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12-08-2016, 03:47 PM
Quote: (12-08-2016 03:35 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:
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My parents left a home they loved to get out of a bad public school system (my sister was being beaten and robbed daily for the crime of being white).
I think my dad spent 1/4 of his life commuting to his job so we could have good school (in reality, they weren't that good). I actually didn't see my Dad that much because he had to leave home so early and got home so late. It was draining on him and he did it for over two decades.
I am in a similar situation as you. Moving to Idaho is not an option. My career requires me to be in a major metro area. I just don't want to end up spending my life getting to and from my job like my dad did.
I understand your issues. My sister and her husband paid 1.1 million for their house in Maryland and the public schools in that neighborhood are fucking amazing. Small classes , pristine campus, dedicated teachers, zero violence, and sky high test scores.
My cousin and his wife live in Southwest Atlanta, their house was $60,000. Schools are a fucking war zone. The neighborhood is near many open air drug markets, and gang activity is high.
My suggestion to you is to do what I was planning to do if my income does not pan out the way I want it to. Move your family to the country where a Mansion is $150,000-200,000 in a small city , and rent a cheap studio as close as possible (walking distance if you can) to your job. You can deduct the rent from your taxable income. You will not see your children as much, but they will understand when they are older. Remember, children require sacrifice and patience.
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12-08-2016, 03:51 PM
But what is your argument for not trying to give your kids the best chance? Not trying to put words in your mouth but it seems you are implying people should suck it up and have more kids for the greater good.
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12-08-2016, 04:01 PM
Quote: (12-08-2016 03:45 PM)General Stalin Wrote:
Quote: (12-08-2016 03:24 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:
You didn't actually disagree with any off the points I made though and you didn't refute any of my claims.
You stated exactly what I explained is endemic to middle-class America.
You stated you want to raise your kids in a nicer, higher-value area, in an expensive home near a major city, and offer them lots of luxuries that only a family with a higher bracket of income can afford. There is nothing wrong with that but it is not necessary.
Inferring that raising your kids anywhere but in a 3/4mio dollar home in the nicest part of town, paying out of pocket for all of their higher education and covering all of their living costs until they are in their mid-to-late 20's so they can join your firm is the only alternative to them being criminal statistics is absurd.
I do not want my kids to be ok, I want them to thrive. People here talk a lot about Trump, I see his family and think that seems like a plan. Providing your children with a safe neighborhood full of possible professional connections, an above average education, debt free life, and professional head start is what my personal plan is. It is not the only alternative, it is my plan based on what I have seen and experienced. Romney, Trump, and other well off people seem to be positioning their children for legacy wealth and success-I intend to do as much as I can to put my children in a good position long term.
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12-08-2016, 04:05 PM
Quote: (12-08-2016 03:50 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:
This reminds me of the "beautiful ones" mouse utopia experiment
What happens when you give society unlimited food, and pack them into little condos like sardines? How does population density affect reproduction? How does social media turn reproductive females into vain selfie taking tinderellas?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-rats-turned-t...1687584457
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...180954423/
"The few secluded spaces housed a population Calhoun called, "the beautiful ones." Generally guarded by one male, the females—- and few males — inside the space didn't breed or fight or do anything but eat and groom and sleep. When the population started declining the beautiful ones were spared from violence and death, but had completely lost touch with social behaviors, including having sex or caring for their young."
Sort of sounds like the sexual marketplace/political landscape today, eh?
Instead of not having sex, I have plenty of sex- I just pull out of the vagina and put my semen her mouth. Declining birthrates are a swallowing issue.
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12-08-2016, 04:12 PM
Quote: (12-08-2016 04:03 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:
Quote: (12-08-2016 03:47 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:
My suggestion to you is to do what I was planning to do if my income does not pan out the way I want it to. Move your family to the country where a Mansion is $150,000-200,000 in a small city , and rent a cheap studio as close as possible (walking distance if you can) to your job. You can deduct the rent from your taxable income. You will not see your children as much, but they will understand when they are older. Remember, children require sacrifice and patience.
My career mainly involves large hospitals and office buildings. Leaving the NYC metro area (or an area like it) means a career change for me. Not really an option for me now that I am no longer young. $200k won't even get you a home in the ghetto now. The homes actually get more expensive the farther from the city you get.
My area is rapidly gentrifying. I bought here 20 years ago (when property was dirt cheap) because I saw what was going to happen. My kid(s) will have access to lots of activities (martial arts, pool, a really good public park) without being exposed to a violent ghetto (not much "ghetto" left around here). I bought a 4 family building so I have rent income covering most of my building expenses.
The one major issue as I stated earlier is the schools. There is a really good magnet high school here.. but the choices are limited for grades K - 8. We have charter schools... but the teaching is steeply SJW - Cultural Marxist crap that I don't want my kids poisoned with.
Schooling is my be all end all problem as well in terms of quality and cost, I really empathize with your dilemma. I just don't have the answers if you live in NYC. I did not even know the Suburbs were more expensive than the cities, my knowledge of real estate and education is limited to the southeast and to a smaller extent the DC area.
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12-08-2016, 04:21 PM
I wonder how small the white population has to get before they realize they can't tax them anymore to subsidize their ridiculous birthrates.
Like in 2100, when whites are 15% of the population, will there still be politicians running on the platform of 'bigotry' towards dark people and how the solution is for government to take more from productive producers.
