[BossOfBosses]

I've been going to bars (I live in coastal CA) lately and I often throw out bait to girls I have some fame through my youtube channel (I was also mentioned in huffpost, elitedaily and dozens of other sites), and it makes girls only mildly more interested. It's not like girls see even semi-famous guys all the time here, so something is not connecting.

I'm starting to think the value of fame is more about a unique "presence" and recognition of other people than anything else now.

The guy from Superman walks through Times Square is basically ignored. (An A-list actor! lol). But if you notice, he has no "presence", he just presents himself as a normal guy. You get no sense he's important or a "celebrity", if that makes sense. People act accordingly.

https://sg.celebrity.yahoo.com/post/1411...mes-square

If a less relevant, C-list actor but a guy with great presence and talent like Al Pacino did the same, would he get the same result? Doubtful. Michael Jackson fell of hugely for 10-15 years but still attracted huge crowds. It's his presence.

What do you guys think? Given the proliferation of fake celebrities/social media now, has the value of fame gone down and other less noticeable factors gone up?

[Rawmeo]

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

[Rawmeo]

This, I really don't know, but I'm pretty sure that talking to a girl would have done the trick.

[Sidney Crosby]

[Chowder Head]

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

Because Time Square is full of tourist. They are looking at all the lights, sounds, and skyscrapers. People aren't really people watching in Times Square. I've seen John Kennedy Jr and Gary Carter (Mets Hall of Fame) on the subway (not at the same time) and nobody even noticed. People in NYC tend to stare straight or look down, no eye contact.

[fortysix]

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

The thing is that although this guy may have facial aesthetics, he looks very "plain" if you understand - He looks like a plain uninteresting good-looking greek statute. Similarly, in all of his roles, this is also the role that he plays - a concrete strong man unphased and unaffected by the world. It would be very easy to pass by him on the street without recognizing him because he just looks like a regular good-looking guy. A face that is difficult to remember.

Now compare him to DeNiro or Al Pacino - these guys are ACTORS, and can hardly be called plain. I could spot De Niro a mile away - the facial expressions, the walk, the voice... all so original and responsive to the world and their roles.

Just right now, I can picture DeNiro's face in my head (young Deniro in Godfather), although I haven't seen a movie with him for quite a while. The Cavill guy on the otherhand... I recently saw a movie with the guy, passed by billboards with his face many times this week, but I still can't remember wtf he looks like.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-21-2016 02:06 PM)Chowder Head Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

Because Time Square is full of tourist. They are looking at all the lights, sounds, and skyscrapers. People aren't really people watching in Times Square. I've seen John Kennedy Jr and Gary Carter (Mets Hall of Fame) on the subway (not at the same time) and nobody even noticed. People in NYC tend to stare straight or look down, no eye contact.

My point is if genuine talents Michael Jackson or Al Pacino walked down times square they would get huge amounts of attention. Most celebrities today are fake and manufactured, not really talented. People are not dumb and they recognize talent and creative genius. It comes through in your presence. No matter where these people go (well MJ is dead) they would get attention and crowds and willing girls if that's what they wanted.

[BossOfBosses]

For comparison, here's the reaction Al Pacino got in the same Times Square:

[Chemistry]

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Henry Cavill ... how can you not know who he is?

Is this a serious question? Anyone who hasn't seen whatever movies you're thinking of, wouldn't know him. I don't know what he looks like. The only person I've ever seen play Superman is Dean Cain.

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

I often throw out bait to girls I have some fame through my youtube channel ... and it makes girls only mildly more interested.

* I had a girl on Tinder recognize me from my YouTube channel. We met up, just had a short chat. SHE had recognized ME.
* I've had girls search me up after we go on a date or two, and they often mention my YouTube channel, if THEY find it themselves.

I've NEVER had such good responses when I'm the one to tell them about my own channel. Thus, I've stopped talking about it / using it as bait.

If you haven't been having great results throwing it out as bait, I recommend you stop too.

To answer your question, it's not that "fame" is diluted ... but there are niches and micro-niches and you can't convince girls to care about something they never cared about beforehand.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-21-2016 02:21 PM)Chemistry Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Henry Cavill ... how can you not know who he is?

Is this a serious question? Anyone who hasn't seen whatever movies you're thinking of, wouldn't know him. I don't know what he looks like. The only person I've ever seen play Superman is Dean Cain.

