[Dr. Howard]

Older man/younger woman game has some parallels to Milf/Cougar game.

There is some social stigma once you push past a certain age, despite chicks wanting to bang older dudes/young guys completely willing to bang milfs they are less willing to have that fact known to their social circle.

Day game, online game and plausible deniability are all keys to success. The plausible deniability really helps. If she is pressed by acquaintances and you are her boss, teacher, yoga instructor, self defense instructor etc. She can brush off friends that would shame her.

Example: This hot as all get out girl I used to work with, she was a 10/10 on the 'girl next door' scale. She had been banging, then dating, then was engaged to a guy that was something like 25 years her senior. How did she meet him? Swiping on tinder? Out at a bar? Nope. He was an acquaintance of her father (Freud alert!) and that gave her plausible deniability to establish the relationship.

Her friends "eww who is that creepy old guy you were talking to"
Her "oh haha, thats just a friend of my Dad's he said he can drop me off on the way home"
Her friends "oh thats cool of him"

Plausible. Deniability.

Edit: Plus plausible deniability, creates some sort of mutual deception/taboo thats almost the same 'high' girls get from cheating. The fact that she is duping her friends and doing something 'wrong' is exciting to her if she's already taken the bait.

[starmaze]

Yes, thats how it usually works. Anyway most of us dont have such opportunity to meet hot girls like this. We have to face uphill battle.

[Kid Twist]

Funny (probably because it's true).

[WalkingMan]

(06-10-2016 12:11 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

Yes, thats how it usually works. Anyway most of us dont have such opportunity to meet hot girls like this. We have to face uphill battle.

Doesn't mean you can't find ways to put yourself there. Dr. Howard is pretty spot on with the plausible deniability thing.


To add to his post, it's also important to play along even when you may feel slighted at times. Like if she seems to trash you a bit in front of her coworkers, or curious family members, or spouse (!). She's trying to shake the nosy people off her tail. It's for the greater good. Hopefully you apply some payback by banging her harder and telling her why, lol.

[starmaze]

(06-10-2016 12:54 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:11 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

Yes, thats how it usually works. Anyway most of us dont have such opportunity to meet hot girls like this. We have to face uphill battle.

Doesn't mean you can't find ways to put yourself there. Dr. Howard is pretty spot on with the plausible deniability thing.


To add to his post, it's also important to play along even when you may feel slighted at times. Like if she seems to trash you a bit in front of her coworkers, or curious family members, or spouse (!). She's trying to shake the nosy people off her tail. It's for the greater good. Hopefully you apply some payback by banging her harder and telling her why, lol.

put myslef where?

[mammal]

Ignore it as I do any other such comment.

[WalkingMan]

(06-10-2016 01:08 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:54 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:11 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

Yes, thats how it usually works. Anyway most of us dont have such opportunity to meet hot girls like this. We have to face uphill battle.

Doesn't mean you can't find ways to put yourself there. Dr. Howard is pretty spot on with the plausible deniability thing.


To add to his post, it's also important to play along even when you may feel slighted at times. Like if she seems to trash you a bit in front of her coworkers, or curious family members, or spouse (!). She's trying to shake the nosy people off her tail. It's for the greater good. Hopefully you apply some payback by banging her harder and telling her why, lol.

put myslef where?

Become a part time yoga or zumba instructor.

Teach or tutor something that you're good at, maybe English.

Become a personal trainer, or a masseuse.

Have something that the girls you like want, and may be willing to pay for.

Yoga instructor is probably the easiest.

[AWright]

If you approach girls you will be labeled a creep in some form no matter what. I'm 25 and been labeled a creep by the fat friend a handful of times and its always the fat friend because she is insecure. Goodlookingloser.com had a post about this, this is what the average guys tombstone will say, " didn't get laid much but atleast not a creep." Just up your game and style, be as socially calibrated as you can but understand you will still be labeled occasionally.

[Dr. Howard]

(06-10-2016 01:44 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 01:08 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:54 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:11 PM)starmaze Wrote:  

Yes, thats how it usually works. Anyway most of us dont have such opportunity to meet hot girls like this. We have to face uphill battle.

Doesn't mean you can't find ways to put yourself there. Dr. Howard is pretty spot on with the plausible deniability thing.


