[tomzestatlu]

(02-20-2017 11:32 PM)kartik13 Wrote:  

Most readers tend to overlook the racism, xenophobia, homophobia, alcoholism, violence, and etc present in Russia.

I smell cuck in the air. I don´t overlook it, actually I appreciate racism, xenophobia and homophobia! I know, that it´s just bullshit told by liberal media and their way to eliminate anyone with different (read healthy, traditional, realistic) opinion, so if they call me like this, than I am proud of it.

[TigerMandingo]

^ Racism I can understand. I do think there are legitimate racists to be found. But I can't stand "homophobia". A completely fabricated term invented by none other than a (((psychologist))) in the 70s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wei...chologist)

[Icarus]

The term "homophobia" is a misnomer. It means "fear of the same", when it is nothing of that sort.

It is, rather, disgust towards a nominal human being who embodies the worst of both genders.

[kartik13]

It's always the liberal media... Racism, Xenophobia, and Homophobia are the ways of a backwards ignorant country. If you have to blame a minority group for all your problems, then your probably a bitch ass muthafucka. It seem's this forum attracts a lot of weak angry white boys that are sexually frustrated and vent there frustration at society. Instead of actually looking in the mirror and realizing that your the problem, not "society". Then everything changes. Sure western culture has its fair share of problems like feminism. But there are enough feminine women out there and the dikes only makeup a small portion of the total female population. Then people talk about fat chicks, what about the fat guys? We completely leave out the fact there are also a lot of fat guys as well. Well, it would make sense if the fat guys and fat chicks date each other. It will all workout for everyone, and maybe they can workout together? Even the gay and lesbian community. How much do they really make up of the human population, about 1- 2%. Well im living in the "evil" liberal country of Canada. I hardly ever run into homosexuals, or run across homosexual gatherings. Most guys should look at themselves in the mirror and deal with there own inadequacies. Women will always be women no matter where you go. There nature doesn't really change. You can find sweet feminine women in the west. The tides are definitely turning in the west with a Donald Trump presidency. I understand for some of you guys that dating can suck because your location is crap. Relocate to another more favourable western city and it should be able to solve the problem.

As for this pua bullshit. Always remember that women do the choosing in the dating game. Just "keep approaching" is more PUA propoganda and furthest thing from real game. People have to make a living selling bullshit products to naive customers. It's financially lucrative to target men that are unsuccessful women and give them some "magic solutions". Women know what they want when it comes to men. Either you give women what they want, or you struggle in the game. The reason you gotta give them what they want, because most guys can't.

[kiwi12]

(02-21-2017 05:57 PM)kartik13 Wrote:  

It seem's this forum attracts a lot of weak angry white boys that are sexually frustrated and vent there frustration at society.

Only one venting is you. How many times have you been in Russia? My guess is zero. You have absolutely zero understanding about Russia.

Edit: and you just outed yourself as IRT

[kartik13]

You just outed yourself as a pussy white boy that I was speaking about. I have had many Russian friends growing up in Toronto. They speak alot about Russia and told me alot about it. My post has absolutely nothing to do with Russia you dumb bitch. It has to do with pussy white guys blaming western society for there own shortcomings in dating and running away to some foreign land to solve there problems. Instead of actually solving there problems at home and realizing there the route cause of there problems. I'm just calling people out on there bullshit. You call me a IRT.

Muthafucka, I get Russian women over here in Toronto and they HIT ON ME. I don't gotta go to Russia to get Russian women. I've been messing with Russian chicks since the 3rd grade and they always liked me first. I don't put those women on a pedastol either because I actually prefer Asian & Latin women over them. Maybe I should adapt some "neo masculinity" principles LMAO and blame society for all my problems. Western civilization is still one of the greatest civilizations that humanity has to offer. That's a fact.

[Rossi]

(02-18-2017 01:26 PM)eltrance Wrote:  

Hi!

I'm Russian and I dont get why many ROKers love Russia? Its a shitty place to live

I already went to Russia twice, I liked it a lot. I'm coming with 10-15 friends for around like 2 months next summer because Russia is hosting World Cup.

