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Why Montreal is so overrated
#51

Why Montreal is so overrated

Being attractive or ugly in Montreal really is not a factor. Poor excuse.

In Quebecois culture many times a woman's first time will be getting too drunk and fucking some balding 40 year old guy from the bar when she is barley 18. People think I am joking but this was a common story from my Quebecois buddy who grew up in rural Quebec and Ottawa. He explained to me it was a thing. Girls who wanted to sneak into the bars to young would get pounced on by the old ass dudes and next thing you know... when in Rome...

It was him that uncorked the myth of these women being some elegant flowers. They more else are very ratchet women and somewhat ghetto. They just are very in tune with their feminine energy and embrace it versus women in other parts of North America who reject it. The women play a balance between feminine elegance but very dominant behavior, it is hard to explain but you notice it. They can act dominate and macho but they expect the man to out dominate them. Always. If not they will make your life a hell and chide you for it. So Quebecois women also have a butch factor to them as well. But it is very much at odds with how they dress, and act at times. They will get dressed up in heels and a pencil dress then go drink a bottle of Rum, get in a scrap, and then pass out in a Audi somewhere. lol

But this explains the liberal culture and the low key high sex drive of the women and chaos caused when they drink (90% of Quebecois women have a drop of Native in them).

But back to the myth of looks.... If you stay in Montreal long enough you some truly beat dudes walking around with some very attractive women.

The Quebecois men are not a model bunch lol. People talking like this is Sweden or Australia where you got dudes who could be GQ models picking garbage. Most Quebecois men are balding and short and smoke and drink to much. All you have to do is have your hair, be in shape, and have all your teeth and you all already well ahead of majority of Quebecois men lol.

The only time where competition can be tight is if you are a brother. French Black men from places like Ivory Coast, Congo, etc are tall, put together very well, high cheek bones, and culturally like style. You got Drogba look alike on the Metro just chilling. I made the mistake one night of going to a "Afro jam" one night full of Congolese and I was a midget up in there.

So no looks don't matter. If that stumpy guy with a comb over has a hottie on his arm he will fuck that night why make excuses? Just don't look like a damn slob and one is good. That dude does not make any excuses why should you?

The balls on some of these dudes who look like goofs and stepping up to hotties in the bars. I swear these guys just must like trolling but it gives you an idea of the the size of the balls you need to games here. Ugly ass dudes give zero fucks and approach model looking women in Montreal. They don't give any fucks how hot the women is they all act on very caveman instincts...I like > I want > I pursue.

Have that mindset.

One should stop thinking so much about shit like looks and money. All these women want is a good time.

If you view these women as all just free throws to hit your life becomes easy. Dick swelling women are all around just go after all the ones you like who cares what happens as she either is on your dick or she is not. It is a very primal and binary way to go about game. We tend to over think shit. The Quebec men bring it back down to how it is supposed to be IMO.

Quote: (07-09-2016 06:19 PM)Lermontov Wrote:  

I lived in Montreal all my life. Even without a social circle, I personally think that if you can't find some beautiful girls DTF after 3 months in a city so diverse, you should reflect on your game.

Montreal is arguably the least conservative city in North America btw.

You have four universities there (two anglophone, two french-speaking). A lot of young, fit and beautiful women. The best thing one could do to get laid is to befriend a guy attending college in a program that has a high ratio of girls (think nursing, dentistry, marketing, pharmacy, etc.) and that will invite you to the program parties.

Single white french canadian girls are begging to be approached by fit good-looking guys (black, asian, white or whatever) who are confident, intelligent and charming. If you are bold, direct and persistent, I guarantee that you'll get results.

Of course, night game can be inconsistent on a given night like everywhere and for everybody, but in the long run, one should be okay getting numbers, date, kiss-closes and occasional ONS from it.

You can share some of your thoughts on specific venues (bar/clubs) you visited if you want, I could try commenting on them if I know them.

This is what I am saying as well. Well said.

When dudes say they struggle in Montreal they have to reboot their approach.

Montreal women are feminine, and very good to the game of cat and mouse. You have to show these women a good time. They are not down for boring small talk. You have to be fun an assertive with them and charm them up a bit.

I my time there I had no issue breaking into groups and making friends. I just buy some drinks and shoe everybody a good time with good body language and it is off from there.

I stress the assertive and fun part. You are competing with Quebecois men who are more or less cavemen. They are very strait forward with their women, as the women are very bold and strait forward with them (think of the hyper nature of Black women and Black Men just toned down a notch. Black men can't take shit from the women or else they will get walked over, Black women don't have no patience or time for boring men). I think people get it twisted like this is some slow pace thing you do in Europe with Euro girls where cuddly comments and shit can get you mileage. In Montreal I am doing shots with these girls and getting them dancing. If they don't want to dance I am holding direct and intense conversation on them and that is just what it is. If I am into her I don't really give her any options, she is spending some time with me in that moment. I think they can read that and they like going along with it.

For me. Montreal is a breath of fresh air as the women are still intend with their female nature. They will open their body language to you are purposely hover into your orbit when they are interested. You have to be on the ball and aware to sense this and pounce when it happens. If they are enticed by you they will let you know (very subtly) and you have to act.. or else... oh well... She will go do something else.