To add to his post, it's also important to play along even when you may feel slighted at times. Like if she seems to trash you a bit in front of her coworkers, or curious family members, or spouse (!). She's trying to shake the nosy people off her tail. It's for the greater good. Hopefully you apply some payback by banging her harder and telling her why, lol.

put myslef where?

Become a part time yoga or zumba instructor.

Teach or tutor something that you're good at, maybe English.

Become a personal trainer, or a masseuse.

Have something that the girls you like want, and may be willing to pay for.

Yoga instructor is probably the easiest.

Or teach part time at a community college.

[Rush87]

(06-04-2016 06:21 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 05:38 PM)genevincent Wrote:  

the other day I tried to game this pretty 19-year old college student and her fat friend tried to pour salt on my game. she literally pulled her aside and said something in her ear while giving me side eye. afterwards the girl I was talking to told me fatty asked "why are you talking to that creepy old guy?"

I still got the 8.5/10 college girls number but that part left a bad taste in my mouth. you know how easily influenced these girls are by their friends...

Her fat friend was just jealous that an attractive and distinguished older gentleman was hitting on her cute friend. Fat girls will always pour salt on your game because they are jealous cunts. That's their station in life. You have two courses of action in such a set:

1.) Game the fat friend first to disarm

2.) Ignore her and show the cute girl that her fat friend doesn't phase you

Also: paging Giovanny. I'm sure he has some experience in such a scenario as he is old and pretty much exclusively games the 18-22 bracket.

Usually the best approach. Ignoring the fat girl is like Russian Roulette. Sometimes her sodium levels can be so high that she just goes full on apeshit and ruins everything. Play the odds.

[Four_Strong_Winds]

generally I deal with it like this..

[Robert Plant]

If your in your 40s and handsome...

Be very sexually forward with women over 40, otherwise they WILL label you as a beta provider and expect dinner dates and other stupid crap.

With women in their 30s just use normal game.

With American women in their 20s, be really MELLOW, give off a cool vibe and be extremely non-needy. They will give you obvious signals if they like you. Do not sexualize any interactions until they give you strong signals. The most you should do if you do not get obvious signals is very light kino (e.g. a brush against their hand). I am amazed by how much reaction I still get from women in their early 20s when I play it really cool. I can approach but need to wait for them to give the green light if I want to have a chance. Again, this is for American women only. In other places like Latin America for example the dynamic is different.

[DonnyGately]

(07-14-2016 05:27 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

If your in your 40s and handsome...

Be very sexually forward with women over 40, otherwise they WILL label you as a beta provider and expect dinner dates and other stupid crap.

With women in their 30s just use normal game.

With American women in their 20s, be really MELLOW, give off a cool vibe and be extremely non-needy. They will give you obvious signals if they like you. Do not sexualize any interactions until they give you strong signals. The most you should do if you do not get obvious signals is very light kino (e.g. a brush against their hand). I am amazed by how much reaction I still get from women in their early 20s when I play it really cool. I can approach but need to wait for them to give the green light if I want to have a chance. Again, this is for American women only. In other places like Latin America for example the dynamic is different.

This is good advice, but after starting with light kino you have to ramp it up until she reacts negatively. Slowly but surely. You're gonna have to lead in the vast majority of the 18-22yr old interactions. After a couple drinks you can get the makeout almost every time.

I'd say watch out more for weak negative signals [legs crossed away] more than strong positive ones. If you are getting literally no IOIs then there's a problem with your game.

[xmlenigma]

(06-10-2016 12:00 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Older man/younger woman game has some parallels to Milf/Cougar game.

There is some social stigma once you push past a certain age, despite chicks wanting to bang older dudes/young guys completely willing to bang milfs they are less willing to have that fact known to their social circle.

Day game, online game and plausible deniability are all keys to success. The plausible deniability really helps. If she is pressed by acquaintances and you are her boss, teacher, yoga instructor, self defense instructor etc. She can brush off friends that would shame her.

Example: This hot as all get out girl I used to work with, she was a 10/10 on the 'girl next door' scale. She had been banging, then dating, then was engaged to a guy that was something like 25 years her senior. How did she meet him? Swiping on tinder? Out at a bar? Nope. He was an acquaintance of her father (Freud alert!) and that gave her plausible deniability to establish the relationship.

