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A co-worker came up to me and asked me what he can do to be better with women. I peg him @ mid 50's.

What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?

[Needless]

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties? Do they think they could still pull it off with women in their twenties?

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(08-14-2008 01:10 PM)Needless Wrote:  

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties? Do they think they could still pull it off with women in their twenties?

Certain Famous/Rich Guys can pull it off. But a lot of that is wealth or power.

And there's a certain personality type. If you've ever been to Club Love in NE, there's a Old Eastern European Guy who dances with alot of the women on the 2nd floor. Believe me, Sergei knows nothing about dancing. But I don't know how he works his "novelty" into actual pulls.

[dollen]

na... that is a whole new game. "You never want to be the old guy at that club" as the wise C. Rock stated. You are treading in Heff territory here and if you don't happen to have a bank roll as big as your Playboy mansion you had better come to the table with uncommonly great skills, confidence and a willingness to be the sugar daddy. Best I can guess its about social status and being taken care of for girls that date/mate older guys.

My guess anyway.

[Steve Lurkel]

50+?

I'd hand him a post-it note that reads, "www.erosguide.com" and then never speak of it again.

[GMoney]

Good question. I just hit 40, and all of a sudden, the "Game' that has worked for me all these years has tanked. I think the key is have money, or be in better shape than guys your age. I bought a nice looking 5 year old BMW, and I try and work out as much as I can, also using gym time to socialize. I posted the other day about where to find women, because at 40, the nightclub hasn't been working like it used to. However, Roosh is right about the local "dive" bar. If a woman is in there, drinking alone, she is probably looking to hookup. Just like Michael Jordan, my averages have dropped since I turned 40, for sure.

[Roosh]

(08-14-2008 01:10 PM)Needless Wrote:  

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties?

Hell no. I'm 29 and getting sick of the scene. I go to bars three, four times a month now. I used to do that in a week.

If I was 50 and lonely, first I would cry and drink alone. But then when that doesn't work I'd go to the old people bar where they serve peanuts in a communal bowl. There's bound to be old ladies just like myself looking for a rogering.

Perhaps i'd volunteer and join a book club.

[Roissy]

(08-14-2008 10:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Hell no. I'm 29 and getting sick of the scene. I go to bars three, four times a month now. I used to do that in a week.

i'm down to 3 a week -- two weeknights and one weekend night.

i don't know how i do it. good genes, green tea, and location i guess.

as you get older you either resolve to pull the trigger and settle down, or you live with the lifestyle you've made for yourself. stay in shape, make a decent living or do something out of the ordinary with your life, learn game, stay on top of the youth culture, and dress well, and you can consistently date women 10 to 15 years younger. obviously, you won't be pulling 21 year olds when you're 60 (unless you're famous or filthy rich) no matter how sharp your game is, but you can pull 40 year old divorcees. so game helps even when you have to bend to biological reality.

one thing you will notice as you get older is that the really young women (15+ years younger) won't flirt as much with you as you pass them on the street or in the mall. you won't get those coy eye-fucking approach invitations anymore. all this means is that you have to be more aggressive running your game. you won't be able to rely on your looks and wait for girls to check you out. you'll have to go in cold and be prepared for her objections to the age difference with a snappy line and the proper frame. also, start considering meeting girls in places other than bars and clubs. art classes, theater, dance classes, wine tasting events, etc, will skew a little older and attract the type of girls who like older men.

bottom line: game becomes even more important for the older gentleman.

[duncanidaho]

Point your older guy friend to Pick Up material. Let him decide if this is something he wants to develop, and whether he chooses to or not you've at least done your part.

[zorgon]

(08-15-2008 05:18 PM)Roissy Wrote:  

obviously, you won't be pulling 21 year olds when you're 60 (unless you're famous or filthy rich) no matter how sharp your game is

Not impossible. I know a guy who's approaching 60 who's dating a girl who's (I believe) 23. He's not at all famous, and he's certainly not "filthy rich", particularly once you subtract his alimony payments from his income. There is certainly a "sugar daddy" aspect to the setup, though.

