[Feldeinsamkeit]

(02-12-2017 10:59 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 09:17 AM)rafaeld Wrote:  

...they can get attracted to the "horny rage" you get from a dry spell. That feeling you want to pound the shit out of her? A lot of girls in relationships don't get that raw masculinity in a relationship.

Haha this is exactly what I did, it works. I came off a long dry spell and went crazy on a girl, she was entranced and fell in love that day, said I was a maniac and it was the most insane sex she had ever experienced. I totally pacified her, after it was as if I owned her, all those dozens of men in her daily life who wanted to bang her, immediately fell into the background. Fuck like it's your last fuck on earth. Unleash the incel rage. Embrace it and unleash it on her, take no prisoners. Dysfunctional, degenerate extremes of emotional and physical passion.

Simplify things. Get a girl home, don't kiss her in public or touch her other than maybe a few incidental touches. Put on some music, give her a few drinks. Then go for the kiss. If she reciprocates, start to unleash. Feast on her body, touch and kiss her all over, take your time. If she tries to touch your dick swat her hand away. Remove her clothes and devour her. Lick her ass hole, all around then actually stick your tongue in. Then go back up to the other hole but rotate thumb and finger in her ass hole. Go back up, kiss her stomach as you do so, then continue to make out with her. Listen to "Your Body Is A Wonderland" by John Mayer. When you are banging, all different positions, everything you want, go for many hours. You are feasting because you don't know how long it will be until you get another meal. (But if you do this one right she should be begging to come back for more.)

It's easier said than done I know but I feel you have to develop a ruthless streak. All of the best naturals I have known have a distinct killer instinct. They see an interested prospect, they take her home, they try to bang her, and if they take her home, most of the time they bang. You will never get anywhere near 100% success, but for any of the bangs available, you should ideally leave nothing on the table.

In your meeting with the 7 for example you should have just tried to pull her home and bang her, because why not? You literally had nothing to lose, but you were being so hesitant and polite that you potentially left a bang on the table. It may be against your natural disposition but you have to develop the killer instinct. Otherwise you'll be stuck in the abyss forever.

This really resonated when I read that, since I've been wondering about this myself. I was on a tram about a week ago and this nice-looking, studenty-looking blonde (roughly a late 20s, 6.5) gets on. Even before she does so, she already makes direct eye-contact with me through the window. I was feeling quite horny that day and, given that she was standing near the doors within full view of where I was sat, I proceeded to size her up with a look of craven lust, repeatedly up and down and then directly into her eyes, maintaining some intense eye-contact as I did so. One thing that was curious was that, rather than turn her head away in annoyance - which she could easily have done - she kept it tilted towards me at about a thirty degree angle, but not quite facing me. The more I looked directly at her face and imagined what I wanted to do to her, the more I could see a smile crack on her lips, although she tried her best to conceal it. I would swear that you could have cut the sexual atmosphere with a knife. Also, when I did turn away from her to look out of the window, I could see in the reflection how she would then turn to check me out.

Incidentally, this is not the first time this has happened to me on the tram and has tended to happen on occasions when I've been in a particularly energized - and horny - state of mind, so what you said in your post does chime with my experience. If I'm feeling run down or my mood is really under pressure, this sort of thing just doesn't happen.

In a sense it all makes a lot of sense given the cultural background here. I've noticed how German guys do everything they can not to make eye contact with women here, especially the good-looking ones, even going to the lengths of sitting at right-angles to women on seats so as not to have to face them. So, although the quality of male genetics is very high - i.e. lots of tall, good-looking guys kicking around town - the raw go-getting masculinity does seem definitely lacking here.

But I've got a question I was wondering about: When you spoke about the "ruthless streak", what did you mean exactly? And were you thinking about applying this also within the context of daygame, i.e. bookstore and tram game, which is what I'm looking to focus on in the next few days? My biggest problem at the moment is trying to identify girls who are DTF in public and then targeting them using daygame.

[McCarthy]

(02-12-2017 03:55 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I feel as a now fully paid-up member of the incel club that in order to end my lifetime subscription, I need to perform a tightrope act, in the sense that although I'm deprived of the one major ground for feeling upbeat, I still have to pull the act off with aplomb of acting as if this were not the case. As an incel, you're given the slenderest of supports, but you have to find a way of walking the rope all the same otherwise it will hang you.

Due to depression, awkwardness, I spent four years of my life without getting laid. I know what you feel, bro. Seriously, I do.

In the end, I had to put on a mask when targeting women and act. Tinder obviously helped me. And lowering the WB threshold as well. Start from the bottom and go up as you learn.

Now I am on dry spell again because I am very busy, but I don’t care since I have proved myself I can get my dick wet with Tinder. And yes, pussy is overrated, but one can also afirm that ONCE you have got "tons" of pussy.

