[Samseau]

(08-15-2011 10:47 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 04:24 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Coming from personal experience, the easiest way I've seen to combat this kind of thing is create a pretty intense program of self-development.

Go to Thailand for two weeks with $4,000 and fuck four different girls a day (you'd have to actually push yourself after day three or so; do it). Every day.
When you return back, you'll be a different man.

The only non-depressing comment in this thread.

[Wizard]

(08-15-2011 10:47 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 04:24 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Coming from personal experience, the easiest way I've seen to combat this kind of thing is create a pretty intense program of self-development.

Go to Thailand for two weeks with $4,000 and fuck four different girls a day (you'd have to actually push yourself after day three or so; do it). Every day.
When you return back, you'll be a different man.

Sounds like a hell of a good time, but I was thinking the Philippines and in about ten months or so. I'm building a business right now that will let me run it from a laptop, and give me a damn good bankroll. I don't want to waste the momentum I've been building, so I'm playing the long game.

Besides, there is no reason I can't work on my game here while I get everything ready. Granted it's buried deep, but Iowa has some nice ass in desperate need of a good fucking.

I appreciate all the insight provided on this thread, and should remind guys this isn't mean to depress. It just shows that any man can make a choice to step up, and take control of his life.

[OGNorCal707]

This is an interesting thread/topic, and a lot of guys have already touched on a lot of things here. I personally can relate in some ways, I've never been a true nerd in the classic sense (video games, WOW, comic books, etc.), my problem was mostly social and sexual anxiety around women, but those two issues are often the root causes of a lot of guys' failure in this "game".

Sure if you're a nerd, a lot of things may need to change in oder to improve with women, lot's of "outer game" stuff, such as getting a hair cut, going to the gym, buying new clothes, etc., but most of it lies with "inner game." A lot of guys after spending their entire lives without getting any success or limited success with girls/women, simply give up on themselves. The adopt a defeated attitude, so they've already conceded that they've lost, and they give up on trying.

If you want to achieve at anything in life you have to work for it. Period, point blank, this is especially true if you lack the natural gifts or tools to be successful in a certain realm. Sure you may have the highest rank on World of Warcraft and that may earn you respect of your nerd peers, but it's not going to attract women and arose them sexually. As someone said, self-improvement is paramount, you really have to work on creating your best self, in order to attract women.

Like Gmac's proverbial example of the acne faced, video game nerd, who lives with his parents.... What woman is going to want to have sex with that guy, let alone get into a relationship with him? I mean seriously, if you have nothing going for you, you can't bitch and moan about not getting women. You can't even read "Bang" or every other piece of seduction material and expect change, if you don't change other aspects of your life that are holding you back.

So when I talk about inner game, I like to quote Bob Marley: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery." A lot of us our slaves to our own belief systems, and a lot of time our belief systems are what's holding us back, a lot of guys seriously lack confidence and self esteem, and are operating under a negative frame work of "self limiting beliefs". A lot of these beliefs have been formulated at the hands of others whether that be "the popular kids" who made fun of you because you were poorer, shorter, and had "hand-me-down" clothes, or your parents who were unloving and emotionally, verbally abusive.

Whatever your past was, or whatever your current belief system is, shatter it. Take control of your life and your destiny. You think that you are a WBAFC ("way below average frustrated chump"), then you will be. It's called actualization and self fullfilling prophecy, in other words "psychology 101".

Learn to love yourself and realize that you are a unique person with a lot to offer the world, not only women. Develop your interests, hobbies, and talents, but more importantly work on yourself. Once you develop your sense of self love, and self worth, realize that no one else is better than you.

You may see that beautiful girl that's a "9" and she's a super special magical "unicorn" in your eyes, you put her on the "pedestal" and she's untouchable. Well let me let you in on a little secret (I learned this one the hard way BTW)... Her shit stinks too! She maybe hot and you may want to fuck her till next Tuesday, but deep down inside she's a fucked up, shallow, materialistic, stupid person, with deep seeded psychological and emotional issues. No one is perfect.

Remember that next time you see an attractive girl that you want to approach, but you're too nervous, and cock block yourself. You need to reframe how you think and perceive the world. Overcome your approach anxiety and fear of rejection. Simply learn to not give a fuck, learn to not care what others think about you, and don't let their opinions and reactions dictate how you feel about yourself and the world.


Hope this helps...

[Gmac]

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[Wizard]

(08-16-2011 01:02 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Granted, I wasn't as bad as the OP described, but I wrote about my own experience here:

“Playing Video Games” to “Playing Women”
http://hokieblogger.com/?p=1554

Thanks for the link, I had a chance to go through post and read a lot of the info on the site. Good stuff.

