[Roardog]

Clearly OP doesn't have much of a background in mathematics because this is easily explained by the fact that attractiveness is a normal distribution. Like IQ or athletic ability.
That is the vast majority of people are around the mean (5), making most people in the 4-6 range with an ever diminishing number of people in the ranges further from the mean.
So just like you have very few geniuses (IQ) you also have few 8's and very few 9's and 10's in the overall population.
So we should expect 8+'s to be scarce.

That being said, it can of course be skewed by location and/or industry. For example places like the aforementioned Miami or LA tend to attract higher attractiveness people which skews the distribution in those locations. Same for attractiveness focused industries like fashion or elite sports.

In conclusion, if you want to find more 8+'s you need to move to places or be involved in industries that skew towards higher attractiveness.

[Banna]

(10-02-2018 08:10 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

"I want a 6 or 7 that's nice and not a 9 that's high maintance"

That is so fucking bullshit. Stop having limiting beliefs. There are plenty of 8-9's that are fucking awesome girls. I'd bet there are a higher percentage of 8-9's that are cool and nice than 6-7's simply because of this bullshit. 6's are hit on more than 9's because dudes in general are pussies. They have much higher bitch shields and for the most part think they're much hotter than they are.

Become a 7-10, and find an 8-10. Stop limiting your mindset.

Pro tip: Go to small college towns in the US. Lots of super cute white girls that have no idea how hot they are, and you get a bonus for being someone not from bumfuck nowhere.

To each their own. I'm not spending a boatload of energy to find some obsession to corner a 8.5 - 10 woman.

A 8.5 - 10 woman in my opinion is a girl in the 19 - 24 age bracket. They're ALL obsessed with that social media bullshit I find revolting. Posting all sorts of snapchat/IG self validating videos of themselves.

I can't sit here and fake it and pretend I'm a fan of that attention whoring stuff because she's a 8+. Just can't.

I'm soon to be 43 and I'm realistically pragmatic. This target range of woman as time passes gets less and less accepting of me. Maybe for others who are younger it's different. Of course I go to the gym and stay in pretty good shape and can fuck one of them from time to time.

The best overall girl I had lately I'd rate at best a 7 in looks.....she was a throwback to women of yesteryear. From a tiny countryside village overseas. Was submissive in every facet...in the kitchen, in the bedroom and pretty anywhere i took her. Was hardly ever on her phone at all and had little to no social media interaction. And when it was, it was checking up on old friends back home.

I'm okay with that kind of woman than holding out for the odd 9. Outside of the major spots like NYC/Miami/LA it's not even like places are overrun by 8+ looking women anyways. In Toronto there's quite a few by my personal tastes....but they require a LOT overall.

No disrespect to anyone on this forum but i highly doubt any guy on Roosh is steadily slaying 8s, 9s, or has a constant harem of them that he treats sexually like he's changing his clothes daily. No matter how great his game is.

Thats reserved for next level celebrity (Di Caprio) professional athlete (Cristiano Ronaldo, Lewis Hamilton, Neymar) oligarch stuff (wealthy Russian tycoon) type people.

[Banna]

(05-28-2017 11:11 AM)MechaArcanine Wrote:  

(05-26-2017 05:09 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Here's one:

https://www.instagram.com/annelisejr/?hl=en

She looks to be a slightly above average, very late's 30's or early 40's woman, who takes glamour shots and has underwent some cosmetic procedures. At best, after photoshopping she would be an 8 on paper (literally in print only). Real life, in person, maybe a 6 and a half.

She's not my type at all.

Halloween night last year I was out decked on my costume and this girl:

laura_jareckas

Came up to me and said...."Ohhh can I get a pic with you?"

She's like 8.5 -9 to me.....(I like my girls taller like 5'10 so no short girl can be a 10 to me lol). But she could definitely get it.

So I instinctively asked her for her # and she takes my phone and enters her info. Unbeknownst to me it was actually her IG page and not her actual #. She says: "I don't give guys my #". I didn't even have IG at the time so I clicked the link to see what was there.