The reasons why I like Russia is that it's really cheap, hot girls, girl ratio is high, it's not burning hot and girls love Italians. Enough reason for me to come again.

[MikeMcLaren]

You complain about racism, xenophobia, and homophobia, but then insult white men by calling them "white boys"? The globalists have really done a number on you. You are going to wish you thought more clearly if the globalist police state is enacted.

(02-21-2017 05:57 PM)kartik13 Wrote:  

It's always the liberal media... Racism, Xenophobia, and Homophobia are the ways of a backwards ignorant country. If you have to blame a minority group for all your problems, then your probably a bitch ass muthafucka. It seem's this forum attracts a lot of weak angry white boys that are sexually frustrated and vent there frustration at society. Instead of actually looking in the mirror and realizing that your the problem, not "society". Then everything changes. Sure western culture has its fair share of problems like feminism. But there are enough feminine women out there and the dikes only makeup a small portion of the total female population. Then people talk about fat chicks, what about the fat guys? We completely leave out the fact there are also a lot of fat guys as well. Well, it would make sense if the fat guys and fat chicks date each other. It will all workout for everyone, and maybe they can workout together? Even the gay and lesbian community. How much do they really make up of the human population, about 1- 2%. Well im living in the "evil" liberal country of Canada. I hardly ever run into homosexuals, or run across homosexual gatherings. Most guys should look at themselves in the mirror and deal with there own inadequacies. Women will always be women no matter where you go. There nature doesn't really change. You can find sweet feminine women in the west. The tides are definitely turning in the west with a Donald Trump presidency. I understand for some of you guys that dating can suck because your location is crap. Relocate to another more favourable western city and it should be able to solve the problem.

As for this pua bullshit. Always remember that women do the choosing in the dating game. Just "keep approaching" is more PUA propoganda and furthest thing from real game. People have to make a living selling bullshit products to naive customers. It's financially lucrative to target men that are unsuccessful women and give them some "magic solutions". Women know what they want when it comes to men. Either you give women what they want, or you struggle in the game. The reason you gotta give them what they want, because most guys can't.

[Rocha]

(02-21-2017 06:46 PM)kartik13 Wrote:  

You just outed yourself as a pussy white boy that I was speaking about. I have had many Russian friends growing up in Toronto. They speak alot about Russia and told me alot about it. My post has absolutely nothing to do with Russia you dumb bitch. It has to do with pussy white guys blaming western society for there own shortcomings in dating and running away to some foreign land to solve there problems. Instead of actually solving there problems at home and realizing there the route cause of there problems. I'm just calling people out on there bullshit. You call me a IRT.

Muthafucka, I get Russian women over here in Toronto and they HIT ON ME. I don't gotta go to Russia to get Russian women. I've been messing with Russian chicks since the 3rd grade and they always liked me first. I don't put those women on a pedastol either because I actually prefer Asian & Latin women over them. Maybe I should adapt some "neo masculinity" principles LMAO and blame society for all my problems. Western civilization is still one of the greatest civilizations that humanity has to offer. That's a fact.

Quoting you here:

Quote:

I'm currently 27 years old, living in Toronto and have some important decisions to make. I'm currently working as a Full time Uber Driver. I'm looking to become a part time Uber driver and work as a security guard full time. I don't have any post secondary education, I was a music producer for hip hop/rnb since 2010 but stopped last year (industry saturated). I was also deeply into metaphysics/spirituality for a bit... it was a phase. What I aspire to do is start some type of location independant work, and live in Eastern Europe with a Canadian Passport. I decided I don't want to stay in Canada since the cost of living is too high, and how politically correct I have to be on a daily basis. I'm just looking for some input from you guys what you think are some good ideas for location independent work based on my experiences/situation. I was thinking maybe write a book on metaphysics/spirituality but that field is saturated as well, start a youtube channel, pick up a new skill , and etc. Interms of Income goals im happy with a healthy 5 figure income then i'm looking to work my way up from there. I'm not getting any younger so I want to get started as soon as possible.

Aren't you also wanting to run away to far away lands to solve your problems?