To me game in Montreal is a rush. It is the honest chase of Cat and Mouse it is supposed to be. Sometimes I hit a home run and got the bang, other times it was a kiss close, other times she lived to far and logistics fucked me over, other times I pushed my hand to heavy being direct and she killed the interaction. Each time it was back and forth effort which kept me engaged. It never feels like I am going off a script like I am here in Toronto at times where you are just biting your tongue dealing with a rotten attitude and hoping you get it over and done with for a bang, or a rejection (so you can move on to the next one).

The only tips in I can provide are:

Be fun
-You have to have high energy. This place is not for the weak. 9 times out of 10 that tiny french cutie could likely out drink you and has probably been in more bar brawls then you in her 20 years on this earth. Does not matter how classy and elegant she looks, she will down dirty shots with you and get sloppy.

French culture is very loose. If anything it is the Euro French who are stiff (and they seem to more and more be present in the City as the flee the motherland France). The Quebecois and the fmr. rench Colonies all have very open and vibrant cultures, and these people are the main folks present in Montreal so always keep that in mind. These are not your boring Euros who sit and drink coffee and 'chit chat' (The worst assholes were always the Parisians in and around Montreal with their mega attitudes, the friendly ones always come to Toronto ironically it seems).

Be aware
- If you command some presence in a venue women will orbit into your lane. It is a very subtle cue which may just be her with open body stance to you, and a play with her hair, slight glance. You have to be aware of all the hot women in your surroundings and pick up on these cues. It could be a short 2-5 seconds of her hinting she finds you interesting. You gotta act when you notice this. I can't stress this enough. This isn't magic puzzle. If you are very aware of surroundings and a women's flow you will spot it very easily it is just a matter of always being on the ball to pounce when it happens.

Be friendly
- I swear I opened a group of bitches just commenting on a girls goofy hat. In Toronto they would think you are a homosexual man for doing that, but in Fashion Forward Montreal she was cool with it and it was easy opener for me to get it going with her and friends. They were all sitting at the bar and I more or less crashed whatever they were doing. We were all dancing not to long after.

Be consistent
-Be aware of the area you are in. don't go suited up in Mile End with the hipster french bitches. Each area will have a vibe and english/french component to be aware off. Also the day of the week and time can also be a factor. I ran into issues running into suburban girls quite a bit which nuked my chances

Be adaptable
- Montreal gives you choice. The French bitches ain't feeling your swag then night then go dumpster dive American bitches on Peel Ave, or English Canadian bitches at Tokio. There are so many areas that you have a ton of options with many going late.

Be Active
- I did not take advantage of this as I have always been there Fall when it is a bit chilly. But the Parks are full of hot women. Montreal has amazing parks all over the city and women are running, playing soccer and tennis, doing yoga, walking the dog in sexy heels, or whatever else there. There is always hot women in the park and they are friendly if you are friendly. Me just being hungover and asking for tips on good areas in the city to lease (made up story how I just moved there for work and renting short-term downtown) got some good milage.

Be mindful
- Lost of Toronto bitches there. Don't wast your time with them. I fell into that trap tones of times. More times then not they are at shitty venues as they don't know the good spots so it is very easy for newbies in the City to run into them if they don't know all the good spots.

Be open
- I was not open to suburban women. If I was there a longer period I would use any invite to join a circle circle and just get it good with all her female friends. A few times some groups of girls, some mixed groups were cool with me and would hang out again. I was only tunnel vision on pussy so I would just take numbers and flop but if I was there longer I would keep these connections going longer for form light social circles and use it as a channel to filter pussy.

Overall, my only issue is the language thing. I don't like not knowing all that I could possibly know in a setting. If I am working on a set of girls and they start busting out shit in French I get annoyed not knowing what they are saying. In those instances I keep them busy making sure both are talking to me so they don't plot shenanigans in French. One time a broad essentially told her friend to go find a man to entertain her and give her some time alone with me. I don't know French, but being Canadian you can put together baby words if you pay attention. I was able to get that little bit out and I see her friend grin and walk away. I knew then I had it in the bag, to bad she lived far as fuck on the Island. Sexy Algerian girl.

One thing I do also enjoy from game in Montreal is women are more likely to be in classic sets: a girl will head out with her girlfriend for a night out. Versus elsewhere like here in Toronto get those pseudo lady packs of 6-8 full of bitches who all mostly hate each other. In Montreal 2-3 girls will head out with no men tagging around and it makes navigating and dealing with sets so much more easy.

Lastly, I am not saying you get off the plane in Montreal and women line up to suck your dick. I struggled some nights there mostly to the language, sometimes logistics.

I still don't know how to translate slang into French. So I always don't want to sound boring speaking sound english versus how you would talk with young girls in general with slang. I must think that Montreal has its own hybrid slang like Toronto that fuses Patios, USA talk, and English and blends it together to make some ugly mashup. I must think Montreal has slang that mashes French-English together but I have no clue of any words. This would help in playing up the "Cool" and "fun" vibe which is paramount to success there IMO.

Montreal takes effort but it is honest work. You try game on a women and more times than not it will be a honest chase with no big time games. The game to the women in Montreal IS THE GAME so play your chess pieces wisely, she is getting as much out of it as you are.
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#52

Why Montreal is so overrated

I like your post Kosko. I will make my game more aggressive and try other things over the next 3 months and then report back.

