[DigitalNomad]

@TTT got nothing on that either. Only be to Thailand but I had no game back then to speak of. Also not into asians at all.

@sidney Crosby- yup, some cuckhold shit haha.

Funny note to add, this girl from the booth last night that saw me making out with the girls just facetimed me in the airport lounge and was showing off all her goods. Missed opportunity to sleep with my first black girl

[thebassist]

Mind expanding on you enthusiasm for Tampa?

[Skank_Hunt]

(05-01-2017 10:57 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

It was 4 nights not 2 haha! Basically one pool and one night pull each day. Also full disclosure, I had a hookup who was dropping us in the best booths every day and every night with bottles and what not for like $100 per person. Like front and center, 25k Cabanas for tips only. We would just point to girls, curl your finger in your direction and they'd come like obedient dogs. Or send the security guard to bring em over. The sad thing is I probably left like 4-5 on the table due to various reasons. It's Vegas, if you put in half an effort it's 24/7 opportunities. There was one point where my buddy was making out with a bride to be while wearing her bachelorette sash haha!

Another think with this forum is people spend too much time fucking around on tinder. I'll take the freebies but real life is just as easy if you make the approaches. I probably only approach like 3 girls a night, lots of times only 1 and it tends to work out. I literally approached 5 girls last night, slept with 3, one was a prostitute and the 5th one was the friend I was making out with that wasn't down for the threesome. Girls love getting approached. If you do enough approaches, you just know that look when she's down. She kind of slowly looks up, says a shy hey, with a smile on her face and from there it's just logistics.

One other thing to note is that you can literally tell a girl anything. Most these girls new all my stories before we went back. Girls would rather you just say it how it is than keep it classy. My buddy here is over 1,000 girls lifetime. He told that to the girls we were with and they just got more into him after that.

@skankhunt I'll send a DM with one of the ones I called and 8 and you can let me know if my standards need adjusting

Thanks for the pic. It's really hard to tell with the amount of makeup. If I were reporting a lay of her for myself if she had a nice body as well I would call her a 7 but other guys here might have different scales and call her a 6, 7, 8, 9 or "solid 10" depending on how they rate girls. Definitely if she has a nice body, gets dolled up and puts on a nice dress and heels she is a real hottie. A lot of these girls look really average (like a 5-6) without makeup so it's really difficult based on one girl. It's easier when you're friends with guys IRL and go out consistently and see the girls they're rating constantly so you get to know how they rate girls compared to you. Especially in the day when girls don't have so much makeup on.

But debating whether 7 or 8 is not important compared to the results you're getting. Same as whether you're there for 2 days or 4 days. Adrenaline put it well, you make a bang look like a handshake with these girls. However good you are at game, some girls just put up a hell of a lot of resistance, and girls are experts at playing games from the approach right to the close, even if it's not outright resistance. It's sometimes plain sailing, but unless you're in the Philippines/other SEA there is so much shit that can pop up, yeah logistics a major one but so much other shit. You say that you bang anywhere from 1 in 3 to 1 in 1 approaches every day, and you do it consistently, those are SEA/fame game numbers. I'm just trying to figure out how the hell you do it, to see if there's anything I can learn from you and apply, but I honestly can't because it just seems like you get drunk, you get a shot or two with the girl you want and then the girl bangs you as easily as giving you a handshake. Boyfriend/fiance/husband/general sexual unavailability be damned. I find that whatever I do, a good % of girls just are not available, not just for me but for anyone except maybe famous dudes, and even these guys get their fair share of rejections. You defy all this. You make the hard grind of cold approach pickup look like Justin Bieber picking out fans at a concert to fuck backstage.

I know some girls are just easy, some girls are available to cheat, some girls haven't had sex in 3 months etc., or whatever other factors make it easy to bang them, but more are unavailable at any given time than available.

The only thing I can think of is you know by instinct looking at a girl what attributes she has that will make her bang you so easily, based on your past successes. For example a certain look, style, body language, before you even approach her. You mentioned when you do approach how you can tell she is DTF, but I can only get this to work sometimes. Sometimes the exact same IOIs/whatever you want to call them on the approach end up in totally different outcomes, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Just the random nature of the game.

I'm not saying the answer is spam approaching but even the pros have to put in decent numbers to get anything out of cold approach. Roosh in an older post says he was doing around 5% (1 in 20) out in DC back in the day. That's a very good rate. You're talking about 1 in 3, or even more, approaching one girl only in the night. Plus you have the stamina and desire to keep it going, it's not like you just got lucky a couple times, you got what, around 50 new notches this year? Sorry if I sound skeptical, I've just never seen this before even in the best naturals I've ever known in my life. I believe in game but a big part of that game of cold approach is the necessity to put in sometimes big numbers of approaches, and the inevitable many nights where it just doesn't go well at all... the reality that a lot of girls are just going to be difficult, frustration, gameplaying, near misses, and all the shit even the best players go through. There's very little information about how you're doing what you're doing. That's why I said you should write a book on what exactly it is that you do, completely up to you though.