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

I often throw out bait to girls I have some fame through my youtube channel ... and it makes girls only mildly more interested.

* I had a girl on Tinder recognize me from my YouTube channel. We met up, just had a short chat. SHE had recognized ME.
* I've had girls search me up after we go on a date or two, and they often mention my YouTube channel, if THEY find it themselves.

I've NEVER had such good responses when I'm the one to tell them about my own channel. Thus, I've stopped talking about it / using it as bait.

If you haven't been having great results throwing it out as bait, I recommend you stop too.

To answer your question, it's not that "fame" is diluted ... but there are niches and micro-niches and you can't convince girls to care about something they never cared about beforehand.

I think you're missing the point.

Game tells us girls care about the value of fame itself, even if they don't know who you are or in their "niche" or whatever. Just being famous is supposed to be a huge DHV.

It's what causes random girls to crowd around famous dudes just to see who it is.

My point is, there seems to be such a proliferation of wack/no talent celebrities now, girls are now separating "no talent" fame from "genuine/talented" fame.

[Blobert]

It never has been simply about being famous, it's always depended on context. You have to be famous in a way that's cool to the particular girl in question.

Rock stars and actors that people recognize (I don't know the Superman guy either, but everyone knows Al Pacino), are somewhat universally cool. But if you're, say, a youtuber, a professor, a preacher, a serial killer, a businessman that's somewhat widely known? It's not gonna be a turn-on to most people, just to those who fancy that specific niche.

[Distant Light]

(03-21-2016 01:20 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

I've been going to bars (I live in coastal CA) lately and I often throw out bait to girls I have some fame through my youtube channel (I was also mentioned in huffpost, elitedaily and dozens of other sites), and it makes girls only mildly more interested. It's not like girls see even semi-famous guys all the time here, so something is not connecting.

I'm starting to think the value of fame is more about a unique "presence" and recognition of other people than anything else now.

The guy from Superman walks through Times Square is basically ignored. (An A-list actor! lol). But if you notice, he has no "presence", he just presents himself as a normal guy. You get no sense he's important or a "celebrity", if that makes sense. People act accordingly.

https://sg.celebrity.yahoo.com/post/1411...mes-square

If a less relevant, C-list actor but a guy with great presence and talent like Al Pacino did the same, would he get the same result? Doubtful. Michael Jackson fell of hugely for 10-15 years but still attracted huge crowds. It's his presence.

What do you guys think? Given the proliferation of fake celebrities/social media now, has the value of fame gone down and other less noticeable factors gone up?

Although this overall sounds super lame...

Like other guy said in time square people aren't really focused and the guy looks generic. I only mention the GENERIC part because many people have asked if I was famous just off of look/presence. (Which I find completely hilarious because I'd never want to be known/famous and make sure to let them know I'm not...One chick in time square actually insisted we take a pic)

That said, in NY most people don't even care ESPECIALLY if you're in the high end scene. At most, if they're performing people will take pictures and spectate BUT most of the time whether it's Jay-Z or Tiesto no one really cares...

I say that as a guy who've been around these guys alot. (Tiesto used to bang a chick who used to roll with me)

Heck, watch video below I'm at :34 it actually didn't occur to me that Jayz was practically right next to me and at one point I was "drunk" at rick ross table.

Fame also comes with "what you're known for". Most chicks in my circle created this larger than life assumption that I go through women fast BUT fun as fuck, even my ex-gf projected that assumption. To this day, chicks probably think I'm off banging some new chick.

P.S...If you're truly trying to leverage some form of "fame" think about what you're environment is like. Are you like dude in video below hosts with 90% girls rarely vlogs rolling with dudes and you never really know if he's ever secretly messed with any of the chicks. Based on some things he states he gets hit up by girls on either snapchat or instagram.

P.S.S...I strongly advised NOT to use fame, be discreet/unknown makes it much easier to truly "whore it up". The guys I've met in the high end scene are for the most part unknowns KILLING IT way more than anyone remotely famous.

[Travesty]

Me gusta ^

[BossOfBosses]

(03-21-2016 05:15 PM)Blobert Wrote:  

It never has been simply about being famous, it's always depended on context. You have to be famous in a way that's cool to the particular girl in question.

Rock stars and actors that people recognize (I don't know the Superman guy either, but everyone knows Al Pacino), are somewhat universally cool. But if you're, say, a youtuber, a professor, a preacher, a serial killer, a businessman that's somewhat widely known? It's not gonna be a turn-on to most people, just to those who fancy that specific niche.