Just out of curiosity, which were your favorite venues in the city?
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#53

Why Montreal is so overrated

As I said in an earlier post, I'm a Montreal native and have been going out for the past 10 years in that great city. Ten years ago, the girls were behaving the same way than now. I've met all my long term girlfriends with nightgame in bars/clubs. I'm now in a long term monogamous relationship but I had multiple ONS from nightgame with girls/women from 19 to 45 year old, mostly Québécoises, either flying solo or out with friends (I never use wingmen, I always approach solo.)

I developed my own technique of approaching and closing through the years, very direct, aggressive and simple that turned out to be very effective.

For clothes, if the venue allows it, I usually wear a simple tight and dark t-shirt to show off my muscles and slim waist because it sells way more with women than expensive shirts. When I arrive in a venue, bar, club or lounge, if flying solo, I never talk with guys or barman. I buy a drink (most of the time sparkling water as I rarely drink alcohol). If I'm at a loud place I put my inconspicuous earplugs because I don't want to wreck my audition. I now examine the girls and look for the top 4-5 hottest in the venue. You might wonder at this point if a guy standing alone with sparkling water and wearing hearplugs as he watches the women like a predator will get laid. That's what I thought many years ago.

If I really, really want to get laid on the same night I might modify the type of girls I approach first but that is another story.

I now approach the hottest girl except if she is clearly with her boyfriend. Group, standing or sitting, with girlfriends or guys, I don't care, I just do it. Of course, this has led to some uncomfortable and awkward situations over the years especially at the beginning of my journey when approaching a large group all sitting but nothing bad ever happened and I'm now desensitized.

I usually always open the same way with "Hi." (I smile and touch her), followed by "How are you?" and "do you come here often?". I came to the conclusion that words for the opener aren't very important. Very strong eye contact, slow movements, stand tall, shoulders completely facing the girl, those are key for me. With aggressive, direct and flirty body language, she'll get that the tall black guy approaching her isn't here to do some casual small talk, but to bang her.

If on a dancefloor, I usually pull her against me to dance at that point.

If I'm not on a dancefloor, I continue with open questions to make her talk on something positive that she likes. I atempt to connect on that topic with her and let her do most of the talking for a few minutes. I try to embark on a flirty vibe asap and usually go for the kiss after 10-15 minutes without isolating. Ofter she'll refuse (but I surprised myself through the years how fast it is possible to get a frenchkiss). If she doesn't leave at this point, I know it's probably on, especially if she smiles. At this point you also usually learn if she has a boyfriend. If she does, I usually eject because it is often not worth the hassle and you might easily loose time and energy for nothing at the end. If she leaves, I'll usually pursue her and try to talk a bit more/kiss close a second time. Of course, at this point you have to be tactfull, read her body language, etc.. Usually it's obvious to know if she really wants you to fuck off, but I always persist and insist a *little* more than what is usually socially acceptable. Please understand that if she says seriously "no" I always stop what I'm doing. There is a line between persistence and harassment. It's all about judgement and tact here. By doing that over the years, I suprise myself by getting ONS with girls who didn't seem interested at the beginning/even rejected me once and then later the same night told me how my confidence turned them on after enthusiastically blowing/fucking me.

Once I get the kissclose and after kissing for a while, I continue talking to connect with the girl. I always let her do the most talking and react by what she says by asking questions and going deeper into the subject. I then propose to go at her place. I never "bounce" from a venue to another with the girl, I think that it is useless.

When at any point during the pick up I get that she really isn't interested, I bounce to target number two and go down my list.

I suggest checking out the following venues in Montreal:

Mayfair
Rachel Rachel
Latulippe cabaret (Friday). Older crowd.
Clébard
Rouge
Café campus (younger crowd. I haven't been in three years though.)
Datcha (a bit hipster)
Philémont
Sousbois (I haven't been but many in my social circle have and I know for a fact know that hot girls go there.)

Many places where I used to go closed through the years and I'm not fully up to date since I don't go out to game nowadays, being in a relationship.
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#54

Why Montreal is so overrated

Lermontov because you're black. MTL is pussy paradise for black guys.
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#55

Why Montreal is so overrated

Lermontov, thanks for the detailed post, Rekk'd you sound like a whiny, jealous ungrateful prick. Lermontov went out of his way to tell us his style of game, where he goes, the way he dresses, etc and even lists the venues to go to and all you have to say is that he only gets laid because he's black, unbelievable dude. There's too many guys on the Canadian threads lately who complain too much and seem to have some odd racial insecurities, the negativity on here is getting brutal.
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#56

Why Montreal is so overrated

Wow, I'm not jealous. Girls here really do love black guys, even a black friend of mine kept telling me this afternoon during lunch how black guys are killin it in montreal, even in the highschools.

I appreciate his post and the info that he gave us, but I'm an honest man. I'm telling the forum members that MTL is pussy paradise for black men. Enjoy it guys!
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#57

Why Montreal is so overrated

Quote: (07-31-2016 11:53 AM)Lermontov Wrote:  

As I said in an earlier post, I'm a Montreal native and have been going out for the past 10 years in that great city. Ten years ago, the girls were behaving the same way than now. I've met all my long term girlfriends with nightgame in bars/clubs. I'm now in a long term monogamous relationship but I had multiple ONS from nightgame with girls/women from 19 to 45 year old, mostly Québécoises, either flying solo or out with friends (I never use wingmen, I always approach solo.)

