[FilipSRB]

In short, I love Russia because you are my brothers in Faith and Blood.

[AManLikePutin]

Tweeted by Assange. Fascinating interview with American journalist who lived in Russia during Yeltsin years, 1996 stole election (thanks to American interference) and the strong grip that America had on Russia during his years.

official description, very interesting watch

Quote:

The increased aggression towards Russia from US politicians and media is made more clear when taking into account the real history of the post-Soviet period. The hidden story of Boris Yeltsin’s presidency explains how deeply the US government, along with Western capitalist institutions, cheered, shaped and exploited the country after the fall of the Soviet Union, paving the way for the political system they all condemn today.

To uncover just how much the US Empire has interfered in Russia’s political evolution, Abby Martin interviews Mark Ames, an American journalist who spent a decade reporting from Yeltsin’ and Putin’s Russia and witnessed the country’s transformation from an American “colony” to it’s “number one threat.

[Mekorig]

About the relation of RVF and Russia, i think we can diferenciate two aspects: women and politics.

I think that we all agree that slavic women in general are very beatiful, and tend not to have the defects we hate in western and westernized women.

Now, about russian politics, this is i think the most hot spot. Part of the forum thinks, by their own reasons, that Russia is an ally of them against globalism, or that is a redout of christiandom culture, or whatever.

Putin is a masterful politician, and have guided Russia for some very dangerous years. He is a person that i should meet him in person, i would had a handshake with him. Of course, later i will try to shoot him between the eyes (for my own reasons). But the thing is, he is neither a "defender of christiandom" or a anti-globalist. He is a realist, and he will do whatever he have to do to keep his nation afloat, even keeping his own muslim quiet and happy, or dealing with anyone. The problem is that the cult of personality he have created. Mendelev and others are capable, but i think that in the near future, when Putin is out of power for whatever reason, Russia will have a very bad time.

[Kid Twist]

(02-19-2017 08:06 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

In short, I love Russia because you are my brothers in Faith and Blood.

I second this even having more in common with Serbs... but I consider both my brothers, blood meaning less to me than life and faith

[911]

(02-19-2017 07:57 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Russia sucks for some, Russia is great for others. It's the same everywhere.

Russia is so big and diverse that a statement like OP also sucks. If it is because of the weather, Krasnodar Krai, Crimea or some other North Caucasus regions can offer a temperate climate, if its because of money and jobs, Moscow or St.Peter can offer it, if its because of cold fish, gold digger ladies, there is of all races and religions available, Tatars, Belorussians, Dagestani, Komi, Ukrainians, Uzbekistanis, Bashkirs, Buryats...Saying also that Russian food sucks...Caviar, amazing bread, beautiful cold and hot soups like Okroshka or Solyanka, the best salads...

I would avoid the green Solyanka.

[Soyouz]

Because this is a website for men seeking feminine and cute women.

While Russian women stayed feminine and thin, American women became fat and masculine.

While Russia banned gay propaganda (literally), America have pushed for gay rights. We now have gay dads adopting little boys.

While American men are becoming weaker and more feminine, Russian men stayed strong, and are dominating most fighting sports (boxing, MMA, etc...).

We know Russia is not perfect. It's one of the most corrupted country, the economy is not diversified enough, and the infrastructure is collapsing in many cities.

There never was, and never will be a perfect country. I'd love a country where I can bang East European women, make as much money as in America, have warm weather like in Colombia, eat Chinese food, and have clean streets/efficient transportation like in Singapore. But there is no such country... So I guess I'll just continue to travel, and focus on the positive of each country.

[Grodin]

(02-18-2017 11:30 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have any of the russofiles (and/or the russo-phobes) ever spent any time
in either Russia or around russians?

This thread was not directed to me (I don't look up to modern Russia) but I'm a russophile so I feel compelled to respond. Most of this though is a little off topic, hopefully someone finds it interesting.

