[stugatz]

I mentioned earlier that I adored Mother Love Bone's album Apple, Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns especially. All of the album Temple of the Dog was dedicated to Andrew Wood's premature death, "Say Hello to Heaven" especially. (If I'm not mistaken, it was Cornell on vocals, and Mother Love Bone's backing band - Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard - later joined up with Eddie Vedder to join Pearl Jam, hinted at on "Hunger Strike".)

I didn't know he was Chris Cornell's roommate when he overdosed. This just adds an extra layer of sadness to the whole thing.

[scotian]

I was channel surfing tonight and came across an SNL rerun from 1996, hosted by Jim Carrey and the band was Soundgarden, awesome!

[churros]

(05-20-2017 08:08 PM)catoblepa Wrote:  

SG songs are often dealing with depression, melancholy and mood disorders. Dude had obviously been in a chronic state of depression or dysthymia which is mild depression but enough to affect your daily life and then you have recurring moments of co-morbidity with major depressions and those moments are the worst because you're the most vulnerable and suicidal. People didn't go past his exuberant falsetto and thought he was full of life but he clearly wasn't.

Yeah but a lot of darkness in rock songs is pro forma; more often than not, it's a young man's malaise. Really nobody saw this coming, not even his wife.

I listend to a long interview with Cornell yesterday. Usually Marc Marcon draws the darkness out of people, but Cornell just completely glides over it. You really wouldn't suspect a thing.

Audioslave were never that great, but this is hands down their best song.

Also, this man should be an inspiration to you Indian Americans:

[LeoneVolpe]

A lot of rock music in the 80s was all about banging chicks. However, most artists had a tendency to beat around the bush about it (e.g. "She's my cherry pie," etc.) Soundgarden was the first band to just come out and say it. As I understand it, the song was intended to be a parody of the era's "butt rock." That said, it's still a fun one to crank up in the car with your windows down.

(05-20-2017 08:24 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 08:08 PM)catoblepa Wrote:  

SG songs are often dealing with depression, melancholy and mood disorders. Dude had obviously been in a chronic state of depression or dysthymia which is mild depression but enough to affect your daily life and then you have recurring moments of co-morbidity with major depressions and those moments are the worst because you're the most vulnerable and suicidal. People didn't go past his exuberant falsetto and thought he was full of life but he clearly wasn't.

His best friend/roommate, who was another promising singer of the band Mother Love Bone, that later became Pearl Jam, OD'd in their apartment when they lived together. This was right when Soundgarden exploded, and Chris' writing went really dark after that. This has been often referred to as the influence for Chris' dark writing. If you really want to see a time when he was full of life, look at his work before Badmotorfinger. He was pretty red pilled too, wrote about sex, etc.

Don't you don't you want to thrill me
Don't you be afraid to tell me
Tell me if you think it's ugly
But now don't you want to touch it anyway

I've been looking for a reject
And you ain't had nothing like me yet
Don't you think it's time for motion
I can take what you've been pushin'

Hey I know what to do
I'm gonna fuck fuck fuck fuck you
Fuck you
Ya I know what to do
I'm gonna fuck fuck fuck fuck you
Fuck you I'm gonna

I'm the beast and you're the master
You're the meat of the matter
I'm no fool for discretion
When it's on the tip of my tongue

Don't' you don't you want to thrill me
Don't be afraid to tell me
Tell me if you think it's ugly
But now don't you want to touch it anyway

[LeoneVolpe]

I'm still in shock over Cornell's death. There's just something off about the whole thing...

It's hard to believe that within the span of an hour or so from the time Soundgarden's last show ended that Cornell was able to:

Make it back to his room at the MGM (which admittedly wasn't far from the venue)

Request his bodyguard to give him "two" Ativan and "fix his computer"

Have a conversation with his wife (which was apparently enough to spook her into asking his bodyguard to check on him)

The bodyguard tried entering Cornell's room with a key, but the door was latched so he called the hotel to let him in but they refused since he wasn't "registered" to that room. He then decided to kick down the door, but encountered another latched door once inside the room and kicked that door down as well, leading to the discovery of Cornell's lifeless body on the bathroom floor with a red exercise band around his neck.

I'm assuming the second door the bodyguard kicked down was, in fact, the bathroom door, which is presumably why Cornell's body was found on the floor and not still hanging from the door, but I could be wrong. The whole thing is beyond fucking bizarre, but the fact that a guy as tall as Cornell, who was around 6' 2" or 6' 3" would have had enough clearance to hang himself from the top of a door is strange enough in itself. I mean, how tall could that door have been anyway? Seven feet max? Would he really have had enough room/time to pull all that off?

