[philosophical_recovery]

I'm in my 30s. Never married. Never had children that I know of.

Want to be an entrepreneur. Tried a few things. Every day I think about giving up. Lately, this voice has been cropping up in my head telling me to give up, suck down some beers, wine, or whiskey, and just fuck around on the internet all day.

But there's this other voice that I have to nourish, to keep telling me that I can, I will, and I have done better. I've just been in a slump. Don't give up.

You mentioned becoming a millionaire and snagging a younger girl and having lots of kids. My dream too. Why is this out of the picture? Are you a felon? Are you horribly disfigured? Are you disabled?

If not, there's so much yet that you can do. It's okay to be in a slump. But, only if you recognize it as such.

Don't give up on that dream. Hit the gym. Check your testosterone to see if it's messing with your decision and lack of will.

Or give up.

But please don't give up, because I'm rooting for you.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm not the kind of guy that would rule out getting married to a woman that had maybe one kid at most, and a very young one at that, who would never remember much of a life absent me and their forthcoming siblings, particularly if she was a legitimate widow.

If there are multiple kids of any age greater than four and/or if you suspect you will be granted anything less than full authority to discipline them up to and including belting the little fuckers then get used to this.

You can't tell me what to do!



p.s. Take a sharp look at alllllllll the motivations she has to smile and play nice until she closes the barn door on you.

Keep in mind that women, being self delusional sociopaths, are the ultimate method actors. They will literally alter their personality for short periods of time and legitimately buy into their new false persona,
BUT
IT
WILL
NOT
LAST!

Your post reveals everything you need to understand. That fat lazy fuck inside you is saying "you're getting regular sex so just go along with the flow." Never listen to that fat, lazy fuck. He will be the end of you. You will wake up in ten years fucking miserable with your best years behind you, and nobody is going to pat you on the back for "rescuing" .000000000000000000000000001% of the world's fatherless population, who may actually end up hating your guts because you never measured up the imaginary super-dad the universe robbed them of.

[Cr33pin]

I think marriage is pretty much a bad idea in general.. with exceptions of course. However marriage changes everything, the whole dynamic of the relationship. It's usually once girls get married that they start to let themselves go...seems like this girl already has it in her to let her self go but switched it around to try to find a husband. A lot of guys on the forum have different views of life and what we want out of it and whats acceptable and whats not but all this is subjective. Not everyone is built to travel around the world banging random sluts well into the later years of their life. An not everyone is built to settle down with some good hearted chubby girl and raise someone else's kids...

Also to the last point of my statement above... why so much hate for being around to raise kids that aren't yours? Personally its not really something I would want to do but if someone loves a girl and shes a good girl who just happens to have a kid why is it SOOOOOO bad to be a father figure for a bastard kid. It's like your condemning the kids to grow up without a father figure cause raising kids that aren't your is not "Alpha"

[Cattle Rustler]

You know what OP, you should marry her.

That is what you want to hear. So go on man, marry her and give us quarterly updates on how it's going.

You keep trying to rationalize what we tell you, so might as well tell you what you want to hear.

[david.garrett84]

(08-30-2016 02:23 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:14 AM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

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I must say, were I not worried that, without her, I will have no future, I wouldn't.

Key sentence of the whole original post.

Plenty of men have married women they felt they had no future without and the results are almost always a) disastrous or b) demonstrative of a life they could have done much better at.

Get you, David. Totally get you. But I have the nagging fucking question of, "CAN i do better?" I have never started a business. I've never made any real money. I haven't. And with the first wife, who was extremely spoiled and materialistic, I distinctly felt my lack of "success". With this chick, it's easy 'cause I don't need to worry about it. If anything, my financial situation would improve as well.

The job abroad is a teaching gig, man. A teaching gig. Big fucking whoop. Where is that going to take me? I already feel like it's taking five steps backward.

No, marrying someone is not a solution to this but I also worry I'll never fucking find anyone who'll not be a bitchy, hateful fucking cunt because she doesn't live in a mansion with a cleaning lady.

You said, "Plenty of men have married women they felt they had no future without." Is there a particular reason this tends to happen? Is it 'cause they're rich girls? (She's not rich but does well, for the record.)

Sure, your first wife was a bitch. But if marrying this new woman allows you to dull your own quest for success, however defined by you, you're making a mistake.

If you're choosing comfort over fulfilment, leave the relationship, even if she wasn't overweight and didn't have kids already.

Why they marry these girls is easy... One-itis, number one, and secondly, on a related theme, the vast majority of men are at least 50% blue pill.

[Conscious Pirate]

(08-30-2016 01:34 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

...But I feel trapped...

...I'm thinking, is it worth it to throw this relationship away over this?...

...without her, I will have no future, I wouldn't...

From someone who has felt & relates to all of these emotions, this is classic post-pull ONEITIS.

Ponder that. And you are only "trapping" yourself here brother.

EDIT: And what David Garrett said above. Couldn't agree more. Great input from an highly rational male.

[Going strong]

(08-30-2016 01:34 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

Gonna keep it as short as possible.