Also know a 50-ish guy who regularly dates 20-something girls. Then again, this second guy *is* somewhat filthy rich (I'm guessing $5-10M net worth), and something of a player. He likes to take them out on his boat to get trashed, or up on his airplane so he can renew his membership in the mile-high club...

Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done.

[Trotter]

Eharmony?

Mail order bride?

There are tons of Russian girls in the area that would love nothing better than to hook up with an old, American, guy.

[Peter]

It makes a big difference whether the 40+ guy is looking for women his own age or for young chicks. If it's the former, he doesn't need much in the line of Game or money, as in the 40+ age group the number of women seeking men is usually greater - often much greater - than the number of men seeking women. Of course, if he's looking for a significantly younger woman, he's going to need plenty of money and/or top-notch Game, probably the former.

[duncanidaho]

One thing that's understated is how age treats men and women. Most men who get older, and provided they're taking care of themselves, are often viewed as becoming more "mature looking." Women, on the other hand, and provided they're taking care of themselves, are often viewed with age as "looking Older."

[ManAbout]

(08-14-2008 06:52 PM)GMoney Wrote:  

Good question. I just hit 40, and all of a sudden, the "Game' that has worked for me all these years has tanked. I think the key is have money, or be in better shape than guys your age. I bought a nice looking 5 year old BMW, and I try and work out as much as I can, also using gym time to socialize. I posted the other day about where to find women, because at 40, the nightclub hasn't been working like it used to. However, Roosh is right about the local "dive" bar. If a woman is in there, drinking alone, she is probably looking to hookup. Just like Michael Jordan, my averages have dropped since I turned 40, for sure.

I think it is because you are taking the "damn, I am 40" mentality with you when you talk to women. I dont see how it would change that drastically. It is not like your looks decline dramatically the moment the calenday shows 40. Men dont age the same way that women do. If you are taking care of yourself and exercising regularly you should look pretty much the same as you did 10 years ago.

[ManAbout]

(08-15-2008 05:18 PM)Roissy Wrote:  

you won't be able to rely on your looks and wait for girls to check you out. you'll have to go in cold and be prepared for her objections to the age difference with a snappy line and the proper frame.

At what stage does this discussion of age difference come up? I have taken a dont ask, dont tell approach mostly. I dont bring up the age topic at all. I think it is better not to draw attention to it, because then it shows them that there is something to be uncomfortable about it and they begin to rethink. If she likes how you look, I dont think an age discussion should take place until there is a potential for it to evolve into something serious. Btw, what do you say to counter their objections when/if they do come up?

[Roissy]

(08-25-2008 03:13 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

At what stage does this discussion of age difference come up?

it comes up early and often. don't take it like a test or anything. girls ask your age when they are interested in you and want to build a connection. obviously, the greater the age difference, the more curious she'll be.

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I have taken a dont ask, dont tell approach mostly. I dont bring up the age topic at all.

i agree. the optimal course of action is to not mention it at all. but if you feel like it she's thinking about it you may want to bring it up before she does and neutralize any possible objections.

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If she likes how you look, I dont think an age discussion should take place until there is a potential for it to evolve into something serious.

at that point you're home free. once a girl has fallen for you she'll do the hard work of rationalizing away the age difference.

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Btw, what do you say to counter their objections when/if they do come up?

there's a lot of material out there on how to handle age objections. i like to put her on the defensive and say stuff like "normally i date older women because they're classier and more sophisticated, but so far you seem to be doing OK."
if the girl asks right away, and you don't see her as anything more than a one night stand or a fling, then it's OK to lie about your age. in that case, your age isn't important. another thing you could say when she asks right away is "i want to keep a little mystery. i've had some trouble with stalkers in the past so i need to be a little careful."