[Vaun]

(05-21-2017 04:19 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

That said, it's still a fun one to crank up in the car with your windows down.

It was one hell of a stripper song too

[stugatz]

Just one more post before I'm done - Chris Cornell's vocal range has been documented by some obsessive fans on YouTube. It really was remarkable, a four-octave vocal range.

(It wasn't as extensive as, say, Mike Patton's, but the main point is that Chris Cornell was this talented and still managed to sound like a human. Patton is semi-obscure and makes much of his money as a voice actor for a reason.)

[IvanDrago]

(05-21-2017 04:54 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I'm still in shock over Cornell's death. There's just something off about the whole thing...

It's hard to believe that within the span of an hour or so from the time Soundgarden's last show ended that Cornell was able to:

Make it back to his room at the MGM (which admittedly wasn't far from the venue)

Request his bodyguard to give him "two" Ativan and "fix his computer"

Have a conversation with his wife (which was apparently enough to spook her into asking his bodyguard to check on him)

The bodyguard tried entering Cornell's room with a key, but the door was latched so he called the hotel to let him in but they refused since he wasn't "registered" to that room. He then decided to kick down the door, but encountered another latched door once inside the room and kicked that door down as well, leading to the discovery of Cornell's lifeless body on the bathroom floor with a red exercise band around his neck.

I'm assuming the second door the bodyguard kicked down was, in fact, the bathroom door, which is presumably why Cornell's body was found on the floor and not still hanging from the door, but I could be wrong. The whole thing is beyond fucking bizarre, but the fact that a guy as tall as Cornell, who was around 6' 2" or 6' 3" would have had enough clearance to hang himself from the top of a door is strange enough in itself. I mean, how tall could that door have been anyway? Seven feet max? Would he really have had enough room/time to pull all that off?

Was Courtney Love in town that night?

[LeoneVolpe]

It's been nearly a week since Chris Cornell tragically took his own life -- and I'm still in shock.

Cornell's body was cremated yesterday during a small, private service at Hollywood Forever Cemetery; his wife Vicky, brother Peter, friends Linda Ramone and singer J.D. King were in attendance. Plans are in place for another private ceremony to be held on Friday before the burial site is opened up for Cornell's fans to pay their respects.

Although initially I was suspicious of foul play, I'm finally starting to come around to the idea that Cornell overdosed on Ativan, a benzodiazepine that can cause suicidal ideation and blackouts, and chose to hang himself, as painful as that fact is to accept. Having said that, however, I know I can't be the only one who finds it troubling how quickly they dispose of celebrity's bodies after their deaths nowadays. I've watched enough episodes of "Forensic Files" to know that sometimes medical examiners fuck up (whether accidentally or on purpose) and bodies are sometimes exhumed and re-analyzed to make sure nothing was missed by investigators.

People like Cornell and Prince made more than enough money to receive proper burials, so I can think of only a couple reasons why their families would choose to cremate them:

1.) They want to prevent demented fans from trying to dig up their bodies, like what almost happened with Elvis Presley's body when he was initially buried in a public cemetery.

2.) They were killed/"sacrificed" and later cremated to prevent the discovery of what actually happened to them.

I don't know what to think. I just don't understand why we always lose the best artists (e.g. Chris Cornell, Prince, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Elvis, etc.) whilst losers like Justin Bieber and Britney Spears seems impervious to death despite the routine stupidity of their actions. This whole situation is unbelievably upsetting and, quite frankly, fucking sucks.

I don't know what happened, and I doubt if we'll ever know the whole truth about what happened, so I guess the only thing we can do now is "Wave Goodbye" to Chris...

[LeoneVolpe]

Apparently TMZ is now reporting fresh track marks were found on Cornell's body at the suicide scene.

[LeoneVolpe]

Yesterday I visited Hollywood Forever cemetery to pay my respects to Chris Cornell, an artist I've known and loved since I was a kid. I first saw him perform live in 2007 and never thought a decade later I'd be visiting his grave. It was a surreal experience to say the least.

In reference to my above posting, TMZ shot their wad early on reporting "track marks" on Cornell's body. Evidently, the marks were from the EMTs trying to administer medication to counteract the effects of the benzodiazepines Cornell had taken and had a prescription for. They were NOT caused by heroin or any other street drugs.

