[Kid Twist]

I saw this referred to in other posts, and I'm not sure I've seen it explained more, though it is understood by many on the forum.

Is it your feeling that the number of males affects the quality (demand) of the dating scene more, or the outlook and behavior of women?

I know both play a role, just wondering which of these you think is more impactful over time: the physical number of males/females, or the social (technological) factors in the dating game?

If treated in another thread significantly, apologies ahead of time.

[str8_thggn]

Top tier engineering schools

[eradicator]

(12-23-2016 04:45 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

I saw this referred to in other posts, and I'm not sure I've seen it explained more, though it is understood by many on the forum.

Is it your feeling that the number of males affects the quality (demand) of the dating scene more, or the outlook and behavior of women?

I know both play a role, just wondering which of these you think is more impactful over time: the physical number of males/females, or the social (technological) factors in the dating game?

If treated in another thread significantly, apologies ahead of time.

I can only comment on the places where I have lived and the imbalances as far as dating.

Favors men: New York(hot young women flock here to ride the carousel), Santa Barbara(probably most beach towns)

Favors women: Los Angeles, San Diego(all of the army bases are full of young single men)

I am not really sure about places like Washington DC, Toronto, and the Bay area(San Francisco) because while they are feminist hell holes, and often called pussy hell, if you are in the game, you have to be able to find ways to win even when the deck is stacked against you(day game, finding your niche- whatever that may be)

[John Michael Kane]

I live near a top engineering college and the the male to female ratio is 53% to 47%. Though it could be a lot worse. Many engineers are total betas and omegas that have zero game. Really need help badly. The ratios are bad, but the competition is weak.

[[email protected]]

Australia, favors women. Ugly ham beasts I wouldn't want to touch with a pole are with men in the 6-8.5 range. I recall once I met a local guy was able to date up (he was a 7.5/8, she was a 8.5,9), but once he was caught cheating, she left him and he had to resort to 4's and 5's on Tinder and various dating sites. She then found out he was dating all kinds of ham beasts and was shocked and wondered why....turns out this girl is from Europe and doesn't understand that this is what Australian men get.

[LeoneVolpe]

^ I've heard that about Australia before, but I was hoping it was just an exaggeration. Not so sure I'd want to spend the money to ever visit there now.

As far as my take on where the dating imbalance is felt the most in the West -- I'd have to say middle America. You see guys who are in relatively good shape from having labor intensive jobs (like farming and construction) have to settle for girls who weigh as much as the houses they're building. Sure, there are attractive girls to be found anywhere, but they're in extremely short supply in such regions where obesity is a bigger problem (no pun intended).

I don't know if there's necessarily fewer women in number, but there's certainly fewer women you'd actively want to fuck around Small Town, U.S.A.

[John Michael Kane]

Any place with a massive gender imbalance is going to have uglier and fatter women. Prime examples: The Bay Area in California, and Alaska. Both are total sausage fests, and the women by and large make no effort to look or act nice. Basically, to have the best possible relationship between the sexes, we both have to try hard, and an even gender ratio encourages healthy competition.

[ivansirko]

Its gotta be Silicon Valley.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/shipped-...ornia.html

Quote:

The endeavor seemed, at first, like a joke on Silicon Valley: An online start-up was crowdfunding a shipment of single women from New York to San Francisco, so the nerd-kings of tech could finally get dates. “Cross-Country Love: Help Fly NYC Women to SF” was the brainchild of Lauren Kay, the 24-year-old CEO and founder of dating start-up the Dating Ring. She launched the service in New York City, then expanded to San Francisco when the company gained entry to prestigious (and notoriously male-dominated) tech incubator Y Combinator. But the New York network had two women for every man, and the San Francisco network three men for every two women. So she filmed a video for the crowdfunding site Crowdtilt in which female New Yorkers and male San Franciscans plead to be brought together. “Would you please pay for me to go meet boys?” a pretty blonde asks the camera.

The backlash was swift. Valleywag called participants “comfort women,” prompting a commenter to correct: “Slight difference. The comfort women of WWII were slaves. These women are just skanks who want to marry a millionaire.”

One-hundred twenty-nine donors and $10,222 later, plans were in motion. Fifteen lucky women were selected to make the trip; each would go on two “curated” dates selected and planned by the Dating Ring. There would be a cocktail party where the New York women would meet their Crowdtilt benefactors, and a rager open to all Dating Ring members of both genders. At the last minute, Lauren agreed to add a 16th woman: me.

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(12-23-2016 06:48 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Any place with a massive gender imbalance is going to have uglier and fatter women. Prime examples: The Bay Area in California, and Alaska. Both are total sausage fests, and the women by and large make no effort to look or act nice. Basically, to have the best possible relationship between the sexes, we both have to try hard, and an even gender ratio encourages healthy competition.

Roosh had a really good article about this. The more options women have the worse the quality of women. The more socialist the country the worse the women are. Socialism tends to be wealthy countries that can afford it.

Look at EE where women have high standards with the way they care about their lools and are willing to put up with a lot more DLV's from men than in the west.