Or perhaps is that I am getting close to 30 and I don’t give much damn about pussy anymore.

[BetaNoMore]

Thank you to everyone. It's difficult out there and it's easy to feel down. It's easy to lament how unfair things are because the top 20% of dudes have pussy thrown at them. But what can we do? We make the best versions of ourselves and grab life the the pussy. Here's an instadate I had today from the approach thread. Obviously I'm on a high of some good approaches today but I'm going to calm myself down and not let the outcomes affect my tranquility.

Quote:

Atreus: "who would reject the flood of fortune's gifts?"

Thyestes: "Anyone who has experienced how easily they flow back."

We need the blessing of fortune for success. That said, we don't control fortune and fortune is fickle. All we control is our actions and or will to take action. I will drill this in my head every. single. day.

I had a good day today. This will be long and lots of approaches. The main things are:

- Dress well
- Take care of your own shit.
- Go in as a man. Make strong eye contact but have that smirk going on. Don't be afraid to smile.
- Take action.
- Have fun

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I'll start off with the last approach I did today. I made almost a dozen approaches as I headed into the city. You know what's the worst? The anticipation of approach and your own expectation of failure/success. drill it into our minds that all we can do is our best, we will fail but we will get our asses back up and learn.

So my last set was in the early evening I saw this cute white chick maybe 20. I saw her cross the street and I walked back:

Me: "excuse me, I thought you were cute and I wanted to meet you." Strong eye contact, smile and smirk.

She was hooked. She said "omg I can't believe this. is this real?"

Me: I suppose it isn't. It's all in your imagination.

Her: I can't believe this. No one does this in this city.

Me: "Ya, it is pretty random. It's better than tinder though and you know why?"

Her: "why?"

me: "arthritis in the thumbs. too much swiping."

blah blah blah

Me: "hey, you heading home right now?"

Her: yes

me: I have some time before I meet my friend. Let's go for coffee right now.

Her: "omg let's do it"

we walked a few blocks got some coffee. Didn't have a place to sit so we walked some more and eventually ended up at a park on a bench.

Some funny things were she's a typical brain washed feminist. Disparaged trump, used terms like "misogyny." I told her I have a trip to San Antonio and she asked me why the heck I would go there because they're all "white racists."

I called her out: "Why would you assume that? We make up a story in our heads and label someone to be some sort of bad person based on our own biases and then it perpetuates. lets' not be so judgemental."

I also liked how I kept it fun while mixing it with some stuff that showed off my intellect. She a cow tattoo on her ankle and I asked her what that was about. she asked me to guess so I came up with the most outlandish story I could think of

"I think you were taken to a farm and the handlers said "hey .... you're going to cook your own meal tonight." They gave you a shotgun, and loaded it up for you. You looked it in the eyes and shot it in the head. The tattoo is your way of honoring that cow."

She laughed.

We sat on the park bench and I was really natural. I said what I wanted to say but connected with her. What I loved was the magnetism. When the girl hooks, she sits a little closer. She has a sparkle in her eye. She puts her leg under yours. I eventually made a lame excuse to hold her hand which she called me out on but I rolled with it.

I eventually had to leave and I said let's walk me back to the train. We got some groceries and I teased her about her junk food habits. We were parting ways and I said let's go over to the corner so I can get her number.

I love this. We were against the wall and standing close. I asked her if she had ever gone on a date with an Asian guy and she said she made out with a half asian once. I laughed and said I don't want to hear more of it. Intense eye contact. I said something about kissing an asian guy and she said "you're not kissing me right now!"

I told her "hey i'm not that easy!"

We were parting ways and I hugged her and grazed her ass. She called me out on it. I said "I was only touching your low back!" I went to kiss her on the side lips as a peck. I wasn't going to force it.

She texted me right away and seems kind of needy and crazy. But the practice is awesome.

Takeaways

- The thing is about game, you'll never convert a firm no but if she's a yes, that's where you shine. The advanced guys can convert the luke warm. I'm not there yet.
- She might be crazy. She told me she's a little crazy and she will stick up for herself and all this feminist shit. I repeatedly said "you're not going to murder me right?" "what am i getting myself into?"
- The thing is about kino, I have a decent amount of experience where I don't need to force it. It comes naturally. I let her put her legs close to mind and I meshed in with her. The hand holding was a bit forced but she was already hooked. I didn't go for a firm kiss close because there was no reason to.
- tease but don't be too offensive. tease on stupid outlandish stuff but never make her feel bad. Misinterpret, make it comical.
- Be bold. Be confident. Smile. Eye contact.