I don't have the ability to link to it on my phone, but a simple YouTube search for "Chris Cornell 911 call" will produce results from when the call came in over the police scanner reporting his death. Some interesting remarks include the caller saying "possible strangulation" rather than "possible suicide" and "trauma to the back of the head." Also, his recent autopsy report has been made public that while neglecting to mention the head trauma, it does refer to Cornell having several broken ribs. Which, if true, sounds a whole lot more like he got the hell beat out of him (trauma to back of the head) before being murdered (strangulation) and having the scene staged as a suicide by hanging.

The "official" story has changed many times since news of his death first broke. Initially, Cornell was found face down on the bathroom floor with an exercise band around his neck. Later, it was reported he was found "partially suspended" from the exercise band attached to a carabiner lodged into the top of the door frame. Well, which is it -- Was he hanging or was he face down on the ground?

Perhaps I need to take this to the "Conspiracy Theory" thread -- but I'm still not 100% convinced Cornell killed himself. Maybe he was just the latest celebrity sacrifice to satiate the Satanic cult that runs Hollywood and the music industry?

[Thersites]

(06-20-2017 09:24 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Perhaps I need to take this to the "Conspiracy Theory" thread -- but I'm still not 100% convinced Cornell killed himself. Maybe he was just the latest celebrity sacrifice to satiate the Satanic cult that runs Hollywood and the music industry?

Here the link to blog THE Metal Den that had a tip that Chris was killed for his involvement to expose Pedogate.

Quote:

The plot thickens. It turns out that Chris Cornell was indeed against the “Illuminati” occult agenda.
TMD has learned today from a source that Chris was allegedly going to help expose the goings-on in Mena, Arkansas, where it’s been alleged that a cocaine and child trafficking ring tied to the Clinton’s has been operating.

Yes, Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Let’s not forget their long known association with the perverted Anthony Weiner. He is the husband of Huma Abedin, who is Clinton’s top aide. Weiner himself as of yesterday plead guilty to sexting with a minor and he now faces prison time. His wife filed for divorce.

The biggest theory floating around the internet is the monsters behind “PedoGate” allegedly marked Chris for assassination due to his work with ‘sexually & physically abused kids’ via several foundations.

Vox Day reported about this on his blog:"So did not see that coming.." There was lack of shills in the comments section, so the above story from Metal Den is just a rumor.

[LeoneVolpe]

It's just weird because I saw online where an insider had told People magazine that on May 4th, Chris Cornell had pushed his flight from Atlanta, Georgia, back a day over weather concerns. Then, on May 9th, his flight from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, had been delayed due to "mechanical issues" prompting Cornell to rent a car and drive over seven-and-a-half hours to his intended destination.

Now I'm not sure how suicidal tendencies work, but it's hard to imagine that within the same month of his death, he made at least two choices that seem to have been with the intent of being cautious with his own life. If he had wanted to kill himself why bother with worrying about plane crashes? Just board the plane and take your chances, right? Seems strange to do what he did only to hang yourself such a short time later.

[Baphomet]

(06-21-2017 10:26 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

It's just weird because I saw online where an insider had told People magazine that on May 4th, Chris Cornell had pushed his flight from Atlanta, Georgia, back a day over weather concerns. Then, on May 9th, his flight from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, had been delayed due to "mechanical issues" prompting Cornell to rent a car and drive over seven-and-a-half hours to his intended destination.

Now I'm not sure how suicidal tendencies work, but it's hard to imagine that within the same month of his death, he made at least two choices that seem to have been with the intent of being cautious with his own life. If he had wanted to kill himself why bother with worrying about plane crashes? Just board the plane and take your chances, right? Seems strange to do what he did only to hang yourself such a short time later.

First, who knows if the insider is full of crap or not?

Second, suicides want the control of saying WHEN and HOW their death happens.

[shotgun]

As unexpected as this suicide was, I think his fans, myself included, can always take solace in the fact that he pretty much fullfilled his potential as a musician. This is a very different situation than Cobain blowing his head off at 27 years of age, or Staley living and looking like an 80-year old man for several years when he was in his late 20s / early 30s. Now that was heartbreaking.

[LeoneVolpe]

Here's the thing...

Some people may say it doesn't really matter what took Cornell out at this point, he's gone. I disagree. If someone murdered him and set the scene to look like a suicide, it's a big deal, and it needs to be investigated. The problem is, the body has already been cremated. I mentioned this fact in an earlier post on this thread. The guy dies on the 18th, gets cremated on the 23rd and is "buried" on the 26th -- that's really quick turnaround time if you ask me.

