[Pride male]

Do you avoid being seen in public with fat or ugly girls, even if you are not banging them? Does it lower your street cred?

[John_Galt]

Being seen with? No. The girl could be a family member, or a friend.

Now, if you're taking land whales to a function where it is assumed you have a romantic relationship or inclination, then yes, of course, you look like a guy with low standards.

But if you're just out at a mall, and there's a fat or ugly girl walking 3 ft away from you, women will not automatically assume you're sleeping with her, unless your body language (or hers) suggests otherwise.

I wouldn't avoid ugly women merely because I thought other women would think less of me. I have a cousin with a thyroid problem, she's about 250 lbs, but a wonderful person. I wouldn't avoid being seen with her in public merely because she's unattractive.

But I wouldn't bring an unattractive woman to a social function where it would be implied or likely she'd be seen as my date.

Hope that answers your question.

[Rocha]

(10-04-2016 10:33 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Do you avoid being seen in public with fat or ugly girls, even if you are not banging them? Does it lower your street cred?

Yes and Yes

[Repo]

No. I know a guy who had an overweight female friend he would sometimes hang out with, strictly platonic. He would still hit on hot chicks and even introduce them to her. Then when the girls were talking, he would approach other hot girls in eyesight, then come back. Its all in your frame. If you feel embarrassed, girls can tell and it will hurt your value. If you truly dont give a fuck, it shouldn't hurt.

[AboveAverageJoe]

I wouldn't know, but yrs it is. I am someone who doesn't care in the least what strangers think about me and I will still not be seen with an overweight or ugly woman. All my female family members are attractive and I don't have ugly/overweight female friends.
Never be seen in public with an ugly or fat woman for any reason. Period.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Absolutely. Abso-fucking-lutely. It's blue pill to think otherwise. Even if it's clear shes not your bitch. That's why I feel bad for guys who put their arms around their landwhales in public. Poor fools.

[UlteriorMotive]

In my experiences yes it is.

I'd never wear my expensive watch with a dirty tracksuit.

Attractive things compliment each other and also draw people to them.

I remember getting roasted in school for hanging out with a butter-face, I told them she had a PS2 with Grand Theft Auto 3 but they did not care.

I still bear the scars.

[John_Galt]

I still maintain that merely being seen in the presence of an unattractive girl in public is not an instant DLV, so long as you don't appear to be romantically involved with her.

Now, if you're insecure about it, for example, if you view her as a "dirty tracksuit" it will come across in your demeanor and body language, and women will pick up on this, and be less attracted to you. NOT because you're with an ugly girl, but because you're insecure about the ugly girl. For this reason, for many men it's better to simply avoid being seen in public with unattractive women. Which is perfectly fine! But please do not think you have to ostracize any female friend or family member who is less than aesthetically perfect.

With that said, I would avoid being seen in the same venues too often with unattractive women. Occasionally is fine, but don't make a habit of it, unless the place is somewhere you'd never want to meet women, like a bingo parlor or something. Also, avoid bringing unattractive women with you to a bar or club. In that situation, it's likely they will be viewed as your GF or date, and also ugly women have a higher tendency to cock-block.

[AboveAverageJoe]

Used to be a joke when I was a teenager:
Q: How is riding a moped like going out with a fat chick?
A: It is all fun until a friend sees you.

[preppy]

Yes, you'd have to be a half-wit not to realize this. Obviously there may be circumstances where it's unavoidable like a work function, but if it's via your own willpower it's arguably the strongest DLV in the book.

[AboveAverageJoe]

When a woman has a fat or ugly friend it makes her look better in comparison.
When you have a fat or ugly friend it makes you look like you can't do any better.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Let's clarify:

It's a DLV if you're good looking and she isn't. Otherwise it's neutral. Although I think that was probably assumed.

[Gorgiass]

I haven't field tested talking to ugly girls then going over to a hot set enough to form a definitive opinion on the matter, as I suspect neither has anyone else, but my thought is that it's not a guaranteed dlv.

Some girls will probably view a guy talking to an uggo as a dlv, others won't care, others will view it as a positive. Hot girls go out with ugly and chubby friends all the time, if they viewed being seen with one as a dlv would they be seen with one themselves?

It's a dlv to guys, and us here in particular, because we view a woman's sex appeal as her primary value determinant generally. Women don't share this view.

And remember - there are few dlvs greater than standing alone nursing a beer. A guy having fun talking to an uggo and making her laugh is going to be more attractive to every girl in the place than the guy posted up by himself trying to look cool.

[Pride male]

^That makes sense.

[Matrixdude]

I agree with @Gorgiass

I'd say it's better than nothing too.

