[TigOlBitties]

If anything, this SJW hysteria makes me less empathetic towards blacks, women, white guilt manginas, etc.

I'm sure some snowflake will read this and claim "muh racism", but I'd rather deal with reality and learn from it than rewrite history and cater to extremely sensitive feelz.

Had they just taken down the white power monument, I would understand and agree. But as we've already seen, it won't stop at that.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I've never used to care about this Confederate monument removal project, but upon reading the discussion above I have become strongly opposed to it. Excelsior's arguments not only fail to persuade the reader of the necessity of the removal, but actually manage to provoke the animosity of even the most disinterested passer-by with no dog in this fight and not even a fleeting interest in the matter. If that's the best the pro-removal side has to offer, USA is looking at dark days ahead. Sorry.

Signed: The least racist person ever

[stugatz]

Leonard, you may be from down under, but you understand the problem better than three-quarters of Americans. Bravo.

(I don't know if social tensions with the aborigines/Maori/islanders in Australia and New Zealand has a similar tone to it. I'm familiar only with "National Sorry Day".)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Currently the anti-Confederates are on the side of the violent left, the Antifa, the sharia crowd and everyone else who claims that the US was founded on genocide and slavery. Yes - American settlers only enslaved and killed - there was nothing else coming from them.

I have made the statement that they are coming for others - Andrew Jackson is next on the chopping block. Andrew Jackson was likely one of the best independent presidents the US ever had and he was the last one who fought successfully against the globalist bankers (was almost assassinated for that - both pistols misfired). He closed the first globalist owned bank.

But yeah - let the sheep be brainwashed into believing that some Confederate politicians speak for the rest of them, let us best assume that they speak for all. Meanwhile the Muslim world is invited as the oppressed poor underclass while the West had to force them to abolish slavery in the 1940s to 1985. Istanbul in the 1940s was consisting of 30-40% slaves, but that is fine. They are fine.

Why can't you take the monuments as signs of fallen warriors who only partly fought during the Civil War, but who also died during other conflicts that shaped the nation?

This is a sickness of the left and it will spread. This historical revisionism directed purely against Whites is fucked up. Maybe they should put up monuments of black slave holders in the South. That will counter the narrative a bit.

[Mekorig]

Already said it. Beware of those who want to tear doen monuments, because their real reason is to rewrite history to their iwn twisted ends.

[Quintus Curtius]

There’s a bigger picture to all this.

Suppose you are a child in a family that has an abusive mother or father. When your abusive parent beats on you, you can’t lash out back against him or her. They have too much power. What you do is you lash out against your brother or sister, because they’re an easy target.

This describes a lot of what is happening in the US today. The very top of the pyramid—the privileged 1%--has taken everything for itself. And I mean everything. It’s the plutocratic insurgency. They control all the wealth. Everyone else is left to fend for themselves. There is a mad scramble to fight over the scraps.

If you live in Europe or Australia, your health care is guaranteed, and your education is subsidized. Most countries in the world try to provide the basics for their people. In America, the average guy—whether he’s black or white—gets nothing. Zero. He knows, deep down, that his government doesn’t give a shit about him. And he’s very, very angry. So are women. Women are just as pissed off.

So you have this dynamic in the US where everybody is furious. Everybody is angry. So what do they do? They lash out at the people they can get at. Women lash out at men, men lash out at women, and ethnic groups tear at each other.

Symbols of old traditions and authority become fair game, because people have no other way to express their rage. Being poor in America is hard, hard, hard, because the culture here is cruel to people. They don’t care if you die in the street or not.

And the plutocrats want it this way. They want us all to be fighting among ourselves. They want everyone to be distracted with all these cosmetic issues (like these statues), so that you can avoid looking at the only real issues that matter: that your government has betrayed you, that you have very little, that you have no health care, and that you are going to be a slave to debt. That is the message.