She seemed very into me and was even talked about further dates. But like Thyestes said, the flood for fortune will flow back. I'll go on another date if it happens but I loved it. there's something awesome about the dance of seduction. She texted me a few times when I was with my friend but I didn't answer. I texted her at the end of the night saying I had a good time with her and want to see her again and put it for Tues. We'll see what happens.


I got 2 other numbers (which mean nothing) from 2 other good approaches that lasted 10-15 min. I will write about them tomorrow. I'm obviously on a high right now because of small success but I will always need to remind myself that I won't be tied to the outcome but of my will and my ability to impose my will on reality.

[Skank_Hunt]

Feld, by "ruthless streak" I simply meant taking things as far as they can go, leaving nothing on the table. Soft dominance: leading but also keeping in mind a girl's comfort levels. The best naturals are both dominant leaders but also very personable and relaxed. Ultimately you cannot literally "pull" a girl home; she has to go there of her own free will. But many will want to, as long as they are led there in a relaxed manner and not judged for doing so. The invite home shouldn't be "to bang" or anything to do with sex, it should be as casual as possible e.g. listen to X music (really helps if you have some music tastes in common) or watch X film you were talking about, or for this special drink she has to try, or whatever. Whatever bullshit you can come up with. Then when she is in your place letting her settle in, get relaxed, start the drinks/music/movie or whatever, then just kiss her. Kissing leads to more passionate kissing which leads to touching and it "just happened" (at least in the girl's eyes). Tuthmosis has a great first date bang thread which is along the similar lines. It's ruthless but it's also calm, collected and carefully premeditated.

There comes a point where you've done it so many times that it becomes no big deal, and you are genuinely relaxed in the process. Your being so relaxed about it transfers to the girl; she feels genuinely that it is no big deal she is coming to your place for drinks or music or whatever. Then it just "happens". But if you've never done it before, or you're on an extended dry spell (out of practice), it takes determination to see it through as it will feel very forced and artificial.

I agree on the power of the voracious gaze. She doesn't know you're an incel. You could just be a horny bastard who has no shame. This kind of stuff can attract some girls, not so much with others. I don't know whether I am getting less eye contact in public because I am just not extremely attracted to 5s and 6s, or because they just don't like me as much as they used to. I have a better chance of hooking eye contact from a girl who is 7+ and whom I genuinely think is my type. Some "thirst" can be good. I also agree that it's an excellent reframe and not entirely untrue. If you have this desire then rather than lament it at least use it to your advantage as much as you can. The ultimate best use of it is in using raw desire to push you through the waypoints of the first meeting/date to get actual bangs.

[XPQ22]

(02-07-2017 08:38 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

My current logistics are terrible and due to current career obligations which will last for a few more months, I only have minimal amount of time to game and study game a week (I try to do a few approaches whenever I run errands). I realize that it may be a while before I get any action and furthermore, I'm looking for something more than just quick bangs not that I currently have the option.

Don't ever give up the hunt because of poor logistics. There's always a solution to that problem. You think chicks never bring guys back to their own place? Fuck yeah they do, I've done it plenty!

I actually prefer it these days - it's a feature, not a bug. If she's nuts or drunk or puts up a lot of LMR then I can just walk. I don't have to worry about how to get this nuts/drunk/resistant chick the hell out.

The bar, park, or ice cream stand better be within striking distance of her place, or it's no date.

[Captain Gh]

OP, you need to realize that Game is extremely hard... and requires extreme dedication, especially for a non natural! Approaches here & there won't do you any good my friend! If you want to get good at this... there's a price to pay!

And also I always cringe when I hear guys wanting a good girl without wanting meaningless hookups! This kind of morality is part of what's leaving you sexless. I swear girls can literally smell this morality on you... and automatically view you as a judgmental asshole to stay away from... and that's why good guys finish last!

And one thing guys tend to forget... is that in order to be good at game... you actually have to LOVE Gaming. If you despise it... and refuses going the P4P route... then stop Gaming entirely! Doing this will actually soothe you, and help you out. From your initial post, I think your issue is that you actually don't like to Game and dread it.

Back when I was Daygaming Hard, I was going direct to chick at 6:30am! Yeah that's crazy... but that's what dedication & passion make you do; Whatever's necessary! Yeah Gaming gets yoh laid eventually... but Gamjng heavily takes away some of your humanity away from you. Even when extremely happy... I look pissed since I've learned how to keep my Game face regardless of situations.

Guys who responded here about having to take Anti Depressants were not guys who loved Gaming! Stop if you don't enjoy it! Women aren't worth it believe me!

[Dubby]

(02-10-2017 12:16 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:

One thing that I'm convinced of is the following: A woman can sense acutely when a guy hasn't gotten laid in some time

No, I'm 100% sure this is a myth based on personal experience.

