[Ethan Hunt]

England and Russia may be banned from the tournament if either continue any violence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...inues.html

[Belgrano]

Always nice to watch a motivated Croatian team in tournament mode.
Very technically gifted team in general, but Modrić and Rakitić stand out, and today the unyielding Ćorluka of course.
Turkey not very convincing, hope that Mor starts next time though, highly talented young player with world-class potential, recently signed by Dortmund.

[Fast Eddie]

Anyone have link to the Poland v NI game?

[Lizard King]

(06-12-2016 08:28 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

Why does ESPN hire these terrible women commentators?

By the way ESPN, great hire with Abby wambach, just got arrested for DUI, and thinks children of American servicemen in Germany aren't American

Better question though, WNB.

https://twitter.com/katemarkgraf?lang=fr

I've seen Vardy play for less than 5 minutes, and I can already tell you he will struggle in international games, but she's hyping Vardy as England's great hope in the tournament!! She doesn't know what she is talking about. He will be fouled constantly by his opponents, and his manager will make the team play in a way that either doesn't work at international level, or a method that works at that level, but does not utilise Vardy(because he is 100% an English League player).

Sigh. I gave up following this crap years ago, it's always so predictable.

[Belgrano]

^

Did you see the England friendly matches during the last few months?
Vardy definitely didn't seem like he was struggling to me.
Scoring against Germany, scoring against the Netherlands, scoring against Turkey.
Why would you think he's out of his depth in international games?

Talking about Vardy though:
Jamie Vardy's wife Rebekah tear-gassed at Euro 2016

[Traktor]

(06-12-2016 11:14 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

Anyone have link to the Poland v NI game?

http://firstrowsportes.com/

This site has livestreaming of all games.

[Lizard King]

(06-12-2016 12:55 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

Why would you think he's out of his depth in international games?

Because historically, English players who excel in the English league do terribly in international tournaments. There are some exceptions.

I haven't been following football much the last few years, so forgive me if I over look things.

Rooney is another example of 'good in England;terrible on international stage'.

This discussion could go on for eternity, because there are some English players who have been amazing in English league and international tournaments to varying degrees. The first one who comes to my mind is Stuart Pearce. Generally our greats are terrible in the international arena. There are exceptions but they don't debunk the generalisations.

[spalex]

All these threats of disqualifying England and Russia is so boring.
Like they are going to lose out on all the money that they are going to make.


Also, Can we take bets on which game is going to get hit by a terror attack?

[Parzival]

It was a good game. Germany vs Ukraine. Germany was lucky to score soon but Ukraine had some chances and did create pressure in the last time of the first half. In the second half they lost a little the spirit but Germany could not make it. Also we had be lucky do not get a goal from Ukraine. And then like magic Schweinsteiger. This will give him the drive he needs do be the leader of the team.

Read also about some German hooligans, about 50 or so that should have done some attacks.

[Renton1875]

(06-11-2016 04:55 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Maybe this needs its own thread, but violence and street brawling is getting intense.  Russian fans have vowed to "obliterate" the English boys.  

There is a lot of sublimated anger at loser European politicians that has been brewing for many years.  Maybe this is the spark that is going to ignite something.  Maybe not.  

I just remember that in during Justinian's emperorship, riots among different fans of charioteers (Blues and Greens) gradually morphed into a full-fledged revolt, that came within an ace of overthrowing the government.  It was called the Nika Revolt.  

Maybe I should do an article on that.  I've always been interested in it.

Anyway, check out these tweets.

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...0979627008

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...4610917377

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...6419559424


.

Tribalism Quintus, pure and simple. Powerful force with anything above the 50/100 mark. 

Violence has been around at football matches in the UK since football itself was established. Mostly working class, manual workers from whatever heavy industry were prevalent in their area at the time. Local derbies and major cup matches seen the worst disorder during the early history.

The problem of travelling away supporters mirrored the emergence of the transport system during the 1900's. Railways, motorways, car ownership they all allowed easy access to travel.

The advent of cheap travel and disposable incomes took these philanderers to foreign shores during the late 70's early 80's. The 'English Disease' as they called it, has travelled well and has morphed into what we see today.