Her friends "eww who is that creepy old guy you were talking to"
Her "oh haha, thats just a friend of my Dad's he said he can drop me off on the way home"
Her friends "oh thats cool of him"

Plausible. Deniability.

Edit: Plus plausible deniability, creates some sort of mutual deception/taboo thats almost the same 'high' girls get from cheating. The fact that she is duping her friends and doing something 'wrong' is exciting to her if she's already taken the bait.

Good point. I remember a key title from Vin Di Carlo's material..

Anonymity (no one knows, does not have to be approved by her social circuit)
OR
Accountability (some or most of her folks know & approve of you/ she's approved you for visibility)

[Ironbutt62]

LOL.
This rarely happens, but I just got called a creep today. And "gramps" (i'm 54! And, my Italian ancestry allows me to look a little like Joe Mantegna in dim lights. Lol )

Just back from Helsinki. Beautiful 8.5 next to me in plane. 5'7", leggy, caramel colored hair and blue eyes. Great tits that she made sure I could glance down at.
Practically snuggled against me the whole way across the Atlantic Complimented my cologne, as women always do. I was charming. She helped me drink several scotches.
Lights went out, little light kissing, she snoozed on my shoulder.
As we deplaned, was about to ask for her number when she leans in, whispers, "it's been fun, Gramps, but don't even try, I don't date creepy old men".
I laughed out loud.

[blck]

Let's enjoy some old posts

(11-13-2012 01:44 AM)delicioustacos Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:22 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I thought we had agreed not to use the word "creepy" already. That's practically a slur against men. It's used to shame male sexuality--in an ambiguous, catch-all, slammer-statement way--almost exclusively. It stops the conversation, regardless of the reality of the situation. But, it's just a term that just means a girl was made uncomfortable, and she's unwilling or unable to articulate why. She just doesn't like something.

The more we reproduce it, the more power we give it. It's to the point where a chick can call the police and say, "there's a creepy guy outside my building," and they'll show up. Especially if she's young, attractive, and, whether you want to admit it or not, white.

The more we own it, the more of our own power we give it. I am a motherfucking CREEP. If ever a creep walked the surface of the Earth, it is my motherfucking ass.

I want to fuck the youngest cutest girls in the worst ways conceivable. And I pull it off! It fucking happens. I'm the pig staring at you in the office. Maybe I will never fuck you. Fine. I will rawdog a girl who looks exactly like you on a first date off OKCupid. It's all the fucking same to me. After all, I'm just a creep.

Let's not buy into the internet feminists'™ game, where creep means a guy who can't get laid. Creep is their "nigger." Let's own it. I get laid, and I'm way creepier than guys who can't get laid. I'm a way worse creep than those guys. Whatever women want the word "creep" to mean, I promise you, I am, times a thousand. So are you.

But they keep coming back. Women just want to complain about creeps, and I give them what they want. I want pussy, and they give me what I want. Symbiosis.

[Jack_Smith]

(06-04-2016 06:23 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

1. To prevent haters - your outer game has to come up, as do your tactics. So outer game wise, that's the typical get in shape, dress better, more fitting clothes.

^^THIS.

I do not think it is possible to overstate the importance of this for an older guy going after younger girls. At 230/30% body fat, I'm sure I was perceived as creepy. I FELT creepy. At 215/20%, I could get some fat girl play with the young uns. At 195/15% body fat, I got pulled by my sons 25 yo teacher. Zero creep factor. At 210/15%, I am steady pulling/plating 25-35. Couple 18/19 yos in play, but haven't hit it yet. If I can get under 10% body fat, god only knows what might happen.

I took this lesson in full, and pride myself on out lifting, out earning, and out fucking those millennial beard bois. I want to cuck every one of them. Clean shaven. Right after I run them out of the squat rack...

Another thing that mitigates creepiness is being a dad. Especially a single dad. Play it up. You get to be the cool dad they never had. They love that shit more than puppies and you don't have to get up at 0500 to walk that motherfucker in the dead of winter.

[Rawmeo]

How do I deal with a cockblock like that? Simple: "Look, can't you see we're talking?" and continue gaming the cute one.

Last time I did it, the cockblocker let out a whine, put her hands on her waist, and angrily walked away.