Her page got like 1000s of odd "followers" and all these blatant "you wish you could have this....dont cha?" attention whoring poses/videos. I'm actually surprised the page wasn't on "private" status. It seems a lot of people there you need to gain acceptance just to be able to view their pages....maddness!

That's the kind of nonsense I can't be bothered with when it comes to the upper echelon looks of women when I talk of driving a Ferrari (9) vs a cheaper Corvette or Nissan 350z that still has sex appeal/performance/less maintenance (7).

If I get to drive a Ferrari.(like a 9 girl falling in my lap, o ain't turning it down)....sweet. But I'm not fixated by it while driving a Corvette.

I'll say I've mostly closed 7s in my life (when i was younger looking back.....even less, lol) and a rare 8.

Good luck to ever has the game or bankroll to close her. Can't be bothered.

[Tactician]

G Manifesto is real. It took a lot of strength to not type that in all caps.

Most would not be humble enough to admit this.

Because of the G Manifesto, I

Go for naked Open Ocean swims near a Village by the Sea (Vancouver is like a big village)
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As for hotties, I find the wealthier the demographic, the hotter the girls present on average. This is due to wealthier girls looking hotter because of genetics + better diet + access to cosmetics / cosmetic procedures & also because hot girls in general gravitate towards wealth.

This applies on both a micro and macro scale.

On a macro scale, the more affluent cities & parts of town will have more hot girls vs regular girls than the tier 2 & 3 cities. E.g. New York gender ratios. Same with vacation spots.

On the micro level, go to art or charity events or places where people with money congregate (up until the demographics become old). At a minimum, the staff will be better looking. They aren't going to hire unattractive waitresses.

College is the great equalizer, yes, but even here 1st tier colleges will have more hotties than 2nd and 3rd tier ones.
I'm not so much talking about Ivy League as I am talking about state college vs community college.
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Being around wealth is very important in terms of ratios, but you still need game.
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One solid tip that has nothing to do with wealth: Make friends with a hot girl and meet her other girl friends. Provide value and be someone that people want to meet. Birds of the same feather flock together and girls of a similar attractiveness tend to congregate.

The rest is up to you.

[DonnyGately]

Saying ALL girls under 25 are obsessed with social media is just dumb. Girls are deleting that shit faster than ever before, hell, I'm banging 2 college girls that don't even have FB or IG installed on their phones. And it seems nobody really uses Snap anymore.

As someone else said, a lot of self-limiting beliefs going on in this thread. Girls that's aren't dumb bimbo thots don't have lives that revolve around Insta. Whether they're a 7 or a 9.

[pk9090]

(05-26-2017 02:28 PM)Drazen Wrote:  

Morning: Yoga Classes, Spin Class, Coffee shops, Hiking, Getting Coffee and Avocado Toast

Afternoon: Shopping at high end stores, Art Galleries

Night: Expensive/Trendy restaurants having dinner with their girlfriends. Followed by the VIP section in a nightclub or a private party. Or they stay home and do absolutely nothing (watch Netflix, play with their pets, etc).

Practiced yoga for 4 months but most people who did it were either old or out of shape, the female instructors were legit tho.

Are Spin classes legit? Is it normal for males to do them?

[quaker13]

(10-02-2018 11:18 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

Clearly OP doesn't have much of a background in mathematics because this is easily explained by the fact that attractiveness is a normal distribution. Like IQ or athletic ability.
That is the vast majority of people are around the mean (5), making most people in the 4-6 range with an ever diminishing number of people in the ranges further from the mean.
So just like you have very few geniuses (IQ) you also have few 8's and very few 9's and 10's in the overall population.
So we should expect 8+'s to be scarce.

That being said, it can of course be skewed by location and/or industry. For example places like the aforementioned Miami or LA tend to attract higher attractiveness people which skews the distribution in those locations. Same for attractiveness focused industries like fashion or elite sports.

In conclusion, if you want to find more 8+'s you need to move to places or be involved in industries that skew towards higher attractiveness.