Met overweight chick last winter. Divorced, has little kids. Smart as fuck. Vibe perfectly. Good mother, firm grip on finances, head for business.

head for business, as in? She has ideas about how to invest your savings, maybe? Or did she start herself a business with her own money? Not quite the same thing.

[Mercenary]

OP (Fathom) - how old are you and how old is this woman you want to marry ?

[Fathom]

(08-30-2016 02:45 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

seems like this girl already has it in her to let her self go but switched it around to try to find a husband.

I don't mean to seem like I'm arguing against the well-intentioned advice all you guys are giving me. Not in any way. I just want to point one thing out, because life is usually more complicated than a post can explain.

This girl was hot when she was young. I've seen pictures. Round ass, huge tits. She got trapped into a marriage that was basically a business transaction. Guy was a parasite in every sense of the word. Abusive, passive aggressive, manipulative. He intentionally skewed her self image, made her dislike herself. Many, many, many years later, stuck in a home practically as a slave with this guy, will do a number on you.

I'm just explaining.
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[Fathom]

(08-30-2016 02:55 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

head for business, as in? She has ideas about how to invest your savings, maybe? Or did she start herself a business with her own money? Not quite the same thing.

I don't have any savings to speak of. No, most definitely the latter.

(08-30-2016 02:56 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

OP (Fathom) - how old are you and how old is this woman you want to marry ?

We're both the same age, late thirties.

[Conscious Pirate]

(08-30-2016 03:00 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

He intentionally skewed her self image, made her dislike herself.

This is fallacious thinking.

No one "makes" another do anything. She allowed it. End of story.

Is someone who can't accept personal responsibility a person you want to do this for?

[david.garrett84]

(08-30-2016 03:00 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:45 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

seems like this girl already has it in her to let her self go but switched it around to try to find a husband.

I don't mean to seem like I'm arguing against the well-intentioned advice all you guys are giving me. Not in any way. I just want to point one thing out, because life is usually more complicated than a post can explain.

This girl was hot when she was young. I've seen pictures. Round ass, huge tits. She got trapped into a marriage that was basically a business transaction. Guy was a parasite in every sense of the word. Abusive, passive aggressive, manipulative. He intentionally skewed her self image, made her dislike herself. Many, many, many years later, stuck in a home practically as a slave with this guy, will do a number on you.

I'm just explaining.

She's self-reported this about him to you. Doesn't mean it's real.

95% of people in this world of ours will blame their weight, lack of career, finances etc on another person.

Plus, many women hate themselves before they fatten.

If she put up with him, regardless of any unacceptable behavior he MAY have contributed, she is still causally responsible for her weight.

OP, my friend, I am warning you: this marriage will probably go very, very badly. You may even get five years of what you think is happiness. Maybe your whole lifetime. But it will be a smokescreen. We can live our entire lives under an illusion.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-30-2016 03:00 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:45 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

seems like this girl already has it in her to let her self go but switched it around to try to find a husband.

I don't mean to seem like I'm arguing against the well-intentioned advice all you guys are giving me. Not in any way. I just want to point one thing out, because life is usually more complicated than a post can explain.

This girl was hot when she was young. I've seen pictures. Round ass, huge tits. She got trapped into a marriage that was basically a business transaction. Guy was a parasite in every sense of the word. Abusive, passive aggressive, manipulative. He intentionally skewed her self image, made her dislike herself. Many, many, many years later, stuck in a home practically as a slave with this guy, will do a number on you.

I'm just explaining.

And your source on the terribleness of this man and his terrible, terrible crimes against wifedom is...

Or in other words, lets cumulatively as an entire forum come together to add up the number of times ANY of us have heard a female divorcee admit to being even HALF responsible for the breakup of a marriage.

You know what, lets even include anecdotal "friend of friend" admissions and publicly stated admissions on social media, television, radio, newspapers, tabloids, etc.

In short, lets add up all the times any woman in the world has admitted that they were equally if not mostly at fault for a divorce. Half points for an admission of any fault whatsoever, no matter how small.

[david.garrett84]

I wish you all the best, OP, but I'm disengaging from this thread.

We're heading into paralysis by analysis territory.

I've written 200+ articles on ROK and many of the other guys offering advice to you here in this thread are Roosh V Forum equivalents to my work in terms of both quantity and quality. We are not gods, but we have good experience sensing the wind and acting on it. I'm including both the guys who agreed with me and those with different views; it's up to you to decide.

You would not believe how many screwed up stories we ROK writers research for every one article we produce. Plenty of undoubtedly genuine and well-meaning guys like you have been sucked into the whirlpool. They either directly suffer or, worse yet often, half-consciously watch their dreams die.

You should know the risks of any decision you make. Now you need to decide and, yes, procrastinating is a decision.

What I stress totally, though, is that any break-up is done in a way that your financial and material interests are preserved. Don't make sudden announcements that throw you into shit creek because you didn't act strategically.

[Fathom]

(08-30-2016 03:14 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

In short, lets add up all the times any woman in the world has admitted that they were equally if not mostly at fault for a divorce. Half points for an admission of any fault whatsoever, no matter how small.

