[Fortis]

I think this thread brings up a very good point that all players should be aware of when dealing with Chinese chicks. I had to learn this one the hard way and many of you will have to as well, but it bears mentioning:

When you scrape the bottom of the barrel (especially with Chinese chicks) do not be surprised when they try to pull the wool over your eyes or fuck you over.

Story time:

I once invited a chick off off of tantan or wechat nearby to my apartment and she almost started a physical fight after I banged her because I wouldn't give her money.

This bitch was acting like I was taking food off the table, but I refused to budge and she left.

I did some snooping around about this chick and it turns out this bitch is a landlord in Huizhou! For those of you who aren't familiar, Huizhou is a suburb/city near Shenzhen. If you own a few properties in Huizhou you have money. Lots of rich dudes in SZ buy houses in Huizhou so they can chill outside of SZ with a mistress or two on their down time.

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

The chick was not attractive and she was a bit older (32-35) and I was definitely punching down on that bang.

I often warn newer Americans in china about the perils of KTV girls, old chicks and other danger magnets in china. They may be hot, but I don't want to hear it when something bad happens when you go after those sorts of girls.



Weird chicks online who are sheepish about meeting up for months on end? Total danger magnet in my book.

[Kapostatus13]

This dude is the definition of a mega simp. He flew all the way to China looking like that and expecting to date some Asian beauty. If he took one good look in the mirror he would realize he isn't worth no beauty. He's unattractive and looks like a heavy drug addict. What he needs is to get his health on track. I don't realize how delusional men can be, talk about some serious entitlement issues. In the game you can't get whatever you want, women do the choosing.

She must of saw him at the airport and ended up booking a flight out the country to get away from him. LOLLL

[Fortis]

^ What you have to realize about China is that dudes who look that way can very often land a cute chick, especially if that chick is from a small village and doesn't know what a good looking white person looks like. This goes double for dudes with something else going on like musical talent, business acumen or other things.

I occasionally see some stunners with total dweebs: old dudes, ugly dudes or just plain weird dudes.

[Fast Eddie]

(08-04-2016 04:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think this thread brings up a very good point that all players should be aware of when dealing with Chinese chicks. I had to learn this one the hard way and many of you will have to as well, but it bears mentioning:

When you scrape the bottom of the barrel (especially with Chinese chicks) do not be surprised when they try to pull the wool over your eyes or fuck you over.

Story time:

I once invited a chick off off of tantan or wechat nearby to my apartment and she almost started a physical fight after I banged her because I wouldn't give her money.

This bitch was acting like I was taking food off the table, but I refused to budge and she left.

I did some snooping around about this chick and it turns out this bitch is a landlord in Huizhou! For those of you who aren't familiar, Huizhou is a suburb/city near Shenzhen. If you own a few properties in Huizhou you have money. Lots of rich dudes in SZ buy houses in Huizhou so they can chill outside of SZ with a mistress or two on their down time.

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

The chick was not attractive and she was a bit older (32-35) and I was definitely punching down on that bang.

I often warn newer Americans in china about the perils of KTV girls, old chicks and other danger magnets in china. They may be hot, but I don't want to hear it when something bad happens when you go after those sorts of girls.



Weird chicks online who are sheepish about meeting up for months on end? Total danger magnet in my book.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

[DarkTriad]

(08-02-2016 07:00 PM)Suits Wrote:  

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Good post, but you're missing a big hunk of her game here. "Plastic surgery" doesn't make your phone stop working. There wasn't any plastic surgery to begin with, she's just setting up her "botched plastic surgery which is why I don't look like my picture anymore" game.

[Fortis]

(08-04-2016 02:44 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 04:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

Eddie, I didn't say that you should only go for chicks who come straight over to your apartment. That's a great way to get herpes. I can only think of a few girls who did that with me, but the one who started a fight with me is the one that really stands out. On the other hand, I have had a girl or two come over, fuck and never bother me again. I am still of the opinion that that is not so common in a place like Shenzhen.

Sure, I laugh at dudes for the same thing. I know of a foreigner who was here for 2 weeks and got the clap off of some chick he fucked in a KTV. I told him that KTV girls are soft (or even hard) prostitutes and that he should have known better.