I developed my own technique of approaching and closing through the years, very direct, aggressive and simple that turned out to be very effective.

For clothes, if the venue allows it, I usually wear a simple tight and dark t-shirt to show off my muscles and slim waist because it sells way more with women than expensive shirts. When I arrive in a venue, bar, club or lounge, if flying solo, I never talk with guys or barman. I buy a drink (most of the time sparkling water as I rarely drink alcohol). If I'm at a loud place I put my inconspicuous earplugs because I don't want to wreck my audition. I now examine the girls and look for the top 4-5 hottest in the venue. You might wonder at this point if a guy standing alone with sparkling water and wearing hearplugs as he watches the women like a predator will get laid. That's what I thought many years ago.

If I really, really want to get laid on the same night I might modify the type of girls I approach first but that is another story.

I now approach the hottest girl except if she is clearly with her boyfriend. Group, standing or sitting, with girlfriends or guys, I don't care, I just do it. Of course, this has led to some uncomfortable and awkward situations over the years especially at the beginning of my journey when approaching a large group all sitting but nothing bad ever happened and I'm now desensitized.

I usually always open the same way with "Hi." (I smile and touch her), followed by "How are you?" and "do you come here often?". I came to the conclusion that words for the opener aren't very important. Very strong eye contact, slow movements, stand tall, shoulders completely facing the girl, those are key for me. With aggressive, direct and flirty body language, she'll get that the tall black guy approaching her isn't here to do some casual small talk, but to bang her.

If on a dancefloor, I usually pull her against me to dance at that point.

If I'm not on a dancefloor, I continue with open questions to make her talk on something positive that she likes. I atempt to connect on that topic with her and let her do most of the talking for a few minutes. I try to embark on a flirty vibe asap and usually go for the kiss after 10-15 minutes without isolating. Ofter she'll refuse (but I surprised myself through the years how fast it is possible to get a frenchkiss). If she doesn't leave at this point, I know it's probably on, especially if she smiles. At this point you also usually learn if she has a boyfriend. If she does, I usually eject because it is often not worth the hassle and you might easily loose time and energy for nothing at the end. If she leaves, I'll usually pursue her and try to talk a bit more/kiss close a second time. Of course, at this point you have to be tactfull, read her body language, etc.. Usually it's obvious to know if she really wants you to fuck off, but I always persist and insist a *little* more than what is usually socially acceptable. Please understand that if she says seriously "no" I always stop what I'm doing. There is a line between persistence and harassment. It's all about judgement and tact here. By doing that over the years, I suprise myself by getting ONS with girls who didn't seem interested at the beginning/even rejected me once and then later the same night told me how my confidence turned them on after enthusiastically blowing/fucking me.

Once I get the kissclose and after kissing for a while, I continue talking to connect with the girl. I always let her do the most talking and react by what she says by asking questions and going deeper into the subject. I then propose to go at her place. I never "bounce" from a venue to another with the girl, I think that it is useless.

When at any point during the pick up I get that she really isn't interested, I bounce to target number two and go down my list.

I suggest checking out the following venues in Montreal:

Mayfair
Rachel Rachel
Latulippe cabaret (Friday). Older crowd.
Clébard
Rouge
Café campus (younger crowd. I haven't been in three years though.)
Datcha (a bit hipster)
Philémont
Sousbois (I haven't been but many in my social circle have and I know for a fact know that hot girls go there.)

Many places where I used to go closed through the years and I'm not fully up to date since I don't go out to game nowadays, being in a relationship.


Nice advice. Out of curiosity, how tall and muscular are you?
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#58

Why Montreal is so overrated

I'm 6'2, 195 lbs with a very low body fat percentage. My diet is strict with a lot of sacrifices but it is worth it. I work out ~4 times a week, max 35 minutes each time.
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#59

Why Montreal is so overrated

Hey maybe I will see you at Clébard..I go there a lot these days..I think Rachel Rachel is closed though
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#60

Why Montreal is so overrated

I think the perception of "black guys killing it" is the fact that more times than not ....Black guys are *on average* willing to be more fun and engaging which I have been hammering to death in this thread as how one needs to act to get traction with Quebec women.

People need to stop making excuses.

To shoot down the notion that Black men have some type of exotic factor in Montreal just understand this....

You do realize there are more Black people in Montreal than any other Canadian city (maybe Brampton or Pickering have more but those are sleepy suburbs, not cities in their own right) ?

Toronto is only 8% black.

Montreal is close to 12-14% Black far ahead of any other Canadian city that would barley register 1% of its population as Black.

To give you an idea of the scale of Black people Montreal take this example. There is not even 800,000 Black folks in Canada as a whole, and within that there are 100,000 Haitians, and they almost all (97%) live in Montreal lol.

