[R_Niko]

with female friends, I find one of two scenarios ultimately arise:

1) they're secret in love with me
2) they assume I'm secretly in love with them and treat me like a simp

While it is possible to have female friends, it needs to be essentially a brother-sister relationship, ie no sexual tension. If you're nailing tons of chicks, she needs to be cool with that. If you want to settle down with a nice girl who makes you happy, she needs to be cool with that too.

I had sex with the last female friend I made, typical "we're just gonna do this one time" type deal, and of course she wasn't cool with that. But ehh, she wasn't that great a friend

[General Stalin]

I've written about this before.

The only girls I'm "friends" with are girls I've already banged who still add value to my life, girls who are too unattractive to bang, or family members/girlfriends' of my friends.

[WestIndianArchie]

For players, it's necessary.
For red pill guys, it's a hindrance.

WIA

[the biggest cheetah]

Asking a woman to be your friend is about as logical as asking a dog to be your significant other.

[Orion]

Having women friends is one of those things that could work in theory but never happens in practice.

[Pride male]

A female friend is just a woman who you havent fucked yet.

[GlobalMan]

(04-14-2016 10:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

For players, it's necessary.
For red pill guys, it's a hindrance.

WIA

What does this mean?

Aren't most players red pill?

[Matsufubu]

I've had many female friends, and all but one have tried to have sex with me at some point or another. The only one that didn't was ten years older than me, a 5, and it was more of a brother/sister chemistry than anything. Even then it was lots of silly arguments because I'd always call her on her bad behaviour, and women aren't used to that. Back then I had the time and patience for drama, not so much now.

I won't bother writing much more as AB covered the dynamics far better than I could, but it is worth it just to get a look at what their minds are like, and yes, it's a completely different type of friendship to that with a man. I'd definitely recommend a female friend if she's older than you and has more maturity to her.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

As I've gotten older and more laid back, I'll be friends with anyone until they prove themselves otherwise. Life's too short to not accept value in people you meet. I don't fall over myself trying to befriend anyone, but if the person is cool, I'll give them a shot. It's tough to earn friendship, in the truest sense of the word. Bringing a "no girls allowed" mindset isn't really even on my radar, because it's negative from the onset.

That being said, most women prove that they are not a true friend in the long run. As do a lot of men. No trouble at all with that, lots of new strangers to meet to replace them.

[AnonymousBosch]

(04-15-2016 02:55 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 10:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

For players, it's necessary.
For red pill guys, it's a hindrance.

WIA

What does this mean?

Aren't most players red pill?

Hopefully, he'll clarify.

Maybe he's speaking of what I see as a generational difference.

Guys of my father's or my age who were Players genuinely-loved the company of women. They could be frustrating and charming, soothing and infuriating, but if you knew how to lead the woman in the dance of seduction, it was fun and rewarding for both partners, even if it was just a one night stand.

Red Pill Guys (I'll speak more of the Reddit conception of it) seem to love banging women for transactionary reasons: sexual release and power, but don't seem to love women themselves. There's some degree of resentment over their games and behaviour, and it casts a dark shade across their interactions with them.

Bluntly: I think there's a large component of Red Pill Guys who are deeply-disappointed in women for not being like men, particularly, for not living up to the standards of male behaviour and for thinking emotionally rather than logically.

As I've said before, I don't expect a dog to meow and I'm not going to get angry at it for not being able to do so. Dogs bark, women love emotional drama. It just is.

If a guy is carrying deep resentment, I'd advise him to consider that he's projecting, and if it could offer him ways to improve his game and social presentation.

Back to the dog metaphor: a couple of weeks back I'd had an afternoon date in a park with a woman, and it transitioned to 'come back to my place for dinner', She warned me before we went inside that she was having problems with her dog's bad behaviour.

The dog was barking at the door, got initally jumpy as we came in, but I settled it down quickly. It seemed fine: did the usual scratch its ears, rub its tummy thing.

We cook dinner, and sit down to eat. Conversation is going well, good vibe, until she goes to answer the door.

When she comes back in she suddenly realises the dog wasn't barking at the door like it normally does. She panicked, saying "Whenever I sit down to eat, she whimpers for food all through the meal. I didn't even notice. She must have gotten out."