The ease with which you get girls to fuck is like you have a mixture of fame and social circle familiarity/comfort and other worldly good luck, it doesn't read like a random, regular guy with good game approaching girls cold. The only time girls have come on to me to fuck that quickly has been in the minority of cases where the girl just really wanted some dick and I was there at the right time with the right logistics (cold approach) OR if she was already in my social circle, knew me as a cool guy and had seen me with a girlfriend/other girls etc. To find the girls in cold approach who are very very available I'd have to sort through a lot of shit sets and to get a 7-8 girl to throw herself at me I'd have to go to the trouble of building and maintaining a strong social circle where I'm well known by the girls in it. I could not find a 7 in any youth hostel I've been to let alone any girl in one of these hostels who would let me fuck her as easy as a handshake. Same for nightclubs. I'm open to the possibility that your game is just lightyears ahead of mine and there's nothing I can do about it. But that's the same reason why I guess I'm digging for information - self-improvement. My biggest improvements in cold approach game (mostly with vibe and with closing) occurred when I went out with and observed naturals with 200+ counts like yours. I had to fill in the blanks a lot though because a lot of the time they did things by instinct and couldn't really explain it logically to someone like me if I asked.

[Jagnum]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[stefpdt]

Wtf how am I just now reading this thread. This is epic.

I could be off here...but to me, it seems like DigitalNomad is just a non-needy guy who's taking advantage of the "upward cycle" that anyone can get into when it comes to game, business, life etc.

He has a successful online business, so his financial needs are met.

He's pulling new girls regularly, so that adds to the attraction (new girls always sniff out this vibe, I think it's a very primal sort of thing).

OP is basically in a super upward spiral of life and it just keeps going.

[DigitalNomad]

@thebassist - Just between the quality of those UF, UCF and FSU grads, the condensed nightlife and the perfect all year weather it has a good feel. There are beaches, great brunch scene which turns into Sunday Funday, and a young overall vibe to the city that distinguishes it from the other cities in Florida.

(05-02-2017 04:08 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

Thanks for the pic. It's really hard to tell with the amount of makeup. If I were reporting a lay of her for myself if she had a nice body as well I would call her a 7 but other guys here might have different scales and call her a 6, 7, 8, 9 or "solid 10" depending on how they rate girls. Definitely if she has a nice body, gets dolled up and puts on a nice dress and heels she is a real hottie. A lot of these girls look really average (like a 5-6) without makeup so it's really difficult based on one girl. It's easier when you're friends with guys IRL and go out consistently and see the girls they're rating constantly so you get to know how they rate girls compared to you. Especially in the day when girls don't have so much makeup on.

Fair, and agreed that there would be that range based on someones tastes. I like tall blondes with blue eyes and high cheek bones so she was checking off all those marks.

(05-02-2017 04:08 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

I'm not saying the answer is spam approaching but even the pros have to put in decent numbers to get anything out of cold approach. Roosh in an older post says he was doing around 5% (1 in 20) out in DC back in the day. That's a very good rate. You're talking about 1 in 3, or even more, approaching one girl only in the night. Plus you have the stamina and desire to keep it going, it's not like you just got lucky a couple times, you got what, around 50 new notches this year? Sorry if I sound skeptical, I've just never seen this before even in the best naturals I've ever known in my life. I believe in game but a big part of that game of cold approach is the necessity to put in sometimes big numbers of approaches, and the inevitable many nights where it just doesn't go well at all... the reality that a lot of girls are just going to be difficult, frustration, gameplaying, near misses, and all the shit even the best players go through. There's very little information about how you're doing what you're doing. That's why I said you should write a book on what exactly it is that you do, completely up to you though.

I do really well with girls that are alone at the club. I like the "who are you with, you just kind of look awkward standing here alone" line. I can't remember which youtube PUA guy it was that had a video on just taking it to the next step. Won't come back, go to the park. Or walk her home. The really quick ones - like the elevator girl that was 5 minutes from meet to naked I'd just call her on it and be like "I can't believe you actually agreed to come back with me." I really wish I had more input, but a lot of it is non-verbal. I read a book called What Every Body is Saying that was helpful. Just simple things like thumbs always showing with your hands in your pockets. Hold a beer at your waist instead of chest, etc. Eye contact and a shy smile.

My friends are baffled by it to sometimes and they watch it happen. I had a girl in Argentina tell me in some spanish mistranslation something along the lines I just had a sexual vibe like a snake whatever that means.

I'll walk up to a group and say something like y'all are sexy why aren't any guys talking to you yet.

(05-02-2017 04:08 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

The ease with which you get girls to fuck is like you have a mixture of fame and social circle familiarity/comfort and other worldly good luck, it doesn't read like a random, regular guy with good game approaching girls cold. The only time girls have come on to me to fuck that quickly has been in the minority of cases where the girl just really wanted some dick and I was there at the right time with the right logistics (cold approach) OR if she was already in my social circle, knew me as a cool guy and had seen me with a girlfriend/other girls etc. To find the girls in cold approach who are very very available I'd have to sort through a lot of shit sets and to get a 7-8 girl to throw herself at me I'd have to go to the trouble of building and maintaining a strong social circle where I'm well known by the girls in it. I could not find a 7 in any youth hostel I've been to let alone any girl in one of these hostels who would let me fuck her as easy as a handshake. Same for nightclubs. I'm open to the possibility that your game is just lightyears ahead of mine and there's nothing I can do about it. But that's the same reason why I guess I'm digging for information - self-improvement. My biggest improvements in cold approach game (mostly with vibe and with closing) occurred when I went out with and observed naturals with 200+ counts like yours. I had to fill in the blanks a lot though because a lot of the time they did things by instinct and couldn't really explain it logically to someone like me if I asked.

