[MikeinMKE]

I want a Trump presidency and the best/easiest way for that to happen is a holy war within the Democratic base that severely damages Hillary's turnout in November.

I think the dynamite is spread all over the place and the gasoline is over in the corner - the retard BernieBros and BenieHoes just need to be nudged to light the match


Many (if not most) of Hillary's superdelegates are ELECTED officials and politicians, and MANY of them are from states that Bernie Sanders won handily.

Take Wisconsin, for example. 7 out of the 10 pledged superdelegates are for Crooked Hillary Clinton, despite the fact that Bernie Sanders won the Wisconsin Democratic Primary by over 13% and won every single congressional district save for Milwaukee (which Clinton eeked out by 3%. Only ONE of Wisconsin's 10 pledged Superdelegates is for Bernie Sanders. This is a travesty, far worse than anything that happened in Nevada. Why isn't Bernie doing a Trump and milking this for publicity and using it as a call to action?

Sanders has run an incredibly impotent campaign in many respects - especially when you consider how passionate his supporters are and how much free time they have, being students.

WHY AREN'T SANDERS SUPPORTERS CAMPING OUT IN THE OFFICES OF HILLARY SUPERDELEGATES? WHY AREN'T SANDERS SUPPORTERS RINGING THE PHONES OFF THE HOOK OF HILLARY SUPERDELEGATES?

He could totally do this - if Hillary's superdelegates in Sanders states unpledged she'd suddenly be short of her magic number. It could force her (at the very least) to pick Sanders as her VP.

If anybody has an account on Reddit, Gawker, Facebook etc. I think the most effective thing we can do to ensure a Trump presidency is to foment unrest in the Democratic base. Please consider posting this thread or variations thereof to encourage action from Bernie supporters.

[BlackHat]

Donald Trump is doing everything to provoke Bernie so he runs as an independent. That would guarantee a Trump victory as the Democrat vote will be split. All moderates going for Hillary while SJW's go with Bernie.
My guy feeling says Bernie will run as independent.

Creating a Petition in Change.org is a good starter IMHO and getting it tweeted by some SJWS it would get the ball rolling.

[Fast Eddie]

NO NO NO



Hillary is in enough trouble as it is. Polls are showing her badly under-performing even in states that democrats have taken for granted over the last 20 years. And she may well lose the California primary to Sanders. Now is not the time to twist the dagger. Hillary is just a puppet, and they WILL replace her if they think she cannot win. When you've been given the incredible luck to be matched against an over-the-hill, barely conscious drunk for the heavyweight title, you don't stupidly attack him and knock him out before he gets in the ring so that he is replaced by a young, fresh and hungry contender.

Wait till Hillary is the nominee. Then pull out all the stops.

[LeoneVolpe]

Sanders making an independent run could be helpful to us in the Trump camp since, in theory, it might siphon away votes from the HAG. But I don't think he'll do it.

I don't want Sanders becoming Clinton's VP pick. Enough Bernie Bros. would probably feel some sense of satisfaction just having him in office somewhere, they'd probably be willing to vote for Crooked Hillary if they thought Sanders could "balance" her out and keep her on the straight and narrow (which is impossible). If Crazy Bernie wants to make an independent run, so be it. But I don't want him on the ticket as VP.

Also, I completely agree with Fast Eddie, Hillary's the easiest opponent. Don't do anything to take her out of the game. Let Trump mop the floor with her in the general election.

[spokepoker]

We shouldn't want Bernie to run independent, we just want his voters to go to Trump. So, by pointing out that the democrats primary election process is skewed to Clinton by way of cronyism, all the democrats who voted for Bernie will have to hate the democrat's voting system.
Make Hillary the powerful evil supreme overlord to them, and they need to get back at her for stealing all their precious wasted votes of Sanders. Point out that even though Sanders won, and they helped him win, he still will never win when she controls all the rules.

The disenfranchisement they will feel for wasting their time and money, we need to always say, "Want to get back at Hillary for fucking you over,?, Vote for Trump!".

Pound it into them that they picked a horse leashed to the starting gate. The system is against them, and Hillary is the system. Fight the system, vote for trump. Etc.

SO, instead of a change.org to get Sander to run independent, have a change.org to punish Hillary (by voting for Trump). Any democrat voting for Trump is 4 times the blow to Hillary than not voting at all.

edit; In fact, don't bring up Trump AT ALL when persuading bernie voters.
Keep them in the frame you build for them, and that frame should be "Hillary". Make it them versus her, her versus them. Trump should not exist for them, it should only be "Vote against Hillary!" or "Hillary destroyed Sanders!, Not voting is a vote for Hillary!".
When posting in any Sanders forums/reddits, always mention Hillary, update them on her campaign trail, always bring her up, never mention Trump. Flood their conscience with her and how she defeated them all. Hillary is evil incarnate, and all their thoughts should be of her, put her on a repeat album for them. Hillary is their world, and they hate the world they live in.

[samsamsam]

I think sometimes people think they are too smart, thinking if XYZ happens they will get the result they want.

I think people should be careful for what they wish for, if Bernie runs as an independent, who knows - something as crazy as him winning COULD happen.

He is a worse choice than Hillary.

If Trump is that solid - he shouldn't need a side show. It isn't as if Trump doesn't have enough flaws. Hillary and Bernie are liking to gang up on Trump - and at some point the loud school bully stuff will wear on people. If we are being perfectly honest, Trump has many deficiencies. I just want him to win so either his turns it around or just plunges the world into total chaos and allows for a rebuild.

[LeoneVolpe]

samsamsam, I agree with what you're saying. There's too much at stake for us to risk Crazy Bernie running as an independent. The only potential benefit (e.g. splitting the democractic vote) is largely outweighed by all the possible drawbacks.

I think all of us feel a sort of powerlessness over this whole election process. We all want Trump to win and wish there was something more we could do to help facilitate that. It's frustrating to sit back and watch what the left has gotten away with and we've run out of other cheeks to turn.

Bottom line: We need to have faith in The Donald to do what he needs to do. When the time comes to vote, we'll do what needs to be done to help Trump make America great again by casting our votes for him!