[The Lizard of Oz]

(05-19-2016 06:50 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

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Looks like yet another terrorist attack. Airplane departed from Paris. When will we get tough, smart and vigilant? Great hate and sickness!

He's right. Great hate and sickness is exactly right.

Time to deal with it.

[Captainstabbin]

France accepts huge numbers of Muslims. Terrorist attacks start happening with increasing frequency. Now it seems these muslims have jobs in sensitive areas.

Will France ever stand up to an enemy? Are they waiting for us to defeat ISIS for them so that, instead of saying 'Thank you', they can criticize our uncivilized warmongering again?

[Fast Eddie]

(05-19-2016 07:06 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

It's not the frequency of plane crashes that's putting me off, it's the helplessness of the situation if your plane goes down.

If a boat sinks, I can get on a lifeboat and wait for help.

When I'm in my car, I have some level of control over the outcome in a crash situation. It could be caused by another driver, but at some level my own reflexes come into the equation.

When you're up in the air, you're in the hands of your pilot and those of the mechanics who worked on your plane. If either of those fail, there's really not much you can do.

And I have flown a lot, international and otherwise. Stuff like this is just making me nervous is all.

Completely agree. I'll add to this that there is a palpable (to me) sense of menace every time I have to suffer through a take-off, and I used to fly twice a week every week for 2 years straight without it going away. You're sitting in a machine weighing hundreds of tons, much of its mass composed of jet fuel, and relying on the perfect functioning of millions of individual parts manufactured by thousands of companies all over the world. Moreover, this machine is worked tirelessly; the Airbus in this particular story had 48,000 flight hours on it, which means it was in the air nearly 6 years! All the while it is subject to stresses of landing, turbulence, and the countless pressurization and depressurization cycles.

All this knowledge is enough to make me feel ill at ease when I'm hurtling down the runway past the no-abort point, and then again when the plane is just a few hundred meters above the ground, banking, and I'm hoping none of its control surfaces jam and cause it to plunge into the ground in the space of 3 seconds.

But yeah, once at cruise I'm pretty relaxed

[Glaucon]

(05-20-2016 02:01 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

...
But yeah, once at cruise I'm pretty relaxed
...

Exactly the same for me. Take off is a huge risk. I don't know how stewardesses cope with it. I would go crazy.

Also, if I ever see a remotely Muslim looking guy I wont board that thing. Thankfully so far the routes I have been travelling, the plane was beautifully full of whites, but I only travel inside Europe.

[AboveAverageJoe]

(05-19-2016 09:38 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As I always say, pay the Jizya and fly Emirates if you can.

No terrorist is going to bite the hand that feeds them all.

Or fly El Al. You notice they never have random explosions either.
(Provided Mordechai Vanunu isn't on board.)

[atlant]

(05-20-2016 02:01 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 07:06 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

It's not the frequency of plane crashes that's putting me off, it's the helplessness of the situation if your plane goes down.

If a boat sinks, I can get on a lifeboat and wait for help.

When I'm in my car, I have some level of control over the outcome in a crash situation. It could be caused by another driver, but at some level my own reflexes come into the equation.

When you're up in the air, you're in the hands of your pilot and those of the mechanics who worked on your plane. If either of those fail, there's really not much you can do.

And I have flown a lot, international and otherwise. Stuff like this is just making me nervous is all.

Completely agree. I'll add to this that there is a palpable (to me) sense of menace every time I have to suffer through a take-off, and I used to fly twice a week every week for 2 years straight without it going away. You're sitting in a machine weighing hundreds of tons, much of its mass composed of jet fuel, and relying on the perfect functioning of millions of individual parts manufactured by thousands of companies all over the world. Moreover, this machine is worked tirelessly; the Airbus in this particular story had 48,000 flight hours on it, which means it was in the air nearly 6 years! All the while it is subject to stresses of landing, turbulence, and the countless pressurization and depressurization cycles.

All this knowledge is enough to make me feel ill at ease when I'm hurtling down the runway past the no-abort point, and then again when the plane is just a few hundred meters above the ground, banking, and I'm hoping none of its control surfaces jam and cause it to plunge into the ground in the space of 3 seconds.

But yeah, once at cruise I'm pretty relaxed

Thanks for this, I was sure I was the only one with this specific fear of the take off in particular. It is basically like a "Well let's see if this thing works, right?" moment. It is the equivalent of getting into a car you have never been in before, driven by someone you don't know, that immediately starts going 100 mph on the highway without the ability to brake.