This past weekend was literally fame and social circle. You couldn't avoid us. We had girls lined up like a real life left or right swipe as to if they could get in the booth. Rolled into Encore with a group of 6 guys with matching shirts and 34 girls, marched through everyone and up to our cabana. I will say that a girl I met in Nashville and saw a 2nd night said her friends though it was weird I came out alone. I just played it off like it was normal, gave her friends shit for thinking that, and she was making out with me a few minutes later.

My quickest pulls though are basically always that last minute approach - one last approach. I can't find the link at the moment but I remember reading a guys report about being tired and wanting to call in a night, but One Last Approach or One Last Drink and he ended up with Miss Cuba... that stuck for me.



I found a youtube series today where I'd say the guy has pretty similar game to me. Watch if you can tell when these girls are into him. It's normally really quickly. I guarantee he cleans up with a bunch of these girls.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKhK5Ys...NEVSAu0yIA

He says some pretty overtly sexual stuff at times and the girls just dig it up.

This is another channel I think is someone similar. He could instadate so many of these girls and probably more pretty quickly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1aGblcyfA
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I think my travels are a pretty quick turn on for the girls, as well as owning a business online. Not celebrity level but definitely distinguishes me. My instagram is pretty effective for DHV. Also to @stefpdt points, I think there is a 6th sense that the girls can pick up on when you are having success. Anyway off to a Tinder date now. Here was that interaction on tinder. Her initial question is in reference to my profile still being in Vegas, but I have my yearly itinerary in my profile.

"So, you're going to Toronto this month?"
me- "I'll be there the next two weeks. We going for a drink?"
"Sounds like it"
me- "Free night this week? And #?"
"Tomorrow and (phone number)
me- "This was efficient, I'll text you know"
"I'm all about that, I like how direct you are"

[DigitalNomad]

Well tinder date went about as well as expected given the short exchange.

+1 6/10. Really cute face bit she had that toronto winter weight on, tinder can be deceiving post Canada winter. 28 y/o. +50

Slept all day today after no sleep on my cold ass red eye from Vegas. Drank like 2 gallons of water, had a slice of pizza and headed off to the date.

We showed up to a beer bar on $5 per beer night, but she just wanted red wine, at 13.50 a glass haha. First indicator aside from constant hair touching and smiling, I don't care what wine, just red wine. She was also very yessey if that's a thing. We switched to a fun bar that has bocci ball after she told me she plays that sometimes with her family. It was quietish but decently busy for a Tuesday night. Kissed quick on the way in, then bet a round on bocci, first to 21. Starred making sex references to the bocci, all 4, on top. She was losing bad so she went to buy another drink and proposed a reset of the bet with different stakes, but she was as a bit shy to say what her idea was.

I told her if I win her next glass of wine is at my house. She either comes back or she comes back haha. Well she lost, and finishing the drinks she started telling me of her adventures. She goes to sex clubs and what not. Showed her my vegas videos and told her all the stories. She started sending me nudes in the cab ride, including a video of her masturbating before the date.

Get back to my place and disaster strikes. First off there is a giant water leak on the floor below me, luckily below. Fire fighters filling the lobby. Then my ex, who lives downstairs, and who I haven't seen in 4 months, prounces me from behind. I just start cracking up and say hi, she says she's taking me to dinner for my bday next week. Drop her off on the lower floor and go upstairs.I poured wine, we took a shot of tequila in my new South America shot glasses and it was game over. Back out with my friend now haha.

Also she mentioned if I invite her to my bday she'd try to get some girls there on board for a 3 or 4 some. Done.

[NextStop100]

Sounds like you could have slept with her without the date. Do you feel you wasted your time?

[DigitalNomad]

(05-02-2017 11:52 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  

Sounds like you could have slept with her without the date. Do you feel you wasted your time?

If I would have told her to come over she probably would have yes. Actually never done that, but she split drinks with me and we had a fun night with some good beers so I don't regret it.

Also based on my previous 5 days I don't know I could have even made much happen without a few drinks and getting to know her a bit.

[DigitalNomad]

So this is the kind of post that Toronto haters will start to doubt, but whatever.

Went to a CS meeting yesterday. Lots of people, maybe like 3 6's. It was next to my house so I didn't really care. One of the 6s thought she was like a 7.5, but she was a lawyer so bonus points. We hit it off a bit, cockblocked another guy who was probably better looking, definitely better dressed, but beta as hell. He left after asking her "so is it alright if I keep in touch with you." We went to another bar for a drink, made out, and she said she wouldn't fuck me because I was leaving in a few days so what's the point. I told her she's busy anyway, I'll be back every 6 weeks so she can get her nut off every time I'm back and work in between. She said that might be able to work and got my number to keep in touch. I'll give it 50/50.

This is where the digitalnomad kind of story starts. Seriously can't explain it but I'll give the details.

Lay 51, 7.5/10, 20 years old. Boobs so perky I thought they were fake, but no, just 9 years younger than me.

