[Rocha]

(05-01-2017 03:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

It's the same as little boys worshipping Batman or Superman.

All I know is the Vikings had some good DNA, some of the finest women I have seen have been Scandinavian.

I was in Iceland this past December, the tour guide said most Icelanders trace their roots back to the Irish/Scottish (Gaelic). The Anglo-Saxons defeated the Vikings and made them convert to Christianity.

I guess it is easier to worship "good looking" Vikings over not so good looking Anglo Saxons.

They are both from Germanic stock me thinks (Vikings and Anglo-Saxons). The Vikings also left their mark (dna) in the British Islands, specially Ireland.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2017 03:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

It's the same as little boys worshipping Batman or Superman.

All I know is the Vikings had some good DNA, some of the finest women I have seen have been Scandinavian.

I was in Iceland this past December, the tour guide said most Icelanders trace their roots back to the Irish/Scottish (Gaelic). The Anglo-Saxons defeated the Vikings and made them convert to Christianity.

I guess it is easier to worship "good looking" Vikings over not so good looking Anglo Saxons.

Exactly - the English defeated the Scottish, but everyone is rather rooting for the Scottish ever since Braveheart.

It is also a matter of freedom. Intrinsically we know that a Viking or even a lawless pirate was more free than a Roman soldier or a British one. Of course the latter were more effective powerful soldiers (and no pussies either like shown in the movies - Roman soldiers sometimes used to rip out their back teeth to not feel pain before a major battle).

[zigZag]

(05-01-2017 02:43 PM)Uruz Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 02:17 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

At the end of the day you have to be your own man... That's my view... the past is the past. Right now it's all about you and what you're doing with your own life that matters. The fact that people try to cling to we wuz kangz or we wuz vikangz says that they aren't comfortable with who they are as individuals....

Well I will not try to take it away from you but I would have one question, how do you think that it manifests on personal or movement levels? (Seriously)

Just saying, because anyone who knows me for certain period of time knows at least two things about me, first is that "I wuz viking" and the another one is that I am at least in my eyes the most satisfied motherfucker on earth. Just "pillaged" two big butted colombianas yesterday, some viking shit - fuck LARPing. Came with big flying drakkar and went working on it.


Honestly if I wanted to say something along the lines "I wuz" I would choose "We wuz U-Bot Soldaten" and "We wuz fighting in Stalingrad", because I could probably find grave of at least one of the guys as I got them already recorded in my family tree.

Well that's what i'm trying to say... You aren't a viking.. you aren't a U-boat Soldier... You're not a nazi..etc. Those things are the past. Sure your ancestors probably were those things and you can be happy/proud of those things...

However the issue is that a lot of people base their entire identity and existence on what someone who happened to be related to them in the past did. I wasn't addressing you specifically with my post either... I'm being highly general.

There is no more nazi germany.. no more vikings. There i just YOU and whatever you make of your life and what you want to achieve.

How does it manifest? Well you see a lot of people dressing/acting like people in the past because that's what their identity is based on.. instead of doing their own thing and making their own life.

EDIT: There is a difference between Elon Musk and the average "We wuz Vikangz" Guy. That's what i mean when i talk about being your own man... One guy is looking to the past for identity.. One Guy is building an empire through his own hard work. I know which one is preferable to me....

[Uruz]

(05-01-2017 03:13 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

Well that's what i'm trying to say... You aren't a viking.. you aren't a U-boat Soldier... You're not a nazi..etc. Those things are the past. Sure your ancestors probably were those things and you can be happy/proud of those things...

However the issue is that a lot of people base their entire identity and existence on what someone who happened to be related to them in the past did. I wasn't addressing you specifically with my post either... I'm being highly general.

There is no more nazi germany.. no more vikings. There i just YOU and whatever you make of your life and what you want to achieve.

How does it manifest? Well you see a lot of people dressing/acting like people in the past because that's what their identity is based on.. instead of doing their own thing and making their own life.

EDIT: There is a difference between Elon Musk and the average "We wuz Vikangz" Guy. That's what i mean when i talk about being your own man... One guy is looking to the past for identity.. One Guy is building an empire through his own hard work. I know which one is preferable to me....

I agree with you.

It's good, that you have been able to clarify, because that is the issue. There is nothing wrong with "We wuz vikings" the wrong thing is if it becomes some sort of excuse of absence of self-improvement.

This threat is one big shitshow.

It's good and necessary to have role models - father, people of excellence in a field that you are trying to pursue and here comes some sort of mythical archetype. It's the same with God, or more like Gods, you are trying to get closer to ultimate perfection (usually not possible to achieve), which is the best, as if you are trying to pursue ultimate perfection in term of this god or that, or this "mythical" archetypal warrior, you will always have a space to improve. The same goes for any movement, movements and parties cannot have archivable goals because after archiving their existence would be pointless, the same goes on individual level.

