[samsamsam]

(05-29-2016 09:20 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Come to China and I will get you laid.

(05-30-2016 10:58 AM)germanico Wrote:  

Any 30+ yo virgins in Mexico? PM me, ill put the full force of my network behind you. Trust me and youll get laid.

I am waiting for your infomercials before making a choice

[Guitarman]

I know where you are coming from. I didn't lose my virginity till I was 26 and that was very drunk and to a girl I didn't want to be seen with. Apart from the "seek professional advice". This is the advice I would give;

"But I think you need to get professional help (NO DONT! Psychologists are useless for dating advice! ) if you are a virgin at the age of 30. It is almost always due to some deep seated problems. I was a late virgin and didn't get laid until I was 22. I was deathly terrified of approaching and getting rejected, had terrible conversation skills , no self confidence and had no idea how go from an initial interaction to sex. I also had a lot of false and limiting beliefs and had no one to go to for guidance or advice. It took me a while to get over those problems. "

It took me till my early 20's to realise I had many social and confidence problems. It took me till my 30's till I had had a number or relationships and a few ONS. And not till my mid 40's before I discovered game and really got going. The trouble is, the later you start improving your skills with Women the harder it will be. Best thing you can do is buy some books. Read several times, internalise the information and practise. Bang and Day Bang are obvious choices.

As for what to say on the virgin/ versus previous experience question- I agree with the general advice. Either avoid the question, give vague answers or make something up.

The main issue though is to get your leg over and experience a relationship / a few ONS so you don't have to lie. A relationship with an understanding girl is better as you will get lots of sex practise and get your technique better that way. And you won't have to avoid the subject, lie or be vague.

[Guitarman]

And fucking a few women and having a relationship is the best way to boost your confidence and skills with women. Have a few lower standard "practise girlfriends" and ONS before you attempt to scale the quality ladder.

That's what you are going to have to do to get experience, confidence and to have a few stories to tell when you do meet a quality girl. I find for practise and ONS single mothers are easier. Just don't stay with them or get them pregnant!

[Genghis Khan]

Out of curiosity, OP - are you Indian?

I asked because I know tons of Indian guys who are still virgin really late, including in their 30s. Living in the West is interesting for a lot of Indian people: Indian girls adapt to western style of dating, while Indian guys can't exactly pick up game from their dads and dating in general is considered taboo until your late 20s (and for marriage purposes).

Obviously not every Indian person is a virgin, but I've found that there are many more Indian virgin guys compared to the rest of the population.

[WestIndianArchie]

Man, these dudes gonna have you commit suicide.

Fuck all that.

A man who's a virgin in his thirties is not weird.
To stick your dick into a chick, you need skill, luck, and lots of other things to happen.

A woman who's a virgin at 30 is weird. She's been getting offered sex since she was in high school, even the ugly fat ones. A chick who hasn't banged so late in the game means she was denying herself all sorts of natural urges and purposefully avoiding situations.

Boys don't get offered easy no strings attached sex. Much less love and affection.

Now if you manage to get a date, and this topic comes up, don't volunteer your issues.

I'm not saying you need to lie, that you need to omit things, but don't come out and say "I don't even know where the clit is!"

My own personal style is to embrace faults. You can lie, you can obfuscate.

But the main thing you need to do with any topic that you find uncomfortable is to not make her feel uncomfortable by your lack of comfort.

Chicks are like water, they will assume the form of whatever vessel you put them into. If you're nervous, she'll be nervous. If you're calm, she's calm.

The only time this doesn't work is when you're ready to bang. Now she needs time...

Back to the virgin thing. Be at peace with it. It's not a big deal. Don't bring it up.

If you talk relationships, talk about how you'd like to be in one, and you keep trying, but relationships are much harder than the movies.

If she does, like she straight up asks you, "Are you a virgin or not?"

LIE YOUR ASS OFF.

WIA

[Dantes]

(05-30-2016 06:27 PM)newpua Wrote:  

I'm not obese or unattractive...I'm slim (65 Kg), blue eyes, short hair, >170 cm, I regularly run, cycle and once in a while even lift weights, but I'm definitely not muscular. I don't eat meat.

I just
- Have a beta father full of insecurities...as much as I love him, he has been a disaster in not teaching me anything in how to flirt with women
- Have a mother with some insecurities issues too
- For many years I was more interested in travelling than girls
- Have very difficult tastes with girls

Psycologists are useless...they will just tell me to "go out more", "be more confident", etc...