All the other dudes in the room were arguing with me about it, but the proof is in the pudding. Don't fuck KTV girls if you value your health.

I have told dudes here that going on 2-3 dates with a decent chick is common and expected. It takes some guys, especially americans, a little time to adjust because a 3 date bang is very uncommon. 3 days with a chick without so much as a kiss close is usually friendzone territory in a place like NY/NJ. All that considered it isn't that hard to pull ONS here if you utilize your extended social circle and invite already warmed up girls for dinner and stuff.

I banged a few ex-students of mine that way. I hated being an english teacher, but teaching adults seems to have been well worth it from a pussy perspective. A lot of girls were looking to get fucked on the low.


When I say super evasive I'm talking about the sorts of girls who you message on tantan or meet in person, snag their wechats and then try to schedule a meet up with but never hear from again until they get bored and message you. These girls are seemingly nice and many are attractive, but they have no intention of ever meeting you and they will string you along and waste your time. I see this a lot. I occasionally see dudes in wechat groups asking "what do I say to her to get her to meet up with me."

There is nothing you can say to those chicks. They have made up their mind that they want a foreign penpal and you are it.

There are LOTS of girls who are online simply to hang out and waste your time. I don't mind talking to a chick for a bit to get her warmed up to me, but if she is always unwilling to meet up then she's low value in my book. A high-value chick could just get English lessons instead of lying to dudes online and pretending they want to meet up.

Point blank: if she won't meet up with you after you spend a bit of time building rapport with her, then she's low value and not worth pursuing.

[Il Bersagliere]

(08-05-2016 01:42 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 02:44 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 04:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

Eddie, I didn't say that you should only go for chicks who come straight over to your apartment. That's a great way to get herpes. I can only think of a few girls who did that with me, but the one who started a fight with me is the one that really stands out. On the other hand, I have had a girl or two come over, fuck and never bother me again. I am still of the opinion that that is not so common in a place like Shenzhen.

Sure, I laugh at dudes for the same thing. I know of a foreigner who was here for 2 weeks and got the clap off of some chick he fucked in a KTV. I told him that KTV girls are soft (or even hard) prostitutes and that he should have known better.

All the other dudes in the room were arguing with me about it, but the proof is in the pudding. Don't fuck KTV girls if you value your health.

I have told dudes here that going on 2-3 dates with a decent chick is common and expected. It takes some guys, especially americans, a little time to adjust because a 3 date bang is very uncommon. 3 days with a chick without so much as a kiss close is usually friendzone territory in a place like NY/NJ. All that considered it isn't that hard to pull ONS here if you utilize your extended social circle and invite already warmed up girls for dinner and stuff.

I banged a few ex-students of mine that way. I hated being an english teacher, but teaching adults seems to have been well worth it from a pussy perspective. A lot of girls were looking to get fucked on the low.


When I say super evasive I'm talking about the sorts of girls who you message on tantan or meet in person, snag their wechats and then try to schedule a meet up with but never hear from again until they get bored and message you. These girls are seemingly nice and many are attractive, but they have no intention of ever meeting you and they will string you along and waste your time. I see this a lot. I occasionally see dudes in wechat groups asking "what do I say to her to get her to meet up with me."

There is nothing you can say to those chicks. They have made up their mind that they want a foreign penpal and you are it.

There are LOTS of girls who are online simply to hang out and waste your time. I don't mind talking to a chick for a bit to get her warmed up to me, but if she is always unwilling to meet up then she's low value in my book. A high-value chick could just get English lessons instead of lying to dudes online and pretending they want to meet up.

Point blank: if she won't meet up with you after you spend a bit of time building rapport with her, then she's low value and not worth pursuing.

What would you say for a more westernized place like HK/SH? Are the women more willing to meet up or do they do the whole "I wanna learn English" rigmarole? I do not have that much China experience to tell, but would a large foreign presence change that vibe?

I like the idea of China and I'm open to it. I just do not like a slow dating/banging pace.

[Fortis]

I don't know about HK or SH really. I think Fast Eddie is in SH.