- Rudewboy - I am not sure if your life have been totally absent with role-models but boys worshipping Batman is essential part of life, they must worship someone. (Not sure if Batman is the best scenario, but they have to and should.)

[rudebwoy]

^I don't worship fictional characters, any more.

I collected comic books when I was a child, I am an adult now.

I worship my father, who is a great role model. So I wouldn't say I have been absent of role models.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2017 03:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^I don't worship fictional characters, any more.

I collected comic books when I was a child, I am an adult now.

I worship my father, who is a great role model. So I wouldn't say I have been absent of role models.

Exactly - if I was to identify with a mythical figure I would pick Neo:



I would not want humanity to live like Vikings - middle ages, crappy technology, illiteracy, barbaric religion with human sacrifice, occasional raiding for the top soldiers, capturing slaves and holding slaves....

If I wanted that I would join ISIS now, because they are living like that in the year 2017 and it is not the year 789. Saudi Arabia lives like that just with imported Western technology and science - and getting paid for oil that is found on their soil and again the Westerners are paying for it. But the Saudis have essentially an ISIS system - only institutionalized and appearing more civil while in reality it is not.

Either way - we have to shape our identity on our own. Yes - we can venerate our ancestors regardless whether they were Vikings, German soldiers, Russian soldiers, British or even Zulus who slaughtered the technologically superior Brits at one time. All those ancestral symbols are just that - symbols for masculinity, but you have to find a relevant current symbol and motivation for that.

The past is past - you live life not forgetting the past, but focusing on the now.

[LeeEnfield303]

Did the Vikings pillage out of religious conviction, or for more prosaic economic/geo-expansion reasons?

This might be a clue.

BTW, I skipped the Vikings and went right to Dirlewanger.

[robreke]

(04-30-2017 06:12 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

we wuz vikangz

OP, guys have hamsters too.

So, you're french huh?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2017 05:53 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

Did the Vikings pillage out of religious conviction, or for more prosaic economic/geo-expansion reasons?

This might be a clue.

Exactly - while theirs was a warrior religion, they raided because their lands were rather difficult to grow, harvests were meager and raiding was part of economic pressure.

Islam has no such excuse for the last 1400 years and is still ongoing and will be still ongoing in 5000 years if we allow it to happen.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2017 06:00 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 06:12 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

we wuz vikangz

OP, guys have hamsters too.

So, you're french huh?

That picture is also moronic.

You are comparing the year 817 with 2017.

Are the Swedes, the Brits doing that now?
They did not even do this more than 200 years ago, even at the height of colonialism. That was the way of life in the year 817 across the world, but 2017 offers different solutions - so burning cars, raping and pillaging is identical to doing it in the year 817?

[rudebwoy]

^Swedes aren't doing much of anything now and they never colonized another country.

The Brits have raped and pillaged throughout history, so it is a bit false to say they NEVER did that. Sure they are the masters of divide and conquer, but they also got blood on their hands. You don't rule the world by being nice.

Are you not originally from Australia? Look what they did in Tasmania.

I was born in Britain, carry the passport and am a Brit at heart.

[Fortis]

This thread continues to deliver the lulz. Well done, RVF. Well done.

[Repo]

Sweden colonized Delaware for a whopping 17 years before being conquered by the Dutch.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Nah - I don't dispute atrocities of the Brits - their English ancestors were equally nasty.

Though to be fair - that is also mostly the elite's fault and not the average Brit out there.

As for conquests and colonizations in history - not all were equal, some brought a superior technology, science and system, while others only destroyed, killed the men and robbed the women.

But no reason to go into that Pandora Box again,

The arguments made by OP simply were not comparable.

Edit - as a personal side-note. I believe that reincarnation is a thing, so any allegiance you have to a country is very hypothetical. You may as well have put in lifetimes of being a black Zulu farmer, a British soldier, an Ottoman soldier, an Ottoman slave eunuch, mostly bunch of farmers and simple workers and women. Some lifetimes may have been more fun or important to you and left more of an imprint. So that is why I personally don't find too much of "pride" in those things. My current body and it's Germanic-Aryan/Russian/Slavic/Jewish/Muslim-Tatar genetic heritage is also hard to pinpoint where to put my allegiance to. My allegiance is mostly to truth, reason, logic and the eternal force hat permeates us all. Our meat-coverings are transient anyway. Alas - that is my personal observation and I don't expect people to believe in any of it and would never force such a belief on folk. Also keep in mind that history is very manipulated in our times - or what parts are especially stressed and repeated forever - all have to focus on the desired elite driven agenda points.

