[Number one bummer]

A girl I went to school with got into body building. She went from easy 8 to a man-jawed freak on gear in just a couple years. Women think looking like that is hot.

I went to the Arnold Classic last weekend which they mentioned in BBC video above. Me and my friends played a real life would you bang that game. You would think a place like that would be crawling with WB's. It wasn't, girls either had wider shoulders than me or they were your classic 40 pounds overweight "gurl lifter, getting gainz" stereotype. It was a serious letdown but we got a lot of free samples. I feel like most of the booth girls were just over-tatted, heroin junkies they found around Columbus.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-10-2017 03:52 PM)Number one bummer Wrote:  

A girl I went to school with got into body building. She went from easy 8 to a man-jawed freak on gear in just a couple years. Women think looking like that is hot.

I went to the Arnold Classic last weekend which they mentioned in BBC video above. Me and my friends played a real life would you bang that game. You would think a place like that would be crawling with WB's. It wasn't, girls either had wider shoulders than me or they were your classic 40 pounds overweight "gurl lifter, getting gainz" stereotype. It was a serious letdown but we got a lot of free samples. I feel like most of the booth girls were just over-tatted, heroin junkies they found around Columbus.

Typical female perception of: "I like tattoos and muscles on a man, so men have to love these things on women as well!"

[lemko]

(02-10-2017 04:51 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 10:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It looks like three out of four dudes in the background are texting. What's the point of going at all?

And her pictures are all heavily filtered. I bet there's a lot of flaws we aren't seeing.

Aloha!

Looks like somebody Photoshopped a woman's head on a guy's body.

[MKE-Ed]

(03-10-2017 12:30 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  





She is clearly obsessed with wanting to get big and massive as much as possible. There is no way she gained that much muscle mass quickly in a short period of time. It is pretty clear she's using steroids.

Before, she was a pretty girl. Now? Disgusting. Try covering her face on your computer screen and you will see what I mean.

She's going to get even bigger as she continues to use the steroids big time. Imagine what she's going to look like in a few years. Her face looks ok now, in a few years, she's going to have a bigger manjaw and a very hardened look on her face. This is very common with a lot of female bodybuilders. Its from the overuse of the steroids.

[budoslavic]

Eye bleach...

Svetlana Bilyalova (Russian fitness model)

[kosko]

Steroids cost a ton of money. If American women who lift have to resort at times to sex work to pay for gear what makes you think some village girl like this has the bank roll to go get gear?

Where is the girls sponsorship?

Does she look like she comes from a wealthy or corrupt family? .. if she did they would not let her do prole shut like lift weights and instead she would be doing more feminine things likely.

Does she show typical gear symptoms like rough acne ridden skin? Girls who look gear have bad skin and usually tan and down themselves in make up to hide it.

I just don't always assume girls on gear. Someone like Dan Lynn Bailey has more red flags for gear use as she has a ton of money and has some side effects visible like bad akin.

I also think far too many dudes lol at this from our own male perspective. It didn't take women lots of time to stack on muscle at all. I've told the story about how a dude at Mt gym trained a girl who maybe went to a gym 3 times a year into having a body that places in a competition not even 2 years after she started lifting. In 1 year she got enough bulk and tone to compete and then the rest of the months was to cut and tone. It would of taken a man 5-6 years to get to the same level of muscle quality. This is one reason women are in gyms bow as they can get results very quickly and be in stag ram ready in not even a year if the gave a good workout plan.

Maybe muscle barbie tugs old men in massage parlours to pay for gear, who knows. But I just don't get the signs for shady geat use even if she some of the most muscle development I've seen in a younger female. If more shady signs come to light then I would beleive. I just think the "steroid" tag is lazy at times. Plus steroids don't paint on muscles so she would still have to be in the gym everyday building up anyhow.

[Teutatis]

I disagree, this girl presents plenty of signs of steroid use, you're probably so used to seeing guys and girls on steroids claiming to be natural that it became hard for you to recognize when someone is on them if they don't look like a complete freak, and I yes, steroids do make muscle mass increase even if you don't workout and just stay home twirling your thumbs.

In fact you gain a lot more muscle mass if you take steroids and don't do anything then a natural person that busts his or her ass in the gym every week for months and months, it's not even close. People that try to downplay what steroids can do just strike me as someone who's on the juice but still wants others to believe they got their muscle mass not because of steroids but because of hard work, which is laughable. In my 15 years of being in and out of gyms I've seen tons of lazy guys that workout like pansys blowup from steroid use and plenty of roid monkeys that don't put in half of the effort I or other naturals put in our training, but are still levels above what we could ever achieve naturally.

The whole "oh sure, he takes roids but he still has to work hard" makes me laugh because you don't really need to work that hard when you're juicing. If it really only took "hard work" and steroids are really that unimportant as these people claim then why do they take them in the first place, why not simply be a natural and go hard on the gym? Because that's bullshit, everyone knows that it doesn't matter how hard you work or how many sacrifices you make, without vitamin S you'll never get to that level. And of course, if you really dedicate yourself and do train hard then your gains will be even greater.