I've never been to Russia, I don't speak the language and the culture is still foreign and exotic to me. But in Alaska there still exists a layer of culture influenced by Russia. I imagine that it could be compared to the Spanish influence that still exists throughout Latin America.

We have what you could call "old Russians" basically Native Alaskans with names like Shelikoff, Kalifornsky, Baranof, etc. In rural parts the Russian Orthodox church is still dominate and services are conducted in both the Eskimo language and the Russian language. All of the oldest structures in Alaska show signs of Russian influence. Since I'm into engineering and architecture, the architecture of Russian Orthodox churches is what first piqued my curiosity for Russia.

When I was a young man I married a native Alaskan with Russian and Ukrainian Jewish background. We worked together at a small museum where we gave presentations to German tourists on the history of Alaska, particularly it's native American and Russian cultural blend. We learned about the history of the Russian American company and figures like Saint Herman, the Baranovs and Resanovs, Vitus Bering (a Dane in the Russian Navy).


The small house in this picture is a "spirit house" a mix of the Dena (native) burial traditions incorporated into an Alaskan Russian Orthodox religious tradition. This particular house belongs to a member of the "Alex" family, the last chiefdom of this native village. Among the natives it was common for families to adopt as a surname, the first name of some family patriarch, in this case the last village chief with the Russian name Aleksander. Last names such as Stephens and Peter or Pete are also common among the natives.

There is also a strong community of first generation Russians in the city, mostly from Magadan Oblast. When I was a young man, at the same time I met my ex-wife, I had many friends from Russia and Poland. In fact I was introduced to my wife by a Polish immigrant, who was a skinhead and ran with the Russians. This was in the "hood", and it was during the nineties, in the midst of ethnic gangbang wars. There were all kinds of gangs usually divided by ethnicity, Samoans and Hmong were dominant, and the Polish and Russians stuck together to survive because as white nationalists and/or skinheads they were not popular among the Multicultural crowd. I was more friendly with the Polish skinhead, who thought I was also a skinhead because I was an army brat with a shaved head. He never bought this explanation, and always greated me with a sig heil, although he may have just been busting my chops.

The Russian men drank insane amounts of vodka, were passionate about soccer, beat their girlfriends, and were outwardly racist. I wasn't racist, or didn't think I was, but I was ok if they were lol. Everyone else was tribal, why should they not be? Since then I've been exposed to more upper class Russians through the university. I appreciate their stoicism, national pride, intellect and ability to seemingly handle their women - as viewed from the outside anyways.

The Russian women are beautiful, confident in a feminine manner, dress well, take care of themselves physically, and love to dance. This is good enough for me and I'm glad they are around. They mostly date other Russians and I keep them at length too, because I have a little respect and distrust for their culture. I get the feeling that they take advantage of the "noble savage" effect that comes when Americans view them as exotics and that there are things much deeper going on that are risky to play with if you don't understand. I was a single father by the time I was red-pilled, and I don't F around with risky women, because my kids would pay a cost as well if shit hit the fan. Everyone I know who dated a Russian woman, she turned out to be batshit in unexpected ways.

[FilipSRB]

(02-19-2017 08:06 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

In short, I love Russia because you are my brothers in Faith and Blood.

I feel the need to expand a bit with a short history lesson from WWI. Hopefully it does not come as a rant:

During the winter of 1915, Serbian army decided to retreat to the shores of northern Albania instead of capitulating to the Austrian and Bulgarian forces. During the march over Albanian mountains over 240 thousand people lost their lives. However the "allies" have not secured any transports and even worse, the Italian army was openly hostile. And so, the Serbs stood there on the coast for another three weeks until the plea for help reached Emperor Nikolai II. Upon finding out about the situation on the same day he sends a telegram to British King and president of France where he threatens leaving the Alliance and signing a separate peace treaty with the Germans. Soon after that, the ships appeared and carried the survivors to the Greek island of Corfu.