If it really bugs you a lot that you haven't had sex in a while, then she may sense that. However, if you don't care, she can't tell.

Just work in living in the moment and not in your head. It then becomes a non-issue.

I agree.

My current dry spell is longer than I'd care to admit, but most girls in my social circle are convinced I get laid regularly. I find it pretty comical actually.

[Rico Ramon]

During this time of no-action, use it as a time to focus just on you- lift weights on a schedule, build your body and mind. when you are busy with a woman or many women, some of the focus on you is taken away because of the focus you are putting on the woman or women in your life.

After my divorce, I was celibate for about a year, best thing I could have done, I focused on all the things I wanted to improve on and learn while working out hard. I didn't want to settle, just to fuck, so I turned down a few women along the way as I sensed their crazy and some didn't meet my physical requirements.

When I did meet some suitable women, it wasn't hard. It was like I was training for the next chapter of my life.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-13-2017 04:17 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

Thank you to everyone. It's difficult out there and it's easy to feel down. It's easy to lament how unfair things are because the top 20% of dudes have pussy thrown at them. But what can we do? We make the best versions of ourselves and grab life the the pussy. Here's an instadate I had today from the approach thread. Obviously I'm on a high of some good approaches today but I'm going to calm myself down and not let the outcomes affect my tranquility.

Quote:

Atreus: "who would reject the flood of fortune's gifts?"

Thyestes: "Anyone who has experienced how easily they flow back."

We need the blessing of fortune for success. That said, we don't control fortune and fortune is fickle. All we control is our actions and or will to take action. I will drill this in my head every. single. day.

I had a good day today. This will be long and lots of approaches. The main things are:

- Dress well
- Take care of your own shit.
- Go in as a man. Make strong eye contact but have that smirk going on. Don't be afraid to smile.
- Take action.
- Have fun

-----------

I'll start off with the last approach I did today. I made almost a dozen approaches as I headed into the city. You know what's the worst? The anticipation of approach and your own expectation of failure/success. drill it into our minds that all we can do is our best, we will fail but we will get our asses back up and learn.

So my last set was in the early evening I saw this cute white chick maybe 20. I saw her cross the street and I walked back:

Me: "excuse me, I thought you were cute and I wanted to meet you." Strong eye contact, smile and smirk.

She was hooked. She said "omg I can't believe this. is this real?"

Me: I suppose it isn't. It's all in your imagination.

Her: I can't believe this. No one does this in this city.

Me: "Ya, it is pretty random. It's better than tinder though and you know why?"

Her: "why?"

me: "arthritis in the thumbs. too much swiping."

blah blah blah

Me: "hey, you heading home right now?"

Her: yes

me: I have some time before I meet my friend. Let's go for coffee right now.

Her: "omg let's do it"

we walked a few blocks got some coffee. Didn't have a place to sit so we walked some more and eventually ended up at a park on a bench.

Some funny things were she's a typical brain washed feminist. Disparaged trump, used terms like "misogyny." I told her I have a trip to San Antonio and she asked me why the heck I would go there because they're all "white racists."

I called her out: "Why would you assume that? We make up a story in our heads and label someone to be some sort of bad person based on our own biases and then it perpetuates. lets' not be so judgemental."

I also liked how I kept it fun while mixing it with some stuff that showed off my intellect. She a cow tattoo on her ankle and I asked her what that was about. she asked me to guess so I came up with the most outlandish story I could think of

"I think you were taken to a farm and the handlers said "hey .... you're going to cook your own meal tonight." They gave you a shotgun, and loaded it up for you. You looked it in the eyes and shot it in the head. The tattoo is your way of honoring that cow."

She laughed.

We sat on the park bench and I was really natural. I said what I wanted to say but connected with her. What I loved was the magnetism. When the girl hooks, she sits a little closer. She has a sparkle in her eye. She puts her leg under yours. I eventually made a lame excuse to hold her hand which she called me out on but I rolled with it.

I eventually had to leave and I said let's walk me back to the train. We got some groceries and I teased her about her junk food habits. We were parting ways and I said let's go over to the corner so I can get her number.

I love this. We were against the wall and standing close. I asked her if she had ever gone on a date with an Asian guy and she said she made out with a half asian once. I laughed and said I don't want to hear more of it. Intense eye contact. I said something about kissing an asian guy and she said "you're not kissing me right now!"

I told her "hey i'm not that easy!"

We were parting ways and I hugged her and grazed her ass. She called me out on it. I said "I was only touching your low back!" I went to kiss her on the side lips as a peck. I wasn't going to force it.

She texted me right away and seems kind of needy and crazy. But the practice is awesome.

