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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war
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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

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So just like the 15,000 strong jihadi watchlist in France, the watch-lists in America will become functionally worthless (they probably have already).

"Watching" people is worthless if you can't do anything until "right of 'boom."

"Known" wolves.....everywhere.

Лучше поздно, чем никогда

...life begins at "70% Warning Level."....
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#52

Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Vox Day's article here is highly relevant.

Kyle Chapman is Based Stick Man.

Key terms: (1) Omni-nationalism is the idea that all races and creeds have the right to a self-controlled homeland. Zionism is great in Israel, but invalid everywhere else. Similarly, America-first is great in America, but invalid anywhere else. (2) Imperialism, a.k.a. Ultra-Nationalism, is embodied by Neocons - and is defined as believing your own nation's customs are so awesome that every nation should follow them, by force of necessary. (3) Civic Nationalism, a.k.a. Alt-Lite, is a version of nationalism that also believes immigration (whether limited or not) is essential to growing the strength of a nation. Omni-nationalists believe racial identity of immigrants limits their ability to assimilate, but Civic Nationalists believe that most immigrants assimilate and that the immigrant perspective is a beautiful addition to the nation.

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You don't win by running from your extremists and stabbing them in the back in order to try to win the approval of the center. See: Sinn Fein. And yet, it appears elements of the Alt-Lite intend to make exactly the same mistake that Bill Buckley and his followers did when they banished dissidents from the conservative movement and created the Alt-Right in the first place. A report from Berkeley from someone who has been active there since the start:

Antifa's tactics rely heavily on police non-involvement. In this case, police arrested Antifa wearing masks and also patrolled the nearest parking garage, allegedly catching a truck of Antifa with explosives as a result. They also did NOT disarm our side nearly as much and allowed us to wear masks since they weren't for identity concealment.

While Antifa's tactics are somewhat sophisticated, they don't appear to be flexible or adaptive. 2/1, 3/4, 4/15, and 4/27 were all the same. There were more Antifa present than a first glance suggests, as many of them came in quietly to check out our supplies and our numbers. They must have decided we were too well prepared to attack, at least without their explosives.

One big question of the day was who would the 2 PM start time hurt more: us or them? There are various factors, so can't say for sure, but it would appear to have hurt them more. The numbers we got were key, but that may not be repeatable as the urgency will fade the longer we go without violent confrontation.

I see a disconnect between the rank and file and the leadership, particularly the Oath Keepers and Kyle Chapman. The rally attendees are mostly there to push back and to support free speech. They either don't mind or LOVE Nathan Damigo and the TRS/IE/TDS guys, who literally saved lives on 4/15. Kyle and the OK, on the other hand, actively conspire to prevent any white nationalists from speaking on the open mic and don't want them at the events.

For now, no question, everyone is following Kyle, which makes perfect sense. So far we have the fighters, the medics, and the lawyers working under Kyle's banner.

There's a delegation issue on our side, likely the result of not yet knowing who can be trusted to get things done. I do my own thing with my own group but found it was very difficult to make use of volunteers who didn't have an extraordinary amount of personal initiative bc every decision had to be run by Kyle and Kyle never had time to respond.

The Oath Keepers are a pain in the ass to work with. There was some confusion in the morning bc they were telling people that "the neo-nazis" had been arrested, giving the impression it was Nathan's group. Turns out they use neo-nazi as an all-purpose slur and it was actually Antifa who were arrested. In general the OK have survived by being extremely decorous when it comes to the law, so they are basically the nagging mom on the scene, "I don't like this group, I don't like that group. You can't do X, can't do Y [when actually X and Y are perfectly legal]." Understandable but annoying.

I didn't see this "Millennials vs Boomers" thing at all at this event. The Boomers who showed up are much further right than the youngins. I'm curious to see what comes out of the ghetto going forward. After both events, I ended up talking with young black men from Oakland who consume a ton of YouTube and were hella woke, perfectly happy to embrace TDS guys bc they said people in the hood are sick of the discivic antics of Antifa and BLM.


They aren't the only Alt-Lite group about which I've heard the same failed strategy of running to the center being embraced. The thing that is so stupid about the strategy is that it is bound to fail because it is based on a false assumption that people want to be chased rather than led. The moderate conceptual model can't explain why Ronald Reagan got more votes, and was more popular, than the more moderate George Bush. They can't understand why people will respond so much more positively to those whose nationalism is outside the framework that the mainstream media deems to be reasonable. They can't understand what Osama bin Laden meant by "the strong horse".

And they'll never see it coming when, like the Tea Party, they suddenly find that the parade they think they are leading has abruptly gone in another direction. If it didn't work for the mainstream media, if it didn't work for the American political establishment, if it didn't work for the British political establishment, or for the European political establishments, it certainly isn't going to work for them. These massive waves of social mood cannot be managed, muzzled, or controlled.

I appreciate what the moderates of the Alt-Lite are trying to accomplish, but the current trend is very clear. Nationalism is rising. Not civic nationalism, not paperwork nationalism, not state patriotism, not any other facsimile, but real, genuine, linguistic-religious-genetic nationalism. And the post-It's a Small World Happy Time Credit Boom pendulum has barely even begun swinging back. Anyone and anything that stands in the way of that is going to find itself going to find itself going by the wayside sooner or later.

