^^^ I agree. The current mainstream system of family formation only works for those in the upper middle class and above.
If only you knew how bad things really are.
Quote: (10-09-2016 11:34 AM)RexImperator Wrote:
^^^ I agree. The current mainstream system of family formation only works for those in the upper middle class and above.
Quote: (10-09-2016 10:11 AM)Easy_C Wrote:
Quote: (10-09-2016 09:19 AM)Vaun Wrote:
Quote: (10-09-2016 06:04 AM)Suits Wrote:
Quote: (10-08-2016 09:47 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
I'm not part of the [MGTOW] movement and have no idea to what degree it's occupied by resentful basement dwellers or cultural counter-revolutionaries.
It's populated by resentful basement dwellers who think that they are cultural counter-revolutionaries.
I don't blame these young men. In fact I feel sorry for them. They are largely being influenced by the propaganda of older men. Older men who were divorce raped, divorced multiple times and extremely bitter towards women in general. Men deciding to make their lives in areas and countries, whose lives are ruined after a common occurrence like divorce(Canada, US, UK, AU). Men who are ruined financially and out of shape. Men who dont turn the mirror around on themselves and ask what they could have done differently, and still just blame. Its a victim mindset. Men who never moved on from their divorces, discovered game, were impotent when defending their rights as fathers, did not challenge egregious alimony judgements, did not work hard for a reasonable divorce settlement.
Thats where I see this ideology originating from. And these kids are picking it up, when challenges with girls are at their peak. When I was their age I admired rock stars, authors and entrepreneurs, not divorce raped men. These kids need game. Just dont get married, get someone pregnant, get arrested or get a loan. Its that easy. Its healthy for them to work and build something, but jesus, go get a little pussy too.
Also add to that.
Don't stick your dick in crazy. And no, because you think this one chick is really awesome or "she's trying to change" doesn't make her not crazy.
Quote: (10-09-2016 11:23 AM)Enoch Wrote:
Frankly some of the guys on this forum don't understand how hard is it economically for the average blue collar man and how that negatively impacts his romantic life. If you lose your job, your wife might just leave you and take your kids. You cant' control whether or not you lose your job. MGTOW is an understandable reaction to an economy that doesn't value blue collar labor anymore and attention whoring women reinforced by no-fault divorce and child support. For many men, dropping out completely of the carnal market is the optimal solution in terms of long term economic welfare.
Quote: (10-09-2016 05:41 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:
No, of course blue collar guys can be succesful. Many are exceptionally smart. But I believe there's a LOT of guys out there who simply don't have the traits to learn game and be successful. And I'm sure this applies to a section of white collar guys as well. Though my guess is that on average, white collar guys read more, have more access to mentors and ambitious/smart people and have a larger safety net/cushion.
Quote: (10-09-2016 07:17 PM)Jackreacher Wrote:
What I don't get is most can see how silly MGTOW(the group and some of the silly ideas they have) it's the men's form of feminism, basically quitting on some level if I had to summarize both movements and yet feminism managed to succeed to unimaginable levels somehow, permeating nearly every piece of culture in the western world despite all odds. I don't get it.
Quote: (10-09-2016 01:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
"Also add to that.
Don't stick your dick in crazy. And no, because you think this one chick is really awesome or "she's trying to change" doesn't make her not crazy."
So here's a fun question. 1/4th of the American female population is on anti-depressants. If you support this rule, do you support 25% of the male population of the United States going MGTOW?
Quote: (10-09-2016 07:17 PM)Jackreacher Wrote:
What I don't get is most can see how silly MGTOW(the group and some of the silly ideas they have) it's the men's form of feminism, basically quitting on some level if I had to summarize both movements and yet feminism managed to succeed to unimaginable levels somehow, permeating nearly every piece of culture in the western world despite all odds. I don't get it.
Quote: (10-09-2016 10:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Suits has delivered a harsh but fair judgement (on more than one occasion now)
An MGTOW movement that was like this forum absent the game-specific content would be respectable. Everyone dropping the bar to half and inch and then patting each other on the back for jumping it is kind of sad.
If every MGTOW could point to just a single reasonable aspect of their lives that was in any way admirable then I'm sure we'd all applaud. We'd applaud the guy making huge $tacks. We'd applaud the guy who was 6 feet tall and 240 pounds of fatless muscle. We'd applaud the guy building custom motorcycles, winning the regional 3 gun competition or taking a trophy buck every season. In other words, bringing honour to their movement and in doing so winning over converts.
I'm not knee deep in MGTOW culture, but I'm guessing such accomplishments are few and far between.
Quote: (10-10-2016 01:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
b) Guys who want to get married but just don't have the game to make it work in this day and age (MGTOW central).
Quote: (10-10-2016 01:00 AM)RBerkley Wrote:
Horror story