[Prometheus]

Once you get into your late 30's and above , unless you are in good physical shape and a good looking guy and/or have considerable amounts of money/power/influence/fame chances are that you will not be picking up too many women in the age range of 20 -30.

It's possible , but its also alot more difficult.

What you are also faced with is a plethora of desperate single mothers , divorcees (with or without kids) trying to latch onto a man , unatractive/obese women that noone wants , women with personality disorders that have been on the "fucked and dumped" cycle, and the plain crazy.

[speakeasy]

I'm 33 but when I ask girls to guess my age they usually say mid 20s. So I'm lucky that I'm aging well.

[speakeasy]

This is the look you have to pull off if you're an old guy and want younger girls.



Like "The most interesting man in the world" from the Dos Equios commercials. I love those commercials, btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpUMYQe6u...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZHjcQZ1...re=related

I love this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxw0_Pxym...re=related

[thegmanifesto]

Speakeasy,

That's funny, that guy looks Exactly like one of my best friends fathers.

He is and was a super G: Played in first World series of poker, made money in oil and was known as a super, super sharp dresser, even in the gambling world.

[speakeasy]

When I'm in my 60s, I definitely plan on looking slick. There's a special reverence I have for older playboy types.

[Kona]

Myself, and a lot of my friends have discovered that girls ages 20 to about 27 seem fascinated with men ages 30 to about 37.

The most single night lays I got was the year I turned 30. Same with my brother.

Anybody else notice this?

Aloha!

[Riker]

Damn it I'm 23 and I thank god I get older everyday. I love being an appreciating asset. I'm not going to lie about my age but I know a lot of girls get turned off by a guy younger than them, even if they didn't think you were younger at first.

[ManAbout]

(11-16-2009 07:36 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  

Once you get into your late 30's and above , unless you are in good physical shape and a good looking guy and/or have considerable amounts of money/power/influence/fame chances are that you will not be picking up too many women in the age range of 20 -30.

It's possible , but its also alot more difficult.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[dirtman]

(08-25-2008 03:13 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-15-2008 05:18 PM)Roissy Wrote:  

you won't be able to rely on your looks and wait for girls to check you out. you'll have to go in cold and be prepared for her objections to the age difference with a snappy line and the proper frame.

At what stage does this discussion of age difference come up? I have taken a dont ask, dont tell approach mostly. I dont bring up the age topic at all. I think it is better not to draw attention to it, because then it shows them that there is something to be uncomfortable about it and they begin to rethink. If she likes how you look, I dont think an age discussion should take place until there is a potential for it to evolve into something serious. Btw, what do you say to counter their objections when/if they do come up?

I'm 37, so not quite at 40 but rounding the corner. One thing that changes with age and experience, especially regarding younger women, is the dynamic itself. You take them less seriously in every way. How could you not? It's almost like you're a high school teacher and they are just high school kids. [I'm just making an analogy here.]

If they ask you how old you are, you just say it matter-of-factly because it doesn't matter one way or the other what happens. Personally, I've never scared a younger woman away because of my age. If we're at the point where she's asking me she's at least curious, as roissy points out. Some have asked me only after sex. If anything, many of them prefer men that are older than I am, 40+. There are many psychological dispositions that a woman may have which may lead her to be attracted to a man, yet a commonality is being attracted to an older man that is dominant and doesn't take her seriously. This is from my own life:

Her: So, how old are you?
Me: I'm 37. You?
Her: I'm 24.

At this point the girl seemed to feel insecure because she was so much younger. You can exploit this if you like, reminding her of your dominance. This can be done with a smirk and a comment, or you can just say,

Me: Okay. [Conversation continues.]

The bottom line, though, is that women are women are women. If you're barking up the wrong tree with a woman who has no interest in you it doesn't matter if she's 20 or 40.

Some younger women prefer older men, and some much older men. This is why, as men, we rule and why older women hate us as we grow older. Enjoy.