The pervasive use of several types of steroids and HGH and other things like insulin made everyone unable to recognize what truly a fit, healthy and natural body looks like.

[budoslavic]

Off topic, but still related to steroids.

Back in the early 1980's, as I was in my final year of high school, there was this one kid (a junior) who went through an amazing transformation over the summer. He was a cross country (fall sport) and track & field's long distance runner (spring sport) while I played soccer (fall sport) and basketball (winter sport) for our school's sports teams.

Summer ended. Fall sports started. As I was getting ready for soccer practice on the first day of school in the boys locker room, in walk this kid I barely recognized. His physique went through such an amazing transformation that boggled everybody's mind. He was not massive yet so he was just getting started, but he was so shredded enough to the point where girls' panties were wet and his muscles were noticeable. Everybody's reaction was like: "Dude, WTF! Three months ago he was skinny and now he's bigger than us!".

We all knew he was juicing one way or another.

Weirdest thing is that he chose to play football despite having never played the sport as he was a long distance runner before that.

Rumors - confirmed and true - were flying around at my school that he was juicing. Big time. How he got the money to pay for it was a mystery. But I do remember that his parents were wealthy so they got money.

After I graduated from high school, I moved away to attend university and lived on my own. But still visited home every now and then. The kid entered his final year of high school and he was a steroid freak. He put on such massive amounts of muscles and tons of weight in a short period of time. It was like watching a Goodyear Blimp ballooned. Also, he was constantly eating so much so that was not a surprise.

After he graduated, he went on to play college football somewhere (Division III, I think). He continued using steroids.

One day, there was a big news in the local newspaper in the 1990's. He got busted for selling steroids at a gym he was a member of and was arrested. I don't remember much details. But the funny thing is, he was also an assistant football coach at a Division III school.

I remember the gym that was he was a member of when we were in high school. The gym place was mostly hardcore bodybuilders and weight lifters plus college and high school athletes. Of course, the place was a breeding ground for steroids usage.

How I knew? The owner of that gym - a former bodybuilder and football player - was selling steroids. He was busted in the 1980's so it was big news, of course. That explain where and how the kid first started using steroids.

Oh yeah...the kid I mentioned? His parents' house was just up the road from my parents' house on the same street. Small world.

[Fortis]

Just because you don't see steroid usage in a girl's face doesn't mean there isn't any drug abuse going on. Doping is a very scientific thing and you have doctors out there who make it their job to keep you from looking like your doped up.

Many girls use SARMS (Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators) since they have many muscle-building effects without being extremely harsh and giving a girl a man-jaw. Also, as a guy who has friends who train people for big competitions as well, you CAN put a girl on steroids without getting her a manjaw. They tend to use less harsh steroids and far lower dosages, but those girls are still on gear.

At the end of the day, Muscle = testosterone. The average dude has 10x the testosterone of your average female and you can see it. Guys tend to be bigger and stronger and get bigger at a way faster rate. If women could work out less and bigger and stronger than men easily then we would have women fighting all our wars, competing at the highest levels (against men) in all sports and everything. That simply is not how it is.

Kosko, I'm going to disagree. In regards to fitness, a healthy male can get yoked much faster than a healthy female can. Sure, the best coach might be able to take a gifted female and take her to a higher level than a normal male. But all things being equal (genetics, coaching, and drugs), l I can confidently say that a guy can become contest ready faster than a female. Getting a woman sub 20% bodyfat is hell. Their bodies start going haywire, whereas a dude can get to sub 10% with considerably less effort and fewer long-term health consequences.

Women simply don't have the testosterone levels to support absurd amounts of muscle. That's why you can often pit a more experienced female combatant against a less experienced male combatant and still have the guy come out on top. That testosterone (strength) differential is a big deal.

[Foolsgo1d]

So how big is her dick?

[911]

(03-10-2017 08:38 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Eye bleach...

Svetlana Bilyalova (Russian fitness model)

Too much surgery, cheekbones, lips, chin - she's about an 8 now and will hit the wall hard. [/pointyelbows]

[nomadbrah]

Steroids don't cost a lot of money in Russia or Asia, they make them in bathtubs or steal them or use bovine hormones.

The girl is 1000% roiding.

[Repo]

Yeah most people I know who roid hard make all the roid money back either on instagram or selling the roids to other newbs. Most don't really make a ton of money off this, just enough to pay for itself.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I heard from semi-pro bodybuilders that sucking dick is a way how many make money. With each bodybuilding competition there are a ton of old gay guys who come and have a fetish for bodybuilders. Since the gear costs 10.000$ per month for those who want to make it big, then many jump on the dick-sucking-train.

Of course not all do it - but many.

As for women - the level of testosterone speeds up their libido tremendously, I think that the muscle barbie goes the TagTheSponsor route or has one or few sponsors locally - that isn't so difficult frankly. If she goes out looking, then she can find easily someone who pays her bills and fucks her anytime he chooses. She is attractive enough for that - most girls are not given 8-level-faces.

[General Stalin]

If I was gonna be gay for pay to help pay for my drug needs I would deff be a pitcher. Something way too ironic about sucking dick for T supplements.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

A former buddy of mine was juicing - he worked out maybe once a week, but was still massive. Then he even stopped working out much and remained massive, but not overly ripped.

