[Nonpareil]

(07-30-2011 05:31 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 06:43 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

This is different kind of money. Asking someone to commit for 18 years to live with you and play the kid mother is not going to be cheap. Don't expect to pay regular babysitter $20/hr rate (and even on that rate you're paying 20*24*365 = $175K/year)

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1. I find it extremely unlikely that someone would commit to raise a kid for 18 years. This is basically crossing out 18 years out of one's life for nothing but money. She is not tied to this kid, so if she meets someone, or wants her own kids, she is out and there is little to nothing you can do.

You might for that kind of money... but I agree the idea doesn't seem very feasible even if you do. It's still a logistical, psychological, moral, PR... etc. -- nightmare. It's a bit different from a full time nanny.

I'm sure I wouldn't mind a kid someday, but not in the near future (picture; like 20 years), and it's not even the money.

It's that even though they'll qualify it with 'But I love them so much and its so rewarding', every guy, and probably a good 90% (maybe even 100%) of the women I know with a young kid are miserable, look like shit and are broke.

As I said, for the here and now (I'm 27), I'd much rather survive on the money I make from putting no work into a shitty job, be in prime health, look great and have fun than spend days listening to some ingrate's crying, changing diapers and getting 2 hours of sleep at night.

I'm sure I'll take the plunge someday, but it'll be at a time when I'm highly fluid and have a hot, young wife who can spend the day and night doing the dirty work.

[Samseau]

(07-28-2011 06:43 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 06:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

1. The advice is geared to MiXX, who has money

This is different kind of money. Asking someone to commit for 18 years to live with you and play the kid mother is not going to be cheap. Don't expect to pay regular babysitter $20/hr rate (and even on that rate you're paying 20*24*365 = $175K/year)

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2. Why wouldn't the kid think the nanny is his mother? At a young age he'll never know, and when he gets older you can just tell him the nanny is his "step-mother".

1. I find it extremely unlikely that someone would commit to raise a kid for 18 years. This is basically crossing out 18 years out of one's life for nothing but money. She is not tied to this kid, so if she meets someone, or wants her own kids, she is out and there is little to nothing you can do.

2. When your kid has problems, only the mother would have the tolerance to work on them. Even potty training is very frustrating, and I'm not even saying about things like cancer, when you have to soothe a screaming kid in pain 24/7. Considering 1) a nanny may decide that even all money in the world is not worth it.

3. There is a lot of things happening in front of the kid which only the actual parents can do - for example, signing consent forms for every medical procedure such as vaccines. So he'll know pretty soon.

Those three are basically a dealbreaker.

1. She's being hired as a full time nanny. Paying a woman from a poor country 100K per year to take care of 1-3 children is a dream job for a woman who is 40+ years old with no skills. She'll be able to send that cash back to her family in her home country.

2. Considering full-time nannies exist by the thousands, I think you're wrong about tolerance. For a poor woman who has already had her children, who knows how to raise them, toleration will be one of her main attributes.

3. Eventually the kid will figure out his biological mother was a surrogate mother; oh well. It will still cause less emotional damage than a divorce.

And not having a strong mother figure in his life will probably make him a world-class player when he gets older.

[oldnemesis]

(07-30-2011 05:31 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

You might for that kind of money... but I agree the idea doesn't seem very feasible even if you do.

That's actually very little money. I know chicks who make close to that, while working eight hours a day and living the full life - while in the scenario above she's basically serving an 18 year sentence.

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It's still a logistical, psychological, moral, PR... etc. -- nightmare. It's a bit different from a full time nanny.

and I didn't even mention the possibility of drama, what to do if you changed your opinion about this nanny (or she changed) but the kid thinks she's his mom, and so on.

[K-man]

(07-30-2011 06:12 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

It's that even though they'll qualify it with 'But I love them so much and its so rewarding', every guy, and probably a good 90% (maybe even 100%) of the women I know with a young kid are miserable, look like shit and are broke.

Well, you obviously don't know me, then. Or my wife.

(07-30-2011 06:12 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

I'd much rather ... be in prime health, look great and have fun than spend days listening to some ingrate's crying, changing diapers and getting 2 hours of sleep at night.

Well well, so your mom and dad did that for you, but are too good for that shit, and don't want to do it for the next generation?

(07-30-2011 06:12 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

I'm sure I'll take the plunge someday, but it'll be at a time when I'm highly fluid and have a hot, young wife who can spend the day and night doing the dirty work.

Ha-ha, good luck with that.