[Neo]

I've known guys like this and most just don't change at all

Oldnemesis' idea of going to thailand and fucking a bunch of girls is a good idea too.

[oldnemesis]

(08-16-2011 02:42 AM)Wizard Wrote:  

Besides, there is no reason I can't work on my game here while I get everything ready. Granted it's buried deep, but Iowa has some nice ass in desperate need of a good fucking.

Well, it is different. When you spend a few days bringing 2-4 girls into your bed at the same time, when you're resting between the action and one massages your back, second massages your feet and the third goes out to buy you a beer, it puts a major blow into pussy pedestalization. A chick asks you if you ever had a threesome, and you laugh in her face.

[Wizard]

(08-16-2011 08:48 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:42 AM)Wizard Wrote:  

Besides, there is no reason I can't work on my game here while I get everything ready. Granted it's buried deep, but Iowa has some nice ass in desperate need of a good fucking.

Well, it is different. When you spend a few days bringing 2-4 girls into your bed at the same time, when you're resting between the action and one massages your back, second massages your feet and the third goes out to buy you a beer, it puts a major blow into pussy pedestalization. A chick asks you if you ever had a threesome, and you laugh in her face.

Yep... that's hell of a hammer approach to the problem, and it's something to think about. I'm still studying the data sheets posted here on forum, but maybe I can split my time between the two places.

[Pusscrook]

(08-15-2011 10:47 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-15-2011 04:24 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Coming from personal experience, the easiest way I've seen to combat this kind of thing is create a pretty intense program of self-development.

Go to Thailand for two weeks with $4,000 and fuck four different girls a day (you'd have to actually push yourself after day three or so; do it). Every day.
When you return back, you'll be a different man.

Why would you send him to Thailand and burn up all that money? Shit , if that's the case, save him some money and send him to Colombia or the D.R., maybe Costa Rica , all these are closer. He fucks four different girls a day, simply because he will have to pay for it. How will that help him when he comes back here to the States ?Thai girls who fuck for money are different than American girls who just want to fuck because they are attracted to you , love your confidence, or think they can get something out of it to elevate their status .

[CupCake]

(08-15-2011 10:26 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

In order to put the basement dweller / social dork phenomenon into perspective, you guys have to think about the social conditioning that all of us got for literally years on end between school and our jobs...

Wow, that's a really interesting insight. Makes me want to get off my ass for sure.

[oldnemesis]

(08-16-2011 09:35 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Why would you send him to Thailand and burn up all that money? Shit , if that's the case, save him some money and send him to Colombia or the D.R., maybe Costa Rica , all these are closer.

Usually my recommendation is based on my personal experience whenever possible, and this is why my advice has value. And I've never been to any country you listed, so obviously I cannot "send" him there.

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He fucks four different girls a day, simply because he will have to pay for it.

So what? Pussy is pussy, and you're paying for it anyway - be it effort, time, money or combination thereof. Let the cheap moralists care about the "fair notch"/"unfair notch" bullshit, you only live once.

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How will that help him when he comes back here to the States ?Thai girls who fuck for money are different than American girls who just want to fuck because they are attracted to you , love your confidence, or think they can get something out of it to elevate their status .

For someone in his situation it will help tremendously. First he'd be much less likely to "lock in" on the first pussy he'd get here. Second, it is a significant confidence boost - after all, he experienced things a lot of dudes around him would never experience. Third, he'll learn that top value for even the best pussy rarely exceeds $100, and hopefully won't waste too much effort on those ugly chicks around like a lot of other dudes do. So yes, there are some real benefits.

And of course there is a chance that after this experience he'll say "fuck it", and won't go back to States. To me it is probably the second worst country in the world (after India) to be single in, so I'd really understand that.

[Celtic]

Wizard-

I've had to walk the same road you have. It's extremely difficult, but it can be done, and it's rewarding when you get to the place where you can have sex with a lot of different women. Some thoughts:

- Don't Just focus on girls, focus on building an identity

What are the coolest things about you that would make a girl want to be interested in you? If you don't have a ready answer, you need to make this the case. Don't just focus on building your skills with girls, do things that will make you a more interesting person overall. Traveling is great for this. Having your own business sounds cool too. Take up interesting hobbies and do lots of cool things. This way when you are talking with someone you have will actually have cool things to talk about. This is much better than some BS mystery method routine about jealous stripper ex-girlfriend with fake nails.

Dress the Part

You talk about WBAFCs. You know, you can kind of tell these people just by looking at them, and how horribly they dress. The dorky glasses, the messed up hair, the unfashionable jeans or pants that don't fit write. Don't look like this, in fact if you have anyone in mind like this, not looking like that is good place to start.