[Vaun]

Watch Mad Men, in particular the Duck Phillips character. How he makes ridiculous bets to get ahead, his pathetic drinking problem he cant keep under control, his relationship with his ex wife and kids, how he pursues Peggy like a needy chump, etc, etc.

Dont Be Duck Phillips

[Half Century]

(06-07-2016 11:42 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote:

paging Giovonny.

I don't waste time dealing with haters, critics, or idiots.

I don't care about their opinion.

I'm too busy finding and approaching pretty, young girls.

--

Also, if you don't look or act like a "creep", no one will accuse you of being one.

Appearance, Aesthetics, Presentation, and Social Grace. If these are strong, people will use assume positive things about you, not negative.

I stare too long at girls in the gym. They look at me furtively, too. Am I being creepy you think? I am over 50 checking out girls 19-25. I'm definitely in shape. But, how to approach?
What's the worst rejection you've had from a younger woman that made you feel creepy?

[Robert Plant]

Open indirect and let them chase you. Wait for some IOIs before you start escalating.

[AnonymousBosch]

You shouldn't look like you're 'creeping' on her to begin with.

Hmm, this is something I instinctively-act on, and I'm not sure if I can put it into words well enough to get my point across.

Remember: every young, hot girl thinks she's the prize, but she's not your prize, you're hers.

You pre-dismiss her quickly to highlight the age difference: your controlled wisdom and experience vibe versus her immaturity and YOLO attitude.

You're triggering Daddy Issues. You want to fall into the roles of bemused dad with shit to do versus his fairy princess in a tutu trying to get his attention.

I'm not saying use these responses verbatim, but go for the kind of vibe like you're a cool senior in high school and wouldn't be seen dead dating a junior. It's not a dynamic that makes much sense to men out of high school, but most women, mentally, never move beyond High School Social Dynamics, so will pick up on it.

"Yeah, you're a cute kid. So, have you got an older sister?"

[Response to buy me a drink]. "Do these boys fall for that?" [wait for response] "I admire your honesty. Ah, what the hell." [signal bartender]

[response to flirtation] "Heh, that's sweet. If only I was younger."

"Is that what 'the kids' are into nowadays?"

She's probably not mature enough to handle a relationship with you. She's not yet at her sexual peak that older lovers reach, (this is that type of completely unproven bullshit that girls believe). She's not the experienced, worldly lover you'd prefer. The age differential wouldn't be proper, but oh yeah, it just might be tempting. You're reading her palm, and you can tell that she's full of youthful spirit and energy but still has a lot to learn.

Don't lay it on too thick - watch for over-sensitivity and reactivity - but the vibe you're giving out should be that, although she's very charming and amusing and you two are having a good time you know the age difference isn't really appropriate for anything long term.

Don't go too far into 'What would people think?' You don't want to seem too fuddy-duddy. You're a rule breaker, so would never care if people saw you dating a woman half your age. It's more: well, you'd most likely be bored at having nothing in common.

You're triggering a couple of things here: the female urge to want the behavioural freedoms that come with being older than they are, whilst avoiding the consequences of that freedom by longing to appear younger than they are; the need to be taken seriously, no matter how shit-witted the opinion they're espousing; the predictable 'don't tell me what to do?' desire to break social convention because the rules don't apply to her; and the instinctual female desire towards corruption of the spirits by those around them rather than elevation.

All you have to do is make her think that your sexual desire for her is strong, but your wisdom and experience is holding you back, thinking, yeah it might but fun, but it's a bad idea.

She'll want you, like her, to long to exist as raw emotion, and will work to lead you astray, because corruption with the threat of self-destruction is 'romantic' to them.

I've reached a stage where I can't hide my age, so play up on this now. My beard's gotten quite long, and whilst I still have a lot of colour, I've got two long grey streaks going down from each side of my mouth. A girl asked me why I didn't dye it. "What, and hide my devil horns?"

I mentioned a few weeks ago the girl I'm seeing told me she was going to see 'Wonder Woman' with her friends. I know she subtly asking me along, but I pre-dismissed the invitation. "Ah, I'm a bit old for kid's films. You go and have fun."

Get the differential?

[Premium]

I've never been "controlled" by women

If a chick (any age) is into me..then I reciprocate the interest and explore further.....I never place my bets on one horse during night/booze play... you will find a negative fatty (in most bars...they come with the stools and lighting)...you are out to have a good time SOOO have a good time!