So the night begins after an amazing 5 course, 7 beer, 35USD dinner at a local restaurant. My friends bailed, I went alone and had a great time. I went to one of the 2 good Toronto options on Thursday nights, Gracey O'Malleys. I honestly can't name many places with the quality of bra-less, cleavage-bearing sexy, and easy, girls as this. No effort and we had girls making approaches after a very slight encouragement. Albeit they were all 19-22, but is that a problem? No, perfect. Between my friends and I we had 2 hot serbians, 2 armenian sisters, bunch of local girls. By closing time I had 3 makeouts, 6 instagrams, 2 complete shutdowns, but absolutely nothing on the burner. Walked out to the terrible cold rainy weather and my friends called a cab. Figured I have enough contacts I could make something work but was about to write the night off. Except I know better and if you try to pick up inside Gracey's you might succeed, but best chance is the street at the end of the night.

A group of three girls was on the corner and 2 of them took off across the street with 2 guys. One, by far the hottest, stayed, I approached and asked how her night was. Said her friends were ditching her and we should do a drink. She countered with she has an 11:30 train to Montreal the next morning. I said I'd have her back by 9 and motioned towards the cab. Even under my standards, considering the girl I was looking at, I thought I had no chance in hell. She said yes, we got in the cab, and went on our way. Seriously unexpected. Did the name introduction, held hands a bit but nothing too serious. Talked about my record collection, she accused me of being a hipster. Got her history, Calgary, to Toronto, to Montreal, to Student in southern Ontario. Got to my place, still expecting her to bail but she came upstairs. I offered either Whiskey or Tequila, pulled out two wrapped shot glasses from my trip (luckily two really cool ones), and she chose Ballentine's so we did that. My heart was kind of pumping because I still didn't think this was actually going to happen. Motioned towards her, said kiss me and finally got the first kiss after that. Guess she wasn't a tease after all. I cold-read her and said that while her friends were the crazy ones at the club, they normally went home alone. And while she was mother hen at the club, she was actually the freak. She didn't argue.

Her friend gave her 45 minutes to be home, and since we were on that side of the town she had 30 minutes to spare. I figured I had an hour at least. I flipped over on the couch and motioned her towards me. She said it was uncomfortable so we flipped over and I started teasing her a bit. Pulled off pants and panties at the same time, teased more and said lets go to my bed. Obviously game over at that point. We banged for like 20 minutes then chatted for 20 minutes more about life, family, jobs, majors etc.

Her friends were blowing up her phone so I got her an uber home and parted ways. Could definitely have done another night with her though.

If I didn't fuck her myself I'd think I was lying. Went down to my friends apartment and showed him an unsent snapchat of us in the apartment because he didn't believe me at all haha.

[Prince Charming]

(05-05-2017 03:43 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

If I didn't fuck her myself I'd think I was lying.

You remind me a lot of my first wing in Toronto. He banged some 100+ girls his first year in the community. 10 second club pulls, getting girls in taxis home after talking to them for 30seconds on the street was the norm. Based on your whatsapp pic you guys look very similar as well. Maybe you two have the same dad lol

[rishboy77]

DN - great story.

Here after hours it's known as street meat...and it refer's to more then the hot dogs on the grill late at night.

I rarely go much in the city as I'm nearly 20 years older then you but I have some bangs from from years ago from such a strategy and luck too...mind you most girls out that late are either drunk or high or a combination of both so that certainly helps too but leaves open the chance of a last min flake too.

[Skank_Hunt]

DigitalNomad - thanks for clarifying.

I'm relieved I'm not going insane when I see your results from the Vegas trip and compare them to mine, in the sense that my understanding and experience of cold approach in a way told me there was something more than just plain cold approach there.

I didn't get much from those videos apart from the two guys are tall, good looking, calm and are chill. The dude who was doing day approaches on the college campus could have instadated a few of the girls, sure, but as for getting the bang straight after, sober, in the cold light of day? I've tried to push daygame instadates to that point but it's just logistics and sobriety that get in the way. Girls have classes/work/friends to meet and they are completely sober.

This leads on to my main questions. From all the successes you have written about, it seems your best game is done on girls who are 1) Drunk and 2) Sluts and 3) Have free time (i.e. are partying/having fun) Is this a fair assumption?

I say drunk because your MO is more nightgame drunk momentum pulls of carefully selected sluts you can tell there's a good chance of being DTF and very quickly. It doesn't have to be a night club or bar per se, it can be a party hostel as you've mentioned where the girls "know what they're signing up for" or it can be a random drunk girl on the street in Toronto ("gutter game"). And I say sluts in particular because when they're young in the carousel riding phase, especially western girls, the more men they bang the less emotional significance they attach to sex. Your girls put out very, very quickly and easily, even when compared to the average western girl who is far from innocent either. The major sluts may realize they have fucked up their bodies and minds later on in life but when young, partying and riding the carousel these western girls are just "YOLO". You show up with alcohol and tight logistics, be chill, don't fuck things up, escalate smoothly and you've got it. You like to party, are suited to the party lifestyle drinking heavily (no hangovers!) so that's your ideal MO. I know you linked to that video to the guy doing day approaches, but I assume it's his overall vibe not actually daygame that you're referring to? For instance I cannot imagine you (or anyone except famous) pulling such brilliant numbers in cold approach daygame even if you get some girls on instant dates. e.g. if you are forced to take numbers, you will get flaked a great % of times like all of us, even the pros. That cuts at least 50% of the prospects out immediately. Then there's getting them out, and closing. In daygame you just don't have the things that make you so effective: 1) alcohol in huge amounts, 2) girls on the really slutty extreme who have had so much dick they regard sex as a fun activity/absolute freaks on holiday and 3) logistics where the girl has literally nothing else to do but party. Please correct me if I am wrong in any way and especially if you do "traditional" day game.

