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Liberal leaning folks are good at noting the issues with existing political systems. Ignoring the extremist SJWs, who see problems that don't exist, your average person with liberal sensibilities would like to see the world be a better place.
Conservatives tend to be self-serving types who ignore all existing problems that don't affect them personally.
Neither group is particularly adept at presenting solutions that would actually better our world, although there is a segment (of liberals) who are getting their hands dirty trying.
Look up the type of people who are working on projects such as aquaponic growing systems and you'll find individuals who are genuinely putting their money (and time) where their mouth is.
You'll find a few conservatives in that group, but it is mostly dominated by liberals.
All false, completely ignorant nonsense.
Conservatives are self-serving? When in fact...
- Conservatives donate far more to charity (because they believe in God)
This may be true, but it doesn't prove anything, as people don't always donate to charity for selfless reasons.
They often do it to prove that they are "good people" and justify other areas of selfishness.
They often donate for self-serving political reasons. It was be infantile to believe that all so-called non-profits are non-political.
Nope, not only do charities report where they get most their volunteers and donations from (red states) but analysis's of tax returns show that red state people also claim fewer tax-deductions for charitable giving.
They give and don't tell anyone about it, like it says to do in Matthew 5.
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- Make up 80% of the military frontline and casualty list (because they believe in God)
They don't necessarily do this because they believe in God. They do it for a sense of identity.
False again. Google, "There is no love hath greater than to give your life for a friend."
There's what Christians say they believe and then there are the real motivations for their actions. When I see the majority of so-called "Christians" cancelling their cable TV service, minimizing their lifestyle to essentials and vowing to never buy a new car again and then donating the savings to helping people, then I'll believe everything people say about Christian sacrifice.
Until then....
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If more people were liberal, the government wouldn't be able to fight so many pointless wars, as it is always the conservatives who are on the frontlines of "trusting the government."
Historically ignorant. Democrats started:
- Mexican War
- Civil War
- WW1
- WW2
- Korean
- Vietnam
Republicans were the original anti-war party. They led all the resistance to joining WW1, for example. Even today the anti-war section of the Republican party is massive.
Those examples are so historical at this point that they bear no value to a discussion about the modern day gap between liberal and conservative behavior.
In fact, the modern liberal way of thinking was largely born as a reaction to Vietnam.
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We saw that in the Iraqi War, where despite there being very reasonable questions about the justification to go to war, conservatives were quick to argue that we needed to "trust George W. Bush" because he was a Christian, patriotism, etc.
This is the only war attributable to Republicans, and it was a pathetically small and measly war compared to Democrat history. Do you even history bro?
Yes, conservatives and registered Republicans.
Quote: (07-14-2017 07:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:
And how many countries did Obama blow up? Come on man, you're not even trying!
Obama is a figurehead, nothing more. Look for the strings to see who controls the puppet.
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Look where that got us.
Still less of a mess than any Democrat war.
Another outdated reference to the current discussion.
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Conservatives aren't eager to go to war because they believe in God. If they really understood the Christian message and actually understood politics (and how soldiers are essentially useful idiots for more powerful entities), it would be the opposite.
Try again. Conservatives understand "war is a racket" better than anyone (a phrase from a Republican). The term "industrial war complex" was coined by a Republican, Dwight Eisenhower.
Not true. Bush's support for his ridiculous war was from Christians who believe that carpet bombing a sovereign country is a good way to love your neighbor.
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They are eager to join the military and go to war for self-serving purposes.
Has never been the case for 90% of Republicans. Maybe some fat-cat generals, but for the common man no fucking way.
This 90% figure seems suspicious. Please quote your source.
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- Do far more to promote families (which is the bedrock of civilization, because they believe in God)
Simply not the case. Atheists (generally liberals) have a lower divorce rate than so-called Christians.
Because atheists have lower marriage rates. Fewer marriages mean less chances for divorces. They also have far fewer children, and are more likely to be obese shut-ins.
Can't say anyone is too eager to join the atheist crowd nowadays.
If the Christian community was really serious about strong family communities, the divorce rate wouldn't be over 15%.
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Meanwhile for every Liberal helping the poor or working on some invention, there are 1000 liberals sucking up taxpayer money and blowing it on drugs and booze. Most liberals are selfish hedonists, conservatives aren't even close by comparison.
Show me your source, so that I know that you didn't make up this statistic.
http://www.ibtimes.com/charitable-giving...us-1700059
^ Plenty of info in there.
I'll happily read any relevant quotes you are willing to post here.
Quote: (07-14-2017 07:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Not only that, but where is all the degeneracy located? Blue cities, 100% of the time. Vegas, NYC, San Faggito.
The stereotypes of Libs and Conserves exist for a reason... because it's all true. I've seen it 1 million times personally, and the stats back me up as well.
Plenty of the people in degenerate modern cities came from red state regions. They may have even grown up in a Christian community, but after witnessing the daily hypocrisy among those conservatives, they wanted to have nothing to do with it and went looking for answers somewhere else.