Quote: (04-17-2017 12:57 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:
Im not looking to put a hit out on the guys that did this for the record
Oh, yeah, don't worry.
Hidey-ho, RVFerinos!
Quote: (04-17-2017 12:57 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:
Im not looking to put a hit out on the guys that did this for the record
Quote: (04-17-2017 09:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
What follows is hypothetical, but to be higher in the food chain than them, and therefore able to seek retribution, you'd need to know how to gather intelligence on them, and would then need the kind of people in your phone book who can be trusted implements of retaliation - the kind of people who can do things, and then not talk about them - professionals. You would also need to be able to plan the kind of act that was relatively proportionate, but final, and unlikely to invite further investigation. You aren't that guy. If you were that guy, chances are high you'd know well enough that the heat it could bring wouldn't be worth it for a punch in the guts and a slight that has already been and gone.
What you're proposing seems likely to be either futile or counter-productive - neither of which is useful to you. Retribution is generally best left to professionals, for everyone else, it is most likely just to bring more suffering.
Quote: (04-17-2017 09:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
Quote: (04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:
Quote: (04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.
It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.
Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.
I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.
The problem you have is that they can push you around, and there's really nothing you can do about it. They are the front line of the law, with the ability to collude and abuse the power they have. Their ability to make your life difficult is way beyond your ability to make theirs difficult.
What follows is hypothetical, but to be higher in the food chain than them, and therefore able to seek retribution, you'd need to know how to gather intelligence on them, and would then need the kind of people in your phone book who can be trusted implements of retaliation - the kind of people who can do things, and then not talk about them - professionals. You would also need to be able to plan the kind of act that was relatively proportionate, but final, and unlikely to invite further investigation. You aren't that guy. If you were that guy, chances are high you'd know well enough that the heat it could bring wouldn't be worth it for a punch in the guts and a slight that has already been and gone.
What you're proposing seems likely to be either futile or counter-productive - neither of which is useful to you. Retribution is generally best left to professionals, for everyone else, it is most likely just to bring more suffering.
Quote: (04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:
Quote: (04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.
It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.
Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.
I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.
Quote: (04-18-2017 01:41 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:
Quote: (04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:
Quote: (04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.
It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.
Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.
I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.
Does your friend know you're asking him to rough up cops? Even with a perfect set up, they can just hammer the place's liquor license with petty offenses till he's
fired and blackballed all over town.