Honestly, you can sort of circumvent the whole 3 dating thing if you pick dates with chicks you like. That way the second date is at your apartment for movie/dinner/wine tasting and then bang. Another way that I skirt going on super long dates is by banging chicks I meet through my social circle. They're already pre-warmed up and willing to come chill at my spot for the first or second date.

The "I want to learn English" rigamarole can be circumvented if they will meet up with you. I've had a girl come over at 10pm to "study english" and I gave her a lesson in getting banged. The thing to remember is to watch their actions, not their words. A girl may say she wants to study english, but she comes to your apartment in a short shorts and just smile and giggle at you.






Honestly, black man to black man, I might check out other spots in Asia before I come to China. I am not saying don't come at all, but I think many black men here would agree that it can be tough. China has a bit of a learning curve for black dudes (especially black dudes who don't speak Mandarin), so it can be a lot more challenging than the Phils or Thailand, but I do enjoy it here, so I'm not complaining. If you want an idea of how tough it was for me, then just go check out the old posts I made in the Shenzhen thread. Lots and lots of LOLS there.

The other thing that destroys dudes early on is that it seems like their "game" isn't working. A lot of game fundamentals, like cocky and funny, are actually counter-productive if you're dealing with some chick who speaks low-level English and just wants to hang out with a nice foreigner.

I've had to unlearn a lot of behaviors here and that took time.

[RichieP]

Solid info as per usual Fortis, cheers.

I'm curious about that landlord - why did she ask for money after? What's the psychology behind that?

Seems super odd and in the west it'd be so demeaning, but maybe in china it's something about "not being cheap"... or what do you think?

[Fortis]

^ Many Chinese girls see sex as something that is transactional. So she is fucking you to get something. This isn't all girls, but don't be surprised when you hear foreigners talking about all the money they throw at chicks and stuff.

The way she probably saw it was like this:

"Oh shit. I just came over to this dude's house and fucked him for free!? I'm not supposed to do that. Time to start a fight and get something from him."

I knew a girl out here who had a boyfriend and a side-piece simply because they'd both throw her money. I think I talked about it in the Chinese dating guide thread before. There was some chick I fucked within 10 minutes of talking to her on Wechat (I'm not even joking; She lived around the corner.) A few weeks later I hit her up and ask her to come hang out and she says to me "are you going to give me some money?"

It's really fucking bizarre since I'm from USA and this NEVER happens, but many Chinese dudes run strictly money game. This isn't all of them, but a lot of those rich Chinese guys who are tagging lots of chicks are straight up opening their wallets, buying iPhones for girls, taking them shopping and then fucking them.

It isn't something any of us would do since it goes against many proscriptions within our western societies but those proscriptions aren't present in China.

I'm not even making it up. I know a rich Shenzhen local who was asking girls in our social circle if they wanted to go to Hong Kong and go "shopping" with him.



In America, I'd say that dude was a total simp but he bangs chicks in china doing it and it seems to be a real thing here.

[rebelcounty2016]

(08-02-2016 08:21 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:14 AM)churros Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Jesus what a waste of great height! I'm trying to figure out the website in that girl's photo he is holding. <Something> Beauties it says. I want to see if I can find her profile.

That's nothing special in Holland. The man are among the most cucked in the world.

Oh yeah no doubt. In China though, that IS something, because you can see over lots of people if you are at least 5'8". 5'6" isn't even short there. This cat might be over 6'2". That's awesome for China. Gotta put those attributes to good work if ya got em! The women there will forgive an ugly mug like his if you got something else going for you.

Edit: I just realized he was in the Changsha airport, which is in Hunan. Yeah, now I see how he is surrounded by sweet ladies so fast.... Hunan is the sweetspot!

I'm a long time lurker on roosh, This Dutch dude had me in fits of laughter (also hard not to feel slight sympathy for him since he looks like he contracted some kind of degenerative disease at the airport ) I have been thinking about making a jump to China. I'm very social,easy going dude and already have my Chinese flag x2 BUT i'm 6ft 3" and thinking I might end up in a staring contest with 1.2 billion people ? Do you see being very tall by Chinese standards as a positive on the ground or a mixed bag when it comes to both men and woman/game ? your thread was awesome btw

[Space Cowboy]

There's probably 50 million people over 6 feet in China. Yeah people will stare, yeah you'll be taller than most Chinese people, but the Chinese have seen plenty of tall people before.