A natural catastrophiser: from 0 to 8 on the drama scale in the space of 40 seconds. This is when I chuckled and said "Look under the table."

She did. The dog was lying at my feet, quite content, one paw respectfully-placed upon my foot.

At first, she thought this was very cute, and snapped a picture, but after she sat back down, she seemed to darken, and kept steering the conversation back to the damn dog, until she got angry about the whole situation. "I've been training her! I paid a lot of money to get someone else to train her! Why does she behave so well for you?"

Things when downhill from there. I misread the situation and made the situation worse by laughing over how it was 'no big deal', and that maybe she should wine and dine the dog. No bang that night. Cockblocked by a Black Lab, go figure.

See how she's projecting though? She wasn't angry at the dog, she was angry at her inability to reign in the dog's bullshit.

Note that I couldn't reign in that particular girl's bullshit, but I didn't come out of the interaction resenting either her, or my inability to dial her down in that particular situation. I see no point in taking unnecessary negative energy on board. Some girls are just prone to, well, fully-embracing bullshit.

[debeguiled]

I must have some inner work to do on projection. This post is making me think that women shouldn't be allowed to own dogs. Or have children, but I don't have to say that, because they don't want children.

[Comte De St. Germain]

On a personal note I do enjoy the company of a good looking woman if I'm having coffee or tea, outside with good weather, and reading a book at the coffee joints I frequent. It's kind of the perfect atmosphere for me to enjoy myself.

Everything feels better with beautiful company period. My coffee is tastier. The cloudy sky feels nicer. Whenever I look up from my book I see a pretty face, and if I get tired of reading for a bit I can flirt/verbally spar with her for a bit.

Then again that's a more personal preference, but I do recommend it. It's very cathartic and all feels right in the world.

[muscless]

This is why adultery is through the roof these days (working together) where in the past men and women had their own areas that they work at for a reason!

Seriously, there is basically no good morals left in the west!

[King of Monkeys]

I can't be friends with women I'm attracted to. As soon as I talk, I can feel my behavior change and either I become too anxious and my mind clouds, or I become more playful and start teasing her and move the conversation towards more flirting.

I also cannot see a woman ever putting her life on the line to save mine. Although finding good and reliable male friends is difficult, I could count on a close friend to risk their life to save mine and vice versa. Even when it comes down to a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, I cannot recount a single instance where a girlfriend put their life on the line to protect their boyfriend.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Two reasons to have women as friends, both of which paid off in spades for me in the past:

1). Pre-selection. Be seen with a good-looking woman and your standing goes way up with other women. A female-friend is especially great for dry spells when you want to mingle.

2). To connect to her social circle. I've befriended girls with the sole intent of banging their friends. Worked, too. Plus, it gave me access into several other social circles, because with each girl came a new "mini circle" of female friends. Getting back to point one, once you've dated one, that's a form of "pre-selection."

Just make sure the women you befriend are women you have no feelings toward. This gets easier as you get older and they get worse looking, more annoying, and wear perfume that reminds you of grade school teachers you used to hate.

[CynicalContrarian]

If you are aware of their 'red-flags'. If you're aware of their history & their true nature in regards to how they deal with or what they expect of the opposite gender.
Then you can be sociable friends with a chick. IE 2-3 hours max at a time.
Of course in that instance, it very much becomes a case of them having some redeeming personality traits or conduct.

Met a new female friend a few months ago who is new to Australia & as such is actively outgoing & adventurous to do & see new things.
Which is a plus for someone like myself, because in not having kids, I also intend to be proactive & outgoing & experience new ventures.
However as far as active dating? Too many red-flags.
So it's actually a plus that I was able to get an understanding of her personality / history without becoming too closely attached & as a result, I was
able to avoid a fair amount of drama.

Not to mention, the aforementioned 'red-pill' truths one gets to witness in person as a 3rd party when having female friends.
Even better, are the mental gymnastics they employ to justify this that or the other, when I allude to a 'red-pill' truth.

Strange though that the three social female friends I have are not friendly to each other...

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-15-2016 02:55 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 10:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

For players, it's necessary.
For red pill guys, it's a hindrance.

WIA

Aren't most players red pill?

Most players aren't Red Pill ™

Players existed well before Red Pill ™ type guys.