[John Michael Kane]

In EE countries there is a gender imbalance that helps men, due to many men dying early to alcohol and other risky behavior. Quality men are in short supply, so women compete harder to lock down a man. If there was magically a surplus of men in the FSU states, their attitudes would go downhill for sure. When left to our own devices, humans often revert to very selfish behavior unless there is some sort of natural check and balance that makes people cut out the most egregious offenses.

[Rocha]

(12-23-2016 08:46 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

In EE countries there is a gender imbalance that helps men, due to many men dying early to alcohol and other risky behavior. Quality men are in short supply, so women compete harder to lock down a man. If there was magically a surplus of men in the FSU states, their attitudes would go downhill for sure. When left to our own devices, humans often revert to very selfish behavior unless there is some sort of natural check and balance that makes people cut out the most egregious offenses.

Not true in the younger age ranges, the ones we are more interested in.

   

[John Michael Kane]

That graph doesn't tell the whole story. Many young men in Russia and FSU states are real alcoholics. There may be more men, but many women are reluctant to commit to them, especially the ones that act like drunk losers. So while in total numbers, it looks like it is a terrible place to find women, if you have your shit together, and speak Russian, you are easily on par with the locals, if not ahead of them.

[TooFineAPoint]

When I was in Lithuania in late 2000s, there were more young women than men, and it was exacerbated by more males leaving to work in the UK. Kaunas and Vilnius were easily 2:1 females to males.

Perhaps the same in Russia? Roughly same amount of young men and women, but more males are likely to seek work elsewhere?

[Rocha]

(12-23-2016 09:05 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

That graph doesn't tell the whole story. Many young men in Russia and FSU states are real alcoholics. There may be more men, but many women are reluctant to commit to them, especially the ones that act like drunk losers. So while in total numbers, it looks like it is a terrible place to find women, if you have your shit together, and speak Russian, you are easily on par with the locals, if not ahead of them.

Have you been to?

[John Michael Kane]

A primer on alcoholism and suicide in the FSU :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116380/

Average life expectancy is 58 for men, a 4 year drop from around the time of the Berlin Wall falling. Russian men are drinking more, and committing more suicide. Between high unemployment, bleak winters and a general moodiness that has always been the Russian sentiment, there are many factors as to why they live such short lives.

The FSU wouldn't be such a huge wife and girlfriend shopping zone if the local men were keeping up with demand. Depending upon the area, they often aren't.

This article is worth a full read :

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...han-women/

Quote:

Why the former USSR has far fewer men than women

[R_Niko]

Toronto's pretty bad

[James Bond Next level]

I think we're failing to see a more major cause : desperation.
Average men in the west > will hook up with a whale eventually
Average woman in the west > will demand some level of quality of the men, more if she's hot, or will wait.

The dating imbalance in the west is actually an imbalance of power and the power is who can refuse sex. Usually, it's the woman, and I know a lot of them not necessarily super hot that will prefer to wait even a year than hook up with a low quality guy. No matter how horny they are, they are better at keeping it in their pants (not all though). The guys on the other hand will drop his standards the more he is on a dry spell, he is more desperate for sex (blue balls). As a result, women have more power, especially since they get hit on a lot, which boosts their perceived value whereas a guy has to approach and will get rejections, which decreases his perceived value.
Of course an alpha man is the opposite, but they are not the majority.

[Surreyman]

(12-24-2016 11:02 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  

Toronto's pretty bad

It is, but once you leave downtown it's a lot more normal. Also, there are tons of foreign women in Toronto.

[beta_plus]

(12-23-2016 04:53 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 04:45 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

I saw this referred to in other posts, and I'm not sure I've seen it explained more, though it is understood by many on the forum.

Is it your feeling that the number of males affects the quality (demand) of the dating scene more, or the outlook and behavior of women?

I know both play a role, just wondering which of these you think is more impactful over time: the physical number of males/females, or the social (technological) factors in the dating game?

If treated in another thread significantly, apologies ahead of time.

I can only comment on the places where I have lived and the imbalances as far as dating.

Favors men: New York(hot young women flock here to ride the carousel), Santa Barbara(probably most beach towns)

Favors women: Los Angeles, San Diego(all of the army bases are full of young single men)

I am not really sure about places like Washington DC, Toronto, and the Bay area(San Francisco) because while they are feminist hell holes, and often called pussy hell, if you are in the game, you have to be able to find ways to win even when the deck is stacked against you(day game, finding your niche- whatever that may be)

The problem with Toronto and Ontario in general is not the ratio but the quality. The blunt fact is that physically the average man in Ontario is much more sexually attractive than the average woman. This allows Ontario women to act the spoiled way that they do and lead directly to the invention of Game 1.0 (Mystery & Tyler Durden are both from there). Even with game, you can still find yourself in a hopeless situation in Ontario.