[kartik13]

I wanted to live in Eastern Europe for the low cost of living, it was an economic decision at the time. I realized with a 25-30k a year living expense I could save alot of money if I had a internet business. I don't plan on starting a internet business anymore since I found some new opportunities over here. I never complained about western society is the route cause of all my problems. Eastern Europe compared to South America, and East Asia is more affordable and lower crime rates. Now my goals have changed and I don't plan on "living abroad" anymore. New opportunities have arrived and I plan on staying in the west but also travelling abroad for some fun as well. I don't have to travel abroad to do things I cant do at home. I rather transfer that lifestyle over there while on living abroad.

[ms224]

(02-21-2017 05:42 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 12:32 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have you ever listened to radio echo moscow?

They used to be the only opposition left. They were the only ones asking the real uncomfortable
questions during the beslan disaster.

http://echomsk.radio.net/

I do find it mindblowing that anyone, in the 21st century views communism/marxism/socialism as anything
other than a failed ideology, especially in the USA.

But dude, take off the rose colored glasses about putin. pazhalusta.

Beslan. Was that not a terrorist attack made against inoccent people by US/Saudi backed jihadis?

Sure there was a lot of collateral damages, but this is the way Russia leadership since ever decided to deal with terrorism it is not coming from Putin days, there is no tolerance or possible negotiation. Any terrorist shall die.

Quote:

Rocha, I'll just agree to disagree with you on the Russian food. I'd like steak but without the mayo, lol

I do not know where does this steak with mayo comes from, but OK... eat some Rulka or Shashlik next time, without Mayo.

Quote:

For every hot girl on the streets of New York, how many fat, gay, lesbian, transsexual, assexual, SJW, hoodrat, reside elsewhere? What has Obama done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living?

Fixed.

Also regarding EU vs Russia, the former is much more corrupt system in itself with its leaders not elected by the EU citizens, opposite to Russia where Putin holds a 80%+ approval rating, even after 17 years in power.

also:

The uncomfortable Beslan questions they asked were how was such a huge group of armed paramilitaries able to pass through undetected, where did they get the weapons and why did the locals fuck it all up. Why are soldiers in chechnya selling weapons and other supplies to the enemy? WTF is up with the officer class allowing it? and the like.

Mayonnaise on Russian food is a joke.

Look, I live in the middle of motherfucking hippie central and the only times ive only barely heard and seen any of those things. Mostly rich , old people with BLM shit. The Trump /MAGA stuff isn't that far behind.

I also don't like obama, putin or the eu. those three are unfortunately, not as different as some like to believe. they are competitors, not opposites.

Anyways, to answer the original OPs question and quell the putin-stronk gopnik section.




First, the same can be said of stalin. Pick up a book, lenninist russia had open homosexuality, open marriage and divorce, communal everything and it wound up being a clusterfuck in a very short time. NEP Anyone?

But , in context of the future.

Look, your GDP/Person is $14k/year and your avg. monthly income is only $500/month.

Thats roughly a quarter of whats in the US.

Look the OP is probably stuck in a factory, surrounded by dreariness, corruption, class-ism without a lot of options. Making his $14k a year.

Which sure as shit doesnt buy you an s500 (cars cost double what they do in the US for normals btw) , and take his baryshnia to the ballet and back to a nice apt in downtown moscow.

If you make 4x what your average income is in your city, I guarantee your life would seem pretty good. $200k in the US is great money and will put you head and shoulders above most people.

If you tell me that hey, I'm a Russophile and I like how I can spend my well-valued USD and I read Tolstoy and Pushkin every fucking day.

Ok, reasonable enough.
ie. Rossi above.


But saying putin is so great, while denouncing sjw as communists. that level of cognitive dissonance and ignorance of history I have a hard time with.

might as well as yearn for stalin,
before you are purged.

[Rocha]

(02-21-2017 11:36 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 05:42 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 12:32 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have you ever listened to radio echo moscow?

They used to be the only opposition left. They were the only ones asking the real uncomfortable
questions during the beslan disaster.

http://echomsk.radio.net/

I do find it mindblowing that anyone, in the 21st century views communism/marxism/socialism as anything
other than a failed ideology, especially in the USA.