Omni-nationalism, not civic nationalism or imperialism, much less multiculturalism or globalism, is the future. The world will be a confederation of nations, not a global federation of denationalized, deracinated, demoralized states. Which, of course, is why the Alt-Right is going to subsume the Alt-Lite, at least, those elements which don't wind up drifting to the Left like the Never Trumpers did.

It is, of course, more than a bit ironic that self-appointed "free speech advocates" are themselves attempting to prevent others from speaking. You'd think people so obsessed with optics would be capable of grasping that they are creating a serious credibility problem for themselves.

UPDATE: To quote Cernovich, few understand this. Almost all the rank and file and 100% of those vying for leadership positions believe appealing to the center is the key. Long run, it won't matter.

Ye cats. To think some still can't understand why I have zero interest in leading anyone anywhere. MPAI. If you learn nothing else here, remember that.
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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Quote: (04-29-2017 10:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (04-29-2017 07:20 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

Good discussion in here. I am also generally pessimistic. Demographics are destiny. The fact the average conservative doesn't realize this is insanity. There is not one immigrant demographic that supports smaller government. Most groups support bigger government by huge margins (80-20). This is even true for high income groups such as Indians/Chinese.

The Spartans might have disagreed.


What do you mean specifically? I think they would agree given their demographic decline led to their downfall.
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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Quote: (04-29-2017 12:51 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

What do you mean specifically? I think they would agree given their demographic decline led to their downfall.

I was merely alluding to the fact that demographics only equal destiny if democracy or the universal franchise are assumed as ongoing factors.

All societies seemed destined to fail eventually, but the Spartans at their height were a fractional minority compared to the numbers of slaves they possessed and they still kicked ass and chewed bubblegum all day long.

Not advocating a shift to becoming slave overlords. Merely noting that the assumption of democracy or the universal franchise continuing into infinity is just that. An assumption. Not a guarantee.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Quote: (04-29-2017 10:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (04-29-2017 07:20 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

Good discussion in here. I am also generally pessimistic. Demographics are destiny. The fact the average conservative doesn't realize this is insanity. There is not one immigrant demographic that supports smaller government. Most groups support bigger government by huge margins (80-20). This is even true for high income groups such as Indians/Chinese.

The Spartans might have disagreed.

Freud said: Anatomy is destiny. I tend to believe the old Fraud on some counts.

The Spartans might have agreed!


The OP is a young gun and high on life, as spotted by Leonard.

But us old salty dogs know it is not as simple as that. Read Leonard's posts in this thread for why not, if you are still hard of thinking.

Sure, we'd love to go to war. We could go to war. But it would be futile. It would be ineffective.

It might be possible to do some 'really bad shit', but it would include killing civilians and people not really involved in the fight. We aren't prepared to do that. You can't get to the people you need to take out, so it's all a moot point.

Op has not realised this yet. But he will. Hence Leonard's real talk.

I berate people for not having the guts and the where with all to write a letter to their MP. I also see how writing a letter to your MP is absolutely futile. But don't knock it till you tried it!

This war we are fighting will not be won by bombs or bullets or deaths - it will be won by hearts and minds. And the internet is are playground. One we are losing.




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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Quote: (04-27-2017 10:18 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (04-27-2017 10:15 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Quote: (04-26-2017 11:26 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (04-26-2017 11:04 PM)Yarbles Wrote:  

If you guys are tired of this shit and sick of gaming bar slags you should think about joining Identity Europa.

Aren't they one of those "Uphold the purity of the white race, only marry white chicks!" groups? Or am I mixing them up with someone else.
That group sounds awesome! Can I join?

Depends, do you want to marry a white chick?

Why limit yourself to white chicks when you can sign up here to marry RVF daughters?

"Does PUA say that I just need to get to f-close base first here and some weird chemicals will be released in her brain to make her a better person?"
-Wonitis
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Berkeley shows that conservatives are irrelevant in the hot civil war

Quote: (04-26-2017 11:46 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (04-26-2017 11:35 PM)Yarbles Wrote:  

These people are taking over all of our institutions and we're dropping the ball and I can't just sit around anymore. The pussy is a fleeting illusion and most of you should know it by now.

It's not "the pussy". It's the fact that the demographics in the US are long-term fucked. The people are stupid. We've gone from exploring the galaxy to exploring "the spectrum of sexuality". Everything is breaking. And it's going to keep breaking, and it's going to keep getting worse.

You cannot stop this. There is not a thing you can do, on the local level, the state level, the national level, that will make the slightest bit of difference against this encroaching tide of misery.

But if you have skills, not much in the way of attachments, and a willingness to try something new, you can certainly leave. Go to another country that's less crap.

Just walk away. Let this place fall apart. Let the people who prize "diversity" get it in the ass when 50 feral blacks swarm their train and rob them at gunpoint. Let the guys who prize "inclusivity" enjoy their unemployment when every other race prioritizes their own above whites when it comes time to hire someone for that job. Let the ones who prize "caring" take in tens of thousands of unsanitary refugees to make their food, and then enjoy their tuberculosis.

Wash your hands of the idiots, leave them to wallow in their self-righteousness, and form a better life someplace sane.

Interesting juxtaposition between your post and your signature quote

I'm the tower of power, too sweet to be sour. I'm funky like a monkey. Sky's the limit and space is the place!
-Randy Savage
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