[Jetset]

(04-17-2017 12:57 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Im not looking to put a hit out on the guys that did this for the record

Oh, yeah, don't worry.

[TigerMandingo]

(04-17-2017 09:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

What follows is hypothetical, but to be higher in the food chain than them, and therefore able to seek retribution, you'd need to know how to gather intelligence on them, and would then need the kind of people in your phone book who can be trusted implements of retaliation - the kind of people who can do things, and then not talk about them - professionals. You would also need to be able to plan the kind of act that was relatively proportionate, but final, and unlikely to invite further investigation. You aren't that guy. If you were that guy, chances are high you'd know well enough that the heat it could bring wouldn't be worth it for a punch in the guts and a slight that has already been and gone.

What you're proposing seems likely to be either futile or counter-productive - neither of which is useful to you. Retribution is generally best left to professionals, for everyone else, it is most likely just to bring more suffering.

H1N1's identity revealed:

[Sonoma]

If you can prove they punched, you have a reasonable civil suit. Clearly the officers were never looking to arrest, or you would have been arrested, so they can't scrounge up something after you've filed suit.

Also, if they're not officers, which seems likely, then you're even more in the clear

[Conscious Pirate]

Are your lips fat enough to be passed off as indigenous or at least a minority?

If not, change your username to Jack Reacher.

Job done.

[DarkTriad]

(04-17-2017 09:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.

It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.

Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.

I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.

The problem you have is that they can push you around, and there's really nothing you can do about it. They are the front line of the law, with the ability to collude and abuse the power they have. Their ability to make your life difficult is way beyond your ability to make theirs difficult.

What follows is hypothetical, but to be higher in the food chain than them, and therefore able to seek retribution, you'd need to know how to gather intelligence on them, and would then need the kind of people in your phone book who can be trusted implements of retaliation - the kind of people who can do things, and then not talk about them - professionals. You would also need to be able to plan the kind of act that was relatively proportionate, but final, and unlikely to invite further investigation. You aren't that guy. If you were that guy, chances are high you'd know well enough that the heat it could bring wouldn't be worth it for a punch in the guts and a slight that has already been and gone.

What you're proposing seems likely to be either futile or counter-productive - neither of which is useful to you. Retribution is generally best left to professionals, for everyone else, it is most likely just to bring more suffering.

Even your "professioals" are a pipe dream here. The cops are generally the people these "professionals" would least like a beef with. The cops hunt them for a living and if it were that easy to for them to get away with hurting/intimidating cops we would all be living in Juarez right now.

[DarkTriad]

(04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.

It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.

Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.

I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.

Does your friend know you're asking him to rough up cops? Even with a perfect set up, they can just hammer the place's liquor license with petty offenses till he's
fired and blackballed all over town.

[Steve McQueen]

(04-18-2017 01:41 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 06:30 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 04:17 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

It is wise, with non-sporting violence, to always be aware of the position you occupy in the food chain. Unfortunately for you and your friend, you are in the same place most normal, healthy, well adjusted people are - more or less at the bottom. The best option open to you at the time was to remove yourself from a situation that might lead to physical confrontation. You didn't do that, and your friend got whacked for your sins. Rough luck on the bugger, but the way of it sometimes. Any thoughts of retaliation (even in my view extending the beef by getting them banned from places) are ill-advised, and likely to hurt you the most in the long term. The humiliation, guilt and rage you are probably feeling is normal, and an unfortunate and mercifully rare thing in most adult lives. In my opinion you should let this go entirely.

It was unavoidable, all of this occurred in the space of 30 minutes between the bar closing and then us getting kicked out. It was planned this way so we had nowhere to run as the bar was being cleared, they followed us outside when we were about to leave which is when my mate got assaulted.

Not angry about it but Im not going to let someone think they can push me around, in my experience the only way of dealing with a bully is by force, if I cant punch him the bouncers can.

I see them in there I will have someone watching and waiting for something to occur, at which point they will regret ever meeting me. They dont know I planned it, I have plausible deniability, they are beaten up and barred.

Does your friend know you're asking him to rough up cops? Even with a perfect set up, they can just hammer the place's liquor license with petty offenses till he's
fired and blackballed all over town.

I did say what they said, he's a pro, knows the drill

[Rigsby]

Steve, I strongly urge you to take a step back and reconsider your future actions.

There is a time for going in to battle and a time to fight for what you believe in. These people are arseholes and are not worthy of your retaliation.

I suggest you drop this immediately and anyone who you have made plans with, tell them 'I'm sorry, I changed my mind, I was foolish to even consider it, and I just want it dropped and to totally forget about it'.

Trust me, you will thank me later. You have your life, and you have your health, and you have your freedom - all priceless things.

I know it hurts like fuck when the old ego gets bruised. It hurts to have to eat shit, which effectively is what you will be doing. But what you have to gain is not comparable with what you have to lose. Your life can be made a misery in ways you never dreamed of, it even broadening in scope to your wider family. This is what you are dealing with.

You must remember, the police are above the law. They literally get away with murder every single day. No comebacks. That is power. And don' think they won't be vindictive little bitches - they will.

If you really can't let it go, then have satisfaction with the instigator, but wait a few years. Revenge is a dish best served cold my man! If you are still smarting from it then, then you have to do what you have to do. But I bet you will have moved on in life and will have chalked it down to experience and becoming a better man for it.

Living well is the best revenge a man can ever have. Don't sacrifice that on the alter of the ego. You will be humiliated and shat on many more times when you go out in to the wider world. Only those that hide themselves away and duck out of living life can avoid that fate.

There will always be someone bigger, someone harder and meaner, someone more powerful than you. It's not personal. You will know when the time comes when you have to fight. This is not that time.

Choose your battles well my friend - choose them well!

[Alpha_Romeo]

I think the real story here is what the hell were you doing at Copper's

And why the hell are you not friends with Little Dark?

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"I'm an off-duty cop"

I'm going to use that one.