[The Beast1]

The one dis-service the manosphere brought on us is this over reliance on pegging people "alpha, beta, sigma, etc".

Humans are far more complex and different than simple pack animals. There is something to be gathered on how "leaders of a group" attain and maintain themselves in a hierarchy no doubt, however it's so much more complicated than that. Overly focusing on this relatively minor tree in the forest detracts from the bigger picture.

You end up getting guys constantly doing mental masturbation about various letters of the Greek alphabet.

Stop doing this and focus on your lifestyle to make yourself attractive to members of the opposite sex. Learn game and be assertive so you don't let people plow over you.

And finally understand how women flock to the leader of a particular situation. In crossfit, the "alpha" is the instructor, in government the Alpha is the president, in finance circles it's the CEO/managing director, in music it's the principal chair, etc.

Sure there's crossover appeal, but in certain instances it is minimized or even negligible. The only people who complain about betas getting hot women are in fact not getting laid themselves. Envy is a poison, focus on yourself and not others.

In closing, stop masturbating to game theory and actually GAME these 8s,9s, and 10s.

[Rush87]

In virtually every scenario [And those you have listed aren't attractive women] - where a true eight or nine is with a less attractive male, she isn't settling. 99.9% of the time she is punching above her weight. Why?

In most cases, her beauty is her only attribute. In contrast the 'beta' who is fucking this girl has generally spent years developing themselves as a human, developing skills, money, power and reached a point where this 8 or 9 is generally replaceable.

In the cases above, those girls aren't attractive. In fact they aren't much better than the men. These women shouldn't be on a pedestal.

[Parzival]

In an article about relationship and partner preferences they said in industrial developed countries the preferences change. Because there is no need for a strong provider any longer, women tend to take more soft and beta men. Furthermore it matter if she takes the pill or not, because the pill give women a permanent hormone rush of be pregnant, they look for a more beta provider. They did some test, when women stop to use the pill, those that had a man with higher testosterone where still happy, the ones that take a more beta type got more negative feelings for the beta guy. Also in the time short before the ovulation women feel more attractions to a high testosterone man.

[Scoundrel]

Women get into "relationships" with men for all sorts of reasons, only some of them sexual.

A woman can be extremely physically attractive, yet retarded sexually. Some of the most beautiful women I've known have been the most confused about what they want in a man.

Meredith Baxter-Birney was gorgeous in the 1970's. Three ex-husbands later, she today identifies as a lesbian, and says she always has been, although she only recently arrived at this realization.

When it comes to relationships, it's not uncommon for women to choose the most beta guy they can find. This can be for a variety of reasons:

1. Family & retarded friends are sure to approve because he is so "nice."

2. Beta nice guys are easy to manipulate and control.

3. Beta nice guys can be easily exploited for resources. (Money, gifts, complements, etc.)

Just because a woman is young, don't think she doesn't have an eye toward marriage. For a lot of women, the boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is training for marriage. And as we all know, marriage rarely has anything to do with love, let alone raw primal sex attraction.

[markygras]

(04-05-2016 04:06 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

After just posting in the Vinyl thread, this pairing came to mind.

I've heard many women in real life say that they think Jason Sudekis is incredibly handsome.

[Conscious Pirate]

Handsome is how girls describe pretty men.

[Cataldes]

Like almost all these girls are taking some dick action on the side so yeah cucking is mainstream now

[GlobalMan]

(04-05-2016 05:27 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

In closing, stop masturbating to game theory and actually GAME these 8s,9s, and 10s.

Bingo

[Saweeep]

(04-05-2016 06:42 AM)Cataldes Wrote:  

Like almost all these girls are taking some dick action on the side so yeah cucking is mainstream now

And you know this how?

It's very easy to get lost down the rabbit hole.

[XPQ22]

(04-05-2016 06:09 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

In an article about relationship and partner preferences they said in industrial developed countries the preferences change. Because there is no need for a strong provider any longer, women tend to take more soft and beta men.

I think this hits close to the truth.

I do a decent amount of online dating, and I see similar patterns in the profiles of many urban SWPL white girls from the city in their late 20s and early 30s who are looking to settle down into a LTR.

One phrase that I see all the time from these college educated girls is that they're looking for a LTR with a man with "empathy" and "compassion." Now, this doesn't mean compassion for strangers, or compassion for starving children in Africa.