I share these exact sentiments. My exgirlfriend who I discussed on here a number of times was and is always the best looking woman in the room. At 6'4, a full inch taller than me, she was the most pleasant and feminine woman i've ever dated. Unfortunately, her modeling career wasn't sustainable and i ain't fucking with a chick who I literally have to provide for. Nonetheless, she was complete sweetypie and the only reason we aren't dating is cause i met my future wife at the same time and she had better long term qualities (family, career...etc)

[Green-On-GO]

They are in OchoVille capital of EightKanda.

Central Europe ,Easter Europe ...Euro beaches upmarket Beaches.Where hot chicks are competing for resources

For the Yelliw Fever sufferers Japan ,Korea maybe.

For black chicks Carribean, Ethopia .

I think 8s are just 7s but with feminity that hits your biological bias..She can be a 10 in looks but if she carries on like a man does a manly job then she is 7 to me..That's just me.

Fuck Tinder, fuck IG you are getting a hard on for filters.
All that shit is leading to the destruction of what makes an 8 an 8..feminity.

The problem is guys are to busy with online apps to raise their head and look around...

The more left wing SJW a place the less you will see a 8.

[Flux]

They’ve always been rare.

A lot of bad fathers and mothers, coupled with a toxic culture of consumerism and degeneracy, has made them rarer, but we can’t blame these girls for being broken, the only option is to love and direct them.

Every woman needs training, every single one; they’ve needed the guidance of men for our entire history, through every civilization.

A woman isn’t your equal; you are her caretaker; the man replacing her father. She needs you to love her much more than she loves you.

Love is doing what’s right, wether she understands it in the moment or not.

[OCZ]

(05-27-2017 03:11 AM)Jungle Wrote:  

Where are all the 8s – An open question
However, there is one very obvious "elephant in the room" (pardon the pun) which is not focused on enough on this forum and it's the biggest factor that is destroying all the 8s - THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC. The 8s are now 4s, 5s, 6s and 7s. The average American woman weighs 166.2 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that as much as the average American man weighed in the early 1960s. Yes men are getting fatter too, nevertheless I'd imagine most RVF members are the opposite of this male trend.

I also agree that this is one of the biggest issues regarding that matter. I'm from Mexico went a lot of times to the states as well because I was close to the border and as we all known, both countries are in average quite obese. Girls from upper middle class and up are generally the ones that can afford a good diet, gym and well all the things that involves the good looks. Good diet and excersise aren't precisely priorities in the classes bellow (and it is not in our culture neither which makes it worst), which therefore the 8's and up are cocnentrated in the upper scale of society ( of course there are exemptions)

I moved to Sweden a couple of years back and I was a the beginning impressed of how much the average looking girl will be quite on the top of American and Mexican girls, yet it wasn't that there are a lot of blondes walking around (which is hot as well), but the fact that people here are not as fat as home which for a not so good looking girl the fact that she is fit and dresses well increases their quality level a lot. Genetics have an influence to a certain level, but still it is the lifestyle we have in North America ( I am not sure about Canada, but I think we are on the same boat).

[Graft]

On their phones.

Figure out a way to become king of the iphone apps (Hinge, tinder, instagram, Bumble, facebook, Snapchat), and you will have unlimited access to 8+ women.

20x as effective as cold approach.

[Jagnum]

Thanks all. OP here. A lot of good opinions.

I think the best bet is college towns in 2nd tier cities, like some of the posters earlier in the thread had mentioned.

If you're not in the top 1-5% in looks then I can't see how online would lead to a steady stream of 8s.

And I'm sure LA and Miami as well, but it's not like the guys who live there on this forum are jazzed about those places. I've been to both places and agree there are good-looking girls there, but haven't gamed there (was before I found Roosh).

But in the absence of moving, I think making changes to lifestyle, and where you hang out. Anyone reading this thread is wise to take notes from what other people wrote.

In my experience social circle, and those parties your friends invite you to, has been the best way to meet hotter girls; compared to online, daygame, and night game. However this doesn't happen often. I should make friends with a DJ...