You received some good advice here. Men have taken the time to respond and provided ways that you can move forward. You should keep us posted with your progress.

Do you even want to get laid? At your age, it should be a mission unless you have some religious reasons that you haven't stated.

Blaming your parents won't help anything. Take responsibility. We all have screwed up parents in one way or the other. This is your issue, not theirs.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(06-03-2016 05:27 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

Blaming your parents won't help anything. Take responsibility. We all have screwed up parents in one way or the other. This is your issue, not theirs.

Something I noticed lots of newbs say:

"I'm really good looking"

"Fuck my parents"

[Genghis Khan]

(06-03-2016 02:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Man, these dudes gonna have you commit suicide.

Fuck all that.

A man who's a virgin in his thirties is not weird.
To stick your dick into a chick, you need skill, luck, and lots of other things to happen.

A woman who's a virgin at 30 is weird. She's been getting offered sex since she was in high school, even the ugly fat ones. A chick who hasn't banged so late in the game means she was denying herself all sorts of natural urges and purposefully avoiding situations.

Boys don't get offered easy no strings attached sex. Much less love and affection.

Now if you manage to get a date, and this topic comes up, don't volunteer your issues.

I'm not saying you need to lie, that you need to omit things, but don't come out and say "I don't even know where the clit is!"

My own personal style is to embrace faults. You can lie, you can obfuscate.

But the main thing you need to do with any topic that you find uncomfortable is to not make her feel uncomfortable by your lack of comfort.

Chicks are like water, they will assume the form of whatever vessel you put them into. If you're nervous, she'll be nervous. If you're calm, she's calm.

The only time this doesn't work is when you're ready to bang. Now she needs time...

Back to the virgin thing. Be at peace with it. It's not a big deal. Don't bring it up.

If you talk relationships, talk about how you'd like to be in one, and you keep trying, but relationships are much harder than the movies.

If she does, like she straight up asks you, "Are you a virgin or not?"

LIE YOUR ASS OFF.

WIA

Thanks for this post WIA.

This is somewhat what I was getting at, when I asked OP if he was Indian. The truth is indeed that it's not a big deal for a guy to be a virgin in his thirties.

I've also met guys with PhDs in STEM majors who are virgins in their 30s. The guys are good men, just lack of opportunity from being in lab/working non-stop in their twenties that's held them back. You'd see a lot more nerds get laid if women were smart/dedicated enough to enter the STEM fields in larger numbers.

[Merenguero]

(05-31-2016 06:39 AM)therealpoder Wrote:  

Most of the guys that get laid the most have the widest standards, meaning that they go for attractive women but they are willing to bang an average or ugly girl if nothing else better is around.

I agree with this, but the guy I know who has the most notches either has extremely low standards or no standards and the quality he gets ranges from the complete bottom or the barrel to maybe a little above average. If he lived in Miami or Los Angeles, I think he would get much fewer notches, but much better quality.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-03-2016 06:07 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

Thanks for this post WIA.

This is somewhat what I was getting at, when I asked OP if he was Indian. The truth is indeed that it's not a big deal for a guy to be a virgin in his thirties.

I've also met guys with PhDs in STEM majors who are virgins in their 30s. The guys are good men, just lack of opportunity from being in lab/working non-stop in their twenties that's held them back. You'd see a lot more nerds get laid if women were smart/dedicated enough to enter the STEM fields in larger numbers.

I feel kinship with my East Indian brothers. Same with my Asian brethren.
If anybody has been sold a bill of goods about how society works, it's them.

Study hard, get into college, get the good job work hard. And you will be rewarded.

Only people I know who work harder are Latinos. Work brutally hard and physical job all day, for peanuts.

But you look up to take stock of your life @ 31, you got 6 figures in the bank, big job, nice car, cool clothes, and crib - but the one thing you really wanted (a blonde with big tits) is nowhere to be found.

Asians and Indians built the internet, made the Zuckerbergs out there billions of dollars...and Caitlin's got em blocked on Twitter. Da fuck?

Try and eat some home cooking, but Laksha and Thuy are steady dating the nerdy white guys.

This can't be life.

Suddenly an arranged marriage back in the motherland don't sound too bad. Some little girl from a farm might be nice consolation prize. She's gonna be just as demanding though...

