[Wutang]

Just like with Hoteps with their "we wuz kangz" ideology we have white nationalists with "we wuz vikangz". The vikings are held up as an ideal that white men should be attempting to live up to with a big part of their appeal being that they are supposed to be exemplar noble savages, fierce warriors that aren't restrained by today's leftist SJW society and are free to live as men.

The things I find strange about this are the following:

- The same people who exalt vikings as noble savage barbarians are the typically the same people who view Muslims as barbarians as well but without the noble part. Vikings are supposed to be bad ass because instead of being tied down by boring civilization andthey spend their time raiding and raping in foreign lands yet when the Muslims were doing so when they began to expand out of the Arabian Peninsula it was an example of a primitive barbaric people wrecking the civilization around them. White nationalists also like to put the Germanic barbarian peoples on a pedestal and point them to them as an example of white warrior ethos but weren't they also a tribal barbarian people that ruined what was once a great advanced civilization (the Roman Empire) and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages? I want to emphasize that I am not a defender of Islam at all but at the same time I also think double standards need to be pointed out.

- These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

[Glaucon]

People just looking for an identity.

[SamuelBRoberts]

I think you may be overthinking it.

Vikings are cool as fuck. Every white man has, at one time in his life, wanted to be a Viking, and go sail a longboat across the high seas to plunder villages with a giant axe. So if you're looking for something historical to aspire to, it's a logical choice.

Little things like "their descendants are SJWs" and "they were brutal raiders, just like Muslims" just don't matter because nobody is thinking about things at that level.

[Tactician]

^ Nailed it. Vikings are cool as fuck and Norse mythology is badass and contains a lot of wisdom.

Edit: For what it's worth, I'm not white, so no pups in this fight.

[RawGod]

Weak trolling 2/10.

[Paracelsus]

(04-30-2017 12:03 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

White nationalists also like to put the Germanic barbarian peoples on a pedestal and point them to them as an example of white warrior ethos but weren't they also a tribal barbarian people that ruined what was once a great advanced civilization (the Roman Empire) and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages?

The Roman Empire was not ruined by the Vikings any more than the current brown south to north migration is ruining the United States. The Viking incursions into Europe -- as foederati in particular -- were a symptom, not a cause of the Empire's destruction. The Empire died for much the same reasons as current nations turn into failed states: economic, specifically, because the people with ultimate power voted themselves more and more money from the public purse. In the Empire's case, it was the legions: by the late stages of the Empire they had assumed the role of kingmaker and the emperors found themselves having to pay them off to a larger and larger extent to avoid being overthrown.

Which is not to amp up the Viking/Goth/barbarian culture as anything too special. The Vikings in particular existed mainly because Norway and Sweden were badly overcrowded, and they had their own methods of population control, including the taking of slaves.

[CleanSlate]

Legit question. I'm surprised at the dismissiveness so far to the OP.

If Muslims are barbarians for beheading journalists with a knife, how are Vikings "cool as fuck" for raiding and plundering villages with axes?*

*this is not a defense of Muslims or Islam or any of their actions (or inaction against the radicalism within their own people).

[Paracelsus]

(04-30-2017 01:02 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Legit question. I'm surprised at the dismissiveness so far to the OP.

If Muslims are barbarians for beheading journalists with a knife, how are Vikings "cool as fuck" for raiding and plundering villages with axes?*

*this is not a defense of Muslims or Islam or any of their actions (or inaction against the radicalism within their own people).

...I guess because the Vikings stopped beheading people about one thousand years ago?

[RawGod]

(04-30-2017 01:02 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Legit question. I'm surprised at the dismissiveness so far to the OP.

If Muslims are barbarians for beheading journalists with a knife, how are Vikings "cool as fuck" for raiding and plundering villages with axes?*

*this is not a defense of Muslims or Islam or any of their actions (or inaction against the radicalism within their own people).

OK, I'll bite though I suspect passive aggressive trolling here.
Those interested in reclaiming white identity don't give a shit about fair and reasonable equivalences. It's about US vs THEM. Our tribe wielding axes is cool, them doing it is barbarous. Simple enough?