WIA

[General Stalin]

(04-15-2016 08:53 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

On a personal note I do enjoy the company of a good looking woman if I'm having coffee or tea, outside with good weather, and reading a book at the coffee joints I frequent. It's kind of the perfect atmosphere for me to enjoy myself.

Everything feels better with beautiful company period. My coffee is tastier. The cloudy sky feels nicer. Whenever I look up from my book I see a pretty face, and if I get tired of reading for a bit I can flirt/verbally spar with her for a bit.

Then again that's a more personal preference, but I do recommend it. It's very cathartic and all feels right in the world.

This actually made me think about a trait I possess and I'm not sure if it's negative social anxiety issue or merely a harmless personal preference:

I cannot do what you explain here. Reason being, if I'm sharing personal time with an attractive female, I want to be intimate with her. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a drink and chat idly, but I like to have the idea in my head that I can kiss this girl, touch her body, and possibly have sex with her.

This is the reason I do not go to strip clubs. I see no benefit to myself hanging around with sexually arousing women who I am not going to potentially be intimate with. It just becomes and pointless distraction for me.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-16-2016 11:08 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 08:53 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

On a personal note I do enjoy the company of a good looking woman if I'm having coffee or tea, outside with good weather, and reading a book at the coffee joints I frequent. It's kind of the perfect atmosphere for me to enjoy myself.

Everything feels better with beautiful company period. My coffee is tastier. The cloudy sky feels nicer. Whenever I look up from my book I see a pretty face, and if I get tired of reading for a bit I can flirt/verbally spar with her for a bit.

Then again that's a more personal preference, but I do recommend it. It's very cathartic and all feels right in the world.

This actually made me think about a trait I possess and I'm not sure if it's negative social anxiety issue or merely a harmless personal preference:

I cannot do what you explain here. Reason being, if I'm sharing personal time with an attractive female, I want to be intimate with her. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a drink and chat idly, but I like to have the idea in my head that I can kiss this girl, touch her body, and possibly have sex with her.

This is the reason I do not go to strip clubs. I see no benefit to myself hanging around with sexually arousing women who I am not going to potentially be intimate with. It just becomes and pointless distraction for me.

It's not for everyone. For me it's like enjoying a fine piece of art. The occasional giggles or inane comment with a sweet voice. She's dressed nice so she's exciting and beautiful. A bit of human warmth as girls like to lean against my shoulder. The last girl I did this with liked to grab my cigarette out of mouth and take drags then put it back in which I found kind of endearing in a strange way.

The closest experience I would describe it too as the eldest with two siblings and the second eldest out of all of cousins in a large family where I had to look after a lot of kids, is like playing with kids. It just evokes warm feelings and a smile just playing around a bit like that.

It's not really an intelligent kind of emotion, but more like stopping complex thoughts and enjoying a bit of pleasantness.

Honestly it's actually rather hard to relate something like a feeling into words especially when the target doesn't have the same kind of appreciation for it(such as my not being able to enjoy country music, but a lot of people I know do).

[HankMoody]

I think I've written about this in the past. I started out in the camp of having zero female friends, to maintaining casual relationships with some.

Generally, these are the reasons to have female friends:

- You want to be seen in public with hot chicks
- You want to infiltrate their social circle
- You may want to bang but don't really feel like actively pursuing it, and instead just run very low investment long game
- You want to learn how the sausage is made

My general musings from having several hot female friends and running in a few social circles:

1. Women are pigs. They talk to their female friends a LOT about cock, who they want to bang, etc. Women also bang out a lot more than you think, and have far more partners than you realize. They lie about how many guys they've banged, too. Their notch count is always way more than you'd think.

2. Women are no substitute for male companionship. You want to discuss substantive topics that have meaning and depth? Those topics are better discussed in the company of men. I have met few, if any, females who can have a deep worthwhile conversation. Part of the problem is they inject emotion into everything.

3. Women don't actually like their other women friends. It's a world of jealousy, cattiness, etc. Their friendships tend to be extremely superficial.

4. Social circle game is much better than online dating. But this is the issue - if you're a beta orbiter, you're never going to get poon and she's going to be pissed if you try. If you're an alpha, it's expected that you're going to try because that's just what you do. Do not ever actually join a social circle - simply bounce around a few. Otherwise you become common.

