[churros]

Social Club at Harvard Rejects Calls to Admit Women, Citing Risk of Sexual Misconduct

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — Members of the oldest all-male club at Harvard have almost never spoken publicly about the organization since its founding in 1791. This week, that silence was broken when an official with the group, the Porcellian Club, said that admitting women could increase the chances of sexual misconduct.

“Forcing single-gender organizations to accept members of the opposite sex could potentially increase, not decrease, the potential for sexual misconduct,” Charles M. Storey, the president of the club’s alumni group, wrote on Tuesday in a letter to The Harvard Crimson, the student newspaper.

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Harvard has a long tradition of all-male social clubs. In 1984, the university required these clubs to admit women. At that point, the clubs broke official ties with Harvard, and they remain unrecognized by the university.

The clubs, which still play a major role in campus social life, have increasingly faced pressure from the university administration and others to reverse their no-women policy. Last year, the Fox Club and the Spee Club opened their doors to women. But six clubs, including the Porcellian, still admit only men.

The entire article, alongside the responses it quotes, are completely oblivious to the humour.

[la bodhisattva]

The president should make a clarifying statement saying, "No, we cannot admit females because we fear for the safety of our male members." He could accompany Roosh on speaking tours.

[Space Cowboy]

Freedom from false rape/sexual assault allegations should be considered not only a legitimate but a plain good reason not to admit women to these clubs. Can't men have unadulterated fun without losers and feminists bashing them over the head with a proverbial frying pan?

[eatthishomie]

The fact that a Men's Club exists somewhere makes me smile.

[Cortés]

^^^well male clubs used to be the norm, now when we see that theres still one out there we get excited. It may be the pessimist in me but this article just makes me sad thinking about it this way

[General Stalin]

Am I missing something? Aren't fraternities male-only socio-academic clubs that every major university in the country has? Fucking Boston.

[polar]

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Cecilia Sanders, a senior who is studying Earth and planetary sciences, called the comments “a really troubling sentiment, and I think it’s a really dangerous idea that men- and women-identified people can’t be in the same space and behave with equal respect and regard for one another.”

No word on transgendered otherkin.

Seriously though, for the last several years, Harvard's administration has been quite busy dismantling male privilege and promoting equality at the school. Like all Iib arts programs, it has a sizeable SJW student population campaigning for fossil fuel divestment, rape, and the such.

Take it from Harvard's student newspaper, The Crimson: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/4...s-college/

And now see this in-depth article about the school's leftist administration (a great long-form read):
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/edu...quity.html
One of the biggest arguments of the article - surprise! - is that women wish to not only further their education, but meet someone who is their "equal" and settle down with children after a while, while men's careers keep going.


Students' feedback on the regular, mandated, discussions on equality:

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That was only one out of 10 sessions. At most of the others, the men contributed little. Some of them, and even a few women, had grown to openly resent the deans’ emphasis on gender, using phrases like “ad nauseam” and “shoved down our throats,” protesting that this was not what they had paid to learn.

“I’d like to be candid, but I paid half a million dollars to come here,” another man said in an interview, counting his lost wages. “I could blow up my network with one wrong comment.” The men were not insensitive, they said; they just considered the discussion a poor investment of their carefully hoarded social capital. Mr. Erker used the same words as many other students had to describe the mandatory meetings: “forced” and “patronizing.”

That week, Andrew Levine, the director of the annual spoof show, was notified by administrators that he was on academic and social probation because other students had consumed alcohol in the auditorium after a performance. (His crime: dining with visiting family instead of staying as he had promised in a contract.) He was barred from social events and put on academic probation as well.

Amid all the turmoil, though, the deans saw cause for hope. The cruel classroom jokes, along with other forms of intimidation, were far rarer. Students were telling them about vigorous private conversations that had flowed from the halting public ones. Women’s grades were rising — and despite the open resentment toward the deans, overall student satisfaction ratings were higher than they had been for years.

Ms. Frei been promoted to dean of faculty recruiting, and she was on a quest to bolster the number of female professors, who made up a fifth of the tenured faculty. Female teachers, especially untenured ones, had faced various troubles over the years: uncertainty over maternity leave, a lack of opportunities to write papers with senior professors, and students who destroyed their confidence by pelting them with math questions they could not answer on the spot or commenting on what they wore.

Now Ms. Frei, the guardian of the female junior faculty, was watching virtually every minute of every class some of them taught, delivering tips on how to do better in the next class. She barred other professors from giving them advice, lest they get confused. But even some of Ms. Frei’s allies were dubious.

At the end of every semester, students gave professors teaching scores from a low of 1 to a high of 7, and some of the female junior faculty scores looked beyond redemption. More of the male professors arrived at Harvard after long careers, regaling students with real-life experiences. Because the pool of businesswomen was smaller, female professors were more likely to be academics, and students saw female stars as exceptions.

“The female profs I had were clearly weaker than the male ones,” said Halle Tecco, a 2011 graduate. “They weren’t able to really run the classroom the way the male ones could.”

By the end of the semester, the teaching scores of the women had improved so much that she thought they were a mistake. One professor had shot to a 6 from a 4. Yet all the attention, along with other efforts to support female faculty, made no immediate impact on the numbers of female teachers. So few women were coming to teach at the school that evening out the numbers seemed almost impossible.

Ms. Navab, who had started dating one of the men — with an M.D. and an M.B.A. — from the Ethiopian dinner, had felt freer to focus on her career once she was paired off. She was happy with her job at a California start-up, but she pointed out that she and some other women never heard about many of the most lucrative jobs because the men traded contacts and tips among themselves.