[SamuelBRoberts]

WYB? If yes, you might be a white nationalist.

[Sp5]

This is a part of the origins:

[Alsos]

Welp, this turned out to be a heck of a rabbit hole: https://infogalactic.com/info/Ariosophy

About the only thing I didn't see mentioned while poking around in there was the Shaver Mysteries. Which is a pity, because who wouldn't want to see white nationalists flying around in saucers provided by hollow-earth hell-creatures dredged up from Antarctica?

[Chris Brown]

To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

[Kabal]

(05-02-2017 02:44 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  

To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

To all the black guys on the forum, what stops you from becoming black nationalists? My question is really what makes some blacks go the usual animalistic violent criminal and some can scrape by in normal society? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-02-2017 02:44 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  

To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

After a certain state of consciousness you could never endorse something outright evil.

However some men become Neonazis because they grow up on the streets and Neonazis give them the only form of tribal safety. That is true of some of them.

Also let's face it - many low tier guys are low-IQ and it is the same kind of easy way out to embrace any ideology that gives them any feeling of superiority - We-Waz-kangz, BlackLivesMatter radicals, new Black Panthers (the new ones are straight black supremacists - old Black Panthers were partly better), Antifa-Marxism, Islam - any of those things instantly give you access to an in group of men (and a few women), so you suddenly BECOME SOMEONE.

I have an extended cousin who was a Neonazi in his youth - he grew up without a father and dirt-poor. He turned away from the ideology in his 20s and became quite a strong born-again Christian. He is married now, has a family, visits church often and is a true believer - like daily prayer.

Currently the problem of Nazism is absolutely overstated. And White interest groups or White Nationalism (as in wanting a predominantly white nation state) are clearly legitimate concerns, but they are instantly conflated to being KKK-Hitleresque. Nazi groups should be banned, but I would ban other radical groups like Antifa, BlackLivesMatter (because it creates a false narrative and ignores legitimate reasons - it incites violence). I would also ban Islam.

In our world the mainstream system prefers not to blame Islam for terror, not to blame BlackLivesMatter activists for murdering cops, not to blame black roving gangs for killing and torturing white farmers in Africa. To them it was all about poverty. In reality it was the same racism and intolerance that we saw in Nazi Germany. There is little difference.

Even your question is a symbol of our times. I could ask the same why Black guys don't become supremacists and start murdering Whites and raping white girls whenever they can?

Why aren't you a radical Black Supremacist?

[Chris Brown]

^Black men like myself know that without whites around all hell would break loose, starvation, disease, crime etc. Black nationalists like Malema and Mugabe are short sighted and irrational.

[RawGod]

I'm honestly not sure what the term "white supremacist" means. All I know is that it's one of those bad things, which is supposed to be indefensible. A straw man. Personally, I'm pretty big on the cultural legacy of Europeans - art, music, literature. The Chinese have their own literature, they are not going to keep Shakespeare alive. It's up to white people. I feel genuinely sad when I see that young people are taught that Shakespeare is 90% about how bad sexism was in the old days, with 5% anti-Semitism (I believe a Jew appears in one of Shakepeare's 37 plays) and 5% some other stuff. This is the kind of thing that motivates me as much as anything.

[Kabal]

(05-02-2017 03:43 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I'm honestly not sure what the term "white supremacist" means. All I know is that it's one of those bad things, which is supposed to be indefensible. A straw man. Personally, I'm pretty big on the cultural legacy of Europeans - art, music, literature. The Chinese have their own literature, they are not going to keep Shakespeare alive. It's up to white people. I feel genuinely sad when I see that young people are taught that Shakespeare is 90% about how bad sexism was in the old days, with 5% anti-Semitism (I believe a Jew appears in one of Shakepeare's 37 plays) and 5% some other stuff. This is the kind of thing that motivates me as much as anything.

Whatever, RawGod. So tell us... have you stopped beating your wife?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-01-2017 09:32 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  



WYB? If yes, you might be a white nationalist.

Helmet is too pointy. WNB.

[Fortis]

Zelc,

I'm not a black nationalist because it seems bizarre. I might have common Bantu heritage with some other dude but that doesn't mean we have the same values or goals.

Whenever dudes start talking about (insert colour) revolution I'm like

A descent into tribalism, I guess, is one way to cleanse the gene pool of lesser elements but I don't' really see it as the solution to the world's problems. Not saying that as a mark against the men in this thread who are latching onto Viking imagery or anything, but simply as an answer to the question you (humorously) posited to Chris Brown.

Different views and all that.

Ultimately I just don't feel so heavily defined by my past heritage since what I am is an amalgam of all the groups that met in the new world. I'm ok with this and I'm also ok with the fact that this isn't the case for most men.