This is a recently erected statue of the last Russian Emperor Nikolai II, close to the Belgrade city center, in the place where Russian embassy was until WWI:


This is just one small episode from our common history. The Russians have numerous times been with us in our times of need, and we always looked at them as sort of older, bigger brothers.

The ugly truth is, just like the Russians, we will never be accepted as equals by the Western nations, and we will never be forgiven for turning our backs to the Catholic Church and choosing Orthodoxy. The destines of our people will always be intertwined.

[TigerMandingo]

^ Those are kind words, братик

Unfortunately, we weren't with you in your greatest hour of need, during the NATO bombing. Russia was at that time ruled by a Western puppet and unable to do much.

[Rocha]

(02-20-2017 09:52 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

^ Those are kind words, братик

Unfortunately, we weren't with you in your greatest hour of need, during the NATO bombing. Russia was at that time ruled by a Western puppet and unable to do much.

But still a few braves did what they could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_a...na_airport

[ivansirko]

(02-18-2017 01:26 PM)eltrance Wrote:  

Hi!

I'm Russian and I dont get why many ROKers love Russia? Its a shitty place to live

I wouldnt call it love.

Personally they are our (US) biggest geopolitical foe. Often times it has been proven they have tried to destabilize the United States. See 60's anti-war protests and books on "nuclear winter", among other things. I think they do respond when spoken with force and backing shit up.

However,

Its quite simple the difference between Russia (and central/eastern Europe) vs the West. This is speaking of the ruling classes in each of those countries. Russia and the former Soviet Satellites give a shit about their own people. The West would prefer to recycle their own people into a garbage bin and pull something out that meets their tastes. Their culture isn't as "touched" and "insane" as the West.

Yea, maybe it sucks in Russia. Never been there myself. Value what you have because you could have more money but also be surrounded by "slut walkers" in Toronto.

[ms224]

(02-20-2017 08:07 PM)Grodin Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 11:30 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have any of the russofiles (and/or the russo-phobes) ever spent any time
in either Russia or around russians?

This thread was not directed to me (I don't look up to modern Russia) but I'm a russophile so I feel compelled to respond. Most of this though is a little off topic, hopefully someone finds it interesting.

Fair enough. But I would dispute a couple of your points. This whole ugliness and feminazi shit was brought over (and financed!) by the communist-marxists. The attack on the wholesomeness of the nuclear family, the republic and entrepreneurship was directed, in many cases by the kgb or their supporters. Most of the euro-peace movement in the 70s and 80s and a lot of labor unions (British-Leyland, looking at you) were financed by the likes of putin in their piranha tank.

Western values didn't corrupt family, women etc. Western values were corrupted by communism.

Have you ever read any Tolstoy? I think perhaps, it will be of interest to you.

(02-20-2017 10:03 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:26 PM)eltrance Wrote:  

Hi!

I'm Russian and I dont get why many ROKers love Russia? Its a shitty place to live

I wouldnt call it love.

Personally they are our (US) biggest geopolitical foe. Often times it has been proven they have tried to destabilize the United States. See 60's anti-war protests and books on "nuclear winter", among other things. I think they do respond when spoken with force and backing shit up.

However,

Its quite simple the difference between Russia (and central/eastern Europe) vs the West. This is speaking of the ruling classes in each of those countries. Russia and the former Soviet Satellites give a shit about their own people. The West would prefer to recycle their own people into a garbage bin and pull something out that meets their tastes. Their culture isn't as "touched" and "insane" as the West.

Yea, maybe it sucks in Russia. Never been there myself. Value what you have because you could have more money but also be surrounded by "slut walkers" in Toronto.

Yes, like the house of Romanov, Lenin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, you might have an argument with Yeltsin. I think putin's Russia depends severely on his personality cult, kinda like a handful of other russian and soviet leaders. Take it away and what do you have? Economy based on $80 oil?

I think this is a lot of Ostalagia
from people who have never had to stand in line for TP and soap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie

Oddly enough, I've seen someone with a Wartenburg station wagon around Boulder. Which fucking blows my mind.