Takeaways

- The thing is about game, you'll never convert a firm no but if she's a yes, that's where you shine. The advanced guys can convert the luke warm. I'm not there yet.
- She might be crazy. She told me she's a little crazy and she will stick up for herself and all this feminist shit. I repeatedly said "you're not going to murder me right?" "what am i getting myself into?"
- The thing is about kino, I have a decent amount of experience where I don't need to force it. It comes naturally. I let her put her legs close to mind and I meshed in with her. The hand holding was a bit forced but she was already hooked. I didn't go for a firm kiss close because there was no reason to.
- tease but don't be too offensive. tease on stupid outlandish stuff but never make her feel bad. Misinterpret, make it comical.
- Be bold. Be confident. Smile. Eye contact.

She seemed very into me and was even talked about further dates. But like Thyestes said, the flood for fortune will flow back. I'll go on another date if it happens but I loved it. there's something awesome about the dance of seduction. She texted me a few times when I was with my friend but I didn't answer. I texted her at the end of the night saying I had a good time with her and want to see her again and put it for Tues. We'll see what happens.


I got 2 other numbers (which mean nothing) from 2 other good approaches that lasted 10-15 min. I will write about them tomorrow. I'm obviously on a high right now because of small success but I will always need to remind myself that I won't be tied to the outcome but of my will and my ability to impose my will on reality.

Solid work here BNM. Im more convinced that if you get your logistics right you'll do fine. It really cant be over emphasized

Also strongly suggest you read Tuthmosis' New Recipe For First Date Bangs (In my opinion its one of the few posts that should be required reading on the forum. The concepts in it are tried and true,... and proven. They are applicable to any date (not just first dates)

Play on

[BetaNoMore]

(03-01-2017 07:37 AM)Rico Ramon Wrote:  

During this time of no-action, use it as a time to focus just on you- lift weights on a schedule, build your body and mind. when you are busy with a woman or many women, some of the focus on you is taken away because of the focus you are putting on the woman or women in your life.

After my divorce, I was celibate for about a year, best thing I could have done, I focused on all the things I wanted to improve on and learn while working out hard. I didn't want to settle, just to fuck, so I turned down a few women along the way as I sensed their crazy and some didn't meet my physical requirements.

When I did meet some suitable women, it wasn't hard. It was like I was training for the next chapter of my life.

Ya, I've been spending this past year lifting hard, doing jits hard but it's time to break out of this dry spell. Once my schedule clears up end of april, I'll be looking to game hard at least 10 hrs of day game a week.

[BetaNoMore]

(03-01-2017 02:27 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Solid work here BNM. Im more convinced that if you get your logistics right you'll do fine. It really cant be over emphasized

Also strongly suggest you read Tuthmosis' New Recipe For First Date Bangs (In my opinion its one of the few posts that should be required reading on the forum. The concepts in it are tried and true,... and proven. They are applicable to any date (not just first dates)

Play on

Thanks.

The girl in that report was hooked but I became too desperate trying to make plans over text because I feared that our schedules didn't match up and she immediately did a 180 and canceled our second date.

I also had another date with another chick that went really well which I posted about but then she turned 180 as well. Not sure of the exact reason but 1 possible reason could have been because I did too much making out with her during the end of the date and scared her off because I was doing it from a place of thirst/neediness.

I'll rent something in the downtown area over the summer and game hard. Hopefully I'll get out of this 14 month slump sooner than later.

[asdfk]

Consider befriending some girls with boyfriends. Usually women in relationships miss this horny rage with their boyfriends, whereas a single woman can get this in every nightclub. When you befriended them, never make it a secret that you want to bang them but that you are not going to (for example, because they have a boyfriend, but naming a reason is not necessary). The combination of your horny rage, her craving for it and her ego ("why doesn't he act on his horny rage" will eventually lead to her hooking up with you.

[questor70]

(03-01-2017 09:55 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

The combination of your horny rage, her craving for it and her ego ("why doesn't he act on his horny rage" will eventually lead to her hooking up with you.

And then the cuck will hand your ass back to you when he finds out.

[asdfk]

There is a very low chance of this happening. And if so, there are no guns in Western Europe. If he bangs your door, just don't open it. If he doesn't go away, just call the police. The chance that any of this happens is negligible.

[Robert High Hawk]

I actually went through a somewhat similar dry spell.

If I could pin-point a single cause that helped me get over it: Stop jerking off.

After a point, even if you aren't getting laid you focus a lot on other productive things and that itself feels awesome. There's a reason why monks/preists can lead such contended lives, and it's not because of porn.

That's not to say you will become happily celibate, but that there is zero downside to not jerking off in my opinion. And when the time comes to strike (and it will!) You go for it in ways you would NEVER before.

I even somewhat miss those days actually...