The PUA concept of preselection comes to mind.

[Dalaran1991]

Before I care about if others think it's a DLV, my ego would bitch slap me in the face and my eyes would implode out of casastrophic overload, if I'm anywhere near an ugly girl. I'm a connaisseur de beauty and I abhor ugliness in all its form, be it landwhales, faggots or modern arts.

Why are you asking this? Is this a disguised self-confession? You are in South Africa, not the land of the obese.

[Irenicus]

It depends really.


If you are merely in a presence of an ugly woman, that does not mean anything. She might be your cousin whom you are showing the new outlet that just opened. She might be a college from Uni who is going to help you with homework.... .


But, assuming that you are a high SMV value male, being in a relationship with a ugly girl (or doing a "fluid exchange" in a public spot) ain't good. That shows that you do not have standards. That shows you that you are too "thirsty". And so on... .

[Vinny]

I have heard this saying somewhere:

Riding a scooter is like fucking a fat chick, its fun untill your friends see you do it.

I hope that answers your question.

Disclaimer: I am originally from Eastern Europe, so I have never fucked or even kissed a fat chick in my life.

[kaotic]

I've never brought around a fat chick.

If it was a possible SIF we'd go to a very low key dive bar first to confirm, then leave.

If she was cute, then I'd be bouncing a few of my local venues that I take cute girls.


I tend to talk to the prettier girls of our group if we're out, I'm not gonna be a dick and ignore the fatties.

In a social setting, hot girls attract more hot girls, hot girls make great wing women as well and do all the work for you since they're such social creatures.


Any hot piece of ass I was banging or seeing I've brought around friends and other girls.

Think of it as a resume that girls are reviewing, and hamsters that say "how did he get that girl".

[John_Galt]

(10-06-2016 01:54 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  

It depends really.


If you are merely in a presence of an ugly woman, that does not mean anything. She might be your cousin whom you are showing the new outlet that just opened. She might be a college from Uni who is going to help you with homework.... .


But, assuming that you are a high SMV value male, being in a relationship with a ugly girl (or doing a "fluid exchange" in a public spot) ain't good. That shows that you do not have standards. That shows you that you are too "thirsty". And so on... .

Exactly.

The OP did not ask if it was a DLV to BANG fat/ugly chicks, or to DATE them, he asked if merely being SEEN in public with one was a DLV.

I do not make it a point to hang out with unattractive women, but if one is around me in a social setting, I don't act as though she has the plague like some high school cheerleader afraid of being someone who's "not popular" either.

I'm sure there probably are settings in certain cities or areas where merely being around ugly women is an automatic DLV (I addressed this in my original post about settings that imply a romantic relationship) but to point blank state that being in the presence of an ugly woman anywhere at anytime will automatically make you less appealing is completely ridiculous. What if the woman in question is your sister? Your aunt? Your photographer?

I also don't understand why it's assumed the OP would be seen with these women in a bar. There are many other settings in which people are seen in public.

[John_Galt]

Pride Male:

I just noticed that you had started a thread 2 years ago asking if "beta game works on ugly girls".

If I were you, instead of worrying about ugly girls, what works, what doesn't, whether or not being seen with them lowers your value, etc, I would simply work on improving my OWN value and going after women I was attracted to. I think I can say with confidence that nearly every man here has at some point in his life fucked a girl who was a point or 2 above him in looks. I know I have, several times. The beauty of being a man is that we don't have to rely on looks alone. I have a friend who's a fatass, and not great looking either, but he consistently pulls a new 7 at least once a month. And he isn't rich either: He's an assistant manager at Valvoline. Yeah, the oil change place.

Look, you've been around here for a while, have 2000+ posts, obviously you're done some reading and such. I think you're well past the point of needing to "game" ugly girls. Set your sights higher, aim for girls YOU want to fuck, instead of girls you assume will be more likely to want to fuck you.

I promise you, simply changing your mindset about this ONE thing will make you 2 points more attractive to ALL women, period, regardless of your physical characteristics.

[azulsombra]

(10-06-2016 08:09 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Why are you asking this? Is this a disguised self-confession? You are in South Africa, not the land of the obese.

Actually his post makes sense, I am sure this is a frequent concern.

http://www.heartfoundation.co.za/media-r...ty-problem

Close to a 70% female overweight/obesity rate in SA.

[Carmichael Reid]

I ran into someone I used to work with, he knew I saw his girlfriend. I have never seen someone stare at his shoelaces for so long.
This should be a 49th Law of Power: Avoid Fuglies at all Cost.