I can mostly deal with turbulence now, other things still make me nervous. When they reduce the thrust at a certain altitude after takeoff, no matter how many times, I still get stressed out thinking "did the engines fail?". Or noises that I cannot associate with anything. Some plane engines make really weird noises.

Flying isn't fun for me at all. I somehow enjoy airports though.

[kaotic]

I always get a smile when we we take off or land, just knowing how much power is behind those engines, rocketing us down that run way till we take off and then climb.

Call me an adrenaline junkie, I love that shit.

I accept that the plane I'm on can go down at any tie, I'm at peace with that.

[mikado]

(05-20-2016 02:07 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 02:01 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

...
But yeah, once at cruise I'm pretty relaxed
...

Exactly the same for me. Take off is a huge risk. I don't know how stewardesses cope with it. I would go crazy.

Also, if I ever see a remotely Muslim looking guy I wont board that thing. Thankfully so far the routes I have been travelling, the plane was beautifully full of whites, but I only travel inside Europe.

What does "looking Muslim" mean? Looking Arab? Black? Having a long beard?

No troll, I am just curious to hear your answer.

[El Chinito loco]

(05-20-2016 01:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I always get a smile when we we take off or land, just knowing how much power is behind those engines, rocketing us down that run way till we take off and then climb.

Call me an adrenaline junkie, I love that shit.

I accept that the plane I'm on can go down at any tie, I'm at peace with that.

When you fly dozens of time each year and sometimes with some rinky dink local airlines across the ring of fire turbulence or over the pacific ocean that shit gets old real fast.

You just want to take off and land safely every time.

[kaotic]

(05-20-2016 05:59 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 02:07 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 02:01 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

...
But yeah, once at cruise I'm pretty relaxed
...

Exactly the same for me. Take off is a huge risk. I don't know how stewardesses cope with it. I would go crazy.

Also, if I ever see a remotely Muslim looking guy I wont board that thing. Thankfully so far the routes I have been travelling, the plane was beautifully full of whites, but I only travel inside Europe.

What does "looking Muslim" mean? Looking Arab? Black? Having a long beard?

No troll, I am just curious to hear your answer.

He just hates anyone "that looks muslim".

He'd hate even seeing me 10 ft away then.

Brown with a black beard, of course he wouldn't read the military veteran foundation shirt I had on.

(05-20-2016 06:13 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 01:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I always get a smile when we we take off or land, just knowing how much power is behind those engines, rocketing us down that run way till we take off and then climb.

Call me an adrenaline junkie, I love that shit.

I accept that the plane I'm on can go down at any tie, I'm at peace with that.

When you fly dozens of time each year and sometimes with some rinky dink local airlines across the ring of fire turbulence or over the pacific ocean that shit gets old real fast.

You just want to take off and land safely every time.

Yeah I agree with that, I've hit turbulence plenty in the pacific and the rockies. You're right it does get old, but taking off and landing are always fun for me.

I just can't believe we still have planes blowing up and we still haven't found that Malaysia Airlines Flight

[Emancipator]

(05-19-2016 10:46 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

I'm always weary of AirBuses since it's largely computer based and doesn't allow for pilot flexibility in the event of error, seems a lot of pilots overdepend on it (AF447), whereas Boeing has a much more "pilot feedback" flexibility in the event of something going wrong (David Williams)

Then again you get pilot error for Boeing as well (Asiana SF) hrug:

[Latinopan]

(05-19-2016 03:45 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

I actually hate to (in all likelihood) have been right ( thread-51515...pid1143693 )...

I mean, why do people keep going to high-risk Egypt, or Tunisia? Don't they know about Cyprus, the Balearic islands, or Croatia, if they want non-expensive holiday under the sun...? Taking risks is ok, taking exaggerated risks is not okay. (disclaimer: this reasoning is valid for holiday-goers, not for businessmen)

Also, it's starting to look like the plane (and bomb??) originated from CDG Paris airport, and well, I posted, couple of times, on this forum, links to P. de Villiers' excellent book on islamism at CDG (Les Mosquees de Roissy, a must-read).

http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/mosqu...69118.html

In any case, one good news: the French government has, at long last, started to de-islamize the CDG airport, this year. (In 2016, French intel officers removed around 60 islamists from CDG workforce. Hopefully the airport will soon be perfectly safe again)

The fact you can't have a number of people of a particular religion in one part because soon bad shit start happening is telling, in the USA Mormons are not a big group but I read they make about 20% of all law enforcement including CIA, Secret Service, and FBI. But we do not have to worry about them doing some crazy shit, you can't have a number of Islamist in one place? then the ideology has a is a problem.