But let us not hijack the thread.

[oldnemesis]

(07-30-2011 07:49 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

1. She's being hired as a full time nanny. Paying a woman from a poor country 100K per year to take care of 1-3 children is a dream job for a woman who is 40+ years old with no skills. She'll be able to send that cash back to her family in her home country.

Now imagine yourself at her place after a year. She's from a poor country, and she just made 100K which is likely enough to live comfortably in her country till the rest of her life - doing nothing, enjoying luxury and company of her own kids. Why would she stay 17 more years with your kid and you? No holidays, no vacations, little to no contact with her own kids/family, basically no life and no use for the money she earned.

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2. Considering full-time nannies exist by the thousands, I think you're wrong about tolerance. For a poor woman who has already had her children, who knows how to raise them, toleration will be one of her main attributes.

We had a few nannies, and I can tell you that even having the same one for six months is already good enough in that industry. People just burn out emotionally, it is a hard job even when she's not living-in. Don't think it is the same for her as it was with her own kids - for example, when my son is crying, I feel the need to pamper him and calm him down, but when I hear other kids crying, I don't have such feelings at all. This comes from instinct, so it is hard to reprogram.

And her idea how to raise children may be different from yours in details. Are you going to write a manual for her, or you gonna watch her 24/7? With a mother of your child you accept that she may have different ideas, and hers are as valid as yours, so you need to compromise. Would you compromise with a nanny?

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3. Eventually the kid will figure out his biological mother was a surrogate mother; oh well. It will still cause less emotional damage than a divorce.

You sure? Kids, when grow up, usually understand the divorce, and that some people just cannot stay together. I'd be more worried that your kid may think you're just a controlling selfish person with some psychological issues - after all, you came up with some pretty weird solution for a problem. And I bet you'd hear all that - and more than once - as soon as he's 13.

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And not having a strong mother figure in his life will probably make him a world-class player when he gets older.

I see no connection here. He may as well grow up a sociopath. Which will make him a perfect criminal mastermind, but not necessary a player.

[Moma]

yea some of the chats here about parenting and stuff from those without kids are clearly very romantic and unplanned out.

A son without a mother turning out to be a better player..hot young wife to raise children..it sounds like a scene from X-Men

Expecting to pipe lizards until death seems odd to me. I know guys who have had plenty of lizards but you get to a certain age where that shyt becomes meaningless.
As Old Nem said, after you finish 50, you realise that all women are the same and it robs something form you having to listen to the drivel many women say in order to get in and hit it.
Already, I already have different ideas in regards to slutz which differs from 10 years ago when I was willing to pipe almost any female with some titz and azz...

[Samseau]

I don't feel like arguing the specifics with you OldNem, but my gut instinct tells me they can be worked out with a nanny.

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You sure? Kids, when grow up, usually understand the divorce, and that some people just cannot stay together. I'd be more worried that your kid may think you're just a controlling selfish person with some psychological issues - after all, you came up with some pretty weird solution for a problem. And I bet you'd hear all that - and more than once - as soon as he's 13.

The solution is weird only because the technology has never existed before to do such a thing; I wouldn't be very surprised to see surrogate mother's become more common within the next 40 years.

And no one is going to tell my son shit about anything; the way I'd raise a child would be so that he's not in a public school where his personal life can be judged by his peers.

[Moma]

(08-01-2011 07:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And no one is going to tell my son shit about anything; the way I'd raise a child would be so that he's not in a public school where his personal life can be judged by his peers.

First of all, how do you know you will get a son? Secondly, how do you plan to control a child's life entirely so he doesn't have access to other children? Do you know how much that will retard his social development?

*chuckles softly*

[Samseau]

(08-01-2011 10:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 07:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And no one is going to tell my son shit about anything; the way I'd raise a child would be so that he's not in a public school where his personal life can be judged by his peers.

First of all, how do you know you will get a son? Secondly, how do you plan to control a child's life entirely so he doesn't have access to other children? Do you know how much that will retard his social development?

*chuckles softly*

It's possible to choose a gender with surrogate mothers.

It's called home-schooling. He'll be more well-developed than any of his children his age. He'll be able to take life's hardships without many problems; he'll be able to make friends without any feelings of insecurity; and when he's 18 he will have the maturity of most 25 year old's today.

I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but just about everything you've been told is false. Human's grow up better when in relative isolation than surrounded by lots of different people.