Certainly not in all cases but I'm sure enough to be significant, medical examiners make mistakes. If the body hadn't already been turned to ashes, it could've been reexamined for foul play. The same shit happened with Prince, which I thought was suspicious then as well as now. Prince hadn't been dead more than a day or two and someone was like "All right, go ahead and burn the body." These guys made more than enough money to receive a proper burial. In fact, Cornell's wife, Vicky, is a member of the Greek Orthodox church -- a denomination of Christianity that apparently doesn't look favorably on cremation. The whole thing just seems fucking odd to me.

I think one of three scenarios played itself out:

1.) Cornell did, in fact, commit suicide.

2.) Cornell was murdered by the bodyguard (the last person to see him alive) who was in cahoots with Cornell's wife (the last person who supposedly talked to him before his death). The bodyguard was Martin Kirsten, who allegedly cheated with Heidi Klum while she was married to Seal, who's to say something similar wasn't going on with him and Cornell's wife? Perhaps rather than divorce rape Cornell, his wife just decided to have him taken out of the picture. She was a former publicist, so she'd know how to play the public. Also, Cornell's mother-in-law seems to have a big mouth on Twitter and was likely in on it, too.

3.) Illuminati-style celebrity sacrifice/"star whacking"

With all we've discovered in the past year about what goes on behind the scenes with the rich and powerful thanks to WikiLeaks, etc., I don't think we can be too quick to discount foul play here. Plus, the "predictive programming" of his music video for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" depicting hangings seems rather suspect as well.

A lot of artists' work are semi-autobiographical. During his stint with Audioslave, Cornell was in the process of getting a divorce from his first wife, Susan Silver (former manager of Soundgarden and Alice in Chains). On their debut album, Chris wrote and performed a song called "What You Are," which was clearly about a man who was glad to be free from the shitty relationship he'd been in. On his last album, Chris wrote and performed a song called "Murderer of Blue Skies," similarly about a man who was eagerly awaiting a time he would no longer be in the relationship he was in. Was art imitating life?

Someone mentioned The Metal Den earlier, and I found this video on YouTube to be quite interesting:

Let me know what you guys think, I'd be interested to hear the opinions of some RVF'ers on this.

[shotgun]

I know I'm late to the STP discussion, but...

(05-18-2017 09:42 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

I sort of concur on STP - they were almost Pearl Jam knockoffs at the beginning and Core is only a good album I'd say (lots of great music regardless though). Purple is far better.

Tiny Music, though is very good and one of my favorite 1990s albums. At that point they'd found a unique sound and, sure, they weren't Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains...but they were better than post-grunge like Bush or Live.

Not heard 4, Shangrila, or the self-titled release later.

They weren't really Pearl Jam knock-offs. Most songs on Core were written circa 1990, before Pearl Jam even existed as a band. Just do a search for the Mighty Young Demos on Youtube. Yes, Weiland's singing style on Plush is similar to Vedder's, but more of a case of drinking from the same fountain -- Jim Morrison, perhaps?

That's not to say that STP didn't rip other bands off -- of the Seattle bands, they were mostly "influenced" by Nirvana and AIC--, but they did it in a pleasant way, and, besides, bands are ripping off each other all the time in music. "Come As You Are" from Nirvana is a Killing Joke rip-off, and "Given To Fly" from Pearl Jam is a Led Zeppelin rip-off, for instance.

I agree Tiny Music is a brilliant record, they really came into their own with that one. No. 4 is also very good, but more of a "back to basics" thing. Shangri-La has a couple of good songs but overall I would say it's their weakest album. The band was already entering a crisis by then. The eponymous album, the last one with Weiland, was a positive surprise.

[shotgun]

(06-22-2017 09:02 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Here's the thing...

Some people may say it doesn't really matter what took Cornell out at this point, he's gone. I disagree. If someone murdered him and set the scene to look like a suicide, it's a big deal, and it needs to be investigated. The problem is, the body has already been cremated. I mentioned this fact in an earlier post on this thread. The guy dies on the 18th, gets cremated on the 23rd and is "buried" on the 26th -- that's really quick turnaround time if you ask me.

Certainly not in all cases but I'm sure enough to be significant, medical examiners make mistakes. If the body hadn't already been turned to ashes, it could've been reexamined for foul play. The same shit happened with Prince, which I thought was suspicious then as well as now. Prince hadn't been dead more than a day or two and someone was like "All right, go ahead and burn the body." These guys made more than enough money to receive a proper burial. In fact, Cornell's wife, Vicky, is a member of the Greek Orthodox church -- a denomination of Christianity that apparently doesn't look favorably on cremation. The whole thing just seems fucking odd to me.