Feminists would go crazy at the suggestion that without alcohol most of the girls wouldn't have put out but the alcohol only removes barriers to what the girls already want to do deep down. I have had a few completely sober first date pulls in my life and even the girls who I know were sluts were nervous. One or two had the confident "it's only sex" attitude but the others you could tell could have gone the other way and not put out because of anxiety and inhibitions. For the sake of equality you also seem to drink a lot of alcohol when picking up these girls, sometimes to the point of not being able to remember clearly WTF happened. It seems to serve as a MAJOR social lubricant for both you and the girls you meet and bang, on the other hand I cannot drink alcohol as I get terrible hangovers to the point where I feel like I have mildly poisoned myself after only one or two beers the night before.

You on the other hand don't get hangovers, jet lag and you only need 4 hours sleep per night. I am fucking jealous. I've only known two guys in person who were the same, and both were 200+ naturals. I think there is a correlation there somewhere. They are both very positive people and didn't seem to "notice" rejections just like 10 beers the night before wouldn't affect them. When I went out with these guys, their energy was incredible, the subcommunications/sexual but positive vibe from them as you mentioned, and when they got rejected it was almost a reaction of "there must be something wrong with that girl but I cannot be bothered to find out" or just "LOL". And when they found a girl they were lethal in closing. Had logistics sorted, smooth, masculine but also considerate etc. But the nights where they went 1 for 1 were the exception not the rule, even 1 for 3 was uncommon. They would have to approach anywhere from 3-10 sets, typically, sometimes more, occasionally less than 3. This is night game. In day game they would do well with their vibe etc., but they couldn't avoid the flakes and like most of the pros banged about 10-15% of the numbers they got, and they got numbers about 30-40% of the time which is a really good rate from a stone cold day approach. So maybe from daygame anywhere from 1 in 20 to 1 in 30 they might bang, but nightgame they could bang almost every night because of alcohol, logistics, and they had a sixth sense for picking out the biggest sluts who were DTF that night. They would also do gutter game a lot and got 5 minute blow jobs in back alleys, stuff like that. They didn't like daygame because for them it was too slow, they preferred to party and drink, and they liked easy hot sluts. If a girl had a 3 date rule and was rigid in it, they would be a slave to that and this type of stuff from the "good girls" pissed them off, which is understandable when you're used to fast and easy sex. How similar would you say you are to these guys?

You said that your results depend on the "last approach", and I definitely have experience of that, but any successes I got from them were after long strings of sets that went nowhere. Sort of to the point where the last thing that I felt like doing was going up to a girl on her own on the street after the bar had closed, but it does work. The part that doesn't match my experience is where you say you only approach one girl or maybe three per night. If you approach one girl, and it's the "one last approach", then she is the first and last. The last approach thing for me is after about 10-20 sets bombed and THEN the "one last approach" comes through out of nowhere, sometimes with the hottest girl I've approached all night, which is yet another mindfuck. Like getting blown out by 5s and 6s all night but approaching a stunning 8 and success. Do you ever have nights like this or do you maintain your superhuman conversion rates consistently? Do you have any advice on these quick/drunk/next to no comfort pulls? Especially what signs to look for in girls who are genuinely down for that? I always try to build some rapport but from reading the speed of your meet to sex I feel like I am missing a shortcut. Because, to be honest, I really hate getting to know a girl I just want to bang, it gets annoying because they're young, dumb, and kinda all the same. EE/SA and SEA girls are more tolerable, but they are still boring and I don't have the luxury of avoiding american chicks for a few years yet.

Sorry for the length of post but your travels have been quite eventful to say the least so I did condense my comments and questions as much as I could. Like many reading this thread I find it incredible so hopefully it will help them too. And by the way I predicted the street pull. "Toronto difficult to pull? He's going to walk up to a hot girl, ask her to come home for a shot, then bang her within like 10 minutes." It does make me think of all the times in bars and clubs when I have had girls compliant and I think in a fair % of them I could have pushed it further all the way to the bang, pretty quickly, if I had the balls. I wish I knew 10 years ago what I know now.

[TripleG]

Looks like Vinny has some serious competition or you may be the forums greatest (non celebrity) player. Pulling multiple girls every night in some of the worlds most difficult cities (Toronto) is hard to believe. If i were a bit younger id buy you a drink just to learn some of these game lessons of night-game.

[DigitalNomad]

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

I didn't get much from those videos apart from the two guys are tall, good looking, calm and are chill. The dude who was doing day approaches on the college campus could have instadated a few of the girls, sure, but as for getting the bang straight after, sober, in the cold light of day? I've tried to push daygame instadates to that point but it's just logistics and sobriety that get in the way. Girls have classes/work/friends to meet and they are completely sober.