[ivansirko]

(02-20-2017 10:28 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

Yes, like the house of Romanov, Lenin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, you might have an argument with Yeltsin.

I was speaking of the West vs Russia today, not of the past. Yes, the Russians as the Soviet Union killed millions of their own people and used them as labor cattle in their attempt at Communist Utopia.

This is the perception with Putin today: The Russian leadership gives a shit about Russians. Is it wrong? <shrug> The ROK respects strong leadership, not bedwetting pussies. I don't always agree with it but the question has been answered.

[Grodin]

(02-20-2017 10:28 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 08:07 PM)Grodin Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 11:30 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have any of the russofiles (and/or the russo-phobes) ever spent any time
in either Russia or around russians?

This thread was not directed to me (I don't look up to modern Russia) but I'm a russophile so I feel compelled to respond. Most of this though is a little off topic, hopefully someone finds it interesting.

Fair enough. But I would dispute a couple of your points. This whole ugliness and feminazi shit was brought over (and financed!) by the communist-marxists. The attack on the wholesomeness of the nuclear family, the republic and entrepreneurship was directed, in many cases by the kgb or their supporters. Most of the euro-peace movement in the 70s and 80s and a lot of labor unions (British-Leyland, looking at you) were financed by the likes of putin in their piranha tank.

Western values didn't corrupt family, women etc. Western values were corrupted by communism.

Have you ever read any Tolstoy? I think perhaps, it will be of interest to you.

Thanks for the feedback. My impression of Russians is based entirely off of the ones that decided to pack up and move to Anchorage.

You could say that my understanding is maybe a hundred feet wide, and a half-inch deep.

I've read Anna Karenina, the most red-pill book I've ever read. Also the hardest book I've ever read. Not something you want to read on vacation, but it sure as hell made me think.

[ms224]

Grodin, have you ever heard of the expression, tragi-comic?

If you can manage the strength, read Life and Fate. Grossman explained all of the Rus, and possibly most of life.

I would also recommend Master and Margarita, Generation P, Omon Ra, and watch Tarkovski. Both stalker and Andrei Rubolev are on youtube.


ivansirko, I would disagree. Putin is the new tsar, with the corresponding cult of personality. Many in the new Russian elite openly
wish for the old soviet days, but seem to gloss over many of the realities of life in the ussr. People fled there for a reason.

if you respect strength, why not the likes of Kim Jung (or whoever is in charge of NK) or the chinese upper communist crust? They are both more than willing to crush their own to advance their personal cause.

Putin as you see him, is a very carefully crafted and promoted image, the truth is somewhere else. He is a product of the same piranha tank that gave you the sjw, the 'peace' protesters and many other nasty things.

For every hot girl on the streets of moscow, how many gopnik baryshnyas reside elsewhere? What has putin done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living, maybe end corruption especially towards the oligarchy level. Can you now run a business without having a roof?

Since, we are on the topic, Circassian women used to be (up to the 1800s or so?) considered as the mythical beauties of the world.

Rocha, I'll just agree to disagree with you on the Russian food. I'd like steak but without the mayo, lol

[ivansirko]

(02-20-2017 11:05 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

ivansirko, I would disagree. Putin is the new tsar, with the corresponding cult of personality. Many in the new Russian elite openly
wish for the old soviet days, but seem to gloss over many of the realities of life in the ussr. People fled there for a reason.

Are you disagreeing with ROK and their love for Russia or disagreeing with why?

Quote:

if you respect strength, why not the likes of Kim Jung (or whoever is in charge of NK) or the chinese upper communist crust? They are both more than willing to crush their own to advance their personal cause.

Because unlike North Korea a lot of ROK readers and writers have been to Russia. In addition North Korea is a prison posing as a country.

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For every hot girl on the streets of moscow, how many gopnik baryshnyas reside elsewhere? What has putin done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living, maybe end corruption especially towards the oligarchy level. Can you now run a business without having a roof?

