[Vet-Boy]

Okay gentlemen, I've been lurking for quite a while now and since I've recently been approved to join the forum I wanted to make my first post to both, a) introduce myself and b) seek the valuable information you players have to share. This will be in chunks because of its length so prepare hahaha.

About Me:

I'm 18 years old (young I know) and just started my freshman year of veterinary college 2 weeks ago in Punjab, India. I was born and raised in Canada, a city in the Greater Toronto Area to be more specific. High school was a good experience for me, I went to a catholic school and was automatically thrown into the more popular crowd. I got a very good amount of attention from girls in freshman year; esspecially the indian ones. But alas i was a beta bitch and never took action. Sophmore and junior years i took some action and got a good number of make outs and such but no real legitimate play. Senior year i was mainly focused on school so that i could make good enough grades to get into my current school so i didnt really spend to much time after girls. i went on a 1 week long student organized trip to montreal, and was quite successful with girls, but again didnt get much more than make outs, and sucking on tits in the hotel room because i was lacking in the experience department and was a scared little bitch. I literally had this 7.5/10 black girl in my room sucking on her tits, rubbing her pussy and then couldnt get past some resistance because my fearful beta white knight kicked in and basically thought any further attempt at escalation could be considered rape.. Anyways the trip was great and was one of the only tastes i got of what highschool life was like for some people (i didnt get invited to many big parties). I got my 1st notch 1 week after the trip and also my 18th birthday (which was during the trip) in my parents car with a 7/10 indian girl after about 1 month of talking to her. She was very down from the get go. Moving forward i fucked up another chance to get laid with this other girl by being a scared little bitch by not claiming her or even taking her to prom (thought i was too cool to take anyone to prom). This is the main reason i didnt get pussy in highschool, because i was either to scared to date or basically "talk" to (claim) any of the girls that liked me for fear of being judged by my "friends" who would just bring me down all the time out of jealousy or my own inability to stand up for myself. I also had very severe acne up until senior year which did a number on my confidence. I now have acne scars which im actively working to minimize and possibly get rid of ( the ones that look like craters on my cheeks and temples). I've now released the poisonous friends i used to have and spend more time with the very first friend i ever had (met him when i was 3 and he was 6) who is basically an older brother to me and through which i've met other older friends/brothers. They are about 21 years old and oddly enoughIve always drifted towards hanging with the older kids when i was younger, which was great at the time but would leave me alone when they would move from elementary to middle school to highschool to college, etc. Even now at the veterinary college i spend most of my time with the 4th year seniors that my cousin introduced me to (the program is 5 years). some of you may be wondering why i chose to do my specific degree and esspecially in india of all places. The short answer is that it is cheaper and 4 years shorter here than it is in canada. Paired with the fact that i do not have to work a shitty job to pay for everyday expenses (food and excursions like movies are very cheap here) it was a very appealing choice. In prder to make myself more appealing and raise my SMV Ive taken to trying out for the folk dance (Bhangra) team which performs at the annual youth fest in november ( set myself apart from the other guys) as well as at other schools. Ive also fast tracked every effort i can to fix my ac joint injury that i got in september 2015 so that i can make a return to the gym (i was in very good shape after working out all of sophmore year and summer just before the injury so muscle memory will return me to my previous form in just a few months).

[Vet-Boy]

The Advice I Seek:

Having read the india threads already and being Indian myself (Punjabi to be exact) I knew i would have my work cut out for me, but the fact that i'm in a college atmosphere, surrounded by (very mostly) guys who have never kissed a girl, let alone had sex, and hold a valuable status of a foreign Indian; i may be able to turn the odds to my favour. That is with the local girls though. The thing with my program is that they let a certain amount of non resident indians or people of indian origin for the program every year and in my batch im accompanied by 8 girls and 11 dudes all from either canada or the US
6/8 girls ( ages 17- maybe 19) are attractive, and one of them being an 8+. The dudes range from age 18-25, a good number of whom are beta orbiters and virgins (the younger ones). Looks wise i feel i have them all beat, (or if not will once i am able to hit the gym after having my chronic ac joint separation taken care of). The only problem i can forsee is the incredibly hard cockblocking thats going to take place as we are all fighting for the same plates. I already experienced this once where i was opened by one of the girls who happened to be from the same city as me and almost immediately had one of the other guys jump into the conversation and totally ruin what rapport i was trying to build. I dont really have much interest in befriending many of these guys for this reason, as well as the fact that i just plain cant feel myself "click" with them (except one). There are also senior foreign indian students but i dont really see them as much of a threat since they recieve very little contact with my batch and are overall just a bunch of spoiled washups who couldnt make it in canada and were sent here by their rich parents as a final effort to make something of them. Also to add, the batch is split into 2 classes. Mine contains all but 1 or the foreign indian guys (from canada or us like me) and only 2 of the girls. The more attractive girl is drooled over by all these guys and is white knighted for constantly. The other class contains the other 4 attractive foreign girls (including the 8+) and the 2 non attractive ones whom i'm having trouble trying to establish contact with (gonna start going to the library regularly in hopes of maybe running into them and getting extra work done).

So the advice I'm really here to seek from you guys is how do i divert or redirect all the cockblocks that are bound to happen in the future?

How do i set myself apart from them while also not seeming like a loner in class?

Should i deny the attractive girl the attention she gets from all the other guys in class and give it to the other girls (locals included) in order to establish a sort of competitiveness amungst them or alpha factor?

Should I care what "judgements" the foreign guys (the local guys are much cooler and will more likely try to follow my lead than sabotage me and get all of us nowhere) will make of me when they see me talking to the local girls? or any slander they may spread to the foreign girls from envy?

How is a good way to overcome the clique barrier that the foreign girls have almost definately established when trying to talk to more than one of them?

Should i just go one by one over the course of the next few years while maybe shifting my attention to freshmen every once and a while?

Should i be outright ballsy and straight away start sitting beside the local girls in class?

[Vet-Boy]

My Plans/Ideas (So far):

From what i can tell i will almost definately have to commit to a single girl for a measurable period of time in order to get anything so my best chance at getting with the other girls as well would be to be a total sex god on the girl i've committed to so that if she tells her friends, my value will rise in their eyes to the point where dating/fucking their friend's ex is not a real internal problem later.

Logistics wise my position is pretty poor as the only rooms we have access to are our dorms, in which the opposite sex is not allowed so ive talked to my dad about getting a car next semester. If things get really heated a washroom or just a field could substituts fairly well.

I want to distance myself from the other guys to the point where its just a "hey whats up" or only talk about class work, sort of thing as i have no desire to be surrounded by guys who will quickly turn on me for the chance at a hug or some attention from a bitch. The local seniors are more than enough company for me and I have a room to myself where i can recollect myself if ever need be (if being surrounded by them changes me in an unfavourable way).

I will run strong isolation game where i will take every opportunity to have just me and the girl(s) together with out cock blocking presence. Whether it take place in the library, at the parks or the many cafés.

If all else fails i have made sure to keep contact with many girls from back home so that i can undo whatever celibacy i may be forced into here in my two month summer break. (maybe even take a trip to SEA if i can earn the money for it)

Ive challenged myself to not engage in any masturbation (nofap) until i get some real play, so that i dont grow satisfied with nuts from stroking my own cock profusely to porn like all the other guys.

For dates and such there is a nice coffee place just outside the university and the driving here is very dangerous so i am really pushing my cousin to teach me how to drive his motor bike and the traffic rules (may take a month or so) so that i can borrow it for the dates.

Working out and dancing for better SMV was mentioned earlier, but style wise im really just going to have to wait till the colder months since its really hard to dress fashionable in 30 degree and 80%+ humidity weather. But i am open to any suggestions that may help me out in this department.

[Vet-Boy]

So:

It took me quite a while to write this and i have many more questions and details to add for you guys but i'll stop here and just add any relevent ones later as (or if) this thread progresses.

