Quote: (07-20-2017 03:15 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'm by no means trying to argue with you, but Chris Cornell has also put out A LOT of material, much more than many artists in a much shorter time span, which mathematical probability would dictate that not ALL of it would be great, but I think any missteps he had taken in his career can be forgiven if for no other reason than he never rested on his laurels and was always willing to try something a little different, even if it didn't always work.
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Wow. Linkin Park SUCK but I am not happy to hear this. I got the impression they were very career and money-oriented, and the depression was all an act.
Quote: (07-20-2017 03:53 PM)puckerman Wrote:
I don't want to start a "my-generation-is-better-than-your-generation" talk. I do find it interesting that Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, and Chester Bennington are all dead now. Of course, the alleged "symbol" of the whole generation was Kurt Cobain. He killed himself when he was still huge.
Why is it that more of the guys from the 1970's and 1980's are still alive? In spite of engaging in lots of self-destructive behavior, all five members of Aerosmith are still alive. All four members fo Motley Crue are still alive.
I've long said that music lost its testosterone when "grunge" hit the scene. That is still true.
Quote: (07-20-2017 04:53 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:
Kurt Cobain was an emasculated, proud feminist, pro-gay activist, blue-pill , masculinity-hating leftist who was married with a slut. Not even all the money and glory could save a man who refused his virility.
I'm a big fan of Nirvana.
Quote:Quote:*** Cornell’s death was ruled a suicide despite the fact he had a missing chunk of hair on the back of his head during his final concert (which may have been referenced by a first responder as blunt force trauma, evidence of a possible altercation before the show and possibly worsened after the show.
Death of Chris Cornell: Timeline of Soundgarden singer’s last hours
ELISHA ANDERSON and BRIAN MCCOLLUM | DETROIT FREE PRESS 11:46 am EDT July 12, 2017
The city of Detroit released a 911 call that was placed from the MGM Grand in Detroit after singer Chris Cornell was found non-responsive in his hotel room.
Officials released documents Tuesday from the Detroit Police Department’s investigation into the May 18 death of Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell.
Here’s how events unfolded that night, based on released materials, including an incident report, 911 call and a statement from Cornell’s bodyguard.
11:00 p.m. Soundgarden’s show at the Fox Theatre in Detroit ends, and a police escort accompanies Cornell and his bodyguard, Martin Kirsten, to the MGM Grand Detroit hotel, where Cornell signs autographs.
In Cornell’s suite on the 11th floor, Kirsten gives the singer two sleeping pills — prescribed for anxiety — and heads back to his own room two doors down.
*** Why was Kirsten in charge of dispensing Cornell’s medication? If Cornell wasn’t trusted with his own medication — why was it later photographed at the suicide scene? ****
11:30 p.m. Cornell calls Kirsten to say his Apple TV is not working. Kirsten arranges for a hotel staffer to bring a remote that provides access to the hotel’s network.
*** I’m sure the mind of a person who is about to commit suicide is rather chaotic, but it seems awfully strange to switch gears from wanting to watch your favorite show to “I’m just going to kill myself. Fuck it.”***
11:35 p.m. Cornell speaks by phone to his wife, Vicky Cornell, saying he is groggy and repeating “I am just tired.” He hung up the phone, the report says.
*** How long was Cornell’s conversation with his wife? If it was short, why did she wait some 45 minutes before contacting the bodyguard to check on him? If it was a long conversation, would Cornell have had enough time to rig up his MacGyver style makeshift noose and successfully use it? ***
12:15 a.m. Kirsten is in his own room watching television when he receives a call from Vicki Cornell, who “sounded angry because (Chris Cornell) wasn’t responding to his phone,” the bodyguard said. The wife tells Kirsten to “go to the room and check on Chris.”
*** Again, how long was their last conversation? Cornell’s wife said in an interview she told the bodyguard to kick the door in because she “knew it would be latched.” How could she know? Is she fucking psychic? ***
Kirsten goes to Cornell’s suite. Although he has a room key, he can’t open the door because Cornell has locked with a latch. He calls for security, asking for room access, but is denied because he is not registered to the room.