How do I take this? It's sort of a code.

What this is narcissist code for is "I want a man with compassion for me. And what I mean by 'compassion' is...you agree to put up with my insane histrionic meltdowns and emotionally abusive behavior and never put any pressure on me to change or behave better, because that's hard...I've always gotten pretty much what I wanted because of my classic "standard issue 6" looks, but I know deep down that I'm really nothing special, and the idea that the world doesn't jump to my tune would shatter my ego. I dated some alphas back in the day and tried getting them to take my shit, and they laughed and kicked me out the door and forgot about my neurotic ass five minutes later. Don't do that! I want to be loved or hated. I can't stand indifference."

"I love 'sensitive' men. They're so easy to manipulate."

[Aquiles_Baesta_Parada]

(04-05-2016 05:27 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

The one dis-service the manosphere brought on us is this over reliance on pegging people "alpha, beta, sigma, etc".

How did that started anyways?

I've always thought it came from "Brave New World" just like "The Matrix" red/blue pill

[XPQ22]

(04-05-2016 08:39 AM)Aquiles_Baesta_Parada Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 05:27 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

The one dis-service the manosphere brought on us is this over reliance on pegging people "alpha, beta, sigma, etc".

How did that started anyways?

I've always thought it came from "Brave New World" just like "The Matrix" red/blue pill

I think they're just kind of "historical terms", they really have very little to do with evolutionary psychology or group social dynamics at this point.

The way I interpret them is that an "Alpha" is a man who attempts to frame interactions with women, at least to as great an extent as possible, on his own terms. A "Beta" believes that the best way to successfully interact with women is to identify more with their characteristics, and try to adapt his nature to what they say they want.

[Cataldes]

(04-05-2016 07:22 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 06:42 AM)Cataldes Wrote:  

Like almost all these girls are taking some dick action on the side so yeah cucking is mainstream now

And you know this how?

It's very easy to get lost down the rabbit hole.

From personal experience, around half of my bangs come from girls with boyfriends and husbands, if they're unhappy it's what happens.

[The Beast1]

(04-05-2016 08:51 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:39 AM)Aquiles_Baesta_Parada Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 05:27 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

The one dis-service the manosphere brought on us is this over reliance on pegging people "alpha, beta, sigma, etc".

How did that started anyways?

I've always thought it came from "Brave New World" just like "The Matrix" red/blue pill

I think they're just kind of "historical terms", they really have very little to do with evolutionary psychology or group social dynamics at this point.

The way I interpret them is that an "Alpha" is a man who attempts to frame interactions with women, at least to as great an extent as possible, on his own terms. A "Beta" believes that the best way to successfully interact with women is to identify more with their characteristics, and try to adapt his nature to what they say they want.

That's a good question. I remember back in 2011 stumbling upon "paid" game advice and saw the terms there about "alpha" males and the like. I have no idea where it came from and I think it's a hold over from the old PUA days.

Frankly I hate the terms and any time I hear or see a guy talking in person about it I cringe.

You want a good example of what a beta male looks like? It's someone who talks about betas, alphas, and sigmas and attempts to place people into those boxes.

[kamoz]

(04-05-2016 07:43 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

What this is narcissist code for is "I want a man with compassion for me. And what I mean by 'compassion' is...you agree to put up with my insane histrionic meltdowns and emotionally abusive behavior and never put any pressure on me to change or behave better, because that's hard...I've always gotten pretty much what I wanted because of my classic "standard issue 6" looks, but I know deep down that I'm really nothing special, and the idea that the world doesn't jump to my tune would shatter my ego. I dated some alphas back in the day and tried getting them to take my shit, and they laughed and kicked me out the door and forgot about my neurotic ass five minutes later. Don't do that! I want to be loved or hated. I can't stand indifference."

"I love 'sensitive' men. They're so easy to manipulate."

Christ this is so true. This is also what contributes to the false rape epidemic. Women want to be desired so badly that they would rather have people think someone raped them or settle for someone with an SMV significantly lower than theirs instead of working to make themselves better in order to obtain a high SMV alpha. But I suppose it's analogous to men as well. Many men choose to wallow in self pity rather than improving themselves.

[YoungAngel1]

(04-04-2016 06:22 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  

They aren't getting good sex from these girls I can guarantee that.