5. Women love their smartphones and cheap amusement. A lot. Part of hanging out with a woman you're not banging is accepting the fact that she's going to be on the phone texting, Instagramming, Tweeting, snapchatting, etc. They have very short attention spans.

6. A woman's SMV starts dropping at 25, dramatically at 30, and then by 35 they're washed up. Men, however, can smash 20 year olds well into their 40s. Women in their 20s have no problem admitting that they fuck guys in their 40s, and most prefer it.

7. On that note, dating older women is dumpster diving. They're not more mature or more interesting. They're actually quite depressing. Young women will invigorate your soul and they're easy to impress.

8. You have to be a masculine man to maintain female friends. Otherwise, you're one of the girls. Do not become that guy who only has female friends, either. Maintain more male friends than female friends.

9. Women feel entitled to everything. You don't have to be a total dick all the time, but don't be that guy who goes shopping with her, takes her to the airport, and gives her a ride to that totally hot guy's house who she met on Tinder. Draw boundaries.

10. Women will always create drama. They all say "I don't like to create drama" or "I'm not like other girls." Yes, they all are like that. They all create drama, whether it be over a dude, a cat, or something else. You didn't return a text message, or you wouldn't drive them to the airport, and suddenly it's dramatic. They key is to not get too close.

[General Stalin]

(04-16-2016 11:30 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 11:08 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 08:53 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

On a personal note I do enjoy the company of a good looking woman if I'm having coffee or tea, outside with good weather, and reading a book at the coffee joints I frequent. It's kind of the perfect atmosphere for me to enjoy myself.

Everything feels better with beautiful company period. My coffee is tastier. The cloudy sky feels nicer. Whenever I look up from my book I see a pretty face, and if I get tired of reading for a bit I can flirt/verbally spar with her for a bit.

Then again that's a more personal preference, but I do recommend it. It's very cathartic and all feels right in the world.

This actually made me think about a trait I possess and I'm not sure if it's negative social anxiety issue or merely a harmless personal preference:

I cannot do what you explain here. Reason being, if I'm sharing personal time with an attractive female, I want to be intimate with her. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a drink and chat idly, but I like to have the idea in my head that I can kiss this girl, touch her body, and possibly have sex with her.

This is the reason I do not go to strip clubs. I see no benefit to myself hanging around with sexually arousing women who I am not going to potentially be intimate with. It just becomes and pointless distraction for me.

It's not for everyone. For me it's like enjoying a fine piece of art. The occasional giggles or inane comment with a sweet voice. She's dressed nice so she's exciting and beautiful. A bit of human warmth as girls like to lean against my shoulder. The last girl I did this with liked to grab my cigarette out of mouth and take drags then put it back in which I found kind of endearing in a strange way.

The closest experience I would describe it too as the eldest with two siblings and the second eldest out of all of cousins in a large family where I had to look after a lot of kids, is like playing with kids. It just evokes warm feelings and a smile just playing around a bit like that.

It's not really an intelligent kind of emotion, but more like stopping complex thoughts and enjoying a bit of pleasantness.

Honestly it's actually rather hard to relate something like a feeling into words especially when the target doesn't have the same kind of appreciation for it(such as my not being able to enjoy country music, but a lot of people I know do).

I completely understand that, and it's not a foreign concept to me - I just can't bring myself to feel that way about it (yet).

I don't know how old you are or your history of game in comparison to mine. I'm still in my 20's and my hormones are still raging, so being able to sit back, chill, and just appreciate the more subtle fine points of female company does not come as easily to me. That is, without the idea in my head that we can/will be smashing.

I guess it really comes down to self control. Can I subdue my sexual urges and desires when spending time with an attractive woman? Should I?

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-16-2016 12:51 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 11:30 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 11:08 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 08:53 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

On a personal note I do enjoy the company of a good looking woman if I'm having coffee or tea, outside with good weather, and reading a book at the coffee joints I frequent. It's kind of the perfect atmosphere for me to enjoy myself.

Everything feels better with beautiful company period. My coffee is tastier. The cloudy sky feels nicer. Whenever I look up from my book I see a pretty face, and if I get tired of reading for a bit I can flirt/verbally spar with her for a bit.

Then again that's a more personal preference, but I do recommend it. It's very cathartic and all feels right in the world.