Next, Montreal has one of Canada's true historic Black Quarters in Little Burgundy in Montreal; with others such as Saint-Henri, Griffintown added to the mix. In this centre Canada's best jazz was crafted and it helped grow and raise greats such as Oscar Peterson:

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I say all this because black folks in Montreal is nothing new, there is no Exotic factor like a brother going to Winnipeg, Vancouver or something. Montreal is Canada's true and only "Black/African city" outside of the historic places in Nova Scotia. Black people have been a part of the Montreal fabric for a very long time (since the 1880s).

I honestly don't think a brother walking up to a girl in Montreal is anything new or special.

People acting like this is Kingston, Ontario with a new crop of Queens girls getting aquatinted with Black Fort Drum dudes each year. If folks want to talk about Black dudes "getting a boost" that is a real example right there.

What excuses will people think of next...
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#61

Why Montreal is so overrated

I didn't say that they see black men as exotic. I know Montreal has a very high black population compared to other canadian cities.

-It's the very popular hip hop culture here.
-Most girls here really like to experiment since Montreal is very liberal towards sex (however marriage between black and white is rarely seen) they go for black guys. Indians/asians get nothing while Arabs have a bad reputation. So ya, BBC is what they get.
-Blacks are usually bigger than the whites here, and much more aggressive .. I think women here love that.

Anyways, I'm not using excuses. I just find it abit easier being black here. The city we live in makes a difference, it would be ignorant to deny it.
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#62

Why Montreal is so overrated

I agree,I will not enter in details or why,but I can see that girls from Québec like blacks guys.
@Scotian: I dont think that Rekk'd means somthing racial,he just attest that blacks are liked in MTL.And the reality is that races matters for gaming,specially in Canada.
@Rekk'd:Go to Eastern europe,specially Poland,it is a pussy paradise for arabs there,Polish girls like arab looks guys over all races there and they dont care about BBC.

I can't advice you which place in Canada,arab look is liked me neither I dont know,but seems that canadians dont like arabs.Any way in Québec,Mediterranean and Arab look guys find a lot of difficulties with girls.(I saw a lot of Maroccan,Tunisian,Italian,Spanish guys leaving alone in MTL,of course expect sociale circle ).

Somthing get me nervous about Blacks,Why many girls go fot black guys and almost any guys go for blacks girls?I always see blacks girls alone,never get approched,even in the cock fest parties.That make things more difficult for the ratio.
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#63

Why Montreal is so overrated

Montreal women don't care about race! This is the least racist city that I have ever been to!

The one who are racist here are the immigrants. Arabs dislike Persians, Blacks disliking Indians, Indians dislike Pakistanis and Arabs. And so goes on the circle of hate. The white folks are pretty chilled out about everyone, especially the Francophones.

This place is not a paradise for black guys. Kosko hit the nail on the head when he said that blacks do well here because they have the aggressive fun vibe. I went to "blacks oriented club" a few days ago. There was this black dude who was standing right at the door and pounced at every girl that entered the club. I don't think many of us will be ever able to do that. His strategy wasn't really successful but sooner or later he will get laid. Someone will see this guy with a white girl and then come to the conclusion that black guys kill in Montreal!

As for the black girls. There a lot of ugly ones here. But a lot of hot ones as well. And they are not always alone. Remember. that at the end of the day MOST black guys would like to go for a hot black girl over a hot white girl. Hence, the hot ones have been hit upon mercilessly all their lives and have developed stronger bitch shields as compared to girls from other races. No actually, the Persians and Arabs have more or less that same kind of bitch shields. The point is that they will seem to be a lot more resistant to advances from men as compared to girls from other races.
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#64

Why Montreal is so overrated

Ok so let me get this straight: the brown guys on here are complaining that they aren't having much success with the local white girls but at the same time they don't want to go after the local black or native girls due to racial preferences. This seems a bit ironic to me but maybe its because I'm a white guy who will stick his pecker in any race of woman, provided she passes the boner test.
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#65

Why Montreal is so overrated

99.99% of black girls dont pass the boner test for Arabic men. Thats the truth.

Most Arabic guys prefer Arabic girls but they are not down for ONS and you dont see them in the clubs. So we go for White girls or Latinas (even the lighter ones). I don't know what it is, but we just like the European white girls for some reason.

And not all Arabs are brown, we have white, light tan, brown, and darker brown. Maybe black if you consider Somalians Arabs, but I dont.

The Problem is once they know we are Arabs, their mood changes. i have to say I'm spanish to get something. Believe it or not, it's the truth and I have no reason to lie.
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#66

Why Montreal is so overrated

I don't understand why you guys don't like black chicks, maybe its cultural differences but if I was in a club and saw a fat assed Haitian or Ivoirienne chick, I would be all over that haha. I think that you guys are relying too much on night game, you've pointed out that the girls at the clubs aren't receptive to you but I haven't yet read about you guys seeking girls elsewhere.

You should go to Tam Tam park tomorrow and buy a bag of weed and hit on the girls there with a big fat reefer in your hand, I met some really cool people there. You guys have to be more creative, if night game isn't giving you results, its time to try something else. Trust me, I've been there, I have a great time out drinking but my ROI on night game isn't great. Also, why not try some hookah bars?