In Washington, DC, the problem is that it attracts extremely entitled women from around the US and the world, especially middle to upper middle class non-STEM university educated white women from the "strict" rust belt of Buffalo-Pittsburg-Cleveland-Detroit. Women and men are about the same attractiveness wise, but the women have opinions of themselves that the market does not justify. I know women who have hit menopause in and around DC w/o getting married and having kids because of this. While you will struggle, game will generally save you in DC.

For SF, the girls are just plain ugly. Though, at least when I was there many years back, they did have decent attitudes. Game worked surprisingly well when I was there, but it was still tough.

I tend to look at feminism being a symptom and not the root cause for those 3 places.

[LikeABaller]

The reason why we have it easier in FSU is because the girls over there are WAY better looking compared to their guys. For example in southern european countries like Greece/Portugal/Italy, the males are much better looking compared to the females hence thats why the guys over there are quite thirsty. Looks wise when the males are better looking that puts us males at a huge disadvantage. Take a look at Australia I think its one of the hardest markets for men. Why? Because the average girl is shit, but the average guy is good looking. A man who is a 7 on looks scale has trouble getting a girl who is 6 in Ozzyland.

From the countries I've visited the best markets for men are.

Thailand
Indonesia
Ukraine
Russia


Worst:
Australia
Turkey
Spain
Italy

I don't know why people rant about US here, but I found US to be quite even. A man who is a 6 will get a girl who is a 6. Its balanced. Perfect equilbrium.

[Steve McQueen]

Ireland, we have the worst of it in terms of attitude and looks, as any Irish man who goes abroad can attest to, we absolutely kill it with women outside of these shores. That says all you need to know.

[Constitution45]

(12-25-2016 03:41 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Ireland, we have the worst of it in terms of attitude and looks, as any Irish man who goes abroad can attest to, we absolutely kill it with women outside of these shores. That says all you need to know.

Same applies for British men. British men overseas even in places like France or Germany do extremely well. For me, America was like paradise, the easiest place in the world to pull; essentially being British there gets you groupies.

Other parts of the U.K can be easier if you are from a big city like London. It goes a long way, as it has a certain amount of prestige; even if you come from the ghetto.

[scotian]

Resource boom towns so places like Fort McMurray (Canada), Karratha (Australia) or Williston (USA). Imagine walking into a bar or club and the male to female ratio is about 70:30 (or worse) and all of the guys there are cashed up, aggressive, blue collar types who will not think twice about trying to take your girl or knock you the fuck out. I think it may be a bit unique to the Anglosphere because I haven't met any Europeans who remind me of these guys but basically a lot of the dudes in these towns look like (or often are) MMA fighters so lots of tattoos, mohawks haircuts, gaudy clothing and tacky jewelry. Many of them train hard at the gym and most do anabolics, at the club they get very drunk and are usually also fucked up on cocaine or some type of speed. Combine all that with extreme thirst do to the lack of women and you end up with a lot of aggressive dudes who will actively cock block and AMOG you or straight up try to fight you. I"m not exaggerating when I say that I feel much safer at bars and clubs in Colombia than I do in these types of places in blue collar Canadian towns.

[Oilrig]

Scotian hit the nail on the head. I live in Minot, ND and it's definitely the worst place as a single guy to live. There's an Air Force base and oil jobs which attract thousands of men, very few females. The only single women in the city are vile nasty pixie cut tattoo types.

[911]

(12-25-2016 02:36 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

The reason why we have it easier in FSU is because the girls over there are WAY better looking compared to their guys. For example in southern european countries like Greece/Portugal/Italy, the males are much better looking compared to the females hence thats why the guys over there are quite thirsty. Looks wise when the males are better looking that puts us males at a huge disadvantage. Take a look at Australia I think its one of the hardest markets for men. Why? Because the average girl is shit, but the average guy is good looking. A man who is a 7 on looks scale has trouble getting a girl who is 6 in Ozzyland.

From the countries I've visited the best markets for men are.

Thailand
Indonesia
Ukraine
Russia


Worst:
Australia
Turkey
Spain
Italy

I don't know why people rant about US here, but I found US to be quite even. A man who is a 6 will get a girl who is a 6. Its balanced. Perfect equilbrium.

What's the deal with Turkey, Spain and Italy, cultural reasons mainly?

(12-23-2016 04:55 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

I live near a top engineering college and the the male to female ratio is 53% to 47%. Though it could be a lot worse. Many engineers are total betas and omegas that have zero game. Really need help badly. The ratios are bad, but the competition is weak.

Lots of beta males, but most of the women are dogs.

(12-23-2016 06:48 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Any place with a massive gender imbalance is going to have uglier and fatter women. Prime examples: The Bay Area in California, and Alaska. Both are total sausage fests, and the women by and large make no effort to look or act nice. Basically, to have the best possible relationship between the sexes, we both have to try hard, and an even gender ratio encourages healthy competition.

There are some great hunting grounds in the Bay Area, like Golden Gate Park if you're on a good weekend league team. By and large it's not as good as Southern CA, but at least there are a lot fewer fatties in the Bay Area than in your average big city. The problem is that they tend to be frumpy, and way too indoctrinated, especially the transplants who come from more conservative states to live the lifestyle.