This actually made me think about a trait I possess and I'm not sure if it's negative social anxiety issue or merely a harmless personal preference:

I cannot do what you explain here. Reason being, if I'm sharing personal time with an attractive female, I want to be intimate with her. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a drink and chat idly, but I like to have the idea in my head that I can kiss this girl, touch her body, and possibly have sex with her.

This is the reason I do not go to strip clubs. I see no benefit to myself hanging around with sexually arousing women who I am not going to potentially be intimate with. It just becomes and pointless distraction for me.

It's not for everyone. For me it's like enjoying a fine piece of art. The occasional giggles or inane comment with a sweet voice. She's dressed nice so she's exciting and beautiful. A bit of human warmth as girls like to lean against my shoulder. The last girl I did this with liked to grab my cigarette out of mouth and take drags then put it back in which I found kind of endearing in a strange way.

The closest experience I would describe it too as the eldest with two siblings and the second eldest out of all of cousins in a large family where I had to look after a lot of kids, is like playing with kids. It just evokes warm feelings and a smile just playing around a bit like that.

It's not really an intelligent kind of emotion, but more like stopping complex thoughts and enjoying a bit of pleasantness.

Honestly it's actually rather hard to relate something like a feeling into words especially when the target doesn't have the same kind of appreciation for it(such as my not being able to enjoy country music, but a lot of people I know do).

I completely understand that, and it's not a foreign concept to me - I just can't bring myself to feel that way about it (yet).

I don't know how old you are or your history of game in comparison to mine. I'm still in my 20's and my hormones are still raging, so being able to sit back, chill, and just appreciate the more subtle fine points of female company does not come as easily to me. That is, without the idea in my head that we can/will be smashing.

I guess it really comes down to self control. Can I subdue my sexual urges and desires when spending time with an attractive woman? Should I?

Odds are I'm probably younger than you. You shouldn't have to subdue any urges unless you have too(and I'm completely understand the hormones raging bit). If anything it's a guilty pleasure more than it is something completely utilitarian and with use unlike my general sentiments towards attractive female friends earlier in the thread.

I just kind of enjoying chilling with an attractive woman. Some people will. Some people won't. As enjoying something is due to someone's life experiences and preferences.

[birthday cat]

(04-15-2016 02:55 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 10:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

For players, it's necessary.
For red pill guys, it's a hindrance.

WIA

What does this mean?

Aren't most players red pill?

It's easy to have attractive women as friends when you are in abundance.

It's easy to spend a lot of time complaining about women when you are not in abundance. The groupthink that red pill has become tends to lean more towards this side of things.

[CJ_W]

(04-14-2016 12:13 AM)Virtus Wrote:  

The only friend girl I have has 145 iq, runs a dept at a major University and has taken a mile of cock even though she be six. Still hoping to get a good man. But she cool, and exceedingly nice. Probably will make some man happy, if she lowers her standards

im in a similar boat I have ONE female friend and thats because of networking etc, if it were not for that I would not have gotten to know her, shes in her mid 30s somewhat overweight, with a shitty attitude and just now realizing that shes hitting the wall and why she cant get a decent man. Of course I cant just straight up tell her `because youre fat and have a shitty attitude 99% of the time, you cant cook for yourself or others and are content to live in filth in your own home` so I just dont really talk much when that subject comes up and try to limit my time with her as much as possible.

In retrospect I really shouldnt have met her at all, I should have waited for about a year before trying to do the projects I did and they may have turned out a lot better than they did. But I was in my mid 20s then, trying to start my own business and failing at it. I just didnt know then.

Now I know though, I dont hag out with girls unless Im trying to bang. I got other shit to do. . .I DO have a female orbiter though, her bf isnt giving her the tingles OR commitment so shes been trying to latch on to me, shes a hb 8 in her late 20s so shes feeling the wall approach unfortunately shes got tats and piercings that scream `SLUT` so she probably just wants the D or smth. but since her BF is a close friend of mine, I just steer clear of her. I wish I could introduce him to this site but hed reject it 100% and that would be the end of our friendship.

[johnbozzz]

I have around three women friends. They are great, they make me laugh and write funny Facebooks posts. It's kind of cool to glean into the woman's brain on Instagram. Plus, one recently had a kid, and she's now pretty nurturing and has made me food.