As far as the "brown" label goes, that's something I learned in Alberta to refer to South Asian and Middle Eastern people, up until then I referred to brown people as Pakis until I got punched in the face, I seriously thought than Paki was the correct term to use lol.
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#67

Why Montreal is so overrated

I have no idea why Arabs don't like black girls. I get hit on by black girls all the time but never seems to get me excited. However, Arabic guys born in black communities i believe are more open than others. I believe it's because originally we are desert people, and white girls tend to have soft features and to us they look very untouched by hardship. Unlike, in the past we would see our women all fucked up from the sun, sand storms and the harsh environments. So we have a long history of preference for them.

Ya I've been planning on doing daygame and trying other stuff. Thx for the ideas, will be going to tam tam this sunday. Hookah bars are okay too.

I don't mind, about the color. I was just saying that because, even the white arabs get problems. Anyways, we will keep trying.
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#68

Why Montreal is so overrated

I went to a place called St-Edouard yesterday, ratio was bad but a lot of nice looking chicks who looked ddtf, the place doesn't turn into a fuckfest later in the night but I know a lot of girls go there to get subtly picked up.
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#69

Why Montreal is so overrated

Quote: (08-06-2016 07:45 AM)Rekkd Wrote:  

I have no idea why Arabs don't like black girls. I get hit on by black girls all the time but never seems to get me excited. However, Arabic guys born in black communities i believe are more open than others. I believe it's because originally we are desert people, and white girls tend to have soft features and to us they look very untouched by hardship. Unlike, in the past we would see our women all fucked up from the sun, sand storms and the harsh environments. So we have a long history of preference for them.

Ya I've been planning on doing daygame and trying other stuff. Thx for the ideas, will be going to tam tam this sunday. Hookah bars are okay too.

I don't mind, about the color. I was just saying that because, even the white arabs get problems. Anyways, we will keep trying.

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I believe it's because originally we are desert people, and white girls tend to have soft features and to us they look very untouched by hardship. Unlike, in the past we would see our women all fucked up from the sun, sand storms and the harsh environments. So we have a long history of preference for them.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You grow up in sand bowl riding camels or some shit?? What are you really trying to say...

(my homie actually did grow up in some sand bowl in Egypt and he would not even say that nonsense)

If you deferring to your culture to rationalize your lust for white girls leads me to suspect you were not in Canada in your all of your formative years as a teen-to-young man (12-22).

When dudes start whining about race in Canada I get suspicious. As I find it very tone deaf to how good men of culture have it here for dating in Canada.

This is not America with its toxic boiling stew of dodgy race relations. The type of shit I get away with here could not fly in many other countries. You could not even talk to a white girl in many parts of America, she would not even entertain you to even open her. So go on keeping to think you have it so bad here. Canada is a paradise for men of culture as we can approach any women on a even platform. It is your own mind thinking you can't.

I know I can approach almost any woman I want here and I do it. Who and what is to stop me? Stop making excuses.

Plus dudes have it backwards. You don't find lily white Canadian white girls in Hookah bars or other ethnic spots (unless she has a thing for those types of dudes).

You do find them in the bars and clubs... yes... but there is more to it than that...

You really have to get these girls prior to the bars (if that is only what you want... "white girls"). By the time she reaches the bar more times than not her hit list is set. She got things on ice in her phone, Tinder, or the dude in her circle whom she has been eying but has not hit on her yet she is thinking about. You have to climb a mountain now for her to think you are a better fit in between her legs then those already established options she has in mind.

White Canadian girls grew up a certain way, in a certain environment, aka a quintessential Canadian environment for the most part. For me growing up more or less similar to a white working class Canadian; I am more in tuned with this. I "get" these Canadian white girls very easily because we have the same upbringing and I have spent enough time around the rich ones to know how to troll them for bangs as well.

So the hustle happens before the bar. Doing "Canadian" shit the white girls do will get you more milage then simply rolling up to the bar. You go cottage with them at the lake, you go skiing, you buy your groceries exclusively at Costco or Whole Foods, You go to NHL games, camping, essentially you go do shit that white Canadian girls are used to and grew up with. It isn't rocket science.

But the access to those things is a class thing not a race thing (culture to a small extent.. I don't like swimming for example and I think most African folks share that sentiment, couldn't pay me money to go to a swimming hole on a Saturday for example.)

This is where Ethnic girls pull the hustle on Ethnic men here in Canada. Who do you think has an easier time being exposed to those things I listed above? A Ethnic girl in Canada can just get invited or have access via a Canadian white man, versus an ethnic dude who would not have those channels of access so easily (I can't think of any ethnic homies I know who had a cottage/cabin in HS except for two mixed guys who had one via their white families side).

So you have to play their game or modify it your situation...

My example: Back when I had to hunt purely white girls as it was the only thing around me. Me and my homies spent more time planning pre-gaming with broads then any actual time at the bar. Once we got to the bar were just escalating and doing shots and getting sloppy, the hard work was already done. The hard work of making sure girls would show up, bringing (enough) friends, and then having to balance different groups of girls as they never mix well. It was a pain in the ass but we eventually got a system where we would rotate broads into our circle for pre-game and post-bar. We always kept momentum going but more times than not my pussy was already claimed at the house we were drinking at prior. All I had to do at the bar was escalate further and the swoop was sealed.

Why did I do this?