No idea, however i simply answered the question.

[John Michael Kane]

[kartik13]

The reason why so many guys on this forum "romanticize" or dream about living in Russia is mostly for the women. Sure, Moscow and St. Petersburg are beautiful cities that have a lot to offer. But western civilization is still the greatest civilization on the face of the earth. Most readers tend to overlook the racism, xenophobia, homophobia, alcoholism, violence, and etc present in Russia. They overlook the things they take for granted like friendly customer service, consumer goods, restaurants, internet speeds, and etc provided in the west. Sure there are a lot of fat, masculine women in America.But its more pragmatic to find solutions in the west then runaway from the mess. I live in Toronto, Canada and honestly this whole feminism bullshit is only really going off in the dike community. There are still a good amount of beautiful feminine women in western society if your willing to look in the right places. I run across a fair decent amount of feminine attractive women, there may not be a lot but there is still more than enough to choose from.

Also, I heard Russians say that Moscow, and St. Petersburg are like western cities so if you do "leave the west", what are you really escaping too? Unless you want to live in Siberia or eastern Russia then you'll definitely have a more wholesome Russian experience. Now also take into consideration that Russian is one of the most difficult languages for a English Speaker to learn. To be able to speak fluently and have healthy conversations with typical Russians, that will be very challenging indeed. Man... I haven't even got into the climate of this region. Russia has some of the most brutal winters anywhere on the planet. Now this is what I want you to do.Get the app Periscope. Periscope is a app where you can stream live video and broadcast yourself to other app members. What you will find when you scroll on the map to EE/Russia, that a lot of people in Ukraine/Russia are broadcasting. You can watch streams of live women and even talk to them in English. Observe there mannerism and behavior and judge for yourself. There's too much glorification of Russian women as these angelic goddesses that are the best that humanity has to offer. Russian women can be Incredible and pretty awesome. But they also have there flaws, insecurities, and self esteem issues. Putting these women on some pedastol which they don't belong will only lead to disappointment.

Here's a youtube channel of a blogger known as Veronika Olson. She is a Ukrainian lady and talks about alot of issues. I definately recommend you guys check her out if your into Slavic women.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEihx_L...CEkqrV_Ccg

[ms224]

(02-20-2017 11:25 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:05 PM)ms224 Wrote:  

ivansirko, I would disagree. Putin is the new tsar, with the corresponding cult of personality. Many in the new Russian elite openly
wish for the old soviet days, but seem to gloss over many of the realities of life in the ussr. People fled there for a reason.

Are you disagreeing with ROK and their love for Russia or disagreeing with why?

Quote:

if you respect strength, why not the likes of Kim Jung (or whoever is in charge of NK) or the chinese upper communist crust? They are both more than willing to crush their own to advance their personal cause.

Because unlike North Korea a lot of ROK readers and writers have been to Russia. In addition North Korea is a prison posing as a country.

Quote:

For every hot girl on the streets of moscow, how many gopnik baryshnyas reside elsewhere? What has putin done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living, maybe end corruption especially towards the oligarchy level. Can you now run a business without having a roof?

No idea, however i simply answered the question.

I'm primarily disagreeing with ROK and their love of Putin.

As I've said before, he is a very carefully planned and presented personality cult who yearn for the days of the ussr. look at the recent reformation of stalin for example.

if not NK (maybe not the best example) why not china?

Lots of people have been there, and there is a huge outflux of chinese nationalism in the recent times (at least the appearance of such).

ETA

Kartik13, I feel ya. I think many people are romantacizing the east as some heavily paradise with nymphs flocking towards you.

I have yet to meet a non-native russian speaker who gets the jokes.

Reminds me of a story I was told not too long ago. A Moscow native friend was telling me how when they opened the starbucks there, they had a drink where they took a shot of espresso and diluted it with a whole cup of hot water and had the indignity to call it an Americano.

How stupid did the Americans think we were?!?!?!

I told him they had the same thing here.