Did the Blues and Greens drink themselves into oblivion before the battles too?

[Lizard King]

(06-12-2016 06:21 PM)Renton1875 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 04:55 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Maybe this needs its own thread, but violence and street brawling is getting intense.  Russian fans have vowed to "obliterate" the English boys.  

There is a lot of sublimated anger at loser European politicians that has been brewing for many years.  Maybe this is the spark that is going to ignite something.  Maybe not.  

I just remember that in during Justinian's emperorship, riots among different fans of charioteers (Blues and Greens) gradually morphed into a full-fledged revolt, that came within an ace of overthrowing the government.  It was called the Nika Revolt.  

Maybe I should do an article on that.  I've always been interested in it.

Anyway, check out these tweets.

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...0979627008

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...4610917377

https://twitter.com/QuintusCurtius/statu...6419559424


.

Tribalism Quintus, pure and simple. Powerful force with anything above the 50/100 mark. 

Violence has been around at football matches in the UK since football itself was established. Mostly working class, manual workers from whatever heavy industry were prevalent in their area at the time. Local derbies and major cup matches seen the worst disorder during the early history.

The problem of travelling away supporters mirrored the emergence of the transport system during the 1900's. Railways, motorways, car ownership they all allowed easy access to travel.

The advent of cheap travel and disposable incomes took these philanderers to foreign shores during the late 70's early 80's. The 'English Disease' as they called it, has travelled well and has morphed into what we see today.

Did the Blues and Greens drink themselves into oblivion before the battles too?

Good post.

Basically, England and Scotland have provided the necessary cannon fodder for the expansion and maintenance of the British Empire.

When that Empire was no more, and technology had progressed, all those working class males, literally bursting with testosterone and disposable cash, needed an outlet for their energy, and football hooliganism provided it. It also provided those males with another natural outlet: tribal violence.

[britchard]

(06-12-2016 10:01 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

Always nice to watch a motivated Croatian team in tournament mode.
Very technically gifted team in general, but Modrić and Rakitić stand out, and today the unyielding Ćorluka of course.
Turkey not very convincing, hope that Mor starts next time though, highly talented young player with world-class potential, recently signed by Dortmund.

Croatia deserve a place along with the likes of Italy, England and Portugal as 'dark horses' to win Euro 2016, probably more so than those 3 teams. Did you hear the Turkish fans when Mor was substituted on? They love him!

[el conquistador]

(06-12-2016 01:41 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:55 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

Why would you think he's out of his depth in international games?

Because historically, English players who excel in the English league do terribly in international tournaments. There are some exceptions.

I haven't been following football much the last few years, so forgive me if I over look things.

Rooney is another example of 'good in England;terrible on international stage'.

This discussion could go on for eternity, because there are some English players who have been amazing in English league and international tournaments to varying degrees. The first one who comes to my mind is Stuart Pearce. Generally our greats are terrible in the international arena. There are exceptions but they don't debunk the generalisations.

Steven Gerrard

[PowerGame]

In Germany they use a for us new statistic called packing, which explains a lot of games where the goals are on one side but the old statistics argued for the other team.

Especially Germany is one of the strongest packing teams.

I expected them to be a lot weaker. The analysts here said it was the strongest game, I don't really agree.


Germany 2 vs Ukraine 0

'Overplayed(I understand it as : like you don't outplay but the other teams player doesn't even get close to the ball)' players 391 to 162

'Overplayed' defense players 52 to 19

As example the world Cup 2014 game Germany 7 vs Brazil 1
402 to 341 and 84 to 53

Edit : and I heard the first game ever commented by a woman. I hated it. It was so bad. She tried to sound manly and had 0 knowledge.

[seniol]

It's silly, they cannot hold responsible a football team (Russia) because of whatever some drunk individuals choose to do in their private lives.

[PhDre]

(06-11-2016 05:00 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 04:49 PM)911 Wrote:  

Belgium has a lot to answer to, now Vincent and co have to deliver, so much talent on that team and nothing to show for so far.

I agree, as someone said earlier on this thread: our team is not as great as the sum of its parts. We have quite a lot of injuries this time around, including Kompany, so I am not going to get too excited unlike 2 years ago.