Game offers a bit of a solution, especially when you can smooth out some of the issues with money. But it's a steep hill to climb for us all. And doubly so if you have an uncool accent.

But I've got partners of both persuasions that upped their game.

Maybe cold approach wasn't the move.

As a black dude, I know chicks (of all colors) can be straight up racist. I actually get the most resistance from Middle Eastern Chicks, Asian chicks and Indian chicks. Not all of em, not even most. But catch a bad one, and my whole night used to be fucked.

As a side note, Black women aren't generically better for me either. I might not be tall enough, dark enough, too dark, not rich enough, too smart, too educated, not hood enough, too much slang...dance too well, don't know the new shit...

All chicks will always throw up objections of why they can't.

I give them reasons and motivations of why they can.

Eventually you get over that shit. Hell, you learn how to take their preconceptions and use them to your advantage.

My boys got good at cold approaching, but they built social circles and came at these chicks at peers or better.

I don't blame anyone for their situation, even if it's one of their own making. But at the end of the day, you can change your self. Once you realize there's a problem, as a man, you have to fix it. No one is gonna fix it for you.

You can change the way you act, the way you think, and that changes your results. That's exercise. That's making money. That's fucking bitches. You don't need to be best player on the planet, you just need to do better than you're doing now.

WIA

[samsamsam]

(06-03-2016 05:40 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

"I'm really good looking"

I notice a lot of guys say this in general. I sometimes wonder how honest they are. Now these days so many guys are defensive and insecure, they just throw shit up there to protect themselves.

From my experience (observations), a good looking guy - majority of the time - has it pretty easy and learns quickly about game.

Also, there are plenty of no game, effeminate pussy wimp type guys with GFs and getting laid. And there are good looking no game guys getting laid.

So something else is off. Or the OP isn't being truthful.

[XXL]

You don't have to lie. You just tell her "I don't talk about past relationships" with serious tone of voice.

Girls don't really want to know your notch count. They want you to reveal something about your past relationships, how it started, how it ended and why to figure you out. You say you don't talk about it and that's it.

[porscheguy]

Get a whore. Eat a steak afterwards to celebrate. And get over this BS of "having difficult tastes in women" because that strategy ain't really working out in your favor.

WIA says there's nothing abnormal about being a virgin at 30. Bless his heart for trying to make you feel better. The fact is, you wear that virgin status on your sleeve like a badge of shame. And women can spot it a mile away. They don't think it's sweet, innocent, or any of that bullshit from a Lifetime special. They're thinking "this guy is creepy." You may not think so, but I guarantee your actions and behaviors however subtle they may be, send up red flags.

I'm sorry if I seem like an asshole. I know that the procurement of whores is not generally endorsed here. But I'm not going to pull any punches. Most people don't have sex for the first time in a scenario laid out in $5 romance novels.

Get a whore. Eat a steak. Report back with your findings.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-05-2016 12:25 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Get a whore. Eat a steak afterwards to celebrate. And get over this BS of "having difficult tastes in women" because that strategy ain't really working out in your favor.

WIA says there's nothing abnormal about being a virgin at 30. Bless his heart for trying to make you feel better. The fact is, you wear that virgin status on your sleeve like a badge of shame. And women can spot it a mile away. They don't think it's sweet, innocent, or any of that bullshit from a Lifetime special. They're thinking "this guy is creepy." You may not think so, but I guarantee your actions and behaviors however subtle they may be, send up red flags.

I'm sorry if I seem like an asshole. I know that the procurement of whores is not generally endorsed here. But I'm not going to pull any punches. Most people don't have sex for the first time in a scenario laid out in $5 romance novels.

Get a whore. Eat a steak. Report back with your findings.

Anyone can get a whore.
He doesn't need sex. He doesn't want sex.

He only thinks he wants sex, but what he really wants is validation.

I am good enough for a woman to like me for me.

Paying a chick for sex won't solve his issue with chicks that he doesn't pay.
And more likely than not, the guy that buys whores will continue to take the easy way out.

WIA

[samsamsam]

(06-05-2016 12:49 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Anyone can get a whore.
He doesn't need sex. He doesn't want sex.

He only thinks he wants sex, but what he really wants is validation.
WIA

Done, next topic.

[newpua]

I just had a ONS with a lady met in a bar...Spanish flag, I would give her a 6, nice face, but a bit fat body, but for a beginning it's ok...the next one will be some thin chick with long hair.