But dude, take off the rose colored glasses about putin. pazhalusta.

Beslan. Was that not a terrorist attack made against inoccent people by US/Saudi backed jihadis?

Sure there was a lot of collateral damages, but this is the way Russia leadership since ever decided to deal with terrorism it is not coming from Putin days, there is no tolerance or possible negotiation. Any terrorist shall die.

Quote:

Rocha, I'll just agree to disagree with you on the Russian food. I'd like steak but without the mayo, lol

I do not know where does this steak with mayo comes from, but OK... eat some Rulka or Shashlik next time, without Mayo.

Quote:

For every hot girl on the streets of New York, how many fat, gay, lesbian, transsexual, assexual, SJW, hoodrat, reside elsewhere? What has Obama done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living?

Fixed.

Also regarding EU vs Russia, the former is much more corrupt system in itself with its leaders not elected by the EU citizens, opposite to Russia where Putin holds a 80%+ approval rating, even after 17 years in power.

also:

The uncomfortable Beslan questions they asked were how was such a huge group of armed paramilitaries able to pass through undetected, where did they get the weapons and why did the locals fuck it all up. Why are soldiers in chechnya selling weapons and other supplies to the enemy? WTF is up with the officer class allowing it? and the like.

Mayonnaise on Russian food is a joke.

Look, I live in the middle of motherfucking hippie central and the only times ive only barely heard and seen any of those things. Mostly rich , old people with BLM shit. The Trump /MAGA stuff isn't that far behind.

I also don't like obama, putin or the eu. those three are unfortunately, not as different as some like to believe. they are competitors, not opposites.

Anyways, to answer the original OPs question and quell the putin-stronk gopnik section.




First, the same can be said of stalin. Pick up a book, lenninist russia had open homosexuality, open marriage and divorce, communal everything and it wound up being a clusterfuck in a very short time. NEP Anyone?

But , in context of the future.

Look, your GDP/Person is $14k/year and your avg. monthly income is only $500/month.

Thats roughly a quarter of whats in the US.

Look the OP is probably stuck in a factory, surrounded by dreariness, corruption, class-ism without a lot of options. Making his $14k a year.

Which sure as shit doesnt buy you an s500 (cars cost double what they do in the US for normals btw) , and take his baryshnia to the ballet and back to a nice apt in downtown moscow.

If you make 4x what your average income is in your city, I guarantee your life would seem pretty good. $200k in the US is great money and will put you head and shoulders above most people.

If you tell me that hey, I'm a Russophile and I like how I can spend my well-valued USD and I read Tolstoy and Pushkin every fucking day.

Ok, reasonable enough.
ie. Rossi above.


But saying putin is so great, while denouncing sjw as communists. that level of cognitive dissonance and ignorance of history I have a hard time with.

might as well as yearn for stalin,
before you are purged.

Unless you are Russian or from any other former Soviet Republic, your opinion holds very little ground in my eyes. This is substantiated by your painting of USSR as a kind of Gomorra, when in fact it was a very conservative society, with not many liberties compared for example to contemporary USA.

[ms224]

I think you are wrong on these points.

Read some of the books ive mentioned here.

[tomzestatlu]

It´s bad, that kartik13 is banned now. We could have had a lot of fun.

[The Beast1]

(02-22-2017 12:32 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

I think you are wrong on these points.

Read some of the books ive mentioned here.

You've brought up a lot of good points. If all the info you have on Russia came from the forum you'd think it was great.

The sad truth is, many guys here who move to Russia are doing so using a USD denominated income stream which gives them vastly more buying power than the average Russian. Of course Russia is going to seem like paradise if you're living the life of a well off middle manager.

In many respects, if Russian women weren't as feminine and service oriented to their men the country would quickly fall apart.