*** If time is of the essence and you have any reason to suspect your boss, a man who no doubt paid hefty sums for you to protect him, is in any danger, why the fuck would you waste valuable time dicking around calling the front desk? ***
Vicky Cornell directs him to “kick it open.” Kirsten does and enters the suite, now encountering a locked bedroom door. He calls the hotel operator and is again refused security assistance to access the locked door, he said. “I told them I’m going to damage the hotel room and that (they) need to send security, call 911 and call an ambulance.”
*** The only thing more ridiculous than wasting valuable time calling the front desk once is doing it twice. This strikes me as more of a create plausible deniability by letting others know somewhat what’s going on and how you’re not supposedly responsible for it than anything. ***
The bodyguard then kicks the bedroom door “6-7 times before it somehow ... pop(s) open.”
*** Was the door ever actually latched? Or was it only tampered with after the fact to make it appear that way? After all, Kirsten had nearly 45 uninterrupted minutes with the body before anyone else arrived at the scene. ***
“I went inside and the bathroom door was partially opened and I could see his feet,” he told police.
Kirsten finds Cornell on the bathroom floor bleeding, a red exercise band around his neck. Kirsten loosens the band and applies “chest compressions” to try resuscitating him.
*** If the noose was rigged up over the top of the bathroom door — how in the fuck would his feet be visible?! If anything, wouldn’t the body have pulled the door closed not open it up? ***
12:56 a.m. A hotel medic arrives on the scene, unties the exercise band and starts CPR on Cornell, who is not breathing.
*** Why would Kirsten only “loosen” the band instead of outright removing it if he were truly trying to revive Cornell? ***
A 911 call is placed. “A guest was attempting to hang himself,” the operator is told.
*** Why say “attempt”? Seems quite apparent the hanging was successful. The strange thing is why does the 911 call mention medics “trying to cut him down” when Kirsten claims he found him face down on the floor with the band around his neck? Which is it?***
1 a.m. More first responders arrive, including Detroit police and EMS personnel, and resuscitation efforts continue.
*** First responder mentions signs of blunt force trauma on Cornell’s head — a detail left out of all future autopsy reports, and also mentions signs of “possible strangulation.” Is “possible strangulation” a catch-all term for any death caused by lack of oxygen/blood to the brain? Or is it intended to signify a difference between a homicide and suicide? How is the first responder aware of Cornell’s history of substance abuse and depression unless he was being fed that information from the bodyguard or someone else at the scene? ***
1:30 a.m. Cornell is pronounced dead by a doctor on the scene.
1:40 a.m.: Additional Detroit police authorities are alerted, including homicide investigators, and officers on hand secure the scene until they arrive.
1:39 p.m. Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office releases a statement saying it has completed an autopsy and ruled Cornell’s suicide by hanging. News of his death spurs headlines around the world.
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Adrienne Levine (June 24, 1966 – November 1, 2006), better known by the stage name Adrienne Shelly (sometimes credited as Adrienne Shelley), was an American actress, film director and screenwriter. She became known for roles in independent films such as 1989's The Unbelievable Truth and 1990's Trust. She wrote, co-starred in, and directed the 2007-released film Waitress, which ultimately won five awards. In late 2006 Shelly was the married mother of an infant daughter and was waiting to see if Waitress would be accepted for the Sundance Film Festival.
On November 1, 2006, Shelly was found dead, hanging in the shower of her Greenwich Village work studio apartment. The initial examination of the scene did not reveal any suspicious circumstances, and police apparently believed it to be a suicide. Her husband insisted she would never have taken her own life, and brought about a re-examination of the bathroom that disclosed a suspect footprint. Police arrested a construction worker who confessed to killing Shelly and making it look as if she had committed suicide.
Shelly's husband established the Adrienne Shelly Foundation, which awards scholarships, production grants, finishing funds, and living stipends to artists. In her honor, the Women Film Critics Circle gives an annual Adrienne Shelly Award to the film that it finds "most passionately opposes violence against women."