Amazing what can reading "Bang" and this forum do to your confidence!!!

[TheWhiteWolf]

(06-05-2016 06:21 AM)newpua Wrote:  

I just had a ONS with a lady met in a bar...Spanish flag, I would give her a 6, nice face, but a bit fat body, but for a beginning it's ok...the next one will be some thin chick with long hair.

Amazing what can reading "Bang" and this forum do to your confidence!!!

Congrats man

[Suits]

Another forum "happy ending."

[Nascimento]

(06-05-2016 06:21 AM)newpua Wrote:  

I just had a ONS with a lady met in a bar...Spanish flag, I would give her a 6, nice face, but a bit fat body, but for a beginning it's ok...the next one will be some thin chick with long hair.

Amazing what can reading "Bang" and this forum do to your confidence!!!

Fuck yea.

Don't even worry if she wasn't the hottest. Your quality will inevitably go up now, so get back out there and have fun.

[Crisp]

Dantes, EDantes, and edmunddantes posting in the same thread.

Congratulations, I can't even fathom how big of a weight off your shoulders this must be. Any details OP in how you got the bang? What you changed in your game that made it possible which you weren't doing all these other years?

I too notice guys that use the "difficult tastes in women" or some variation of that same theme. It's from guys with little experience. Is it a defense type of mechanism? I mean is it a way of rationalizing why you aren't getting any play? Or is it a way of keeping yourself safe by thinking "well my tastes are so strict that so few girls would even fit into what I desire." I mean I know dudes that like a particular type of girl but if they have experience they put themselves in position to meet the type they want. For example, of the little experience guy, one of my Chinese coworkers in his early twenties has told me he's a virgin. We'll talk about chicks, I'll point out a girl I think is attractive if we both see her, I also have shown him pictures of girls I've banged or just kissed. He always finds a fault with her that makes her "not his type." His type is a knockout long haired blonde, usually from a porn he's seen. I tell him he's not meeting that girl here so "lower your standards" for someone in his reality. Plenty of girls here in Shenzhen, but he's not having it.

[Chowder Head]

He went from 30 yr old virgin to a ONS in one week. All he did was read Bang and problem solved? I call bullshit.

[Il Bersagliere]

That was quite the turnaround for OP. How did you go from meet to bang that quickly? Genuinely curious.

[JuanQuinQuin]

Ok, bro,

Listen to WIA said. The truth is, that in North America, especially the US I have found a lot, a LOT, of guys that spent their 20's with no woman at their side. Either because, yes, they are a bunch of looser or because, they just couldn't find themselves or the time to go out, and relate to women. I went to school for engineering and you would not believe the amount of engineer students that spent 4 years in college and do not get laid. It is astonishing, specially in the Indian, and Asian community and to a lesser extent the Anglos that grew up in rural America. This is in South Florida though. Maybe it is different in other part of the US. The common factor among these groups is that the blue pill ideology is deeply seeded in their minds. They really believe that once they get the job, the car, and the house, then suddenly a Blonde Bimbo will show up. This is the Prince Charming version of these males. So, they wait, and wait, and wait. Do not do this.

Do you think you will feel better if you have been laid? Go, book the next flight to Thailand or Costa Rica if you want, and spent the next 2 weeks fucking everything you like. After you fuck a couple of women, you wont see women in the same light as before. You will see them as people that also like to fuck, or in their case, they like to get fucked well. You will look at them in a more sexual way which will lead to more attraction or sexual attraction in every woman you deal with. P4P wont give you the intimacy you may want but usually sex feels very good even without the intimacy, and usally P4P is cheaper. Not to mention you will feel more confident afterwards.
Peace out, I do not recommend P4P but I do see the benefits of P4P.

[mammal]

I think it's a too personal question. "I don't discuss them any more than I discuss with my mail friends what you and I do together."
You don't have to answer any question you're asked.
You could volunteer "I don'thave sex with girls and dump them, and I don't have any sexually transmitted diseases if that's what you're asking."

[Jim Johnson]

(05-29-2016 03:23 PM)newpua Wrote:  

What kind of story would you create if during a date a girl asks you about your previous partners...if you never had any?

Actually, it is not bad if you are in the right crowd. Go to church, find a clean girl, tell her you are holding out until marriage. If you use your status right, you can find someone who holds those ideals.