[Solitaire]

(10-03-2018 02:18 AM)Banna Wrote:  

Can't be bothered.

Sums it up for me. I looked at the two IG chicks mentioned on this pg 4 - they both need to get over themselves. Then looking at the comments for five seconds, it's all gushing praise from other chicks and ridiculously cringy comments from sad-sack dudes. Maybe 8's in the looks department, with lots of posing and filters, but whatever. Being insufferable is a huge turn-off. So is the attention-whoring for validation. That's a bottomless pit.

I was seeing a fitness competitor type over this past summer. Dated her for about three weeks. To look at her, hot as hell, exotic Fijian with light skin and natural curves. But her IG page was ridiculous. 3K+ posts. You see these girls take seven selfies in a row, and pick one? This girl would just post them all in a row. Gotta be 500 gym-mirror-selfies on her page, with the "stick my ass out so I look like my spine is broken" posing. And her daily 'stories' were even worse: Just staring into the camera while she swung the phone around her face, usually while sitting in the car and sometimes while *driving* - like, for 45 seconds at a time. Never got to second base with her, it was too weird and a huge turn-off with the almost constant solipsism.

[sethg]

I personally see 9s and 10s almost every day everywhere in the world, and 8s aplenty.

The idea of a rating system whose extremeties are never used is retarded. If you never use the 10, it's not part of your scale, so the 9 is the maximum. But if you refuse to use the maximum because of some brain problem, then by this process you will end up negating the entire scale.

It's not about having high or low standards: it's about being able to use a rating system. Can you do it?

[Endless Escapes]

(05-26-2017 12:23 AM)Jagnum Wrote:  

It seems like the vast, vast majority of girls I meet are in the 5, 6, or 7 range.

A handful will be in the 8 or 9 range. But there simply aren’t that many around.

To begin with; what is a 5, 6, 7,. etc? Where is the scale? Who makes the rating?

PS: This is a serious question

[sethg]

(10-10-2018 04:21 PM)Endless Escapes Wrote:  

To begin with; what is a 5, 6, 7,. etc? Where is the scale? Who makes the rating?

God.

Obviously the person posting the ratings duh.

[Quays2]

I've hit on and clicked with 8's on facebook and instagram. Its incredibly weird but if you cast your net wide you'll usually get a few hot ones and a lot of ugly.

But they tended to each have their own problems too sadly.

[robreke]

not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but try Whole Foods in any big city from 12 pm - 1ish on weekdays. then again, in the evenings.

For some reason, most hot girls in my city don't go to whole foods in evenings until 7:30 pm or later ( I guess it's a combination of getting off work, going to their yoga classes or the gym, going home and walking the dog then finally running up to whole foods in their yoga pants before it closes)

[Solitaire]

(10-10-2018 05:36 PM)robreke Wrote:  

not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but try Whole Foods in any big city from 12 pm - 1ish on weekdays. then again, in the evenings.

For some reason, most hot girls in my city don't go to whole foods in evenings until 7:30 pm or later ( I guess it's a combination of getting off work, going to their yoga classes or the gym, going home and walking the dog then finally running up to whole foods in their yoga pants before it closes)

I gotta second this. I remember chatting with an Italian woman - like, off the boat Italian, not American generational - in a WF up in San Ramon, CA. It was about ten years ago, I'll never forget her. I was in my mid 30s at the time, she was mid 40s I'd say. Charmed my socks off. Perfect hair, make-up, wardrobe. Face was Sophia Lauren attractive, with a body to match. Every eye was on this woman, every step she took. Was a pleasure to speak with her, she was sweet and pleasant and flirty in a perfectly feminine (i.e., not slutty) way. I was a bit overwhelmed by her, honestly, and not afraid to admit it now. Didn't get her number, nothing. Just a great memory.

WF is always full of good looking women, that's for sure.

[tugofpeace]

(10-02-2018 06:11 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

(05-26-2017 02:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

(05-26-2017 10:49 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

8s and 9s often congregate around wealth, power, and status. So, think of events, organizations, and places that are related to that community, and that's where you will find a lot of them. Also, any place women go to help them leverage their looks to promote themselves, like model photographers, upscale beauty salons, fitness clubs, etc.