They are getting twice-yearly tepid begrudging starfish squelch sessions, if even that, and the girls are probably cheating on them with alphas who are able to fuck the shit out of them against the wall, do multiple positions, have a tempo above "Stayin' Alive" BPM, cum on any part of their body, all things their beloved boyfriends can't do because they're "not like that" around them.

These betas are essentially being used as lifestyle accessories.

This is pretty much spot on. I've been the beta in a relationship with a pretty good looking girl, and the sex I got was luster as fuck. Thing is, she was really good in bed, but didn't give me none of that. Literally laying there just hoping to get it over with.

[HOD]

(04-04-2016 03:39 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Jonas's bitch is a high 6 at best with taste included, and that is with her hair and makeup done to the 9s TV ready. Weird face looks like too much T in her gene pool, semi-horseface.

The 10 thread and Trump supporter chicks are the material.

I concur. She is a high 6, who benefited from feminism union membership, boosting her to an inflated 7 and perceived by most thirsty men to be an illegitimate 8.

Sad state of the Anglo-sphere where 6's can use feminism to obtain high status men like the Jonas Brothers, even though he is on the metro-sexual effeminate side.

Seeing them together seems to frustrate me, perhaps I feel certain men are getting hustle.

[sylo]

"But see, I hooked up with this guy from a really famous hevey metal band. I mean a huge international star...except he is only a rock star on stage! I mean, when we went to whole foods the other day, he was just sort of standing in line, waiting to pay for his groceries, like some passive beta! Hello, aren't you supposed to be a rock-star?! So yeah, I left that beta."

[Centurion]

(04-05-2016 07:22 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 06:42 AM)Cataldes Wrote:  

Like almost all these girls are taking some dick action on the side so yeah cucking is mainstream now

And you know this how?

It's very easy to get lost down the rabbit hole.

This exactly. I was going to say something about it but I wasn't sure if I was just a minority opinion and might be thought of as trolling.

If as a player you have a 90%+ rejection rate how can you truly know what "all" or even most girls are like on the down low? NAWALT could even be true for all we know.

[Cataldes]

(04-05-2016 02:38 PM)Centurion Wrote:  

NAWALT could even be true for all we know.

[Centurion]

^It was a bit of hyperbole. The point is as many girls you do know, there's even more that you don't. Without somehow doing controlled trials, there's no way to be certain about traits about how women act in private, as a whole. You can only make guesses that are at varying levels of certainty.

[Cataldes]

I know I'm just kidding around

[EDantes]

(04-05-2016 05:28 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

In virtually every scenario [And those you have listed aren't attractive women] - where a true eight or nine is with a less attractive male, she isn't settling. 99.9% of the time she is punching above her weight. Why?

In most cases, her beauty is her only attribute. In contrast the 'beta' who is fucking this girl has generally spent years developing themselves as a human, developing skills, money, power and reached a point where this 8 or 9 is generally replaceable.

In the cases above, those girls aren't attractive. In fact they aren't much better than the men. These women shouldn't be on a pedestal.

That was my take more or less.

"Attractive" girls who have looks but no other redeeming qualities, life skills, ambitions, etc either have to settle for:

Being trophy wife to a beta provider or sugar daddy or:

Being a booty call to alphas

Hence if it's a choice between having to actually go to college, or get real skills and be a 'strong independent woman', many will settle with marrying a beta provider due to a lack of other options (though will likely cheat with an alpha if they get the chance)

"Attractive" girls are a dime a dozen - in fact the standards have dropped due to the rise in obesity, to the point that any girl who is "skinny" automatically looks "hot" just because she isn't overweight

[R_Niko]

(04-05-2016 03:10 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

"Attractive" girls who have looks but no other redeeming qualities, life skills, ambitions, etc either have to settle for:

Being trophy wife to a beta provider or sugar daddy or:

Being a booty call to alphas

Conventional wisdom says you're 100% right. Things seem to be changing in today's job market and society at large due to the feminist influence on education, laws, and culture. There is no shame whatsoever in a bimbo holding a job far beyond her ability that she got mainly because of sexual nepotism--and by this I don't necessarily mean she's sleeping with her boss (although this definitely happens). It's more like, you aren't allowed to criticize a woman at work ever, and so the bimbos can ply their trade with impunity.

Imagine how easily you could climb the ladder if no one was allowed to criticize you.

[BlackFriar]

What percentage of women cheat or would cheat on the bf/husband? I am thinking like 65-70%?