Once you understand this, so much falls into place. Symbols of tradition and authority are under attack because people are lashing out over the fact that they are marginalized, broke, and have nothing. It's an expression of frustration. And I don’t see the problem getting solved any time soon. In fact, the plutocrats are doubling down on their program. They don’t want to just have it all: they want to rub our noses in it, too. And they own the government completely: the Congress and the presidency.

Local political leaders sense they have no power to solve real problems, and so they too take refuge in symbolic nonsense. It’s easier for them to focus on symbolic things like statues in public parks, than to solve real problems that affect people every day.

So the end result is that we are all squabbling with each other, while the real enemy—the top 1%--gets off scot-free. You’re never going to have a perfect society, but every government has a minimum responsibility for its people. And ours is failing miserably at honoring this covenant. And when things get bad in the US's "household," all the different "children" (i.e., us) start to fight with each other. Over any pretext that we can find. This is the real tragedy.

We are headed for big, big trouble in the years ahead. Because as the pie gets smaller, people are going to be attacking each other more and more, because they have no other outlet.

[Excelsior]

(05-29-2017 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Let me ask you, Ex. Do you support the removal of all Vietnam War memorials or do you support the napalming of children and the massacre of My Lai?

Choose one, because any nuance or attempt to find a middle ground basically means you're only sort of supporting child massacres.

Really. How are Vietnamese Americans supposed to drive past those monuments and explain to their doe-eyed, sweet and innocent little baby girl why America is honouring the men who dropped liquid hell on their grandmother and bayoneted their grandfather?

You'll need to ask the Vietnamese-Americans about that. I do not know their perspective on that history well enough (certainly not as well as I understand the black perspective with regard to the confederacy) to give you an answer.

Quote:

Yeah, apparently I still support the confederacy.

Either Ex doesn't get it or he's being deliberately obtuse.

I think we're simply in disagreement and it's best to leave it at that.

[debeguiled]

(05-29-2017 11:56 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

There’s a bigger picture to all this.

Suppose you are a child in a family that has an abusive mother or father. When your abusive parent beats on you, you can’t lash out back against him or her. They have too much power. What you do is you lash out against your brother or sister, because they’re an easy target.

This describes a lot of what is happening in the US today. The very top of the pyramid—the privileged 1%--has taken everything for itself. And I mean everything. It’s the plutocratic insurgency. They control all the wealth. Everyone else is left to fend for themselves. There is a mad scramble to fight over the scraps.

If you live in Europe or Australia, your health care is guaranteed, and your education is subsidized. Most countries in the world try to provide the basics for their people. In America, the average guy—whether he’s black or white—gets nothing. Zero. He knows, deep down, that his government doesn’t give a shit about him. And he’s very, very angry. So are women. Women are just as pissed off.

So you have this dynamic in the US where everybody is furious. Everybody is angry. So what do they do? They lash out at the people they can get at. Women lash out at men, men lash out at women, and ethnic groups tear at each other.

Symbols of old traditions and authority become fair game, because people have no other way to express their rage. Being poor in America is hard, hard, hard, because the culture here is cruel to people. They don’t care if you die in the street or not.

And the plutocrats want it this way. They want us all to be fighting among ourselves. They want everyone to be distracted with all these cosmetic issues (like these statues), so that you can avoid looking at the only real issues that matter: that your government has betrayed you, that you have very little, that you have no health care, and that you are going to be a slave to debt. That is the message.

Once you understand this, so much falls into place. Symbols of tradition and authority are under attack because people are lashing out over the fact that they are marginalized, broke, and have nothing. And I don’t see the problem getting solved any time soon. In fact, the plutocrats are doubling down on their program. They don’t want to just have it all: they want to rub our noses in it, too. And they own the government completely: the Congress and the presidency.

Local political leaders sense they have no power to solve real problems, and so they too take refuge in symbolic nonsense. It’s easier for them to focus on symbolic things like statues in public parks, than to solve real problems that affect people every day.

So the end result is that we are all squabbling with each other, while the real enemy—the top 1%--gets off scot-free. You’re never going to have a perfect society, but every government has a minimum responsibility for its people. And ours is failing miserably at honoring this covenant.