But he wasn't overly stable anyway and died in a car accident - though his steroid use was not related to that. Also like many others he resold steroids on the side.

[nomadbrah]

There's a real red pill to steroids. One that steroid users in the bb community do their best to hide and deny and its that you simply can't compete with steroids as a natural. You literally gain more muscle mass on steroids - doing nothing - than if you do natural training. Study here: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJ...7043350101

That's it then. Make an informed choice.

[Repo]

$10k per month seems excessive, my impression from bodybuilders I know was $1k-2k was more realistic, unless if they were bullshitting me. I do know you can do a very serious cycle for a few hundred a month.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-11-2017 05:25 PM)Repo Wrote:  

$10k per month seems excessive, my impression from bodybuilders I know was $1k-2k was more realistic, unless if they were bullshitting me. I do know you can do a very serious cycle for a few hundred a month.

10k per month is for those who intend to go pro - you can do it much cheaper for simple gains - even big ones.

[Repo]

Yeah I've done a 16 week cycle that left me with massive gains (which I have since lost), total cost was $375. I can't imagine where $10k would go.

[Neo]

Girl is revolting and definitely juicing, there's no way she has this physique naturally.

Sexual attraction is polarized for the most part. Every male and female has a percentage of masculine and feminine essence. Some guys are highly masculine and maybe their ratio is 80/20, or 90/10. I don't think anyone is 100/0 either way. Even the most masculine guy demonstrates traditional 'feminine' traits like understanding, compassion, empathy. Personally I rate high on masculinity so I like and get along with very feminine women in both personality and looks.

I'd bet that the guys who are into this sort of look have a more feminine than masculine essence or maybe 50/50. I mean guys who are actually attracted to this sort of body...not the guy who just wants to bang her for the novelty of it. Nothing wrong with that, but she's 100% WNB for me.

[TravelerKai]

(03-11-2017 05:11 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

< I heard from semi-pro bodybuilders that sucking dick is a way how many make money. With each bodybuilding competition there are a ton of old gay guys who come and have a fetish for bodybuilders. Since the gear costs 10.000$ per month for those who want to make it big, then many jump on the dick-sucking-train.

Of course not all do it - but many.

As for women - the level of testosterone speeds up their libido tremendously, I think that the muscle barbie goes the TagTheSponsor route or has one or few sponsors locally - that isn't so difficult frankly. If she goes out looking, then she can find easily someone who pays her bills and fucks her anytime he chooses. She is attractive enough for that - most girls are not given 8-level-faces.

[Fortis]

Zelc might not be exaggerating. Beyond just steroids, there are A LOT of costs that go into being a pro bodybuilder. Think about it.

Flight expenses to the shows leading up the Olympia. All those invitational contests are probably expensive.

If you're trying to go pro you are NOT working a full-time job. You need rent money and, more importantly, food money.
I'm just a casual lifter and sometimes my food bill seems a bit cray. If you were trying to go pro I imagine you are spending some serious cash on food and supplements.

Don't' also forget your training fees. You are paying someone to make sure that you walk onto stage looking as big and as lean as possible. That shit ain't free. Good trainers cost a pretty penny. Amazing trainers who help you win the Olympia probably cost something insane.

Some pros also go get lots of massagers to help their bodies deal with the massive amounts of abuse them put themselves though.

This is just all the shit I can think of off the top of my head.

Being a professional bodybuilder is expensive and quite cost prohibitive. That's why Kai Greene was doing gay porn and shit for extra money.

By the way, they call those old gay dudes who pay for all this stuff "schmoes (SP?)" or something like that. Pro bodybuilding is a pretty seedy sport. Lots of occult shit going on.

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-11-2017 04:01 PM)911 Wrote:  

Too much surgery, cheekbones, lips, chin - she's about an 8 now and will hit the wall hard. [/pointyelbows]

This isn't to criticize the girl or anyone's opinions.
Rather, that modern society is so fucked up across the board; that if you told me this Svetlana Bilyalova was a Thai lady boy...
I wouldn't necessarily doubt it...

[kosko]

I've heard about bodybuilders having to sink 5k+ a month into all costs for traning which likely includes the gear. Food alone is almost 1000 if they eat super clean and natural with a meal prep service.

Zel is correct that tons do gay for pay. Many bodybuilders do webcam shows for rich gay men who pay for private chats. The worst ones do phtoshoots with the most unhinged doing videos and pornos.

For the women it is almost expected. They maybe won't fuck clients but they will do domination, rub and tugs, and if the money is good they will peg cuckold men who pay top dolled to be dominated by beast women.

The hobby isn't cheap and if it drives people here in the West to turn into sex trade slaves then what does it do for village lady in the middle of Russia?

This is why I bring up costs. If people here go to such degeneration for gear what is going on in developing parts of the globe?

What is cheap for us, isn't always cheap for them. When I was in Africa fresh meals were dirt cheap for me, like $2-3 for a home cooked meal. To a local it is a splurge that would equal a days salary. So even if gear is on discount there it would still be a large money sink for a local.