[Roosh]

(05-20-2016 02:07 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

Also, if I ever see a remotely Muslim looking guy I wont board that thing. Thankfully so far the routes I have been travelling, the plane was beautifully full of whites, but I only travel inside Europe.

3 day race trolling ban.

[Leonard D Neubache]

At the risk of a three day ban, I still think it's fair to say that if I see this guy...



...I'm not getting on the plane.

[Ski pro]

A good source for information whenever there is a airliner crash is the airliners.net forums. Great sources of knowledge and information.

Their stuff on the AF447 that went down from Rio to Paris was amazing to read, especially regarding just how long the planes that we all travel in are out of contact sometimes.

Here is their link to the current discussion on this latest crash. Seems like it might not be terrorism, I kind of hope not because of the Implications of air travel from main hubs in Europe.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums...01324/1/#1


On a slightly different note, am I the only one who gets agrivated by the sheer pointlessness of the minimum wage jokers running the 'security' at airports. It's all a sham. Those who are actually awake to the reality of the kind of matrix that we all live in know that it's all a joke when we scan bags, take off shoes and belts, laptops in the tray blah blah.

No serious terrorist is going to try and get a bomb through regular security. The guys that blew up the Russian jet from Egypt smuggled the bomb on board through the baggage staff and the guys that blew up the airport in Brussels didn't even want to get on the plane.

[El Chinito loco]

(05-21-2016 05:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

At the risk of a three day ban, I still think it's fair to say that if I see this guy...



...I'm not getting on the plane.

The charming fellow in that pic reminds me of this ..

[Samseau]

(05-21-2016 05:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

At the risk of a three day ban, I still think it's fair to say that if I see this guy...



...I'm not getting on the plane.

Although I would feel nervous as well, I would also ask wonder if Muslims even board planes to hijack them anymore? What's the point? They put the bomb on via the baggage staff and don't have to blow themselves up with it.

Seems like they may be moving past the hijacking thing, mass-destruction is more popular among jihadists than martyrdom nowadays.

So if I saw a Muslim guy like that I'd probably decide he wouldn't blow himself up he would do it more discreetly, I think ISIS may be also doing this to cut down on manpower costs.

[Samseau]

(05-19-2016 09:38 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As I always say, pay the Jizya and fly Emirates if you can.

No terrorist is going to bite the hand that feeds them all.

Well, I'd prefer not to get blown up, but at the same time I'm not going to surrender to an evil religion that attacks innocent people and help fund them.

[kaotic]

(05-22-2016 08:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Although I would feel nervous as well, I would also ask wonder if Muslims even board planes to hijack them anymore? What's the point? They put the bomb on via the baggage staff and don't have to blow themselves up with it.

Seems like they may be moving past the hijacking thing, mass-destruction is more popular among jihadists than martyrdom nowadays.

So if I saw a Muslim guy like that I'd probably decide he wouldn't blow himself up he would do it more discreetly, I think ISIS may be also doing this to cut down on manpower costs.

I was only teasing Glaucon, I get what he's saying.

If you think about the trend makes sense, it's easy.

Look at what the raid came up with at France's major airport, Islamist sympathizers.

They made airports softened targets, all they need to do is find people who already work there.

[Mr. Accuride]

(05-22-2016 08:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Although I would feel nervous as well, I would also ask wonder if Muslims even board planes to hijack them anymore? What's the point? They put the bomb on via the baggage staff and don't have to blow themselves up with it.

9/11 ended future hijackings for at least 100 years. The only reason people didn't fight back hijackings was because all of the previous hijackings just involved an inconvenient detour to Cuba or some exotic location where the hijackers could escape, and then the plane could refuel and go back to its intended destination.

Now the passengers are all going to fight back and attack any hijacker if the alternative is a suicide run anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Ai...light_7554

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/17/travel/uni...passenger/

[RandomGuy1]

(05-22-2016 09:19 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

A good source for information whenever there is a airliner crash is the airliners.net forums. Great sources of knowledge and information.

Thanks. This was really great to read, very good information which is shared there.

I also like www.avherald.com It's not really a forum but useful statements can be found in the comments section.

[scrambled]

Quote:


Now the passengers are all going to fight back and attack any hijacker if the alternative is a suicide run anyway.

So cowards fight when they can fly no further;
So doves do peck the falcon's piercing talons;
So desperate thieves, all hopeless of their lives,
Breathe out invectives 'gainst the officers.