We are headed for big, big trouble in the years ahead. Because as the pie gets smaller, people are going to be attacking each other more and more, because they have no other outlet.

I believe that an extremely wise, kind, loving, near Christlike forum member already said this:

thread-62429...pid1579766

[sagely scholar]

(05-27-2017 10:53 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

We're talking about a nation founded upon the defense and perpetuation of slavery and rampant inequality.

"Land of the free" yields the above. Automatically since freedom and equality are in direct conflict with each other.

Are the rejecting the foundational idea of the American Dream?

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...so the statue [...] must stand, then?

Yes.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-29-2017 11:56 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

This describes a lot of what is happening in the US today. The very top of the pyramid—the privileged 1%--has taken everything for itself. And I mean everything. It’s the plutocratic insurgency. They control all the wealth. Everyone else is left to fend for themselves. There is a mad scramble to fight over the scraps.

If you live in Europe or Australia, your health care is guaranteed, and your education is subsidized. Most countries in the world try to provide the basics for their people. In America, the average guy—whether he’s black or white—gets nothing. Zero. He knows, deep down, that his government doesn’t give a shit about him. And he’s very, very angry. So are women. Women are just as pissed off.


....And the plutocrats want it this way. They want us all to be fighting among ourselves. They want everyone to be distracted with all these cosmetic issues (like these statues), so that you can avoid looking at the only real issues that matter: that your government has betrayed you, that you have very little, that you have no health care, and that you are going to be a slave to debt. That is the message.

So the end result is that we are all squabbling with each other, while the real enemy—the top 1%--gets off scot-free. You’re never going to have a perfect society, but every government has a minimum responsibility for its people. And ours is failing miserably at honoring this covenant. And when things get bad in the US's "household," all the different "children" (i.e., us) start to fight with each other. Over any pretext that we can find. This is the real tragedy.

We are headed for big, big trouble in the years ahead. Because as the pie gets smaller, people are going to be attacking each other more and more, because they have no other outlet.

I don't know that I agree as to the cause (lack of a government that cares about its people is pretty common, world wide,), but I think QC is generally right. The pie getting smaller has more to do with this - brought on by globalism, technology, population migration, cheap labor, etc.

I also think a more cynical person could find all kinds of alternative identifying labels for the generic "1%/plutocrats" term applied to the people getting us to fight among each other. Always ask: "cui bono?" Who benefits?

Being that today is memorial day, I wonder how many people made the link to the fact it was created to honor civil war dead - from both sides, union AND confederate. Given this, wouldn't it be consistent for the federal government to limit the holiday to half a day so as to not honor all of the evil racists who fought for the confederacy?

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either.

[debeguiled]

Joking aside, I completely agree with QC. This used to be a land of plenty. It was easier for the 01% to give us scraps than to deny them, and now the reverse is true, and we are falling for it by arguing and sometimes physically fighting over symbols and incomplete narratives.

[JayMillz]

Washington (CNN)Baltimore may follow "in the footsteps of New Orleans" and remove the city's Confederate monuments, the city's mayor says.

"The city does want to remove these," Catherine Pugh told reporters after a news conference on Friday. "We'll take a closer look at it and see how we go about the business of following in the footsteps of New Orleans."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/29/politi...monuments/

[Samseau]

Civil War Museums being shut down now too: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/with-confe...z4opJ3GTI/

So much for remembering these statues in another place...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This memorial day - progressive mood is increasing as I predicted:





The soldiers who died fighting Nazis are of course SS.

This anti-White purge has barely begun.

[Barry Scrotada]

(05-29-2017 04:14 AM)Gaston Wrote:  

Quote:

Damn, man....

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we got two foreigners--a Jamaican and an Australian--arguing about old statues of Confederate generals in a city neither one of them has ever lived in.

So what? You haven't lived in ancient times either, but that doesn's stop you from expert-lecturing others about the "classics".

Where did this attitude come from? Aren't you late for school?