I think one of three scenarios played itself out:

1.) Cornell did, in fact, commit suicide.

2.) Cornell was murdered by the bodyguard (the last person to see him alive) who was in cahoots with Cornell's wife (the last person who supposedly talked to him before his death). The bodyguard was Martin Kirsten, who allegedly cheated with Heidi Klum while she was married to Seal, who's to say something similar wasn't going on with him and Cornell's wife? Perhaps rather than divorce rape Cornell, his wife just decided to have him taken out of the picture. She was a former publicist, so she'd know how to play the public. Also, Cornell's mother-in-law seems to have a big mouth on Twitter and was likely in on it, too.

3.) Illuminati-style celebrity sacrifice/"star whacking"

With all we've discovered in the past year about what goes on behind the scenes with the rich and powerful thanks to WikiLeaks, etc., I don't think we can be too quick to discount foul play here. Plus, the "predictive programming" of his music video for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" depicting hangings seems rather suspect as well.

A lot of artists' work are semi-autobiographical. During his stint with Audioslave, Cornell was in the process of getting a divorce from his first wife, Susan Silver (former manager of Soundgarden and Alice in Chains). On their debut album, Chris wrote and performed a song called "What You Are," which was clearly about a man who was glad to be free from the shitty relationship he'd been in. On his last album, Chris wrote and performed a song called "Murderer of Blue Skies," similarly about a man who was eagerly awaiting a time he would no longer be in the relationship he was in. Was art imitating life?

Someone mentioned The Metal Den earlier, and I found this video on YouTube to be quite interesting:

Let me know what you guys think, I'd be interested to hear the opinions of some RVF'ers on this.

Some interesting theories, but I still believe he committed suicide. He had at least two reported cases of severe depression in his life before.

From his 2006 Spin interview:

Quote:

You were seriously depressed as a teenager. What brought that on?

I had a bad PCP [angel dust] experience when I was 14 and I got panic disorder. And of course, I wasn’t telling anyone the truth. It’s not like you go to your dad or your doctor and say, “Yeah, I smoked PCP and I’m having a bad time.” So I became more or less agoraphobic because I’d have flashbacks. From 14 to 16, I didn’t have any friends. I stayed home most of the time. Up till then life was pretty great. The world was big and I felt I could do anything I wanted. Suddenly, I felt like I couldn’t do anything. But in the isolation, my imagination really had time to run.

His depression from 1996-2002 has also been well documented.

Maybe he started entering depression again and just didn't want to go through that once more?

In other subject, I heard 'Pretty Noose' is about marriage from a male perspective, if true it's pretty red pill.

[LeoneVolpe]

I've heard the same thing. "Pretty Noose" was about how enticing an attractive woman is, and how often she is actually a trap that facilitates your downfall.

[LeoneVolpe]

Today marks what would've been Chris Cornell's 53rd birthday and I'm in no less shock about his death now than I was two months ago. I'm not sure if it's true or not but I just heard that Chester Bennington the lead singer of Linkin Park hung himself too and I'm pretty sure it happened today on Cornell's birthday.

Cornell and Bennington were friends, and even performed together at the Projekt Revolution tour back around 2009. Does anyone believe it's just a coincidence that two lead rock singers who were friends both hung themselves two months apart and on the other's birthday? What the hell is actually going on?

[renotime]

Yeah Leone, it's official Chester Bennington from Linkin Park just killed himself.

The last few years have not been kind to musicians.

[LeoneVolpe]

So let me get this straight… Chester Bennington was friends with Chris Cornell. Two months ago Chris Cornell killed himself by hanging and now Chester Bennington has decided to kill himself by hanging on Chris Cornell's birthday. Does that strike anyone else as fucking odd?

[PapayaTapper]

(07-20-2017 02:40 PM)renotime Wrote:  

Yeah Leone, it's official Chester Bennington from Linkin Park just killed himself.

The last few years have not been kind to musicians.

Actually they've not been kind to themselves

[behnam]

https://www.yahoo.com/music/report-linki...57466.html
So sad i grew up listening to linkin park.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Most great musicians tend to suffer from some sort of existential pain / angst so I'm not all that surprised. Plus, I loved both of these guys, but let's face facts their best days were behind them.