The Jordan Peterson political thread
02-17-2019, 10:23 AM
Here's the thing I'm coming to conclude about this recent dump of criticism on Peterson about how he's a subversive, UN insider, right-wing-mob pacifier... It's super easy and tempting for a 30-something guy, a red-pill community guy, lady-killer, hustling-to-escape-the-corporate-grind kind of guy, to see advice like "take on as much responsibility as possible to find meaning in life", "tell the truth or at least don't lie" and come to the conclusion of: Fuck this guy, he's just trying to calm me down so that I don't join the increasingly visible and relevant right wing group of heritage westerners who are ready to say and do anything to protect our countries. I am preparing for war and this Jordan Peterson fucker is trying to stop me.
BUT, the thing is, 95% of this is posturing on the internet by single men who are employed somewhere, need to make money, aren't fit to fight, and are growing old rapidly... ONLY 5% are either appropriately financed, young enough to not care and be a soldier, smart enough to be a mouthpiece, or gunned up and tough enough to be an effective militiaman... but even then, NOBODY IS ASKING THEM to go fight right now! And this tiny 5% will not stay like this forever. They'll get sick, old and broke rapidly, and there goes their window of effectiveness.
The core of Peterson's advice in the above quotes has always been, and can mean nothing else as far as I'm concerned, "Have an actual career and work hard, don't just do the bare minimum of "location independent work", pick a girl and HAVE KIDS AND RAISE THEM, be brave, tell the truth, but don't throw away your whole life for a political declaration that will destroy your family"
This is the standard advice for all of time that has always worked. Us forum men are largely defying this advice, and Peterson is telling you "Guys, that's a bad choice, your life isn't going to go the way you were hoping for."
Really, the idea that one should not have kids is RADICAL. It is the biggest craziest gamble in life that a people could ever make, and the ONLY time it ever ever works out to be the right decision is when you are a 20 something and your society is at the cusp of imminent war, and you are exactly ready for war at the exact time and place that you are called upon to be in war.
The only way for a society to be constantly prepared and ready for the call to defend against invaders or stand against tyranny is by constantly replenishing the supply of young men willing to do it. Being a 30 year old man and saying "I'm not going to settle down and work hard and have kids because our society is about to collapse" is like taking your entire life saving and buying a Put Option betting that the market is going to crash THIS YEAR. If you're wrong, your fucked. And if enough men do it the whole country is fucked and broke.
The deep down fear of men following the path of banging girls into their 30s and trying to hustle up money on the outside of the traditional economy is that we know this might horribly wrong, we might never find what we want, we might actually destroy the whole world by doing this... Jordan Peterson is just pointing this out, and the backlash and flailings from red-pill intellectuals who look to twist this blatantly simple and obvious fact as Peterson trying to pacify angry men, or attribute it to some elaborate subversion due to his standing among legitimate organization in the world, is all too predictable.
There's a fantasy of young red-pill men of being part of a "bigger cause" and that we should be willing risk it all to defend our culture. That's what we're being whipped up into thinking is the reason for delaying/not having kids or not work as hard as we could be. That it'll all be worth it when we're called to action to SAVE THE WEST.
The entirely more likely life progression is this:
20: These girls are fucked up and hard to fuck. How come I can't get an interview for a job but Sanjay can?
25: Oh I see, girls are dumb and just do whatever ads and their friends tell them to. I feel like a pretty important person in this world, so why does nobody care what's going on in my life? I am getting angry.
30: These sluts are easy to fuck, but there's too many fatties. This is not worth it. Why the fuck did nobody care what happened to me, a smart young man, during my 20s? Fighting a war to fix our culture would be worth it. I am really fucking angry now and ready to fight.
35: Still angry - where's that war? These sluts are getting fatter. Hello?
40: I am so fucking angry and my body hurts all the time. Holy fuck where is that war?
45: God I don't care about banging sluts at all anymore. Look at all these 20 year old brown kids running around, they scare me.
50: These prostitutes sure are getting fat. Wonder if there if there's ever going to be a war?
55: *WAR* Holy fuck I am an old man. Good thing I have two 20 year old sons to fight for the future of our people - Oh fuck wait no I don't - better hide.
60: *After war* Why does this grocery store only have goat and lentils?
Leonard, was it you that said that if it wasn't for your kids you'd definitely be on the watch list by now? (might have been another RVF guy, can't remember)
I'll take your word for it, but we don't *really* know if that's true. In all likelihood the only way a 40 something with a job will take a stand and take a risk is IF he has some young kids to look out for. A single 40 year old man with a job and some money is never going to rock the boat and lose his easy cushy meaningless life. He's too old and tired. The only people that will ever effect change in the world are young men 20-30 who are ready to kill, and old men 30-60 who who have kids and are ready to speak-out, pay-up, and sacrifice so that their sons might not have to go to war.
The only way for civilization to not collapse is for this process to repeat over and over and over, regardless of how hard it gets for a certain generation. For ours, it is definitely harder. We have to work more than we should, suffer more than we should, fuck and have kids with uglier women than we deserve, and suffer through raising them in the hell that is modern western culture. But we have NO OTHER CHOICE. So clean your room, take on responsibility willingly, and try to tell the truth or at least don't lie; and maybe someday your sons or grandsons will have it better than you.