65 approaches for a date is obviously bad, not efficient enough but you already knew that. However it is far from unheard of. You're in "Beginner's Hell" and it is called that for a reason. I know that professionals in direct day game like Krauser had to do hundreds upon hundreds (it may have been over a thousand, I forget) of approaches to get the first lay, but then as ability increases and maxes out, a stable conversion rate is reached unless there are big changes in the environment to affect the numbers. Krauser's was just under 3%. And this is for a guy who has written textbooks on day game, dedicated many years to it, and... who does it more often on foreign girls (definitely non-Anglo, most of the time non-western). 1 lay in around 30 approaches cold is acceptable in the day, it's just a natural result of having a time bridge (restricted to just number farming usually), no alcohol, and worse logistics than at night. At night you can make your game efficient to the point where a mixture of good game, good logistics and good target selection means that you can get laid in 10 approaches or less, 5 approaches or less not unheard of (check out what DigitalNomad and other naturals are doing at night).
I know you didn't like your date's attitude and I can sympathize, but just for the sake of progress maybe you should have invited her to your place for a shot and to watch a film and just gone for it. The fact that you got a date is an improvement.
I don't think most girls are lying to you about partners either. But go for the number, date and bang regardless, just keep your investment low. If she doesn't want to give number/date/bang then she won't. And as ksbms said, it's difficult to know whether it's something you're doing in subcommunications or whether there is actually nothing you can do about it.
I know that day game in many areas of the west gives such rewards compared to effort that it's just not worth it. All those hot young women you see during the day - they may as well not be there because the reality is the effort is even a good day gamer would have to plow through hundreds of them RSD spam style to get anywhere. Are you living in such an area? Who knows. You could be. We do know that those day gamers who got anywhere decent numbers either went to a more favorable area (EE, SA or obviously SEA). EE such as Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia, Russia etc. is far, far from easy, but if you're good at daygame, the market just about pushes your numbers to a set of numbers that are acceptable... just about. I've seen some other "pros'" numbers and I think damn, that's still depressing (i.e. worse than 1 in 30). Either that or they went to a big, cosmopolitan city and targeted foreign girls, like the London day game guys rarely seemed to game local english girls, because they just couldn't get the ROI out of them anywhere near decent. They claim the only reason is that the english girls weren't hot enough, but there are still hot english girls in London. It may be that's the case in Leipzig. You could even try targeting foreign girls there, or approaching them and noting them as separate in your records, to see if there is any major change.
The only way you will find out is to improve your subcoms, go for more approaches/numbers/dates/bangs, until you get a big enough sample, then maybe compare it to doing the same thing in a better market (EE is close by). If you get a noticeably different set of results in EE, then you may have the answer.
BTW, about taken girls, I find they are either as you describe more interested from their subcoms, or they are completely satisfied and not interested in entertaining any male conversation. Maybe they just walked out after being banged for 4 hours straight by their BF. I've met girls like that in the day because I know their friends and BFs. If I hadn't known them I would have approached and thought I'd done something wrong if they weren't interested in my approach. Sometimes happily married/partnered girls can be more flirty because they are more happy and less bitter; they will be polite and even allow themselves to express genuine interest but most won't stray from a daytime cold approach however a small % will. If you've come that far in the approach you may as well try to go to the end. Just watch out for the ones who will text back but are complete time sinks. Some may argue with their BF and drunk dial you at 2 am when they are drunk, horny and angry. I've had that. It can be quite random as to which prospects come through and which ones don't.
In summary, you're in Beginner's Hell, so all is normal. Dismal results are to be expected. But you made progress (got a date) and as you improve you don't know whether you can get a decent ROI out of it yet. You haven't done enough approaches yet or improved your game enough yet to make a reliable decision either way. Have you read Tuthmosis' recipe for first date bangs? If a girl shows up for a date from a cold approach either she is a major cocktease, extremely bored or it is a huge IOI. These days capitalizing on dates with a bang is huge not just for the bang itself but for retention. Also, I wouldn't recommend kissing anywhere outside your place on the date.
I know you didn't like your date's attitude and I can sympathize, but just for the sake of progress maybe you should have invited her to your place for a shot and to watch a film and just gone for it. The fact that you got a date is an improvement.
I don't think most girls are lying to you about partners either. But go for the number, date and bang regardless, just keep your investment low. If she doesn't want to give number/date/bang then she won't. And as ksbms said, it's difficult to know whether it's something you're doing in subcommunications or whether there is actually nothing you can do about it.
I know that day game in many areas of the west gives such rewards compared to effort that it's just not worth it. All those hot young women you see during the day - they may as well not be there because the reality is the effort is even a good day gamer would have to plow through hundreds of them RSD spam style to get anywhere. Are you living in such an area? Who knows. You could be. We do know that those day gamers who got anywhere decent numbers either went to a more favorable area (EE, SA or obviously SEA). EE such as Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia, Russia etc. is far, far from easy, but if you're good at daygame, the market just about pushes your numbers to a set of numbers that are acceptable... just about. I've seen some other "pros'" numbers and I think damn, that's still depressing (i.e. worse than 1 in 30). Either that or they went to a big, cosmopolitan city and targeted foreign girls, like the London day game guys rarely seemed to game local english girls, because they just couldn't get the ROI out of them anywhere near decent. They claim the only reason is that the english girls weren't hot enough, but there are still hot english girls in London. It may be that's the case in Leipzig. You could even try targeting foreign girls there, or approaching them and noting them as separate in your records, to see if there is any major change.
The only way you will find out is to improve your subcoms, go for more approaches/numbers/dates/bangs, until you get a big enough sample, then maybe compare it to doing the same thing in a better market (EE is close by). If you get a noticeably different set of results in EE, then you may have the answer.
BTW, about taken girls, I find they are either as you describe more interested from their subcoms, or they are completely satisfied and not interested in entertaining any male conversation. Maybe they just walked out after being banged for 4 hours straight by their BF. I've met girls like that in the day because I know their friends and BFs. If I hadn't known them I would have approached and thought I'd done something wrong if they weren't interested in my approach. Sometimes happily married/partnered girls can be more flirty because they are more happy and less bitter; they will be polite and even allow themselves to express genuine interest but most won't stray from a daytime cold approach however a small % will. If you've come that far in the approach you may as well try to go to the end. Just watch out for the ones who will text back but are complete time sinks. Some may argue with their BF and drunk dial you at 2 am when they are drunk, horny and angry. I've had that. It can be quite random as to which prospects come through and which ones don't.
In summary, you're in Beginner's Hell, so all is normal. Dismal results are to be expected. But you made progress (got a date) and as you improve you don't know whether you can get a decent ROI out of it yet. You haven't done enough approaches yet or improved your game enough yet to make a reliable decision either way. Have you read Tuthmosis' recipe for first date bangs? If a girl shows up for a date from a cold approach either she is a major cocktease, extremely bored or it is a huge IOI. These days capitalizing on dates with a bang is huge not just for the bang itself but for retention. Also, I wouldn't recommend kissing anywhere outside your place on the date.