It's not easy, but well worth it. Fair winds and fair seas to you!

[BetaNoMore]

Is it possible that a guy could have a bunch of solid qualities on paper (aside from being asian, which isn't a bad thing, just looked down upon in the west) and do all the right things but go through an extended slump where nothing sticks and no breaks happen?

Is it also possible that you can have solid qualities on paper but there is some intangible characterstic(s) that repel women?

[Mufasa]

Fuck a lessor chick. Maybe even a fatter chick with an amazing ass or titties.



Something easy.
Great scorers just need to see the ball to go in the hole to get hot..

[BetaNoMore]

(03-21-2017 01:27 AM)Mufasa Wrote:  

Fuck a lessor chick. Maybe even a fatter chick with an amazing ass or titties.



Something easy.
Great scorers just need to see the ball to go in the hole to get hot..

Looks like I'll have to start approaching 5s.

P.S., not saying I have great game or that I'm super handsome but I think I hit above avg in multiple categories that matter. A lot of guys with a lot less who do a lot less work are getting more than what I'm getting (nothing).

[Dream Medicine]

(03-21-2017 12:33 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

I'm not sure why the hell I'm struggling so much or where I need to improve. I got RSD Todd's daygame (and will study that once my work schedule clears up). But I've watched a few hotseat things and to be honest, my good sets are comparable to his decent sets. At the very least, being well dressed, in shape (not jacked), not ugly and being able to have a decently fun convo should lead me at least somewhere! But it's not. I wonder if I'm cursed or if I'm paying for my past sins. Or maybe there's just some intangible about me that makes me repulsive to women.

(03-21-2017 12:38 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

Is it possible that a guy could have a bunch of solid qualities on paper (aside from being asian, which isn't a bad thing, just looked down upon in the west) and do all the right things but go through an extended slump where nothing sticks and no breaks happen? Is it also possible that you can have solid qualities on paper but there is some intangible characterstic(s) that repel women?

Good on you for putting in the work as a means to improve your life - I respect the fact that you have been taking a lot of action after posting here and asking for help. Unfortunately, your frustration is still very palpable and the women are almost certainly sensing this too.

As for your question - the answer is definitely 'yes' however the better answer would be 'yes, and in your case you're probably not making much progress because (of these specific reasons)...'

Now, this forum is an awesome resource and you have gotten a lot of good advice so far, no doubt, however you will not get an answer online that can quickly address the supposed intangibles that are specific to you as an individual. Instead:

You need feedback from a game-aware wingman in person.

I am assuming that you don't have a trusted, local wingman, yeah? *Note: 'wingman' here could refer to a guy who actually helps you in your approaches or one who gives you feedback on your fashion, grooming, posture, tone of voice, storytelling skills, vibing, eye contact, body language, weight, etc -- all the things that can be best addressed face-to-face by an RVFer or fellow red-pilled player. The second best option would be to have a chat over the phone or through video conferencing.

For some tips on networking with other players, see here:

** Roosh's important take on why "Your Internet Friends Can’t Duplicate Real-Life Human Connection",
** Similarly - empirical evidence for the importance of having a brotherhood (more on the 'why') "RE: The "Hating Women" Stage" (see point #1),
** More tips from me on how to set up a meet, "RE: Travel Alone or Find a Wing?", and,
** A story from Irish about how fun it can be to have a "Big Guns Meetup".

[BetaNoMore]

Dream Medicine,

Thanks you for your helpful reply.

There are definitely things your list of potential feedback items that I am almost certainly missing the mark on and need correction. And thank you for your list of how to network. I will look over it closely and implement it once my career stuff settles in a month.

I reconnected with a guy who's actually decently well known in my city in the pick up community and is very good with pick up. Him and I will do some day game (not his specialty) but at the same time, I don't want to just be taking value from the guy and asking for handouts. Maybe I'll hire a coach or meet up with someone on the forum if I'm lucky enough but I'm really skeptical of PUA coaches. Maybe I'll buy a recording device and post a few sets on here for some critique.

I too also believe that the frustration is palpable. I'm doing a decent job of hiding it but when you've been in a rut for this long, it seems like you'll never get out of the abyss which probably gives off a further stench of desperation and failure. It's almost like I'm bed ridden due to starvation and muscle wasting and the only thing that can save me is getting food. But I'm too weak to get food and become even more ill.

[lonewolf1992]

One man's heaven is another man's hell.

You can't imagine how badly I've had it to get laid even by being a "7" in my early 20s here in this so called pussy paradise.

My longest dryspell lasted for nearly 2 years. Looking back I realised what killed that dryspell was my "fuck women vibe" (no pun intended) that I developed. I started to care about the things I valued in life more than pussy and gave two fucks about what women thought about my personality, hobbies, and so on. I even let my hair grow. 3 months later I start to get the attention from women. I settled down with a cute girl who gave me good sex for nearly two years, then I fell in love of her and the rest is history. Now I'm here.