Maybe I'm an extreme right wing racist, but, given the lack of success in latino countries I have a hard time imagining they will make America any better.
Maybe by then everything will be automated anyways, and it will be overlords directing subsidies for a largely non-white population.
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12-08-2016, 04:27 PM
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A decent house in Atlanta in Buckhead is $750,000. That is so your Public School is not a prison pipeline, and your neighborhood is full of professionals.
Off topic, but just curious. Have you considered any of the northern suburbs like Gwinnett County or the Buford area? The commute may be too much for you (especially if working downtown), but you can find good homes/neighborhoods for half that price or less. I grew up in Gwinnett, and as long as you avoid certain well-known shitty areas (as with anywhere near Atlanta), your kids can live a good life there.
OTP will not have as many connections Buckhead. My kids will likely go to Pace, Westminster, Galloway, or a Montessori School. Those connections are priceless and those schools are a pipeline to the best colleges. On another note Gwinett, and Cobb county law enforcement are not amenable to overt displays of affluence by my kind (let's leave it at that, no race thread). I don't want my kids to make a dumb mistake and have to deal with the courts OTP, Fulton county courts jurisdiction is where any mistakes should be made for my kids, especially my son.
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12-08-2016, 04:30 PM
Quote: (12-08-2016 04:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:
Quote: (12-08-2016 04:01 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:
I do not want my kids to be ok, I want them to thrive. People here talk a lot about Trump, I see his family and think that seems like a plan. Providing your children with a safe neighborhood full of possible professional connections, an above average education, debt free life, and professional head start is what my personal plan is. It is not the only alternative, it is my plan based on what I have seen and experienced. Romney, Trump, and other well off people seem to be positioning their children for legacy wealth and success-I intend to do as much as I can to put my children in a good position long term.
I agree with that and good on you man. I think every man should do the best he can to provide the best life and opportunity for his family. Whatever his means can afford. I like your outlook.
All I'm getting at is just because someone can't afford all the same things that you can doesn't mean they should shy away from starting a family.
I want to have children someday and I highly doubt I am going to be Trump or Romney status to be able to offer them every opportunity in the world on a silver platter, but that is not going to stop me from raising some great kids who can grow up to be great people and do some great things and give me grandchildren some day. If my kids wind up being railworkers and ditch diggers I'll love them the same and I'll be proud that they are earning an honest living, and providing for their families the same way I provided for them.
I understand. I agree not everyone can do the whole upper middle class plan , and that should not prevent them from moving forward with a family. We are in agreement on that point 100 percent.
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12-08-2016, 04:31 PM
except the traditional middle classes of even just 5+ years ago don't exist anymore. Whilst I'm not American this is a natural trend.
The traditional middle classes public schools (previously filled by the children of a respectable middle class - parents in middle management and some tradies) are now ravaged by low class immigrants.
Whilst not inherently bad, the vast majority of these immigrants are unsavory.
You either move up the ladder economically and send you kid to an elite school or become a casualty - I've seen it over and over again.
This trend is common in all urban centres, just replace immigrant with low class and it's applicable from India to the UK.
I can not even contemplate a possible reversal of this devolution - except a severe cutback of welfare, aid and some government intervention.
The average upper middle class or traditional middle firmly places quality over quantity with a the bottom-tier subscribing to the opposite paradigm.
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12-08-2016, 04:42 PM
This is the fundamental problem of American life that never gets spoken about in plain terms: that the value of real estate in major metro areas is in large part determined by people (usually white) that want to live in places that have "good schools," which means 70-80% white or asian, and significantly without disruptive low-income people (which is usually black or hispanic).
Atlanta I totally sympathize with you. A lot of "good liberals" in the DC area will make a bee line for Bethesda/Kensington/North Bethesda after they have kids, if they can afford it. Maybe Rockville if they're not as well off. According to their thinking, their motivation is flat our racist, but they will never admit it. I know people who moved from a nice part of Silver Spring to a million dollar home in Bethesda just for this reason, and they are absolutely of this type.
I think the whole school funding system is absurd. Why is there no middle ground between a public school and home school? How come we can't have micro schools or nano schools, where you can have 20-100 kids (or whatever range), so they can have typical school social interactions, but with a much better curriculum and teachers. I would even support 100% taxpayer funded minischools for children with disadvantaged backgrounds provided that there was more flexibility in the way children are educated. I suspect the only way do this is to force liberals to eat their own cooking by making the "good schools" they have now a legal impossibility.
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12-08-2016, 07:42 PM
I wonder how mixed race children are treated in this survey. I suspect they're treated as non-white because of the one drop rule
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12-08-2016, 07:59 PM
OK. And this matters, why? As long as Black, White, Hispanic, Asian Men get along, and compete we got this.
The fight has never been against the White, or even Black male. It has been the Male in general.
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12-08-2016, 08:41 PM
Don't forget the age of women when they want to have a pregnancy plays a part in the decline. The older you are, the more difficult it is to have a kid without complications. Its easy to have multiple kids in your 20's as female since you body is optimized to creating a new life at that time. The degree status chasing exhibit by the 'white' girl population thanks to pop cultures and predatory college administers, lets a girl have a kid at later 20s or early 30's depending on the degree. Add in STDs, you can have girl with numerous infections become basically sterile due to scaring of Fallopian tubes. Once you hit 35 years old as a female, the increase chance of your child having Down Syndrome or another genetic condition increases.
Damn elite and leftist's manipulation.