Hopefully this isnt too bad of a first post, Thanks guys

[Off The Reservation]

(09-11-2016 12:27 PM)Vet-Boy Wrote:  

I've recently been approved to join the forum

Approval code 4329BS9099.3b revoked

[Vet-Boy]

I'm sorry what? Edit: please be trolling

[TornadoByProxy]

He's joking. And newbies shouldn't accuse veterans of trolling if they want advice.

[TornadoByProxy]

You need a ton of guidance but I don't have time for all that.

Get the acne thing under control. Spare no expense to get a good complexion.
Nothing else you do will matter.

Hit the gym hard. Indians have small frames and don't lift. It is easy to stand out by getting even a little muscle on you.

Do not even consider the girls in your classes. The lazy guys in your classes and going to hit them up nonstop. They're never going to go out and find more girls. Don't waste your time. Look at these girls like buddies and focus on the other 100M girls in India.

The motorbike will be great. You can pull the "chill foreign lifter who rides a bike" thing.

It's good that you're thinking about logistics but don't overthink it. Talk to older guys and find out what they do. Take girls for rides on your bike and discover new places with them.

About the cock blocking, it's only a problem if you let it be. Just ignore it. If you're not chasing the girls in your classes, it's not an issue. But in general, the best thing is to never spend enough time with any girl for a guy to get in. Only talk to the girls for a minute and then move on. Be sure to leave them with a good interaction. Once they start seeking conversations with you, then you have no problems with cock blockers cause the girl sought you out.

Study hard and get good grades. Remember why you are there.

[Cattle Rustler]

Why would you even go to college in India?

[WeekendCasanova]

Your 'about me' section is cancerous on the eyes. Separate that section of text into smaller chunks if you want people to read it.

[Vet-Boy]

@TornadoByProxy thanks for the advice and i didnt mean to throw around any accusations. Believe it or not cars or just large vehicles in general are looked at with the same prestige in india we hold for nice motorcycles back home in the west. But still the car is on wait for close to a year anyway so i will follow your direction.

[Vet-Boy]

@CattleRustler In Canada and US a bachelors in veterinary sciences degree can only be done post grad, therefore 4 years and 30k in an undergrad would be wasted when they could be put to better use touring the world when im 23 and licensed as a doctor back home.

@WeekendCasanova Sure thing will do

Edit: the 60 minute bracket for edits expired.. Hope some guys will take the time to read it anyway to better understand my situation and give suitable advice for it

[Vet-Boy]

Bumping for some more advice

[Le Siamois]

Acne scars? Get some coconut oil. Worked like a charm for me.

[Vet-Boy]

@DonPablo I have the depressed type of acne scars and am using microneedling to help fill them in, but I'll give the coconut oil a shot as like a before bed thing, thanks man.

UPDATE: I've been following TornadoByProxy's advice and am getting increasing attention from the girls in my classes, will start day gaming/cold approaching girls from other programs after i've learned to drive motorbikes (maybe 3 more weeks or so given my schedule).

Any other tips and pieces of advice would be greatly appreciated guys

[Off The Reservation]

update?

[Vet-Boy]

Update:

General:

Social status amung local girls has gotten even higher as i won the equivalent of prom king at a party the 2nd years throw every year for the new freshmen. Was dressed very well, was fun and outgoing, etc.

Have gained 30lbs of weight since november, and gotten much stronger (check out my thread in weightlifting and fitness), respect from males, lots looks and extra attention from the girls in my batch when the shirt came off during a school trip to the mountains when swimming at a waterfall.

Have built a sort of adventurous image by going on a few trips through out this year and doing cool things like sneaking out and summitting a mountain with a friend near our camp site on the school trip for example.

I do well in school considering ive always studied the day before exams and cleared them with 70s, whereas most Nri students struggle to pass, esspecially the girls.

Cocky asshole game is my main go to.