[AManLikePutin]

I don't know about others, but my personal fascination with Russia started from the days I was blue-pill and actually left wing. I think about 3 years ago, I actually massively disliked Putin, because I was being fed whatever was on MSM, fresh off college with marxist indoctrination.

When I first started reading up on Russian history (the 19th century and Lenin/Stalin/Trostky biographies. I got inviterd by a friend to a Russian wedding in Siberia (Novosibirsk), and upped my interest in the country. It was actually a gateway that I discovered many lies we had been told here in the West.

The wedding I was going to go to in Novosibirsk was called off, but I already had my tickets and went to Russia for 2 weeks. It turned out to be the most life-changing 2 weeks I've ever experienced. It was fascinating to find Russian millennials so disgusted with communism/socialism whereas most American/Canadian millennial worshiped it in my college campus and among friends. A very interesting interaction was with a freelance photographer from Stalingrad who was staying in my hostel on Tverskaya street and we spent a day together and she was very red-pilled about nationalism, Homosexual agenda, (and the laws to prevent it in Russia), no-PC bullshit. at the time I was quite new to manosphere and the events of those 2 weeks really opened my eyes and steered me in the right direction, I could feel it day by day....and all of that is without mentioning the super feminine and beautiful girls all over Moscow and Spb. It felt great, despite the fact that at the time the only Russian words I knew were ДА и НЕТ.

It was after my Russian trip that I started to listen to Putin in Russian, and not the censored, outrageously edited translations from MSM, overall open my eyes to the alternative media. So personally, Russia will always be special for me, because of that trip. Already can't wait to go back for around the World Cup next year.

Beautiful feminine women, un-cucked leadership, and straight-talking population .... that's the spine of a decent country.

[ms224]

Have you ever listened to radio echo moscow?

They used to be the only opposition left. They were the only ones asking the real uncomfortable
questions during the beslan disaster.

http://echomsk.radio.net/

I do find it mindblowing that anyone, in the 21st century views communism/marxism/socialism as anything
other than a failed ideology, especially in the USA.

But dude, take off the rose colored glasses about putin. pazhalusta.

[MikeMcLaren]

Russia and Putin = conservative right-wing family oriented country and leader with traditional gender roles [/END OF THREAD]

Anybody saying anything different is spreading lies do not be fooled. Gaining support through lies is a radical communist tactic and is un-democratic as it comes. End the EU.

[RatInTheWoods]

We love Russia because it's full of Russian women.

[Rocha]

(02-21-2017 12:32 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

Have you ever listened to radio echo moscow?

They used to be the only opposition left. They were the only ones asking the real uncomfortable
questions during the beslan disaster.

http://echomsk.radio.net/

I do find it mindblowing that anyone, in the 21st century views communism/marxism/socialism as anything
other than a failed ideology, especially in the USA.

But dude, take off the rose colored glasses about putin. pazhalusta.

Beslan. Was that not a terrorist attack made against inoccent people by US/Saudi backed jihadis?

Sure there was a lot of collateral damages, but this is the way Russia leadership since ever decided to deal with terrorism it is not coming from Putin days, there is no tolerance or possible negotiation. Any terrorist shall die.

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Rocha, I'll just agree to disagree with you on the Russian food. I'd like steak but without the mayo, lol

I do not know where does this steak with mayo comes from, but OK... eat some Rulka or Shashlik next time, without Mayo.

Quote:

For every hot girl on the streets of New York, how many fat, gay, lesbian, transsexual, assexual, SJW, hoodrat, reside elsewhere? What has Obama done to actually reduce unemployment, drug use and general standard of living?

Fixed.

Also regarding EU vs Russia, the former is much more corrupt system in itself with its leaders not elected by the EU citizens, opposite to Russia where Putin holds a 80%+ approval rating, even after 17 years in power.

also:

   

[Fortis]

^ Damn, that's pretty awesome. I am not even a Putin fan but that's respectable (if true).