Any chicks that have issues with the above...then look for me later (around last call)....(you'll probably be busy with some other chicks)

[Hypno]

(07-06-2017 06:13 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

You shouldn't look like you're 'creeping' on her to begin with.

Hmm, this is something I instinctively-act on, and I'm not sure if I can put it into words well enough to get my point across.

Remember: every young, hot girl thinks she's the prize, but she's not your prize, you're hers.

You pre-dismiss her quickly to highlight the age difference: your controlled wisdom and experience vibe versus her immaturity and YOLO attitude.

You're triggering Daddy Issues. You want to fall into the roles of bemused dad with shit to do versus his fairy princess in a tutu trying to get his attention.

I'm not saying use these responses verbatim, but go for the kind of vibe like you're a cool senior in high school and wouldn't be seen dead dating a junior. It's not a dynamic that makes much sense to men out of high school, but most women, mentally, never move beyond High School Social Dynamics, so will pick up on it.

"Yeah, you're a cute kid. So, have you got an older sister?"

[Response to buy me a drink]. "Do these boys fall for that?" [wait for response] "I admire your honesty. Ah, what the hell." [signal bartender]

[response to flirtation] "Heh, that's sweet. If only I was younger."

"Is that what 'the kids' are into nowadays?"

She's probably not mature enough to handle a relationship with you. She's not yet at her sexual peak that older lovers reach, (this is that type of completely unproven bullshit that girls believe). She's not the experienced, worldly lover you'd prefer. The age differential wouldn't be proper, but oh yeah, it just might be tempting. You're reading her palm, and you can tell that she's full of youthful spirit and energy but still has a lot to learn.

Don't lay it on too thick - watch for over-sensitivity and reactivity - but the vibe you're giving out should be that, although she's very charming and amusing and you two are having a good time you know the age difference isn't really appropriate for anything long term.

Don't go too far into 'What would people think?' You don't want to seem too fuddy-duddy. You're a rule breaker, so would never care if people saw you dating a woman half your age. It's more: well, you'd most likely be bored at having nothing in common.

You're triggering a couple of things here: the female urge to want the behavioural freedoms that come with being older than they are, whilst avoiding the consequences of that freedom by longing to appear younger than they are; the need to be taken seriously, no matter how shit-witted the opinion they're espousing; the predictable 'don't tell me what to do?' desire to break social convention because the rules don't apply to her; and the instinctual female desire towards corruption of the spirits by those around them rather than elevation.

All you have to do is make her think that your sexual desire for her is strong, but your wisdom and experience is holding you back, thinking, yeah it might but fun, but it's a bad idea.

She'll want you, like her, to long to exist as raw emotion, and will work to lead you astray, because corruption with the threat of self-destruction is 'romantic' to them.

I've reached a stage where I can't hide my age, so play up on this now. My beard's gotten quite long, and whilst I still have a lot of colour, I've got two long grey streaks going down from each side of my mouth. A girl asked me why I didn't dye it. "What, and hide my devil horns?"

I mentioned a few weeks ago the girl I'm seeing told me she was going to see 'Wonder Woman' with her friends. I know she subtly asking me along, but I pre-dismissed the invitation. "Ah, I'm a bit old for kid's films. You go and have fun."

Get the differential?

This is gold, exactly the frame you need.

If you "read her palm" or whatever, you can say something like I can tell you are adventurous, but inexperienced. The former empowers her to ignore her friends and fears, and the latter plays into her insecurities and makes your attention and approval that much more valuable.

[Sam Malone]

(07-06-2017 06:13 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

<snip>
You're triggering Daddy Issues. You want to fall into the roles of bemused dad with shit to do versus his fairy princess in a tutu trying to get his attention.
<snip>

<snip>
[response to flirtation] "Heh, that's sweet. If only I was younger."
<snip>

Shooting from the hip here..

Would the bold be better said as "If only you were older." ?

I think the second phrasing keeps you as the prize, and doesn't make you come across as an old man.

"If only you were older" makes her qualify herself to you. To the hamster brain, her being older could mean if she were only a year or two older, or if she were 15 years older. She has to catch you.

The "If only I was younger" seems like it reminds her that you're older, falls into her frame, and kind of forces her to do the math (if that makes sense). And you're 'past' her in age.