Russia has it's problems and it's disingenuous of us to look past them. Thankfully, what we potentially lose is bolstered equally by its positives.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-21-2017 05:57 PM)kartik13 Wrote:  

It's always the liberal media... Racism, Xenophobia, and Homophobia are the ways of a backwards ignorant country. If you have to blame a minority group for all your problems, then your probably a bitch ass muthafucka. It seem's this forum attracts a lot of weak angry white boys that are sexually frustrated and vent there frustration at society. Instead of actually looking in the mirror and realizing that your the problem, not "society". Then everything changes. Sure western culture has its fair share of problems like feminism. But there are enough feminine women out there and the dikes only makeup a small portion of the total female population. Then people talk about fat chicks, what about the fat guys? We completely leave out the fact there are also a lot of fat guys as well. Well, it would make sense if the fat guys and fat chicks date each other. It will all workout for everyone, and maybe they can workout together? Even the gay and lesbian community. How much do they really make up of the human population, about 1- 2%. Well im living in the "evil" liberal country of Canada. I hardly ever run into homosexuals, or run across homosexual gatherings. Most guys should look at themselves in the mirror and deal with there own inadequacies. Women will always be women no matter where you go. There nature doesn't really change. You can find sweet feminine women in the west. The tides are definitely turning in the west with a Donald Trump presidency. I understand for some of you guys that dating can suck because your location is crap. Relocate to another more favourable western city and it should be able to solve the problem.

As for this pua bullshit. Always remember that women do the choosing in the dating game. Just "keep approaching" is more PUA propoganda and furthest thing from real game. People have to make a living selling bullshit products to naive customers. It's financially lucrative to target men that are unsuccessful women and give them some "magic solutions". Women know what they want when it comes to men. Either you give women what they want, or you struggle in the game. The reason you gotta give them what they want, because most guys can't.

Thankyou mods.

[Icarus]

Putin-hatred and Putin-worship are both childish. In my humble opinion, stability is better than instability, order is better than anarchy. Russia under Putin is better than Russia under Yeltsin. However, how much credit does Putin actually deserve?

In order to assess the quality of Putin's governance, one must take the price of oil into account.

[Mekorig]

Bingo!

[Kid Twist]

(02-22-2017 05:41 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Putin-hatred and Putin-worship are both childish. In my humble opinion, stability is better than instability, order is better than anarchy. Russia under Putin is better than Russia under Yeltsin. However, how much credit does Putin actually deserve?

In order to assess the quality of Putin's governance, one must take the price of oil into account.

Seems to be a pretty wise account of things.

[Easy_C]

A lot of us don't actually like Russia that much. We just wish our leadership was as capable as theirs is or as willing to stand up to misguided(at the average street activist's level anyway) social change attempts that weaken the country.

[General Stalin]

(02-18-2017 01:26 PM)eltrance Wrote:  

Hi!

I'm Russian and I dont get why many ROKers love Russia? Its a shitty place to live

To answer OP plainly: there is a belief in the the manosphere community in general that Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe is a place that goes against Western ideals and is more traditional in everything from politics down to gender dynamics. This is fantasized upon because the majority of this community is from the Western world and feels that this culture is poisoning our way of life, making men weak and women undesirable masculine and entitled.

I've never been to Russia and I bet my bottom dollar that at least 90% of the people commenting on how fantastic it must be probably have not been there either, but the consensus is that over there women are women, men are men, and the government concerns itself more with the well-being of it's homeland interest and people rather than foreign affairs. Also Russian women tend to be much more attractive on average than women of other places.

[Icarus]

English Teacher X on Russian girls.

[ms224]

Ironic username, to say the least. Many of the current of the problems in the Rus can be traced back to stalin and his personality cult.

Rocha, if you don't care what anyone , who isnt Russian thinks of Russia, why should anyone in the US care what anyone else thinks
of them? Honest question? Particularly in say the Trump thread?

Furthermore, going against the ideals of the west resulted in, shall we say politely, a clusterfuck?

The ideas of patriotism, family, self-determination and entrepreneurship built the USA, into the greatest and most successful experiment in human history.

That was directly attacked and undermined by the opposing ideas of the 'east' (both from soviets and a certain german experiment) with loyalty to the PARTY, communal-ism, and honestly, classism, whereby everyone was supposedly an equal in the proletariat.

So, not sure where this 'western values' are bad thing comes from that's stuck in everyone's heads.