If you really have a problem with people staring at you, I wouldn't recommend China.

[CJ_W]

(08-02-2016 08:14 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I figured it out. It's AsianBeauties.com AKA Asiandate.com. Same owner changes the name alot because his site is full of scammers.

Tsk Tsk....

waitwaitwaitwaitwait. . .

Don`t they have MARRIAGE AUCTIONS put up by the parents of daughters they want to marry off? I remember seeing that online somewhere. Couldn`t this guy have just done that?

[eradicator]

^^What?! If you marry a girl that you bought in an auction, can you put her back up for sale if it turns out she is crazy as hell and a lousy wife? http://www.wifeebay.com ?!

[rebelcounty2016]

(08-18-2016 01:16 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

There's probably 50 million people over 6 feet in China. Yeah people will stare, yeah you'll be taller than most Chinese people, but the Chinese have seen plenty of tall people before.

If you really have a problem with people staring at you, I wouldn't recommend China.

Cool and yeah i get that much already. I probably framed that badly. I know i will be stared at and no I'm not really bothered at all. I just mean overall will it be a help or a hindrance in terms of value in interactions with people, gaming,men less or more friendly etc. beyond the staring whats it like being tall basically haha (we are talking about a country that puts black people in washing machines as advertising, I'm not going to assume anything in china haha)

[CJ_W]

(08-18-2016 01:43 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

^^What?! If you marry a girl that you bought in an auction, can you put her back up for sale if it turns out she is crazy as hell and a lousy wife? http://www.wifeebay.com ?!

nah man. . .ill try to find that video. . .

Its basically the parents like go into a major city park or something and post pictures in huge posters of their daughters with like stats, and things she can do as a wife for her man. etc . . .hard to explain without the video.

Ok, found it. Its pretty silly so I just recommend watching the first like 30 seconds and then turn it off, some parts later kind of pissed me off when I watched it, mostly because the people were making a fool of that whole concept like they were making fun of the Chinese or something. I really dont like seeing people go out to another country and just start dissing it. No respect.

[Suits]

(08-18-2016 01:52 AM)rebelcounty2016 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 01:16 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

There's probably 50 million people over 6 feet in China. Yeah people will stare, yeah you'll be taller than most Chinese people, but the Chinese have seen plenty of tall people before.

If you really have a problem with people staring at you, I wouldn't recommend China.

Cool and yeah i get that much already. I probably framed that badly. I know i will be stared at and no I'm not really bothered at all. I just mean overall will it be a help or a hindrance in terms of value in interactions with people, gaming,men less or more friendly etc. beyond the staring whats it like being tall basically haha (we are talking about a country that puts black people in washing machines as advertising, I'm not going to assume anything in china haha)

We are over-thinking this too much and probably mostly looking forward to us telling you that you'll be in massive demand among the Chinese women due to your height.

Rather, I'll just tell you that in terms of the positivity of your experience in China, there are much more important factors that you should be considering instead.

[rebelcounty2016]

(08-18-2016 02:44 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 01:52 AM)rebelcounty2016 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 01:16 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

There's probably 50 million people over 6 feet in China. Yeah people will stare, yeah you'll be taller than most Chinese people, but the Chinese have seen plenty of tall people before.

If you really have a problem with people staring at you, I wouldn't recommend China.

Cool and yeah i get that much already. I probably framed that badly. I know i will be stared at and no I'm not really bothered at all. I just mean overall will it be a help or a hindrance in terms of value in interactions with people, gaming,men less or more friendly etc. beyond the staring whats it like being tall basically haha (we are talking about a country that puts black people in washing machines as advertising, I'm not going to assume anything in china haha)

We are over-thinking this too much and probably mostly looking forward to us telling you that you'll be in massive demand among the Chinese women due to your height.

Rather, I'll just tell you that in terms of the positivity of your experience in China, there are much more important factors that you should be considering instead.