Focus on yourself.

[Skank_Hunt]

If this whole "Women are repulsed by depression, failure or negativity in men like the black death" is true, then I'm wondering how I ever pulled anything off, whether in HS, night game, but mostly in day game.

In HS - I was mildly depressed and always stressed. I had to get top grades. I struggled to sleep at night. Instead of parties I would sit indoors and play Blood and Blood 2 listening to fucking Hillary Duff
In EE - I was so shit scared of the foreign environment, and day gaming alone, I had no positivity in me. Everything negative that could happen happened in my head before during and after approaches. But I did modestly well getting 20% numbers, 3 dates, 2 bangs, with modest chicks. One was a 5 (not proud) the others barely 6s. But 6s are a "player"'s fodder in Poland. 7-7.5s are there but they are in very high demand, high maintenance and just generally hard. The girl I missed on the date was the cutest, 6.5.

I remember turning around to the girl (stationary) with nothing in me but "1,2,3-approach", and I just did it. These led to some of the most pleasant interactions with girls I've had in years. Even when the girl was taken or her friends arrived or some other reason. Even at night I felt I could have fucked this fucking beautiful girl 7.3 if she didn't have a BF of 8 years. He was the barman and I was talking to her, stroking her hair in front of him. Inside I am feeling, I hate this environment, I hate the fact that she has a BF like almost every decent polish girl, basically my own version of Biggie Smalls' Suicidal Thoughts.

All I can think of is that I must be a fucking good actor. To get through a woman's "vibe detector" is not easy. A lot of the time my game as a result was "flat" but I figure that was better than pretending to be positive and being incongruent as I didn't have the energy to keep it up. But my "flat" I think came across "chill" which is the opposite of what I felt like inside. It's like all the darkest days of your life descend upon you at times, yet there I am in some mall, chatting to a girl as if life is all roses.

I am convinced I fooled most of them, I didn't even have to fish for IOIs they were that strong.

So while I believe women have instinctual detection skills, there may be limits to these skills. When I game women by cold approach, I almost revert to how I was with girls in highschool. I was stressed but also popular with the girls. The "game" I learn comes on top of this "vibe". My actual feelings are buried deep. Sure, sometimes they come out, especially when I'm emotionally exhausted from hiding how I actually feel. And I can tell when a woman feels that from me, she will be repulsed. But bizarrely I have had times where I am clearly in a bad mood and brooding, frustrated, when a girl has come up to me in a nightclub or where girls at an airport started conversation with me. These are relatively rare occurrences but they have happened.

[Kahler]

OP, you said you do bjj and lifting. From my experience (it may be contrary to folklore knowledge) these aren't bad places for meeting girls. I once did classsical dance lessons, and got one date from it (which ended in nothing), but met my LTR during bjj lessons. Lately I also started muay thai, and got strong IOIs from one 17 years old qt, even though I don't know whether I am the hottest guy in the group (don't think so honestly). I think that maybe girls looking for boyfriend subconciously (or not) go in places where they can meet a lot of guys? Gym is other thing, but you definitely can pull something in MA classes. But of course girl acquired in such a way wouldn't be good for pump & dump for obvious reasons.

[ksbms]

(01-24-2018 12:15 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

If this whole "Women are repulsed by depression, failure or negativity in men like the black death" is true, then I'm wondering how I ever pulled anything off, whether in HS, night game, but mostly in day game.

In HS - I was mildly depressed and always stressed. I had to get top grades. I struggled to sleep at night. Instead of parties I would sit indoors and play Blood and Blood 2 listening to fucking Hillary Duff
In EE - I was so shit scared of the foreign environment, and day gaming alone, I had no positivity in me. Everything negative that could happen happened in my head before during and after approaches. But I did modestly well getting 20% numbers, 3 dates, 2 bangs, with modest chicks. One was a 5 (not proud) the others barely 6s. But 6s are a "player"'s fodder in Poland. 7-7.5s are there but they are in very high demand, high maintenance and just generally hard. The girl I missed on the date was the cutest, 6.5.

I remember turning around to the girl (stationary) with nothing in me but "1,2,3-approach", and I just did it. These led to some of the most pleasant interactions with girls I've had in years. Even when the girl was taken or her friends arrived or some other reason. Even at night I felt I could have fucked this fucking beautiful girl 7.3 if she didn't have a BF of 8 years. He was the barman and I was talking to her, stroking her hair in front of him. Inside I am feeling, I hate this environment, I hate the fact that she has a BF like almost every decent polish girl, basically my own version of Biggie Smalls' Suicidal Thoughts.