The idea of the ussr (or the warsaw pact) countries being a paragon of east-Orthodox conservatism and family are a complete fabrication (and a cruel) joke.

Divorce, abortion, widespread graft and alcoholism, outright theft and a cut-throat mentality were common staples of the soviet union. You didn't see it on the outside because it was a very closed and censored society. Plenty of crime happened as well.

Religion was pretty much illegal, shit xmas wasn't legal until what 1992?

All the good things that happened to Russia in the last 25 years are because they embraced more of the
traditional 'liberal western values', such as capitalism, free speech and thought and personal and property rights.

Conversely, the social problems in the west can be traced to the bullshit implanted by the communists. Class, race divisions, PC, the guilt trips how we are so bad while the rest of the world is soooo poor, etc.

How much of a philosophical difference in between obama screeching that $250k is enough far more than enough for anyone and being called a kulak?

Unfortunately, our open and free society is vulnerable to these sorts of outside cancers.

To say that putin made Russia oh so great ignores many many realities.

Gorbachov's perestroka let the place fall apart, but without an outright civil war. The other Russian civil war was a pretty brutal affair, how do you think this one would have played out, particularly with NBC, which were a central part of the warsaw pact tactical doctrine, btw.

Yeltsin moved Russia towards democracy and freedom. But given what he inherited, can you blame him for being a drunk?

putin yearns for days when anyone cared what they thought. He is a the tsar of Russia, regardless of what anyone thinks. But one who is a lot weaker than its predecessors.

What has he done to grow the economy away from pumping oil
and selling weapons? Vapid bullshit about family values and opposing the western imperialists doesn't put the non-proverbial bread on the table.

The space program there exists mostly because idiots in the US divert money from Nasa towards stupid shit.

His territorial ambitions have generally been disasters. Chechneya was solved by making the son of the local opposition commander a khan. The invasion of Georgia only succeed via overwhelming force, and even then to save a communist redoubt. Ukraine, which btw was given a guarantee of national sovereignty by the USA in exchange for giving up nukes, is still a clusterfuck too. These aren't 1st rate military's they've engaged.

For anyone in Russia, right now, do you still need a roof (Krysha) to run a business? (I.e pay protection money for those unfamiliar with the term).

list goes on an on.

Icarus, interesting blog. Some of it seems, vaguely familiar and very tragi-comic.

Anyways, TL;dr version.

The West rulez and is awesome and maybe one day the land of the Rus can overcome their deep societal problems from the horrors of communism and become a free, open and dignified society not ruled by ruthless czars but sadly I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

If you have any other questions, kindly ask V. Grossman.

[Rocha]

So, you like Yeltsin and loath both Putin and USSR.

Next you will say that The Time of Troubles was the heyday era in Russian history.

будь ласка...

Regarding Putin. Saying that is only merit is sell oil, gas and arms, or way to measure his politics is oil price barrel. I just leave this video of his first interview in office and what he inherited. The disrespect shown by the journalists to figure of the Russian President are symptomatic of the level of respect this post commanded back then.

Yeltsin was not only a drunk. Yeltsin was the biggest disgrace that happened to Russia after Stalin, and yet, Stalin won the war against the mighty Nazis, Yeltsin lost Chechnya to a bunch of terrorist jihadis. Yeltsin was on CIA payroll, the 1996 election was won by the CIA, the West undermined Russia and continues to try to undermine.

During Yeltsin, Russia went from the world superpower (along with the US) to a regional power. Russia was humiliated in Chechnya, indirectly in the Balkans, Russia was rag dolled by the West in the 90s. Russia was plundered by the Oligarchs and mafias, Russia was plundered by the West. Russia was lawless and dangerous. Russia was hell on earth for the law abiding and honest local citizen.

Do not try to flip the script. This is the chaos that Putin inherited. Nobody is perfect, and surely Putin is not. But he is a brilliant strategist. And by the way...Crimea is Russia. Swallow that!

до побачення!

[Icarus]

(02-22-2017 04:23 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

Yeltsin moved Russia towards democracy and freedom.

The same Yeltsin who sent tanks to shell the Parliament in 1993?