Because where I was from it was standard to pre-drink at somebody's house before going to a party or the bar. See for us ethnic kids the amount of parents that would let us invite girls over to drink before a party/bar was maybe ~2% versus all my white homies who could do it easily. So when we grew up and got our own places we immediately tried to re-create this as that was what the white girls (and our white brothers) were used to!

Her is the kicker.. When I was young the two biggest players in my town was a Laos dude and a West Indian dude. These dude cleaned house and terrorized the pussy all over my town. To the point they both had to move, one to Calgary and one to Vancouver to let things cool down (baby scares, juggling multiple broad, etc). There game was so tight one even got to one of my two sisters. This was a town that was 90%+ white I remind you and the two best at swooping women were not of that majority group (but they were of the both class standing, both went to the same school and HS and came up together, I went to the same grade school of them when they were upper years just before HS.).

I don't want to hear.. "West Indians dudes are cool" I know they are, they are born naturals, but in my town nobody knew he was West Indian. I didn't know what the hell a West Indian was myself. Everybody thought he was a "Paki". People get ignorant like that in those parts but you can't blame them if they don't know. I thought the dude was Punjabi or something until I seen him at the Caribbean festival with a Trinidad flag on his head.

So in saying that you think women ever said to themselves "oh I would never.. he is a Paki...Green...blue."

No way! All these women fell for this dudes rock solid game. He made it a sport to seduce women and they all fell for the dudes swag. I don't think any of those broads cared where he was from, most would not understand his culture anyways.

So it really comes down to the balance of leveraging a environment. You have to put yourself in (or create) the environment the girls live in (if you have tunnel vision on one type of girl). You can't just "show up". If you do just "show up" then be prepared for resistance and the numbers game (approach x times and get laid x amount of times on average).

Because at the end of the day in her mind...

"who the fuck is this guy!?"

Or her friend is telling her...
"who the fuck is this guy!?"

Or that chump in her circle that she has an eye on but has NO balls to make it happen is thinking...

"who the fuck is this guy!?...Should I be worried?"

And unless your game is solid you won't get that line out of her mind (or her friends).

So what you going to do? Ideally perfect your game and if you want ONE type of women you focus on that environment. Or you really just going to be waiting for her other known options to self-combust with maybe a little bit of luck to swoop.

It is easy as hell to understand.

Like learn some damn batcha, merengue, or salsa if you ONLY like Latina girls. It really is as simple as that line just flip it to what White girls like.

Montreal:

I don't know fine-grained Montreal culture 100% but from what I have seen and been told the social element is very big. Things such as cocktails, wine, food prior to a night out is a big deal and very much part of the social dynamics there. If you are not sitting at that table prior what makes you think she will let you into her bed after? Apparently dinners out on a Friday is a big thing there for example.

So this element hinders dudes who visit for short-stays but we can play the "excitement" card and try and sell girls on a good time. For locals establishing a solid crew is imperative. I found people in MTL much more warm to friendship versus here in Toronto.

In the end:

Your standing and class have much more of an impact. If you spent your formative years in Canada it easy to point out.

I can go on and on about this. Lucky for all of your eyes I had to chop this post. It manifested into thread material on the insights of race in Canada.

Long story short...

Canadians don't give a fuck about your race... if they want to give a fuck about you they will. But you really have to give them a reason for it. They won't be assholes about it but it will essentially be:

"Who the fuck are you?!"
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#70

Why Montreal is so overrated

I've been in Canada for almost a years. However, I spent about 4 years in thailand, 3 in Russia, 2 in Holland and 2 in China. Went to other countries and spent months there in EE, FSU, Cuba, Israel, etc.. so I pretty much seen alot of the different parts of the world.

The way I rationalized why Arabic dudes like white girls, might be right or wrong. It doesn't matter, I was just sharing my opinion.

Second part is not about Race when it come to Arabs. Blacks are a race, Asians are a race, Pakis are a race, White European. Arabs are very different since we look very different from each other and we have all colors and looks. I strongly believe in general Arabic guys are the best looking ones out of all other minorities in Canada. The problem here with Arabs is fear. A girl is scared because of what the media has shown them. At least to break that first impression after saying I'm Arabic or she could actually tell her friends oh this is for example Ahmed or Mohamed and I like him lol, thats very hard to do with our bad reputation.

Another thing is that we are known to rarely commit to girls outside our race and also with the women. Yesterday I was asked by a canadian guy "Man, why don't Arabic girls or Persians ever date other men". Another topic that was brought up, is that my Iranian friend is seeing a mixed iranian/mexican girl, all the canadians in the group said ofc the father is the Iranian. What I'm trying to say is that we are known to pump and dump, after all the fun has ended we go for the virgin muslim young conservative girl. So most girls nowadays feel like we will just use them, even if they slut around .. but its better not knowing what chad will do than knowing what Ahmed will do.

Anyways, the more I talk nothing will get better. I'm not obsessed with white girls. As i said I also like latinas but most of the clubs here are white girls, so... Ya they are pretty much the obvious choice to hunt for.
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#71

Why Montreal is so overrated

I'am very curious to go out with the one's who pretend that MTL is an easy city,or even normal.And he shows me how it is easy.
Montreal is easy to talk with a girl thats it,so if you want to avoid the bitch shield,MTL is a good city,but if you want to fuck go anywhere else.
Most of places i have been in MTL are cock fest.Yestraday, i passed from cafe campus just chilling(I lost the fun of pick up girls in this city) the ratio was almost 7 guys for 1 girl.