Go beyond the looks, while that helps, I am referring more the the conversation. Funny, confident, light hearted, and a good mix of inappropriate sex jokes that they can pull off due to the mix of previously mentioned traits.

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

This leads on to my main questions. From all the successes you have written about, it seems your best game is done on girls who are 1) Drunk and 2) Sluts and 3) Have free time (i.e. are partying/having fun) Is this a fair assumption?
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In daygame you just don't have the things that make you so effective: 1) alcohol in huge amounts, 2) girls on the really slutty extreme who have had so much dick they regard sex as a fun activity/absolute freaks on holiday and 3) logistics where the girl has literally nothing else to do but party. Please correct me if I am wrong in any way and especially if you do "traditional" day game.

I'm definitely not claiming to be Vinny, what he does on such a consisent basis is much harder. For me, traveling the way I am, its fun for me to go out and night and pull that way, and yes it's easier when the alcohol is flowing. That said I do get day game pulls, the story just ends up being that of alcohol because I take them out for drinks. I don't think they are less slutty because they are out during the day time, most girls will go to bed with you if you push the right buttons.

I normally take the conversation sexual at some point (after drinks) and will ask when the last time they had sex was. Sometimes it's over a year. You need to have some good confidence and framing to pull this off because she is going to ask you back. I'll say yesterday if that's the case and play it pretty nonchalant. Keep in mind if she says yesterday, you can't flinch or it ruins the whole careless vibe you've set.

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

For the sake of equality you also seem to drink a lot of alcohol when picking up these girls, sometimes to the point of not being able to remember clearly WTF happened. It seems to serve as a MAJOR social lubricant for both you and the girls you meet and bang, on the other hand I cannot drink alcohol as I get terrible hangovers to the point where I feel like I have mildly poisoned myself after only one or two beers the night before.

Haha ideally I avoid those situations but when we start at 10:30am in Vegas and don't eat all day, shit happens. When I go get a shot with a girl, the goal is as much to separate us from our respective groups as it is to act as a social lubricant.

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

You on the other hand don't get hangovers, jet lag and you only need 4 hours sleep per night. I am fucking jealous. I've only known two guys in person who were the same, and both were 200+ naturals. I think there is a correlation there somewhere. They are both very positive people and didn't seem to "notice" rejections just like 10 beers the night before wouldn't affect them. When I went out with these guys, their energy was incredible, the subcommunications/sexual but positive vibe from them as you mentioned, and when they got rejected it was almost a reaction of "there must be something wrong with that girl but I cannot be bothered to find out" or just "LOL". And when they found a girl they were lethal in closing. Had logistics sorted, smooth, masculine but also considerate etc. But the nights where they went 1 for 1 were the exception not the rule, even 1 for 3 was uncommon. They would have to approach anywhere from 3-10 sets, typically, sometimes more, occasionally less than 3. This is night game. In day game they would do well with their vibe etc., but they couldn't avoid the flakes and like most of the pros banged about 10-15% of the numbers they got, and they got numbers about 30-40% of the time which is a really good rate from a stone cold day approach. So maybe from daygame anywhere from 1 in 20 to 1 in 30 they might bang, but nightgame they could bang almost every night because of alcohol, logistics, and they had a sixth sense for picking out the biggest sluts who were DTF that night. They would also do gutter game a lot and got 5 minute blow jobs in back alleys, stuff like that. They didn't like daygame because for them it was too slow, they preferred to party and drink, and they liked easy hot sluts. If a girl had a 3 date rule and was rigid in it, they would be a slave to that and this type of stuff from the "good girls" pissed them off, which is understandable when you're used to fast and easy sex. How similar would you say you are to these guys?

Sounds accurate haha. I'm fine with 3 date, I didn't survive Ukraine after all. She's gotta be pretty worth it though (see story from Brazil about my polish girl I waited 3 days and skipped a flight for), so that would be the only part I'd disagree with. I think the correlation would come in that we are able to consistently go out, learn, and experience the crazy situations and come to recognize the subtle, subconscious cues.

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

You said that your results depend on the "last approach", and I definitely have experience of that, but any successes I got from them were after long strings of sets that went nowhere. Sort of to the point where the last thing that I felt like doing was going up to a girl on her own on the street after the bar had closed, but it does work. The part that doesn't match my experience is where you say you only approach one girl or maybe three per night. If you approach one girl, and it's the "one last approach", then she is the first and last. The last approach thing for me is after about 10-20 sets bombed and THEN the "one last approach" comes through out of nowhere, sometimes with the hottest girl I've approached all night, which is yet another mindfuck. Like getting blown out by 5s and 6s all night but approaching a stunning 8 and success. Do you ever have nights like this or do you maintain your superhuman conversion rates consistently? Do you have any advice on these quick/drunk/next to no comfort pulls? Especially what signs to look for in girls who are genuinely down for that? I always try to build some rapport but from reading the speed of your meet to sex I feel like I am missing a shortcut. Because, to be honest, I really hate getting to know a girl I just want to bang, it gets annoying because they're young, dumb, and kinda all the same. EE/SA and SEA girls are more tolerable, but they are still boring and I don't have the luxury of avoiding american chicks for a few years yet.