Cavill is an A-LIST actor. I think that qualifies. His face is *everywhere*. His billboards are everywhere. He's on Facebook, he's on TV, he's everywhere. You can't say people have'nt seen him. He was in the last Superman movie too. But people mostly ignore him. Girls should be mobbing him everywhere he goes, but they're not. How do you explain this?

The guy has no presence. No distinguishing characteristics. He's basically a walking prop. It kinda reinforces what I was saying in the OP.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-21-2016 09:04 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

P.S.S...I strongly advised NOT to use fame, be discreet/unknown makes it much easier to truly "whore it up". The guys I've met in the high end scene are for the most part unknowns KILLING IT way more than anyone remotely famous.

I have to respectfully disagree. Fame is it man. I don't know of anyone with higher kill counts than rockstars/athletes/actors. Jude Law has 5 different (hot chick) baby mommas from all his years of womanizing and philandering (and those are just the ones we know). For countless athletes it's the same story. Pussy does them in. That's why they all go broke.

You have to remember the nightclub is not their "home turf" so to speak, you won't see their antics when their not fully in their element. Where their power is maximized. Backstage at a concert where everyone is screaming their name? Yup. Championship parties? Yup. Awards after parties? Yup.

The issue is "real" fame, vs bullshit, no talent fame (ala Kardashian). Athletes have talent because sports is as close to we have a true meritocracy. This is mainly an issue with actors/musicians/comedians.

[PapayaTapper]

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

There's a world of difference between real "fame" and insignificant Youtube notoriety.

Who the hell is Henry Cavill?

If Leonardo Dicaprio walked through Times Square wearing a t shirt and board shorts there'd be girls trying to suck his dick before got halfway across.

That's fame

[General Stalin]

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

[XXL]

It's really simple.. a girl only knows what she sees. If she recognizes you or sees others recognizing you in front of her she will like you way more. If you have to drop baits etc because nobody recognizes you then you're try-hard aka not cool .

It's exactly the same as with working out. When your visibly in shape you're more attractive than when you compensate and have to tell a girl how much you lift.

[Putin Closes]

I sense a small bit of jelly here. I'm sure all you guys who have any sort of fame would be the first to leverage it to score some bombshell.

Fame game DOES work only if the recognizes you and lets you know first. Baiting can work if its a cool story, but saying I got a youtube channel is not the same effect. Did you make the actual front page of those for-mentioned sites. Have you ever been on the "big boys" (CNN, Fox News, Buzzfeed (yes I know)). Do you meet Wikipedia's notoriety test.

Do you get freebies in your niche? And we are talking about significant freebies.

Being in the top 0.1% doesn't mean much. The population of the us is over 300 Million, that means you have 299,999 other people to compete with.

There's probably less than 500 true A listers in the world, household names that people would remember.

And New York is a real crappy place to test out fame, since everyone is "jaded". Put him in suburbia USA next to a poster and see if people recognize him.

[Chauncey]

(03-22-2016 01:03 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

/thread

[GlobalMan]

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

I don't even know how this can be "fame" game honestly.

"Didn't you know? I'm famous...."

[GlobalMan]

(03-22-2016 02:25 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

I sense a small bit of jelly here.

Get your senses checked.

It's simply being pointed out that if you have to tell them of your fame, well...

Funny part is, you just went on to say the same thing..

Quote:

Fame game DOES work only if the recognizes you and lets you know first.

[Rush87]

(03-21-2016 01:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fame game works when the girl knows it before you mention it. If you need to tell the girl "hey I'm famous", it means that you aren't famous enough.

It would have worked well if the girl would have seen you on youtube before you even mentioned it.

But how does that explain Henry Cavill walking through Times Square and being ignored? The guy's face is plastered all over billboards everywhere, how can you not know who he is?

I think that might be a small scenario. In Sydney, word got out that Henry Cavill was visiting a night club called Beach Haus, and dozens of stunning girls lined up to get laid. Also: Henry Cavill isn't a very big star…

[GlobalMan]

Plot twist-

OP is this Henry Cavill guy, never heard if him until this thread, could be my neighbor wouldn't recognize him. I think he was feeling down about not being noticed in Times Square and came here to learn how to leverage his so called fame.