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Murder
Shelly was found dead at approximately 5:45 p.m on November 1, 2006. Her husband, Andy Ostroy, discovered the body in the Abingdon Square apartment in Manhattan's West Village that she used as an office.[6] Ostroy had dropped her off at 9:30 a.m. He had become concerned because Shelly had not been in contact that day and went to the building, asking the doorman to accompany him to the apartment. They found her body hanging from a shower rod in the bathtub with a bed sheet around her neck.[6][15]
Despite the door not having been locked and money reportedly missing from her wallet, New York City Police Department apparently believed Shelly had taken her own life. An autopsy found she had died as a result of neck compression.[16] Ostroy insisted that his wife was happy in her personal and professional life, and in any case would never have committed suicide leaving her two and a half year old daughter motherless. His protests over the following days caused a more careful re-examination of the bathroom, which revealed there was a sneaker print in gypsum dust on the toilet beside where her body had been found. The suspect print was matched to a set of other shoe prints in the building, where construction work had been done the day of Shelly's death.[16][17]
On November 6, 2006, the press reported the arrest of a 19-year-old construction worker, Diego Pillco, an Ecuadorian illegal immigrant who according to police had confessed on tape to attacking Shelly, and then staging the fake suicide by hanging her.[18][19][20][21] Pillco's original version of what happened was that when Shelly asked if the noise could be kept down, he threw a hammer at her and, afraid she would make a complaint that might result in his deportation, followed her back to her apartment, where the petite 40-year-old hit him, and was killed by a fall during a struggle. Subsequently, Pillco gave a completely different account in which he said while on a break he had noticed Shelly returning to her apartment and followed her. After assaulting her and rendering her unconscious, he killed her by staging the fake suicide. The second version was consistent with the lack of dust on Shelly's shoes (which she was not wearing when found) and seemed to be a confession to murder, but prosecutors reportedly thought if charged with murder Pillco might return to his original account and a jury trial could find him guilty of a lesser charge.[22] The medical examiner determined that Shelly was still alive when hanged.[23] Pillco pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter and was sentenced to 25 years in prison without parole.[24]
At Pillco's sentencing on March 13, 2008, Shelly's husband, along with family members, said that they would never forgive him.[25] Andy Ostroy said of Pillco "...you are nothing more than a coldblooded killer" and that he hoped he would "rot in jail".[25]
In remembering Shelly, Ostroy said that "Adrienne was the kindest, warmest, most loving, generous person I knew. She was incredibly smart, funny and talented, a bright light with an infectious laugh and huge smile that radiated inner and outer beauty... she was my best friend, and the person with whom I was supposed to grow old".[25]
Lawsuit
According to an acquaintance, Pillco said after eight months he still owed a debt on the $12,000 he had paid to be smuggled into the US, and he lived in the basement of a building owned by his employer. One of Shelly's neighbors told reporters that Pillco's stare had made the neighbor feel uncomfortable when she walked past him.[26] Shelly's husband sued contractor Bradford General Contractors, which had hired Pillco.[27] The complaint alleged that Shelly would still be alive if the contracting firm had not hired him.[27] Ostroy also sought to hold the owners and management of the building liable for Shelly's murder.[27] According to a New York Post article, among other allegations, the complaint stated that "'Pillco was an undocumented immigrant...' as were his co-workers,[27] and that "it was in Bradford General Contractors' interest not to have 'police and immigration officials [called] to the job site' because that would have ground their work to a halt".[27] On July 7, 2011, the lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Louis York. The court determined that Ostroy had not established legal grounds to hold the contractor liable, writing "While this court sympathizes with [Ostroy's] loss, plaintiffs have not presented sufficient legal grounds upon which to hold Bradford ... liable for Pillco's vicious crime",[28] and that there was likewise insufficient evidence presented to find that either the building's management agents or its owners "had reason to believe that Pillco was a dangerous person who should not have been allowed to work at the premises"[28] in order to find them vicariously liable. Ostroy was said to be considering an appeal.[28]