That being said - college is indeed the great equalizer. Everyone eats at the same dining hall, takes the same exams, and goes to the same parties. 19 year old girls are insecure and still haven't fully realized the value of their beauty. Being part of a cool frat and providing free jungle juice is all you need to tap into the highest quality your school has to offer.

Wanted to add that this is far from the truth, if anything, I would argue it is the toughest to get an 8 or above in college than probably at any other time in your life.

Cool frat?

Good luck with that. Most top houses vet carefully for a lot of factors, often out of your control, when deciding who to give a bid to. At my school, they checked to see where you grew up high school wise and if you went to high school in the nice part of town. Then add to that your parents' salary to see if it is even worth having you around.

I think college is by far the most overhyped thing in game discussions, it is a mirage for most men even if they are handsome with game. Social circles are extremely tight to where sleeping around with anyone outside of them is social suicide to most girls.

Funny you mention the selectivity of frats.. my closest friend was a mega chad (indian) and could've easily gotten a bid, but chose not to. instead all the sorority girls wanted to fuck him anyways, and he'd usually roll up with a dime piece and have no loyalty to any fraternity. hilarious. all the frat guys were his friends anyways

[PixelFree]

(05-26-2017 09:10 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

Colleges, gyms, the mall.

Best way to snag an 8 is to steal her from her BF.

Girls in the 8-10 range often have either very alpha boyfriends or a good looking beta who worships the ground she walks on. The latter is a gimme.

I tend to agree. I have previously wondered, are the majority of girls that are 8 or above ever single?

And if this is the case, would you need to then steal one from an existing BF if you wanted one in most cases?

[aeroektar]

The 1-10 scale is for over analytical low T men. Discussions of standards of this minutiae is male hamsterization. There's only 4 options that matter in reality (I'll throw in a correlation to the 1-10 scale for those obsessed with it).

*Unbangable - self explanatory, 1-3
*Questionable - would only bang in a dry spell, or if severely horny, 4-5
*Would bang - self explanatory, 6-7
*Stunner - rare, self explanatory, 8±

Every man also shift the scale for their preferences, and MOST men shift the scale to protect their ego. I've met a lot of average joe schlubs who for instance call chubby chicks with modestly cute faces dime pieces, but will say "nope not my type" when I point out a clear young smoke show.

Anyways, I think finding top shelf women is 20% strategy and 80% luck.

[Golden_State_of_Mind]

Believe it's been said but yeah. Follow the money trail.

[Shemp]

I think a lot of you younger men need to have your testosterone checked. Or maybe come out of the closet: it's never been easier to be openly gay you know, though you won't be allowed on this forum.

The distribution of beauty is NOT normal (bell curve), because extremes are not beautiful. Average is beautiful: average sized nose, not huge nose or tiny nose. Average sized mouth, not huge mouth or tiny mouth. On the male side, average sized you know what, not donkey sized or mouse sized.

Extremes in any direction are ugly, and there is always to possibility to go even more extreme and make an ugly person still uglier. Thus the curve should be heavily tilted towards 10. That is, most humans should have the potential to be 8,9 or 10 when young. Lower numbers would then be reserved for endless ways to fuck things up, either genetically or by overeating or otherwise abusing the body.

Thus 10's should be and are common on university campuses. Playboy never had to work hard to find girls beautiful enough to be playmates, the problem was always convincing them to pose naked. Back in the day, quality girls didn't want to lower their marriage value by posing naked.

Most of what distinguished 8's from 10's is makeup, grooming, clothes, jewelry, posture, photographic tricks, etc. Google supermodels without makeup. Take the war paint and battle gear off and those supermodels look no different from prettier university girls.

[Kether]

Im based in Korea and it is full of 8's if you consider fashion, face, and body + femininity. Im currently in Poland and I see a lot of 7s and 8s here as well. A lot of the cities in USA are full of below 5s besides maybe Vegas, NYC, and parts of LA.