Always.

Lastly, I used to warn you older cats in the Manosphere for years about how, especially in Asia, the more dudes coming over, the harder it will be to obtain and keep quality. Market forces are still market forces, regardless of how much game you have. The pickings will get slimmer over time and plenty guys are whining about it on the travel section, even if half of them are banned trolls. I even see whining about Poland these days. Wasn't like that 5 years ago or when Roosh was there. Things can change quickly.

This delusion needs to stop. You are playing cards with house money and the house always wins. If you aren't ready for the next level, then say so, no one here minds that, but don't lie about the reality.

This is some MOFO real talk....nuclear.....