Some people new to game try to go overboard with the peacocking thing. Don't. There's nothing dumber looking than a reformed nerd wearing a graphic t-shirt and a blazer with a bunch of jewelry. Unless you generally have some kind of a goth/punk/rocker identity, don't try to im[/b]itate the look.

I recommend going for a crisp, clean, professional look. The most important thing in fashion is fit- not too tight, but nothing should be baggy. Get fashionable jeans from a high end store that fit you great, high end shoes, and some nice fashionable dress shirts. Consider adding on a blazer if you are going some place higher end.

If you are trying to emerge from a WBAFC past, there is nothing more powerful than looking in the mirror and seeing how much your image has improved.

Get mentors to model and peers who are on the same path as you

If your city has a PUA lair, you should join it. Try to find some mentors who have their game down tight and know what they are doing, and listen to their advice. They will be able to see things you do wrong with women and can help you improve. You can also find people who are on the same path as you in improving themselves, it will be helpful to have them as friends while you improve yourself.


Travel

Some people on this thread are recommending you bang a lot of prostitutes. I disagree. Banging a lot of prostitutes will not build up your confidence the way you need to. Genuinely gaming a girl and getting her to have sex with you will. You posted you are considering going to the Philippines. That's a good idea. Keep in mind it's not automatic even in the Philippines, you will still have to work for it. But it will be easier to succeed in seducing a woman over there, and from there you can build your confidence. Traveling also great for seeing cool things and having more cool things to talk about.

Be ready for the hate

You will get a lot of resistance from people when you try to improve yourself this. When you start out approaching, expect some nasty responses from women while you are learning. Expect that some people in your personal life will react negatively to your changing persona. Expect some people in the PUA community to be dismissive of you. You'll have to keep going and not drop out in the face of all of this. The rewards are worth it.

When you start to succeed, you will get even more hate from some people you have known. To see someone who was genuinely doing bad at life is fundamentally threatening to other people, because it begs the question of why they can't improve their own lives. Just keep going always and do what you need to do.

Pussy Shock

You opened this thread asking if there is a risk of getting overly attached to the first girl, calling it "Pussy Shock". The answer is "Yes". You probably will become attached when you get your first girl. It's part of being human. The best thing I can tell you here is to strong set of values and principles, and a clear idea of what it is that you want in your life. A strong sense of values will keep you where you need to be when your emotions want to take you in the wrong direction. Keep in mind the role you are supposed to supposed to play in a relationship as a man. If you feel that thing are not going the way you should(as you mentioned in your post), use relationship game to correct it, or else move on so that you can continue to move forward in achieving the life that you want to live.

[Wizard]

(08-17-2011 09:47 PM)Celtic Wrote:  

Wizard-

I've had to walk the same road you have. It's extremely difficult, but it can be done, and it's rewarding when you get to the place where you can have sex with a lot of different women. Some thoughts:

- Don't Just focus on girls, focus on building an identity

What are the coolest things about you that would make a girl want to be interested in you? If you don't have a ready answer, you need to make this the case. Don't just focus on building your skills with girls, do things that will make you a more interesting person overall. Traveling is great for this. Having your own business sounds cool too. Take up interesting hobbies and do lots of cool things. This way when you are talking with someone you have will actually have cool things to talk about. This is much better than some BS mystery method routine about jealous stripper ex-girlfriend with fake nails.

Dress the Part

You talk about WBAFCs. You know, you can kind of tell these people just by looking at them, and how horribly they dress. The dorky glasses, the messed up hair, the unfashionable jeans or pants that don't fit write. Don't look like this, in fact if you have anyone in mind like this, not looking like that is good place to start.

Some people new to game try to go overboard with the peacocking thing. Don't. There's nothing dumber looking than a reformed nerd wearing a graphic t-shirt and a blazer with a bunch of jewelry. Unless you generally have some kind of a goth/punk/rocker identity, don't try to im[/b]itate the look.

I recommend going for a crisp, clean, professional look. The most important thing in fashion is fit- not too tight, but nothing should be baggy. Get fashionable jeans from a high end store that fit you great, high end shoes, and some nice fashionable dress shirts. Consider adding on a blazer if you are going some place higher end.

If you are trying to emerge from a WBAFC past, there is nothing more powerful than looking in the mirror and seeing how much your image has improved.

Get mentors to model and peers who are on the same path as you

If your city has a PUA lair, you should join it. Try to find some mentors who have their game down tight and know what they are doing, and listen to their advice. They will be able to see things you do wrong with women and can help you improve. You can also find people who are on the same path as you in improving themselves, it will be helpful to have them as friends while you improve yourself.