All I can think of is that I must be a fucking good actor. To get through a woman's "vibe detector" is not easy. A lot of the time my game as a result was "flat" but I figure that was better than pretending to be positive and being incongruent as I didn't have the energy to keep it up. But my "flat" I think came across "chill" which is the opposite of what I felt like inside. It's like all the darkest days of your life descend upon you at times, yet there I am in some mall, chatting to a girl as if life is all roses.

I am convinced I fooled most of them, I didn't even have to fish for IOIs they were that strong.

So while I believe women have instinctual detection skills, there may be limits to these skills. When I game women by cold approach, I almost revert to how I was with girls in highschool. I was stressed but also popular with the girls. The "game" I learn comes on top of this "vibe". My actual feelings are buried deep. Sure, sometimes they come out, especially when I'm emotionally exhausted from hiding how I actually feel. And I can tell when a woman feels that from me, she will be repulsed. But bizarrely I have had times where I am clearly in a bad mood and brooding, frustrated, when a girl has come up to me in a nightclub or where girls at an airport started conversation with me. These are relatively rare occurrences but they have happened.

I know, it's tough - especially with girls these era inundated with dick offer via online, they self-perceived attractiveness skyrockets. I'm in Scotland and see on the regular guys looks 6-8 walking hand in hand with a girl clearly 2 points lower. Girls I wouldn't imagine touching! But what can you do? Set up a different stall - again, I think it's Krauser (yeah, I like him as you've noticed) who came up with the idea of selling himself as r selected, that is fuckboy, not a boyfriend. With the former it's much easier, for you don't compete to be a girl's boyfriend, you are her side dish and she keeps the boyfriend.

Read and understand the girls' mindset - there's a reason that romance novels and 50 Shades of Gray shit is so popular with girls - they do not get to experience these things most of the time. Be unapologetic about your sexual needs (most men have no idea what it actually means and how to express it through years of social conditioning) and express them in the approach. Learn how to switch on girls' excitement mode through offering them adventure and no strings attached sex. Be a badboy who infuses their boring lives with excitement. You need to become congruent with this image and truly believe it, live, breath it and be honest with yourself and a girl what you're selling.a

[Skank_Hunt]

@ksbms -- that's the thing. I know it's how Krauser does it, but his full on 100% adventure sex player positioning is not for everyone. I'm somewhere in the middle -- I like to live in a place that I like, have a rotation of 2-3 nice girls, and have deep, intimate connection, even if I created it and I know it's a story that I'm weaving, along with degenerate hot sex of course, until I am apathetic to them. 1 year is the average for me. I do not see how men stay in 5, 10, year relationships let alone 30 year marriages. Players like Krauser seem to be like, "She's hot, I'd love to fuck the shit out of her." I am the same when I see a girl, but it's more like "fuck her about 100 times doing all sorts of crazy shit" plus the emotional intimacy that you can get with some girls. Even if girls are dumb or whatever, men still need that energy, so I absorb as much of that as I can; as much as I get the carnal pleasures, I like going to places and having a girl I think is sweet on my arm.

The bad boy who infuses her boring life with excitement can still be her "boyfriend" (as she would class it, even though I know it's a year max). But yeah, like 90% of the high quality have these annoying things called BFs and unlike in the west where girls are more likely to stray if you run good game, the high quality in EE seem stubbornly loyal.

I mean I tried for an hour, this girl was into me but right in front of her bartender BF. She had a cocktail made in front of her but didn't take a sip as she was talking to me. She was engaging as much as me conversationally and incidental touches to make a point but she couldn't and was fresh from the village so her touching equivalent of mine had I been so lucky would have been probably rubbing my dick above my jeans for a few seconds. Great. I was touching her where I shouldn't out of pure desire as in hindsight I could have well got punched, just her hair and curves. I knew I couldn't be her BF, but even for the "adventure sex", either I could have done something differently but she was at the bar right next to her BF like a loyal puppy the whole night. Either way, adventure sex with her one time would be a great story to put in a memoir or four (hint, hint), but by lightyears a distant second to her leaving her BF and being mine for a year. He can have her back after that.

I have been to Scotland once. Some of the hills and country homes and estates among the hills are beautiful, and some top class old buildings in Edinburgh. But the girls on average there were worse than the rest of the UK, and that's saying something. Not saying there weren't pretty girls in Scotland, but it's more like they are the exception rather than the rule. Of the girls who were pretty, I saw one skinny tall leggy redhead in yoga pants with very high cheekbones that were model-like. Not necessarily the prettiest, but model type face and body. Other than that, I can remember only a few times when I turned my head the whole trip, but can't remember their faces. It must be slim, slim pickings over there game-wise.