*A lot of times I only approach one or 3. It really depends on the place. The bar I was at Thursday was a shit show. My friend who is visiting described as one of the craziest bars he's been to just due to the mayhem and a hair pulling girl fight. There you aren't pulling the first approach of the night, too many people, too much dancing, gotta ride out the night and wait for closer to last call. More than 10 sets is pretty rare though unless we are really making a night of it and bouncing to a bunch of different bars. Regarding the young dumb girls, I don't know. I tend to be able to have a conversation with anyone, although if she says something really dumb I've been known to just turn around and walk away haha.

(05-05-2017 09:10 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

I wish I knew 10 years ago what I know now.

Don't we all

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More Toronto adventures:
Lay 52, Mexican Flag Acquired 7/10, 29 years old but you'd guess 22
This is probably my longest running target I've ever had. I first met her in March 2015 at Einsteins in Toronto. She was with friends after class, sitting in the corner alone while her friends were playing pool. I feel like we really hit it off, but she had a serious boyfriend at the time and couldn't come out. I remember one line from that night, and I meant it "I feel like you would be really fun if you were single." She had the innocent look and voice, but I had suspicions.

My friend was visiting and I showed him a picture, to which he replied she's pretty average. I knew better, she was one of the girls who does no justice with pictures. He was in town with a hockey team and between her and her 2 friends, I was bring the only three girls to a party of 9 hockey players. We went to UG3, a live band bar downtown, and at least this night was filled with absolute smokeshows. At one point it was the 10 of us and like 20 girls 6 or higher with no other guys. Unfortunately these assholes just kept hitting on her all night. Every last one of them until the last minute. We had a peck of a kiss but she said she didn't want to sleep with me because she's had her heart broken too many times. Her friends were both kissing some other guys. I pulled the "solo abrazo" line and she said yes we can spend the night together, but no sex.

We afterpartyed at my house with her 2 friends, my friend, and another hockey player (one in a serious relationship, one married with two kids). They both get blowjobs, one in my room and one on my balcony. I've made no progress, they leave and I'm singing along to my record player Wonderwall with the 3 girls. The other 2 leave and surprisingly I get to business really quickly with the one. Played it a bit slow because I didn't want her to regret it, but in the morning we went for McDs and she said she was happy she slept with me. She also had a way nicer body than I was expecting... I'll be seeing her again this week.

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Saturday

Long story short, we went to the Drake. I was set, my friend (guy with girlfriend visiting for the weekend) was set with her friend. She said she was going to fuck me, we were waiting for my friend to get his jacket, and he bailed back to the dance floor under guilty feelings. I suggested we go with the three of us buy the other girl wasn't feeling it. Game over, asshole friend of mine. Plan is to meet her tuesday. I got 3 other numbers afterwards, so hopefully some pan out.

Sunday I went to game 4 of the Cle vs Tor series. Brutal series, 4-0. Went to dinner with another visiting friend and met the lead singer of a very good band. He invited me to his show on guestlist plus 1, so I'll either bring the Mexican or one of the girls from the weekend. Bounced to a couple bars afterwards and nothing much was doing... too early for a legitimate Sunday night in Toronto.. that only happens after May 2-4. Anyway, I'll stick with the fact that Toronto is one of the easiest cities in the world to get laid. Between my friends visiting and I this week, we are 3/7, 1/2 and 2/2.... and that was a guilty conscious preventing 4/7, 2/2, 2/2.

One note- We were wearing matching shirts between the 3 of us Saturday night. Went to the Drake and got an early stamp, then Baby Hueys, Dakota Tavern and back to the Drake. Any other city we'd be the biggest douches ever. In Toronto every last person asked us the story, guys asked us, girls asked us and it was easy pickings. Previously mentioned celebrity status was attained by buying a $20 H&M shirt... good investment if you ask me. Couldn't walk past one group or one person without someone asking the story of the shirts. Drunk pilot.. golf game in bermuda tomorrow.. bachelor party.. didn't matter the reason, hook line and sinker.

[CJM]

I'm a few hours from Toronto and I seriously wish I made the trip this weekend. Buddy even asked me if I wanted to see game 4, but with the Raps down 3-0 I said fuck that. Bad decision, sounds like you cleaned house.

[CJM]

Where you off to after TO?

[DigitalNomad]

(05-08-2017 10:44 PM)CJM Wrote:  

Where you off to after TO?

Israel and Greece (Ios and Mykonos) to finish off May. Then Istanbul, Varna, Bucharest, and Tallinn in June.

[Robert Plant]

Being 5'9 with a normal body probably actually helps you with American girls. They are so insecure and so afraid of boggy men that being tall and athletic can intimidate them. My shorter friends can approach really aggressively and have great results. If I (tall and athletic) was as aggressive as them I would get slapped. Unless I get huge IOIs, I have to approach in a very mellow way almost like I am uninterested. I find the Mystery approach of framing my body so I look like I am about to leave works well. Fortunately I get more IOIs than my shorter friends.

[DigitalNomad]

(05-09-2017 10:54 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Being 5'9 with a normal body probably actually helps you with American girls. They are so insecure and so afraid of boggy men that being tall and athletic can intimidate them. My shorter friends can approach really aggressively and have great results. If I (tall and athletic) was as aggressive as them I would get slapped. Unless I get huge IOIs, I have to approach in a very mellow way almost like I am uninterested. I find the Mystery approach of framing my body so I look like I am about to leave works well. Fortunately I get more IOIs than my shorter friends.