Of course there is a lot more I could say about the appeal of Norse culture, but enough with this false equivalence bullshit. If a certain tribe is smiting in the name of Allah, we either reclaim the same amount of testosterone in service of our own tribe and tribal gods, or we make posts like the OP while our nations and DNA disappears.

And yes, no-one is really going out and raiding like the Vikings. It's still LARPing at this point, but it's an example of a first step towards an identity that isn't based on cucking.

[Jean Valjean]

Maybe Vikings are idealized more than Muslims because it's easier to put on a pedestal those who are no longer around? It's like how we can idealize George Washington or Thomas Jefferson because they're no longer around to weigh in on current events, and the less flattering details of their lives have been elided in the history books. As the poem goes:

Carl Wendell Hines Jr. Wrote:

Now that he is safely dead,
Let us praise him.
Build monuments to his glory.
Sing Hosannas to his name.

Dead men make such convenient heroes.
For they cannot rise to challenge the images
That we might fashion from their lives.

If Vikings were still around, they'd either be raiding the countryside (and therefore a menace we'd have to demonize in order to muster popular support for doing something about them) or sitting around on reservations drinking firewater and living off casino money (which we'd regard as pathetic). But since they're not around, we can just focus on their coolness.

If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

[RawGod]

Symbols are symbols. We can laugh at African Americans with their "we waz kangz", but creating myths is what tribes do. A brand new myth has an element of unreality to it. White people are attempting to create a new kind of myth and new identity. The results may be more or less successful, but given another century I think people of European descent will have settled on some new myths with survival value. Partly the problem is that the decline of Christianity has left a vacuum.

[TheWhiteWolf]

I guess the Viking era appeals for many reasons. First off it was a time when men were free to be masculine and aggressive. The Vikings were not pushovers they went out and took what they wanted whether it be women or gold. Secondly many view the Nordic race as a prime example of human perfectionism. As many nationalists have a fetish for blue eyes and blond hair

[CleanSlate]

I'm not passive aggressively trolling.

I just don't like this "us vs them" mentality and I'm willing to call it out when I see it. But yeah, it's much easier to idolize a person or a tribe when they've been dead for a hundred or thousand of years.

[Fast Eddie]

(04-30-2017 01:12 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:02 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Legit question. I'm surprised at the dismissiveness so far to the OP.

If Muslims are barbarians for beheading journalists with a knife, how are Vikings "cool as fuck" for raiding and plundering villages with axes?*

*this is not a defense of Muslims or Islam or any of their actions (or inaction against the radicalism within their own people).

OK, I'll bite though I suspect passive aggressive trolling here.
Those interested in reclaiming white identity don't give a shit about fair and reasonable equivalences. It's about US vs THEM. Our tribe wielding axes is cool, them doing it is barbarous. Simple enough?

Of course there is a lot more I could say about the appeal of Norse culture, but enough with this false equivalence bullshit. If a certain tribe is smiting in the name of Allah, we either reclaim the same amount of testosterone in service of our own tribe and tribal gods, or we make posts like the OP while our nations and DNA disappears.

And yes, no-one is really going out and raiding like the Vikings. It's still LARPing at this point, but it's an example of a first step towards an identity that isn't based on cucking.

Bingo!

I can't believe the question in the OP was even asked. Might as well ask players on a basketball team how they can think it's "good" to score, after all, aren't they trying to deny the other team from scoring and are thus hypocrites? Real life is no different from a basketball game in the end goal: you're trying to win, and in order for your team to win the other team has to lose. The only difference is that you can choose to play or not to play basketball, whereas in real life, you can fool yourself into thinking there are no teams and the game is to sing kumbayah, but you won't fool reality.

As for Muslims vs Vikings, the Vikings punched above their weight both technologically and militarily. Their life was unencumbered by the totalitarian drudgery of Islam. Eventually, the Vikings gave up their savage ways and their descendants punched way, way above their weight in scientific and technological contributions.