Don't doubt what you're saying but he passed away.

Thankful for all the comments and advice. Extremely.

[Mercenary]

(08-30-2016 03:02 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:56 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

OP (Fathom) - how old are you and how old is this woman you want to marry ?

We're both the same age, late thirties.

You did not specify how many children she actually has.
She is going to hit menopause soon and her pussy will dry up....only marry her if you can get her pregnant enough times to outnumber the children she already has.....meaning if she has 3, you gotta put at least 4 babies into that expiring womb.

[Fathom]

Thanks, David.

We have no legal ties, so that's good. She actually asked me to sign a pre-nup. But anyway.

Thanks again.

[Mage]

A man who marries a woman who has children under monogamous rules is a loser. I am more certain of this then of the fact that earth is not flat. Don't do it!

Cancel all arrangements and Get her out of your life ASAP - cry in a pillow for a month, bleed your heart out, but after six months you will fell like you are a cool guy who has matrix powers and has dodged a bullet. If you leave her I promise that in six months time after completely sewering all contact with her much more beautiful, more younger and more baggage-less women as well as fortune, luck, more money, sense of fulfillment and wholeness will magically teleport into your life.

[Fathom]

(08-30-2016 03:20 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

You did not specify how many children she actually has.
She is going to hit menopause soon and her pussy will dry up....only marry her if you can get her pregnant enough times to outnumber the children she already has.....meaning if she has 3, you gotta put at least 4 babies into that expiring womb.

Wait, why? I mean, what difference would it make if our kids outnumbered the ones she already has?

[Leonard D Neubache]

Womanspeak guide:

I got fat and sexless because he lost interest in me = I got fat and sexless and he lost interest in me.

He was irresponsible with money = after I kept wasting his money he decided to waste it first.

Not always, but mostly. In fact, nearly always.

[The Beast1]

Delete

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-30-2016 03:23 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:20 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

You did not specify how many children she actually has.
She is going to hit menopause soon and her pussy will dry up....only marry her if you can get her pregnant enough times to outnumber the children she already has.....meaning if she has 3, you gotta put at least 4 babies into that expiring womb.

Wait, why? I mean, what difference would it make if our kids outnumbered the ones she already has?

I'm just going to say this flat out.

You obviously have no fucking idea of what you're walking in to. And I'm being nice about this. If you weren't engaged then I'd say "slow down".

You options are now limited to "walk over the cliff" of "fucking eject".

[Fathom]

(08-30-2016 03:22 AM)Mage Wrote:  

A man who marries a woman who has children under monogamous rules is a loser. I am more certain of this then of the fact that earth is not flat. Don't do it!

Cancel all arrangements and Get her out of your life ASAP - cry in a pillow for a month, bleed your heart out, but after six months you will fell like you are a cool guy who has matrix powers and has dodged a bullet. If you leave her I promise that in six months time after completely sewering all contact with her much more beautiful, more younger and more baggage-less women as well as fortune, luck, more money, sense of fulfillment and wholeness will magically teleport into your life.

Baggageless, yes. Younger, hotter, yep. But what about marriage material? Never mind this chick I am talking about now. What about finding the actual marriage material?

My first wife was an abysmal failure in every way. A vagina on life support. Western women (European, North American, Australian, especially white chicks) are fucking ruined by feminist claptrap. No maternal instinct remains, much less the need to take care of a man or be good mothers. Cock carousel-riding career whores with nasty fucking mouths, especially the American variety. The young, hot ones will only want money.

The Asian chicks are super hot but weak, frail, childish, and only want money.

I'm not going to marry an African or Middle Eastern chick, so that's out.

Where, then, do you find a girl who is young, hot, and worthy of marriage? Never mind the fuck spree, I can take care of that with no problem. Where are the wife types left in this world?

Russia? Eastern Europe?

Where.

[The Beast1]

NO!

Red flag 1: divorced
Red flag 2: Kids
Red flag 3: overweight
Red flag 4: losing weight not because you told her to lose weight (i'm doing it for myself is BS, she's doing it for male attention).
Red 5: People are pressuring you to marry.

Run! Do not walk away from this woman. Your gut is speaking to you. LISTEN!

The only circumstances you should marry a woman with children is if she is a widow. Otherwise they're damaged goods.

Take the job abroad and forget about this chick. I say this as a man who is married. She is NOT marriagable material.

[Mercenary]

(08-30-2016 03:23 AM)Fathom Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 03:20 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

You did not specify how many children she actually has.
She is going to hit menopause soon and her pussy will dry up....only marry her if you can get her pregnant enough times to outnumber the children she already has.....meaning if she has 3, you gotta put at least 4 babies into that expiring womb.

Wait, why? I mean, what difference would it make if our kids outnumbered the ones she already has?

It makes a huge difference. Both now in making her submit to you and later when her previous children and your children with her are older and fight eachother.
You need to outbreed her previous husband or get a better girl.
If you are dead set on this aging woman...then this is the only way this situation can possibly turn out well.