[Moma]

(08-01-2011 10:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 10:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 07:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And no one is going to tell my son shit about anything; the way I'd raise a child would be so that he's not in a public school where his personal life can be judged by his peers.

First of all, how do you know you will get a son? Secondly, how do you plan to control a child's life entirely so he doesn't have access to other children? Do you know how much that will retard his social development?

*chuckles softly*

It's possible to choose a gender with surrogate mothers.

It's called home-schooling. He'll be more well-developed than any of his children his age. He'll be able to take life's hardships without many problems; he'll be able to make friends without any feelings of insecurity; and when he's 18 he will have the maturity of most 25 year old's today.

I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but just about everything you've been told is false. Human's grow up better when in relative isolation than surrounded by lots of different people.

Do you have evidence to support this? Or is this stuff you read? Do you know people that have grown up under private schooling?

Because I personally know people from both circumstances and the ones who grew up isolated are borderline psycho.

[el mechanico]

When you HAVE your own kids everything changes.
You make tweaks as you go.

You may say my plan is to have a nanny and travel etc. But when you see the little guy all that may change.
Your kids need YOU!!!Your needs are no longer priority no.1.

There is a way to balance all this but you have to put the effort in right out of the gate yourself.

[Samseau]

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Do you have evidence to support this? Or is this stuff you read? Do you know people that have grown up under private schooling?

Because I personally know people from both circumstances and the ones who grew up isolated are borderline psycho.

They still need their parents, Moma. Good parenting + lack of bad influences = well raised child.

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You may say my plan is to have a nanny and travel etc. But when you see the little guy all that may change.
Your kids need YOU!!!Your needs are no longer priority no.1.

Of course, I would only keep a nanny around to take care of my kids for 6-8 hours a day. They would be with me just about all of the time.

I would swoop girls when they are in bed, and have my nanny sleep in a room next to them. Then she would take care of them in the morning as I catch up on my beauty sleep

[el mechanico]

(08-01-2011 06:49 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Do you have evidence to support this? Or is this stuff you read? Do you know people that have grown up under private schooling?

Because I personally know people from both circumstances and the ones who grew up isolated are borderline psycho.

They still need their parents, Moma. Good parenting + lack of bad influences = well raised child.

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You may say my plan is to have a nanny and travel etc. But when you see the little guy all that may change.
Your kids need YOU!!!Your needs are no longer priority no.1.

Of course, I would only keep a nanny around to take care of my kids for 6-8 hours a day. They would be with me just about all of the time.

I would swoop girls when they are in bed, and have my nanny sleep in a room next to them. Then she would take care of them in the morning as I catch up on my beauty sleep

I would choose a good preschool over a nanny. Kids we meet at the park or even family members that are stay home moms are leaps and bounds behind.
Thats why Florida has VPK.. the kids aren't ready for school so the state is trying to pick up the slack.

[oldnemesis]

(08-01-2011 07:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I don't feel like arguing the specifics with you OldNem, but my gut instinct tells me they can be worked out with a nanny.

Specifics is something you may want to think of. Just throwing out a bunch of ideas AKA "I want to be a billionaire by selling software, Bill Gates did that so can I" and not having any details makes it hard to treat you seriously. You're a smart guy and write a lot of interesting things, but there are moments when you sound like a child who tells everyone he plans to be an astronaut.

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The solution is weird only because the technology has never existed before to do such a thing; I wouldn't be very surprised to see surrogate mother's become more common within the next 40 years.

Actually, the history of surrogate motherhood goes back to biblical times. This is NOT a new technology.

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And no one is going to tell my son shit about anything; the way I'd raise a child would be so that he's not in a public school where his personal life can be judged by his peers.

The only way I see it to work is to isolate your son completely from any other kids. Like having him locked at home till 18, and letting him only see pre-approved kids. No real peers, and no communications with outside world, except hired help. That's a pretty shitty life you want for your son (it may actually qualify as child abuse), and personally if I read about a kid who grew up like that and then turned terrorist or murdered his father when he turned 18, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Actually I'm getting an impression that you think of your child as of your personal property, and you can do whatever you want with your property. Is it what you really think?

[oldnemesis]

(08-01-2011 10:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's called home-schooling. He'll be more well-developed than any of his children his age.

This is questionable at least. There are no unbiased studies I know which would support this statement. And even with those biased results the children seem to be one-side developed - for example, the religious parents tend to empathize on Engish and Art, and much less on biology, physics or chemistry.

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He'll be able to take life's hardships without many problems;

No, he will not. This is the same as learning pickup by reading books but not practicing. He'd have incredibly hard time in university, and it will take years for him to catch up, if he ever will.