Travel

Some people on this thread are recommending you bang a lot of prostitutes. I disagree. Banging a lot of prostitutes will not build up your confidence the way you need to. Genuinely gaming a girl and getting her to have sex with you will. You posted you are considering going to the Philippines. That's a good idea. Keep in mind it's not automatic even in the Philippines, you will still have to work for it. But it will be easier to succeed in seducing a woman over there, and from there you can build your confidence. Traveling also great for seeing cool things and having more cool things to talk about.

Be ready for the hate

You will get a lot of resistance from people when you try to improve yourself this. When you start out approaching, expect some nasty responses from women while you are learning. Expect that some people in your personal life will react negatively to your changing persona. Expect some people in the PUA community to be dismissive of you. You'll have to keep going and not drop out in the face of all of this. The rewards are worth it.

When you start to succeed, you will get even more hate from some people you have known. To see someone who was genuinely doing bad at life is fundamentally threatening to other people, because it begs the question of why they can't improve their own lives. Just keep going always and do what you need to do.

Pussy Shock

You opened this thread asking if there is a risk of getting overly attached to the first girl, calling it "Pussy Shock". The answer is "Yes". You probably will become attached when you get your first girl. It's part of being human. The best thing I can tell you here is to strong set of values and principles, and a clear idea of what it is that you want in your life. A strong sense of values will keep you where you need to be when your emotions want to take you in the wrong direction. Keep in mind the role you are supposed to supposed to play in a relationship as a man. If you feel that thing are not going the way you should(as you mentioned in your post), use relationship game to correct it, or else move on so that you can continue to move forward in achieving the life that you want to live.

Celtic this is good solid information all around, and I appreciate your insights into this. I've already overcome the whole getting laid hurdle, and I've already made a lot of adjustments to my style, and the way I do things.

Personally I have no intention of going down the whole hooker route, as I prefer to work on building my own game and the only way to do that is to get out there, and work on it.

I only ever experienced something akin to a mild version of pussy shock, but after I got laid a few more times. I think I've pretty much moved beyond all the limiting beliefs attached with it.

I also agree with the sentiment that improving yourself shouldn't be simply for the goal of getting women. That type of external validation is stupid, and put's your entire sense of self-confidence in the hands of a chick.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

[blurb]

A nerd with game is one of the best formulas for success in life.

Many well-known PUAs were themselves nerds (Roosh, Mystery, Gmac, etc.) A nerd is someone who has a high intelligence but with awkward social skills or doesn't know how to act around women. Nerds just haven't applied their intelligence to when it comes to socializing or banging women. Nerds actually have high potential when it comes to women.

For instance, the Scientific Method:

1. State the problem.
2. Make observations.
3. Form a hypothesis.
4. Perform an experiment.
5. Analyze the data.
6. Verify the hypothesis.

People regularly use the Scientific Method on a regular basis. In fact, this is how Roosh learned Game and wrote Bang. It is how everyone learns Game.

1. I am not getting laid.
2. Assholes are getting laid.
3. Women are attracted to assholes.
4. I act like an asshole around women.
5. I get laid.
6. Being an assholes get you laid.

Voila!

A nerd usually has a high-paying job so his finances are usually in order which gives him the money and free time to do whatever he wants and enjoy life...and enjoy women.

[Wizard]

(08-18-2011 09:27 PM)blurb Wrote:  

A nerd with game is one of the best formulas for success in life.

Many well-known PUAs were themselves nerds (Roosh, Mystery, Gmac, etc.) A nerd is someone who has a high intelligence but with awkward social skills or doesn't know how to act around women. Nerds just haven't applied their intelligence to when it comes to socializing or banging women. Nerds actually have high potential when it comes to women.

For instance, the Scientific Method:

1. State the problem.
2. Make observations.
3. Form a hypothesis.
4. Perform an experiment.
5. Analyze the data.
6. Verify the hypothesis.

People regularly use the Scientific Method on a regular basis. In fact, this is how Roosh learned Game and wrote Bang. It is how everyone learns Game.

1. I am not getting laid.
2. Assholes are getting laid.
3. Women are attracted to assholes.
4. I act like an asshole around women.
5. I get laid.
6. Being an assholes get you laid.

Voila!

A nerd usually has a high-paying job so his finances are usually in order which gives him the money and free time to do whatever he wants and enjoy life...and enjoy women.

Your correct of course, but the downside is that a nerd is more at risk to try, and get into a relationship with the first girl who pays any attention to him.

A lot of nerds don't have an abundance mentality, and thus they think pussy is some sort of rare magical thing. It's important that they realize it isn't.

Still, a geek with game is a dangerous thing.