   

[redbeard]

Somewhat related, but I had no idea they placed an indoctrination piece in front of the iconic Charging Bull:



Of course, feminism is being used as a tool for profit. From wikipedia:

Quote:

On March 7, 2017, the night before International Women's Day, another bronze sculpture, Fearless Girl, was placed directly in front of Charging Bull. The statue was designed by Kristen Visbal and commissioned by State Street Global Advisers (SSgA) as part of a marketing campaign for their gender-diverse index fund.[22] Fearless Girl was placed facing the bull, and seems to be staring it down.[23] The city granted a permit allowing Fearless Girl to stay on the site for at least 11 months.[24]

Sad

[TigOlBitties]

You go gurls

Supporting a naïve, pouting little gurl in front of a masculine bull that signifies strength and progress will really help your regressive, I mean progressive, cause. That will really teach us evil men that build civilizations and keep you safe, all the while putting up with your constant whining.

Such strong, independent womyn need a spoiled little gurl to represent them.

[zigZag]

(05-31-2017 03:49 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

Somewhat related, but I had no idea they placed an indoctrination piece in front of the iconic Charging Bull:



Of course, feminism is being used as a tool for profit. From wikipedia:

Quote:

On March 7, 2017, the night before International Women's Day, another bronze sculpture, Fearless Girl, was placed directly in front of Charging Bull. The statue was designed by Kristen Visbal and commissioned by State Street Global Advisers (SSgA) as part of a marketing campaign for their gender-diverse index fund.[22] Fearless Girl was placed facing the bull, and seems to be staring it down.[23] The city granted a permit allowing Fearless Girl to stay on the site for at least 11 months.[24]

Sad

Feminism has ALWAYS been a tool for profit. Fun fact. Back in the day 20s 30s 40s 50s... When Feminism was just starting to gain a head of steam... Cigarette producers wanted to get women to smoke so they could sell more products... ANDDD they had feminists who were protesting light up cigarettes as a way to show their independence and strength... It's always like been like this.

[BassPlayaYo]

(05-31-2017 03:49 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

Somewhat related, but I had no idea they placed an indoctrination piece in front of the iconic Charging Bull:



Of course, feminism is being used as a tool for profit. From wikipedia:

Quote:

On March 7, 2017, the night before International Women's Day, another bronze sculpture, Fearless Girl, was placed directly in front of Charging Bull. The statue was designed by Kristen Visbal and commissioned by State Street Global Advisers (SSgA) as part of a marketing campaign for their gender-diverse index fund.[22] Fearless Girl was placed facing the bull, and seems to be staring it down.[23] The city granted a permit allowing Fearless Girl to stay on the site for at least 11 months.[24]

Sad

Women should go to Spain and try that during the running of the bulls...

[TigerMandingo]

That bull statue has nothing to do with "toxic masculinity" like those idiots think.

According to its creator the " theme is the energy, strength, and unpredictability of the stock market".

So what is that little girl opposed to, then? Financial opportunity?

[TigerMandingo]

Great post by QC, one that really cuts to the heart of the matter.

To add to it, I'll say that every once in a while the ruling oligarchy likes to open old wounds, such as slavery, in order to continue to divide and conquer. It's just a tactic that happens to work very, very well.

And the peasants fall for it every time. Today it's the monuments, tomorrow they're gonna commemorate the birthday of some unknown abolitionist from the 1840s on CNN. Meanwhile, they run away with all the fucking money and power..

[iop890]

The little girl statue is a perfect representation of feminism.

It's a girl that's so naive and brainwashed by grrlpower propaganda that she thinks she can intimidate a giant raging bull.

The only way it could be better is if it was animated and she got stomped out by the bull of reality every day.

[Sombro]

“In the Soviet Union, the future is known. It’s the past that keeps changing.”

[kaotic]

It gets better - the girl is getting peed on by a little dog now.

[All or Nothing]

(05-31-2017 04:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

It gets better - the girl is getting peed on by a little dog now.

Good. This little girl statue ruined the imagery of the bull. The bull epitomized the pitched Wall Street battles that would occur as highly competitive men in finance fought for market supremacy and to win big by making the correct bets.