I read through Kai's pretty comprehensive thread and when browsing this one i saw him mention height. It hadn't occurred to me about height.This is far from my focus,it's just some snippet of info that wasn't in the thread or i missed it, which is why i replied specifically to Kai as he seems to really know his shit. I did mention i have been with 2 chinese girls already but both through my social circle so who knows If it was down to looks or comfort and familiarity etc. I didn't mention that i have a tough time with Chinese men for a reason that befuddles me. I thought maybe it's because I'm a big enough dude and I intimidate them or something.I tried to make it clear that it wasn't just for girls but this is roosh so cant blame you.Hell I presumed there was likely a sweet spot and I could likely be too tall for most so gratification from an internet forum wasn't the agenda.This isn't even number 150 in my considerations but it doesn't hurt to ask for good data.I know people will stare in China, I'm trying to figure out what they might be thinking,whether It's neg or pos I don't really care. My main concern is my health because that dude Badwolf? scared the fuck out of me with his hospital stories! I'm new to posting here as you can see cut me some slack

[TravelerKai]

(08-18-2016 01:09 AM)rebelcounty2016 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:21 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:14 AM)churros Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Jesus what a waste of great height! I'm trying to figure out the website in that girl's photo he is holding. <Something> Beauties it says. I want to see if I can find her profile.

That's nothing special in Holland. The man are among the most cucked in the world.

Oh yeah no doubt. In China though, that IS something, because you can see over lots of people if you are at least 5'8". 5'6" isn't even short there. This cat might be over 6'2". That's awesome for China. Gotta put those attributes to good work if ya got em! The women there will forgive an ugly mug like his if you got something else going for you.

Edit: I just realized he was in the Changsha airport, which is in Hunan. Yeah, now I see how he is surrounded by sweet ladies so fast.... Hunan is the sweetspot!

I'm a long time lurker on roosh, This Dutch dude had me in fits of laughter (also hard not to feel slight sympathy for him since he looks like he contracted some kind of degenerative disease at the airport ) I have been thinking about making a jump to China. I'm very social,easy going dude and already have my Chinese flag x2 BUT i'm 6ft 3" and thinking I might end up in a staring contest with 1.2 billion people ? Do you see being very tall by Chinese standards as a positive on the ground or a mixed bag when it comes to both men and woman/game ? your thread was awesome btw

Height like that is a positive in all of China no doubt, but having little to no game is far worse. Space Cowboy is right, if your skin is thin and you offend easily, avoid China at all costs.

[rebelcounty2016]

(08-18-2016 08:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 01:09 AM)rebelcounty2016 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:21 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:14 AM)churros Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Jesus what a waste of great height! I'm trying to figure out the website in that girl's photo he is holding. <Something> Beauties it says. I want to see if I can find her profile.

That's nothing special in Holland. The man are among the most cucked in the world.

Oh yeah no doubt. In China though, that IS something, because you can see over lots of people if you are at least 5'8". 5'6" isn't even short there. This cat might be over 6'2". That's awesome for China. Gotta put those attributes to good work if ya got em! The women there will forgive an ugly mug like his if you got something else going for you.

Edit: I just realized he was in the Changsha airport, which is in Hunan. Yeah, now I see how he is surrounded by sweet ladies so fast.... Hunan is the sweetspot!

I'm a long time lurker on roosh, This Dutch dude had me in fits of laughter (also hard not to feel slight sympathy for him since he looks like he contracted some kind of degenerative disease at the airport ) I have been thinking about making a jump to China. I'm very social,easy going dude and already have my Chinese flag x2 BUT i'm 6ft 3" and thinking I might end up in a staring contest with 1.2 billion people ? Do you see being very tall by Chinese standards as a positive on the ground or a mixed bag when it comes to both men and woman/game ? your thread was awesome btw

Height like that is a positive in all of China no doubt, but having little to no game is far worse. Space Cowboy is right, if your skin is thin and you offend easily, avoid China at all costs.

cool man. It's really not a big deal. I'm quite thick skinned. I'd find it mostly pretty funny. In my City there is actually a hell of a lot of chinese and i find the men are really guarded and I have an easy time hanging out with chinese girls. Always wondered why that was the case.