@Scotian:day game is not that easy,girls are usually surprised when you approches them in MTL.they are not used to it.
Of course if you try many times,you can get lucky.Same thing many girls will just talk but nothing will happens.

I was with an american guy yestarday,he tried some girls,he told if I put this same effort in any US city I will kill for sure.
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#72

Why Montreal is so overrated

Kosko, what was the quality of the girls that you were able to bang in Montreal?
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#73

Why Montreal is so overrated

So, I'm at a club on crescent. A girl approaches me and says "Hi, what's your name", we talk alittle and then the dreaded question comes "where are you from" and I say "I'm from Egypt". Her face changes, her body language changes and says she has to go lol, I said lets dance but she insists she wants to go. 5 minutes later, she's making out with a black guy, then goes home with him. Damn I hate this city.

Watching a good looking and fit tunisian approach a girl aggressively, then buys her and her friend a drink since they were a group of guys. Drinks finished, oh shit we have to go back and dance until some ugly weird shaped Head quebec guy comes and makes out with her.

My tunisian friend and I approach two quebecois girls, we dance and all of the sudden ... Fuck we are dancing with Arabs .. Peace out.

We approach 2 girls from Nova scotia, because one girl said "hi" to my friend when they were going to get drinks, they want dick for sure. We talk and they ask "where are you from", I say Egypt but my friend is French. They dont look happy, 5 minutes later one is making out with a quebec guy whose face is full of acne and the other picked a skinny guy who looks gay as fuck. Later, we see them in the street going home together while me and my friend go home alone.

My Tunisian friend approaches a girl, she seems interested, alot of touching.. before she leaves she comes to him and tells him to take her number, guess where she's from... Yep Toronto.

I want to thank every person on this forum that said Montreal is amazing, I guess most of the guys that said that must have a secret cuck fetish of watching their women get rode by black guys.
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#74

Why Montreal is so overrated

If French chicks are approaching you, then you are already miles ahead compared to other places in Canada.

Roosh went to Montreal in 2012 probably with his facial hair (making him look more Middle Eastern), but he claimed that he was approached by a number of chicks. This was way before the Roosh Media Outrage in Canada.

Speaking about the African dynamic, I thought that countries like Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria are member countries in Africa. Egypt, though near Israel and the Arab region also appears to have Pyramids which have the face of people who look more African or African-Arab mixed in facial features than Arab.

Speaking about racism from women, I also thought that a racist person would avoid contact with the people they are racist against. When racism existed systematically in the USA, there were lynchings, cross burnings, false rape accusations and segregation laws which were aimed to prevent a conversation.
Your comment sounds like it’s going to fuel racial tensions. I know that there are French chicks who fear Arab men because of the media hype on ISIS, but I doubt that those type of chicks would even approach, much less go near a person that they fear so much. Therefore, there is something else which isn’t being described fully in your post.

Many men in Toronto complain that chicks don’t even want to chat up with men in the clubs, but yet you’re saying that when you’re in MTL, the chicks approach you, and some even dance with you, but then because you tell them about Egypt, they run away from you automatically.
Strange phenomenon.

Chicks are approaching you in the MTL clubs, but they flake out because you told them your national background?

Solution: When a chick asks you about your national background, tell them you’re in Canada, and officially a Canadian. Problem solved. That should prevent those weird flaking out from those chicks.

On another note, this thread sounds almost similar compared to that banned Toronto guy who acted all Indian Race Trolling (IRT) because he couldn’t get even as much as a conversation with chicks in MTL last year.

The same Toronto IRT who dissed me on the forum claiming that I’m a loser because he assumed that I was being attacked by feminists in a video which regarded to the Roosh outrage in Toronto last year at a government park when Roosh was holding his speech in the Greater Toronto Area.
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#75

Why Montreal is so overrated

Quote: (08-06-2016 02:43 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Ok so let me get this straight: the brown guys on here are complaining that they aren't having much success with the local white girls but at the same time they don't want to go after the local black or native girls due to racial preferences. This seems a bit ironic to me but maybe its because I'm a white guy who will stick his pecker in any race of woman, provided she passes the boner test.

Same here. I don't judge a woman on her race if she got a nice rack and thick booty.

But seriously, I thought Roosh had a name for brown men, mainly men from traditional India, who complain so much about not getting white women that they resort to bashing other races or becoming PUA-hate...Indian Race Troll?

On a serious note, this thread is beginning to sound just like how the Indian men would marginalize the other races (especially black men) while placing white women on a pedestal..I sense that beta behaviour from a mile away.

If a black man from Haiti is getting laid in Montreal, who are we to complain and hate on him for that? To be honest, that same Haitian man will be more likely to help a newbie learn some game.

Speaking about Montreal for game, I rarely heard anything from the MTL chicks doing witch-hunts after that temporary 15 minutes of fame from Roosh's secret admirers Katie Nelson, Jessica Leviere and Aurelie Nix, therefore Montreal is considered more safer to game for men. Montreal is also considered more economical for Americans to visit because of the low Canadian dollar and lower housing costs as compared to other parts of Canada like YVR Vancouver and YYZ...
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