[Mjölnir]

(10-05-2016 09:59 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

Some girls will probably view a guy talking to an uggo as a dlv, others won't care, others will view it as a positive. Hot girls go out with ugly and chubby friends all the time, if they viewed being seen with one as a dlv would they be seen with one themselves?

It's a dlv to guys, and us here in particular, because we view a woman's sex appeal as her primary value determinant generally. Women don't share this view.

And remember - there are few dlvs greater than standing alone nursing a beer. A guy having fun talking to an uggo and making her laugh is going to be more attractive to every girl in the place than the guy posted up by himself trying to look cool.

Not disagreeing with what you said, but...

Have you seen what girls say about betty when she's not around ?

"OMG, looks like betty put on 10 + lbs, like, if she wasn't heavy enough already"

"IKR !, perhaps if she wasn't drinking that many milkshakes HAHAHAHA"

Women don't have friendships like man do.. If you have a girl, ask her what she thinks about her friends... If she says only good things, you can bet that she's not telling you the truth.

Girls hang with ugly girls because it makes them look better, there is always the 8 on the group that makes herself look like she is a 9 because she's always with a 7 and two 6's. There's always the outlier group, that is three 8's and two 9's, but that's very rare because it's difficult to find that many good looking girls on the same class, workplace, whatever it is they social circle. Unless they're models or work at some job that requires beautifulness.

They don't see each others values based on the same rules that are applied when they look at a man, just like we don't see a man value like we see a chick's.

Guys hang with ugly guys, because if the ugly guy is cool we don't give a fuck about how he looks..

And, about the holding the wall with a beer thing. I doubt that daniel craig suited up drinking a martini holding the wall looking for hotties would be a DLV. If he was talking to a fat ugly chick that would probably confuse the other girls and for some may be a DLV, how much worse would he be with those girls i'm not sure, but definitely wouldn't be better off with the uggo.

But for "normal" guys I believe what you say is true, and if you're at least a 7 in looks + have style, it could be detrimental to your appeal to the prettier girls, they might think there's something wrong with you.

[Gorgiass]

(10-07-2016 09:35 AM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 09:59 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

Some girls will probably view a guy talking to an uggo as a dlv, others won't care, others will view it as a positive. Hot girls go out with ugly and chubby friends all the time, if they viewed being seen with one as a dlv would they be seen with one themselves?

It's a dlv to guys, and us here in particular, because we view a woman's sex appeal as her primary value determinant generally. Women don't share this view.

And remember - there are few dlvs greater than standing alone nursing a beer. A guy having fun talking to an uggo and making her laugh is going to be more attractive to every girl in the place than the guy posted up by himself trying to look cool.

Not disagreeing with what you said, but...

Have you seen what girls say about betty when she's not around ?

"OMG, looks like betty put on 10 + lbs, like, if she wasn't heavy enough already"

"IKR !, perhaps if she wasn't drinking that many milkshakes HAHAHAHA"

Many women would say the first part of the first sentence about a girl in their social circle, significantly less but still a few would say the second part. Very, very few would say the second sentence or anything like it about a girl in their immediate social circle.

(10-07-2016 09:35 AM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

Girls hang with ugly girls because it makes them look better

No. I was banging a very sweet, very pretty girl for several months this summer who was good friends with TWO girls who were 20 lbs overweight and unattractive. Never heard her say anything but good things about them, she genuinely enjoyed their shared occupational and personal interests. I could name off plenty more women I've known just like her. You wouldn't find them at the clubs often or ever, but if that's where you're meeting your women you'd never realize just how many women like her there are in America.

(10-07-2016 09:35 AM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

They don't see each others values based on the same rules that are applied when they look at a man, just like we don't see a man value like we see a chick's.

I already said exactly this above.

(10-07-2016 09:35 AM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

And, about the holding the wall with a beer thing. I doubt that daniel craig suited up drinking a martini holding the wall looking for hotties would be a DLV. If he was talking to a fat ugly chick that would probably confuse the other girls and for some may be a DLV, how much worse would he be with those girls i'm not sure, but definitely wouldn't be better off with the uggo.

You're using not only a male 10 but a fictional one at that. If you think James Bond game actually works you have some approaching to do. This mindset is what let Gmanifesto become a thing here. Obviously the more extreme the SMV gap (what's this imaginary fat ugly girl anyway, a 3? 4?) the more red flags it'd throw up for onlookers. Is it still better than standing there with a drink "looking for hotties"? In almost every case, hell yes!

(10-07-2016 09:35 AM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

But for "normal" guys I believe what you say is true, and if you're at least a 7 in looks + have style, it could be detrimental to your appeal to the prettier girls, they might think there's something wrong with you.

Do 1000 approaches and log your results and we can compare notes.