Belgium really needs a new coach, Wilmots is tactically weak and we need someone who can make it happen so that Hazard finally delivers for the NT.

Fully agree that Wilmots is holding back the team.

First of all he selects players based on how well he gets along with them on a personal level, and not based on their recent performances.
Hazard's place is on the bench.
Benteke's place is at home.
Lombaert's place is on the field.

Secondly, he refuses to adapt his formation to the available players.
For years we've had many good defenders and zero decent wingers, so it was normal to play with 4 defenders. The backs, even though they were not naturally offensive players, were required to participate in the offence.
Now we have a shortage of good defenders and we have some good true wingers. And still he wants to play with 4 men in defence. So sub-par backs will be on the field, and good wingers will be on the bench.

I think our team will disappoint, and Wilmots wil leave after this tournament.

[Traktor]

That was some O.G. by Ciaran Clark. Ireland could really end up regretting those missed chances come the end.

[Vronski]

(06-13-2016 09:19 AM)seniol Wrote:  

It's silly, they cannot hold responsible a football team (Russia) because of whatever some drunk individuals choose to do in their private lives.

Russian hooligans were not "drunk individuals" (unlike brits, who are, for some of them and from my experience, maybe hooligans but great guys to party with). Russians were very well orginazed fight grougs, teetotal, no drugs, highly-trained, who came to France just to make the point with other hooligans/football fans. They were just very violent, hateful and berserk idiots (but admittedly, very well organized idiots) ......now compare with the cheerful Ukrainian supporters yesterday.

[Renton1875]

(06-13-2016 12:46 PM)Traktor Wrote:  

That was some O.G. by Ciaran Clark. Ireland could really end up regretting those missed chances come the end.

ROI were unlucky, Gary Lineker just finished commentry saying Sweden got a 1-1 draw but never had a shot on target!

Fell a bit deep after they scored. Easily done when defending a 1-0 lead in such an important game.

Really needed win though. Unlucky.

[Traktor]

(06-13-2016 01:07 PM)Vronski Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 09:19 AM)seniol Wrote:  

It's silly, they cannot hold responsible a football team (Russia) because of whatever some drunk individuals choose to do in their private lives.

Russian hooligans were not "drunk individuals" (unlike brits, who are from my experience, maybe hooligans but great guys to party with). Russians were orginazed fight grougs, teetotal, no drugs, highly-trained, who came to France just to make the point with brits (other any hooligans/football fans). They are just berserk idiots.

Apparently one of the 'Russian' hools was spotted sporting a tatoo of Taras Bulba, hero of neo-Nazi Ukrainian Pravy Sektor.

[Traktor]

(06-13-2016 01:11 PM)Renton1875 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 12:46 PM)Traktor Wrote:  

That was some O.G. by Ciaran Clark. Ireland could really end up regretting those missed chances come the end.

ROI were unlucky, Gary Lineker just finished commentry saying Sweden got a 1-1 draw but never had a shot on target!

Fell a bit deep after they scored. Easily done when defending a 1-0 lead in such an important game.

Really needed win though. Unlucky.

Yep agree. Ireland will have their work cut out against Belgium but with the Italians not the force they were four years ago, they could sneak out of the group with three draws.

[rudebwoy]

Italy isn't going to go far in this tournament.

Belgium have the best team, on paper.

France looked average in their win, Payet is going to be the saviour. I was hoping Pogba would show more, he was rightly subbed.

England, same ole England. The coach was lucky to keep his job past the last World Cup, hopefully this tournament will send him packing. Brings on Wilshere and Milner for what reason, I don't know. Throw on the kid Rashford or Vardy for heaven's sake, the Russians were tired late in the game.

Wales need not to lose a game and can advance.

I hate Ze Germans, but they always find away to win. Why was Schweinsteger celebrating like he won the tournament with that goal.

[Il Sorpasso]

I hope that the cannoli will be thick enough to plow through a soft waffle tonight... here we go!

[mikado]

Italians gonna... Italy.

Italy is eternal!!

[Thaitanium]

That was quite an entertaining game. Belgium was a bit disappointing, though with even the four best teams ending up as third in the poule going to the next round, they have every chance to make it.