At an extracurricular presentation the year before, a female student asked William Boyce, a co-founder of Highland Capital Partners, a venture capital firm, for advice for women who wanted to go into his field. “Don’t,” he laughed, according to several students present. Male partners did not want them there, he continued, and he was doing them a favor by warning them.

Some of the current administration. The one leading the charge for equality is...well, take a guess:

(yes, third one. Confirmed by the article to a lesbian)

Arguably, some of the changes might have a positive impact on the school and the world as a result. The problem is that these changes come in an environment where suspicion of men is de rigueur.

In a sane world, meritocracies and recognizing differences between people should win out. If a "minority" is good enough to compete in an engineering program of her own talent, let her do so. She will get good grades, not drop out or change majors, get a job in the field, and be respected for her ability to pull her weight. (Which seems to be the case outside the west.)

If she gets into school by virtue of lower requirements via affirmative action, she will flounder in her classes, perhaps change majors, not work in that field (or require further affirmative action just to get in the door), be passed over for promotions, and be resented for dragging down the rest of the team. Multiply by millions of cases, then throw in the legal fees for allegations of discrimination at every step of the way.

Here's the scary part: the fact that Harvard hasn't yet fallen down the ranking ladders might just be testament that other schools are keeping pace.

[Soma]

(04-14-2016 04:05 PM)polar Wrote:  

Some of the current administration. The one leading the charge for equality is...well, take a guess:

(yes, third one. Confirmed by the article to a lesbian)

"Hair above the chin, subversion from within."

[muscless]

What a load of bullshit!!! If you don't want a type of race or sex for a club you should be allowed to choose. Life isn't fair where this bullshit that men and women can be friends without any sexual attraction is the biggest crap we have to live with.

Throw a woman into a pack of horny teenage boys and watch all sense of logic go out the windows.

[muscless]

Delete

[armenia4ever]

It's amazing how the truth was told, brutally so, and yet alarming. If you do point out the obvious - that bringing women into the club could and will result in higher sexual harassment complaints, you still reap the blame for trying to cover your ass. In fact, I wonder that if after some digging, we will find all sorts of harassment allegations from women or any other "marginalized" group who has joined a "privileged" group and if the groups and spaces have been destroyed and dismantled in the process.

I think it's safe to assume that women who want to join an all men's group are doing it for all the wrong reasons - feminist type crusading idealogues - and of course they will find something to allege harassment. The first one to allege some kind of victimization after getting in will get more access to "opportunities" to make up for the terrible harassment they suffer. Ingenious really.

If you think about it, we are seeing a deliberate attempt to make sure that not only do feminist and SJWs get access to male spaces, they ensure that a new set of code, rules, and decrees ensure their desired environment.

Their safe space is rapidly expanding, destroying, and consuming any other "space" around it. The end game is that all spaces are theirs and controlled by them. There is no refuge. All spaces must eventually be owned by them.

[kaotic]

(04-14-2016 04:38 PM)muscless Wrote:  

Friend Video Snip

Fucking duh (not meant at you muscless), that video interview proves such a simple point.

Did you see how their girls ego grew when asked "Do you think he likes you ?"

They smirked because they already knew these guys like them and they love the attention and the orbiters.

Watch this follow up video about couples in relationships and if it's a good idea for your partner to have friends with the opposite sex

Watch the girls reactions versus the guys, watch the couple in the beanies, especially at around 2:10 and how he says his answer sternly and his girl reacts.

All this proves are basic tenants of gender relationship

-In most cases men and women can't just be friends
-Women love having attention from what they see as platonic men
-Women are completely hypocritical (do as I say, not as I do)
-When called on their BS, they laugh, walk away, struggle to defend their illogic views
-Men ALWAYS know the score about being in the friendzone, meaning they'll hid their feelings, they acknowledge the feelings are their but bottle it

But lost men will always be in denial of these tenants, the women will keep taking advantage of them.

I don't have a single female friend that I'm not fucking, dating, or isn't a plate.

The only ones I surround myself with are my buddies wives, LTR's, fiances, and plates.

Girls are always surprised when I say this - then I simply state: "If you had a guy you knew at one point liked you or is close to you, and you gave them a pass on you, they'd take it in a heart beat."

The standard answer I hear, after a long pause, "Yeah I guess your right"

The girls are pivots for me, introducing me to a larger circle, helping me fuck their friends, which is cool on their part.

I can be friendly with women sure, but I'm not sitting on a phone and constantly texting them like they're my BFF's.

Women outside of bedroom eyes are just acquaintances. If I'm not gaming you or trying to fuck you, I probably am not talking to you.

[General Stalin]

^ exactly.

I wrote about this years ago.

Second time I've linked that article today. This topic is making some rounds again.

Unless you've already banged them, then you either want to bang them, or they are hideous, or they are out of bounds (family, friends' GF/wife, etc.)

[Tactician]

(04-14-2016 05:02 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

(snip)

If you think about it, we are seeing a deliberate attempt to make sure that not only do feminist and SJWs get access to male spaces, they ensure that a new set of code, rules, and decrees ensure their desired environment.

Their safe space is rapidly expanding, destroying, and consuming any other "space" around it. The end game is that all spaces are theirs and controlled by them. There is no refuge. All spaces must eventually be owned by them.

Holy crap that sounds just like Islam.

[polar]

(04-14-2016 09:10 PM)Tactician Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 05:02 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

(snip)

If you think about it, we are seeing a deliberate attempt to make sure that not only do feminist and SJWs get access to male spaces, they ensure that a new set of code, rules, and decrees ensure their desired environment.

Their safe space is rapidly expanding, destroying, and consuming any other "space" around it. The end game is that all spaces are theirs and controlled by them. There is no refuge. All spaces must eventually be owned by them.

Holy crap that sounds just like Islam.

I raise you a