The Muslims have yet to show the ability to do any of that. They have failed to keep up technologically, and their savagery as it exists today is allowed to exist only at the mercy of their long-suffering victims. We could wipe them out at the push of a button if the will was there. The Muslims are like a vicious rabid rat that is running around the feet of a man that could stomp him to the next dimension if he chose to. Nothing badass about that.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-30-2017 01:27 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

I'm not passive aggressively trolling.

I just don't like this "us vs them" mentality and I'm willing to call it out when I see it. But yeah, it's much easier to idolize a person or a tribe when they've been dead for a hundred or thousand of years.

I would prefer to get by without an "Us versus Them" mentality too, but it's worth noting that the Viking stuff only really took off after the refugee "crisis" and Islam became a real threat.

If one side wants to form a "them', if we don't form an "us" we just get trampled.

[Jean Valjean]

(04-30-2017 01:43 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I would prefer to get by without an "Us versus Them" mentality too, but it's worth noting that the Viking stuff only really took off after the refugee "crisis" and Islam became a real threat.

In prison, white nationalists have been into the Viking stuff for a long time. That's partly because if they say "I practice asatru" they get to hang out in the chapel together without being considered a gang. Although now the humanists are getting in on the action too, so that may attract away some of the atheist white nationalists.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-30-2017 02:08 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:43 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I would prefer to get by without an "Us versus Them" mentality too, but it's worth noting that the Viking stuff only really took off after the refugee "crisis" and Islam became a real threat.

In prison, white nationalists have been into the Viking stuff for a long time. That's partly because if they say "I practice asatru" they get to hang out in the chapel together without being considered a gang. Although now the humanists are getting in on the action too, so that may attract away some of the atheist white nationalists.

It's been around, sure, but it was fringe. It's not quite as fringe anymore.

[Leonard D Neubache]

If 99.99 percent of muslims want to join the civilised world and then live vicariously through the murderous deeds of their ancestors, getting shitty tattoos of them and buying cheap reproduction scimitars while predictably going off to their boring jobs and not engaging in jihad then I'll call that a win for humanity.

[frenchcorporation]

we wuz vikangz

OP, guys have hamsters too.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^See? The vikings were superior because they wore clothes. At least other than sneakers.

What kind of barbarian runs around killing and raping wearing nothing but Reboks?

God damn savages.

[weambulance]

I doubt OP is actually confused.

White nationalists think "Vikings are like us".
White nationalists think "Muslims are not like us, and they're attacking us".

What a fucking mystery that was, given the hardwired tribal nature of humanity. Do I get a Detective of the Year trophy for sorting it out?

And of course, as Paracelsus said, the Vikings were brutal in a brutal time. So was everyone else, or they didn't last. Vikings are romantic in popular culture today. The muslims are brutal now and there's nothing romantic at all about running kids over with buses and taking sex slaves and whatnot.

But yeah, muslims and Vikings are totes the same.

If you want to take things further, it's obvious that the progeny of ~1000 AD Europe made the most advanced civilizations in the world, whereas islamic nations have existed in various states from rank barbarism to mere third world totalitarianism, but never lifted themselves up. So why the hell would anyone venerate them?

[Repo]

(04-30-2017 06:12 AM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

we wuz vikangz

OP, guys have hamsters too.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

This thread reminds me of a David O'Doherty comedy bit on the Vikings.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jrz78o/sta...he-vikings

I wish I could find the whole thing online, but it looks like it has long since been deleted from Youtube and Dailymotion.

[Jetset]

Lost it at "we wuz vikangs".

[atlant]

(04-30-2017 01:27 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

I'm not passive aggressively trolling.

I just don't like this "us vs them" mentality and I'm willing to call it out when I see it. But yeah, it's much easier to idolize a person or a tribe when they've been dead for a hundred or thousand of years.

It absolutely is us vs them. And that is completely fine. In this case the "us" is, from a historical and cultural perspective, objectively superior, but even if it wasn't, I'd have no issue subscribing to the same philosophy, just as I'd protect my own family before anyone else's.