Girls:

No lays yet

On the line:

8/10 local, 1 year my senior
- petite and very cute, light skin
- amazing hips and ass, tight waist
- virgin
- Very hard to escalate beyond rubbing her pussy through her clothes
- never had her in a room, only movie theatres and school field at night a couple days ago
- very comfortable with my hands on her
- has long distance boyfriend, whos existance i ignore for obvious reasons but she still tries to bring up anyway
- Wants ltr with me, i divert her with things like "go with the flow" "i like what we've got and want to see it grow organically"
- comfortable with having her hands on my dick or having it pressed up against her vag and ass (through clothes sadly) but gives tons of resistance when trying to escalate further
- Goes out of her way for me when i often flake on her

6/10 local, same year
- great tits, much browner skin
- gotten just as far with the 8/10
- basically fell into my lap, letting me slip my hands under her bra, make out and rubbing her pussy (again through her pants sadly) on the first date in the movie theatre after low effort messages through snapchat and instagram
- virgin

Neither girls call me their boyfriend, or expect comittment.

Ive actually had them say to "go hang out with your other girls" to which i would always reply with something witty

made sure to try the secret society stuff by acting non judgemental (works great in diffusing resistance but havent mastered it enough to get to the lay yet)

I really need help breaking the virgin barrier since they always make sex a huge deal and throw resistance

Both have sent me sexy unrequested pictures of them out of the shower wrapped in towel, no nudes though

Prospects:

Locals- School years coming to an end and ill be returning home within a month. Some of them have tons of potential (i mean 7s who would be 9s back home if they had access to better dress and a little makeup) also very easy to hook from my experience, just a little text conversation goes a long way thanks to social status and looks. I'm going use what ive learned this year and hone it to try and get lays come september.

NRI- same year

Girl #1 8/10
- from same city back home
- shy
- 1 year older than me, still a virgin
- showed interest, invited my friend and i out on trips or bike riding, I turned it down
- I playfully pushed for coffee together, but told me the time didnt work for her, but we should go do something together with some other friends
- Word came back to me about her saying to someone that she rejected me

Didnt care about the rumour, just confused on what to make of it, do i next, or do i just be persistant with careless flirting

Girl #2 7/10 average face amazing body
- also 1 year older
- has banged 3 dudes since she got here, virgin on arrival
- shows interest but is involved with some local dude
- i make sexual jokes and go all out cocky ass hole to which she responds positively

Hesitant to push forward but will go with the "lets study together excuse" this weekend to keep plausible deniability

Help required:

How to push for lays with the virgins

What to do with prospects?

Anything i could do to improve social status further?

Ive kept the 2 girls on the line a total secret and only my close friends know, will bringing them more into light and view of other girls be positive or negative?

Keep in mind this is india. I've kept them secret and d-low because the guys here gossip like high school girls and i didnt want girls to be scared off in fear of damaging their reputations. Trying to keep the secret society vibe going.

Currently have weak logistics since i dont have a place besides my dorm where girls arent allowed or a car. Both of which will hopefully change come september.

I have done 0 day and night game while here, hoping to change that soon, but my city and indian culture makes these to things a bit harder if youre not balling and rolling in high end social circles (clubs charge huge cover fees, even though they are more of couples' lounges than clubs at all).

No mma gyms nearby

May pickup bachata but am hesitant because i am not sure if the instructors are reliable.

[Vet-Boy]

I took the time to read through my original post and just have to add that I've changed a lot since then.

Ive become a lot more laid back and relaxed about everything, esspecially in interactions with girls. It all just flows now thanks to all the inner game ive gained from this experience.

I guess the shock of being dropped in this country and my parents expectations made me pretty damn up tight and almost robotic in terms of social interaction. I was essentially had an "I'm holier than you" complex going on.

Oddly enough im actually really good friends with the guys i used to want nothing to do with, and have reduced the amount of time i spend with people i used to spend all my time with like some locals (seniors excluded).

It was scary when i realized i started to grow some of the attributes of an IRT, like totally misunderstanding normal behaviour for IOIs and joining in thirst fueled gossiping of "what i would do" rather than actually doing it

A new enviroment really forces you to grow, and I'm thankful to RVF for being there with me on this journey.

This is just the begining of greater things to come, im sure of it.