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he'll be able to make friends without any feelings of insecurity; and when he's 18 he will have the maturity of most 25 year old's today.

He won't even know how to make friends as he'd naturally expect everyone he meets to befriend him as this was exactly how it happened last 18 years. He won't know how to stand up for himself in a discussion. His social power will basically be zero.

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I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but just about everything you've been told is false. Human's grow up better when in relative isolation than surrounded by lots of different people.

This has never been the case.

[BoiBoi]

I put the Rooshs theoretic framework to a test, burned the bridges to some of my fbs and voila, I got some fresh pussy every weekend and last sunday finally captured the Swedish flag. Props to Roosh and to myself!

[Moma]

(09-23-2011 08:56 AM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

I put the Rooshs theoretic framework to a test, burned the bridges to some of my fbs and voila, I got some fresh pussy every weekend and last sunday finally captured the Swedish flag. Props to Roosh and to myself!

I'm doing the same too, I am forcing myself to go out more in beta-ville Toronto at least once every week and my filtration process is much better. Ditching time wasting lizards and closing in on serious minded ones.

Big up the Roosh massive.

[jariel]

I peeped this thread long ago, and I can say it's one of the best threads I've ever read on this board. Only players who have multiple bitches at once that they are fucking can really relate to this issue.

It's human nature for one to feed off whatever is available.

When you have 3-4 bitches ready to fuck you at a moment's notice, where is the motivation to go hunt for new?

The reality is harems are nothing more than disguised "build-a-bitch" operations.

Those of us who can obtain this level of pussy are getting the different things that we want out of each bitch -- if all a chick is doing is giving you pussy, then IMO, you're wasting your time and energy.

After returning from México, I decided to rebuild my team. I was honestly tired of fucking bitches who I didn't even like. Most harems are built with girls who for your own reasons can get the D, but nothing else. Over time, you subconsciously begin to resent these girls, and that eats away at your self-esteem because you are the one who's choosing to share your body with them.

It's a really fucked up cycle, and again, it's one that very few can actually relate to on a real level. Many props to the OP for bringing this up, but my message from here is evaluate the girls you're banging, it's not always wise to drop a girl who has a use, as every real player knows, but at the same time, it's good to know where a chick stands, and if whatever she provides is something you can get elsewhere, then drop her. Ultimately, she's just not that bitch. That doesn't mean don't get what you can get out of it, it just means, don't waste your time putting shit, even dick, into a bitch who doesn't really deserve it, and who you don't really want to be giving it to, but are just doing so because it's readily available, and you want hands-free masturbation.

[WesternCancer]

^^^

[soup]

I don't understand why game is stopped at just fucking girls. To fuck hot girls, you have to go beyond into con-artist waters.

Anyone man enough to try this?

I know guys who have girls buying them cars.

[Nascimento]

I want to relate this to science a little bit, introduce a new perspective. Just came into my mind as I study for a social psychology exam that I will be writing in 4 hours.

The Yerkes-Dodson law states that with increasing arousal (sympathetic nervous system) performance in tasks increases, up to a certain point. Meaning too much or too little arousal equals decreased performance. A fine medium is where performance in enhanced most.

Having said that, being complacent and having little motivation/arousal to meet new women due to fuck buddies will decrease game performance, as mentioned. But also having too much arousal by not having any fuck buddy or being in an extremely long dry spell, decreases performance as well. For the later is a case where you have to be able to control your emotions so that you do not exhibit any signs of desperation, as your basic average male does.

So I guess what is optimal if you are looking to keep your game sharp would be to find a fine balance between having sex with your current fuck buddies and chasing new ones.

[jariel]

Just to add on to this issue, this problem is potentiated when you have fuck buddies who actually want to fuck you regularly.

Most fuck buddies are just that, you see them on a Friday night after you've hit the club up, but when you have chicks who really would like to be more than that, they actually want sex regularly, as in X times per week.

If you have four chicks in the rotation, and 2-3 of them expect regular sex, your motivation for new pussy, even though you still notice it, is going to be low, because even though there's food, you're just not hungry.

[soup]

Depends on what your goals are. Lazy if your goals are to be fucking new girls or ever-increasing in quality girls.

[FrenchCanadian]

its cuffing season though

[Ensam]

Jariel brings up a good point. If you're doing things right some girls will want to see you more than once a week. It can be hard to say no even when you know it's taking your game down a peg.