Not that it makes a huge difference, but I'm actually between 5'10'' and 5'11'' haha.

Lay 53 of the year, Canadian, 6.5/10 24 years old
This was another one that was a long time coming. I met her at Christmas at the Dakota Tavern and we kept in touch a bit. Gave her some travel advice for a mezcal bar in Guatemala I had heard good things about and while there she met someone completely randomly who I had had breakfast with the week before, with talk of my job making them realize they both knew me. Anyway the Mexican couldn't hang out last night so I invited her to the concert that I had been comped tickets to Sunday night when I met the lead singer at dinner. It was packed, completely sold out and a really great funky jam show. Had a bunch of beers there, then met up with the singer after for a shot. Luckily the venue is close to my house so we walked back, put daft punk on my record player and banged her on my balcony then went back into the bedroom. Probably one of the best BJs I've had in my life, I'll give her that.

[Jagnum]

(05-02-2017 05:39 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

I do really well with girls that are alone at the club.

I've traveled a fair amount and a girl alone at a club, let alone a quality girl alone at a club, is as rare as they come.

[DigitalNomad]

(05-11-2017 03:56 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 05:39 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

I do really well with girls that are alone at the club.

I've traveled a fair amount and a girl alone at a club, let alone a quality girl alone at a club, is as rare as they come.

I'll clarify. Girls that are alone when I meet them. Maybe they freshly got ditched by their friend who left with a guy, or their friends went to the bathroom, to order drinks, etc. I'll agree it would be pretty rare for a quality girl to go to the club entirely on her own haha. When you tell them they look awkward being all alone, you are playing on the insecurity they are probably actually feeling, then they feel the need to have to justify to you why they are alone.

[Skank_Hunt]

I find that with DigitalNomad he is obviously a natural and combine that with constant travel, banging and drinking, his posts aren't going to contain every single detail of what happened. The diary is more of a quick summary. I too wondered about the "hot girls alone" and you're right about this Jagnum, but I just figured something along the lines of, "oh, DN means girls on their own in the sense of being separated from the group, not complete loners with no friends." Sometimes you have to fill in some of the blanks with DN's summaries but I find this easier now with his detailed responses to my questions. (+1 for taking the time out of his insane traveling/drinking/banging haze to respond so well)

Considering the shit Toronto gets regarding the situation with women, who else got a feeling that DN was going to declare Toronto one of the easiest places to get laid? It just goes to show how opinions about certain places are heavily influenced by first-hand experience. By contrast have you seen some people constantly moan about how shit certain places are for women, places which are actually known for at least a decent SMP? Whom to believe? Sometimes you just have to go there yourself. I will skip Toronto, though

[DigitalNomad]

(05-11-2017 06:28 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

I find that with DigitalNomad he is obviously a natural and combine that with constant travel, banging and drinking, his posts aren't going to contain every single detail of what happened. The diary is more of a quick summary. I too wondered about the "hot girls alone" and you're right about this Jagnum, but I just figured something along the lines of, "oh, DN means girls on their own in the sense of being separated from the group, not complete loners with no friends." Sometimes you have to fill in some of the blanks with DN's summaries but I find this easier now with his detailed responses to my questions. (+1 for taking the time out of his insane traveling/drinking/banging haze to respond so well)

Considering the shit Toronto gets regarding the situation with women, who else got a feeling that DN was going to declare Toronto one of the easiest places to get laid? It just goes to show how opinions about certain places are heavily influenced by first-hand experience. By contrast have you seen some people constantly moan about how shit certain places are for women, places which are actually known for at least a decent SMP? Whom to believe? Sometimes you just have to go there yourself. I will skip Toronto, though

Natural might be an exaggeration. I barely got laid at all until I was 21. Improved the way I dress and my hair cut and hit the gym a bit and it made a huge difference. Up until about 2014 my best year was like 10. Toronto is a city filled with stunning women who aren't used to the game of other big cities in North America. Put a NYC guy in Toronto and he'll rack up numbers, I have no doubt. Is it a feminist city, for sure. But the men here don't seem to have much game, and the younger women in the city don't have the feminist vibes of the 25+ crowd. Anyway, off to Gracey O'Malleys for some more student night adventures. After 5k+ in profit at work today the $13 pitchers will be flowing fast and heavy!

[Kratomite]

(05-09-2017 10:54 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Being 5'9 with a normal body probably actually helps you with American girls. They are so insecure and so afraid of boggy men that being tall and athletic can intimidate them. My shorter friends can approach really aggressively and have great results. If I (tall and athletic) was as aggressive as them I would get slapped. Unless I get huge IOIs, I have to approach in a very mellow way almost like I am uninterested. I find the Mystery approach of framing my body so I look like I am about to leave works well. Fortunately I get more IOIs than my shorter friends.

This point is rarely made.

Tall, well-built guys get more IOIs...but that doesn't translate easily into lays. You're automatically labeled a player, and so there's more of a shield to penetrate.

I think average guys actually have it easier with game. The last thing a woman wants is to feel like she's uglier than the guy she's with. They're incredibly insecure when it comes to that.

It's like most comedians being very average looking because they're easier for the masses to relate to. Legit casanovas fly under the radar because nobody presumes them to be one.