[Rush87]

(03-22-2016 01:03 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

Missed this post. Sums it up pretty well.

[PapayaTapper]

What's being diluted is the DEFINITION of "fame" and by extension the term "A-list" in this thread.

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[egionesco]

If you need to announce your famous then you're not.

I'm friends with an old school SNL comedian who still does stand up. He doesn't really pull in LA because there are so many guys higher up the chain. But when he hits the road, it's unreal what gets thrown at him.

Somewhat like where I live now, where just mentioning that I've lived in LA and NY raises my status.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-22-2016 01:03 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

Bruh, first, calm down. No need to get heated or take this discussion overly serious. You sound mad.

Second, I'm not "comparing" myself to them. I'm just saying I should get at least some of the benefits of fame but I'm not really, and that fascinates me and I want to investigate more into it.

Actually this thread is really about how hollow and pointless social media/youtube fame is. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.

For the hundreth time I'm not talking about "real" fame, but how people separate low-talent "cheap" fame like youtube (or in Henry Cavill's case good looking guy fame) and that hard-won, talented fame of Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Denzel Washington etc.

I guess the title of this thread should have been "Is Youtube Fame Pointless?" to further clarify. I see a lot of people getting butthurt.

[HankMoody]

No. Just by recognizing that game is a thing you're better off than 90% of other males, at least in the US.

Men are becoming more feminine (and women are becoming more masculine)

[General Stalin]

(03-22-2016 12:09 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 01:03 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

Bruh, first, calm down. No need to get heated or take this discussion overly serious. You sound mad.

Second, I'm not "comparing" myself to them. I'm just saying I should get at least some of the benefits of fame but I'm not really, and that fascinates me and I want to investigate more into it.

Actually this thread is really about how hollow and pointless social media/youtube fame is. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.

For the hundreth time I'm not talking about "real" fame, but how people separate low-talent "cheap" fame like youtube (or in Henry Cavill's case good looking guy fame) and that hard-won, talented fame of Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Denzel Washington etc.

I guess the title of this thread should have been "Is Youtube Fame Pointless?" to further clarify. I see a lot of people getting butthurt.

Sounds like we have a case of "thread not going the direction OP was expecting."

No one in this discussion seems butthurt except you. People are clowning on you because your first post really just sounds like you bitching that mentioning you have some youtube subscribers doesn't get girls' moist. Well no shit. Using your weak examples to try and draw a conclusion that "fame game" is not as viable as it once was is simply inaccurate.

Is youtube fame pointless? Well, you have "youtube fame" by your own account so you tell me, bruh.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-22-2016 02:50 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:09 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 01:03 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

To answer OP: No.

Fame game is the same as it's been since humans have started idolizing other humans.

Your personal account of your own "fame game" not working means nothing for a few reasons:

1.) You need to tell people you are famous (lol).

2.) Most average people could give a shit about youtube personalities.

3.) You're not Jenna Marbles or some other youtube mega-star, which is really the only way you would get noticed for making internet videos.

Thats like saying girls don't dig muscles anymore because chicks don't care when you tell them you lift. No shit. They aren't going to notice/care about your 15" biceps. You need look like you lift to get the IOI.

Also, as most other people have mentioned, your cherry picked incident of an up-and-coming actor not being noticed in NYC doesn't matter. Henry Cavill has only been "somebody" for all of about 2 years and only people who have seen Man of Steel would know/care. You can't compare him to major league athletes and big-name seasoned actors at all, and you certainly can't compare yourself to them.

Bruh, first, calm down. No need to get heated or take this discussion overly serious. You sound mad.

Second, I'm not "comparing" myself to them. I'm just saying I should get at least some of the benefits of fame but I'm not really, and that fascinates me and I want to investigate more into it.

Actually this thread is really about how hollow and pointless social media/youtube fame is. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.

For the hundreth time I'm not talking about "real" fame, but how people separate low-talent "cheap" fame like youtube (or in Henry Cavill's case good looking guy fame) and that hard-won, talented fame of Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Denzel Washington etc.

I guess the title of this thread should have been "Is Youtube Fame Pointless?" to further clarify. I see a lot of people getting butthurt.

Sounds like we have a case of "thread not going the direction OP was expecting."

No one in this discussion seems butthurt except you. People are clowning on you because your first post really just sounds like you bitching that mentioning you have some youtube subscribers doesn't get girls' moist. Well no shit. Using your weak examples to try and draw a conclusion that "fame game" is not as viable as it once was is simply inaccurate.

Is youtube fame pointless? Well, you have "youtube fame" by your own account so you tell me, bruh.

First, re-read the original post.

People are "clowning" because they have no clue what this thread is about. They think it's about one thing, when it's about another. Maybe I did'nt make it clear enough. I don't know, but you and others are getting the wrong idea.

I mentioned a solid example of an A-list, multi-million dollar actor being ignored on the street. It was a perfect example of my original point. Somehow you got lost in the shuffle. You now don't know what the fuck you're talking about. At this point, you're borderline trolling. Stop trying to make dumb-ass arguments about nothing, that will get you nowhere.

I'm not only big on Youtube by views, but I've been mentioned in almost every major online news publication, including huffpo. I'm also on Wikipedia (and listed among comedians). That is enough to qualify for at least some fame. Girls respond with only mild interest. I'm not "butthurt" by this, I'm fascinated by it. That's the whole point of this thread. To figure out the reason why.

Let's get this thread back on track.

[Northwest]

I think it depends largely on location and what one might consider "famous". A few years ago (pre game/ red pill days) I had a friend who played on the professional hockey team in my city and we would go to bars/clubs together every now and then and he would have tons of girls approach him. He was a healthy scratch most nights and would play 5-6 minutes per game tops if he did play, but people always recognized him, especially girls. Definitely were able to skip lines, etc due to his "fame".

As I live in Canada and in a definite hockey town, I have quite a few people I know who are my age playing in the minor leagues of the NHL as well. They go to small towns in different parts of the USA where generally people don't care than much about hockey, then return in the off season and are practically local celebrities as well. Keep in mind we're in our early 20's and most of these guys have about a 1% chance of cracking the big leagues.

My point being I think its relevant to peoples interests, and if they have heard of you before. Prime example the "KirillWasHere" guy who is twitter famous came to my town recently and girls freaked out, a guy I know's girlfriend ended up on his snapchat getting champagne poured on her ass. Lol.

It boils down to would they have heard of your youtube channel before? I'm not familiar with your content to be honest. Take in contrast someone like Roosh who likely gets recognized on the street relatively often now, which perhaps has given him a level of fame game with girls.

[Rush87]

(03-22-2016 05:34 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

First, re-read the original post.

People are "clowning" because they have no clue what this thread is about. They think it's about one thing, when it's about another. Maybe I did'nt make it clear enough. I don't know, but you and others are getting the wrong idea.

I mentioned a solid example of an A-list, multi-million dollar actor being ignored on the street. It was a perfect example of my original point. Somehow you got lost in the shuffle. You now don't know what the fuck you're talking about. At this point, you're borderline trolling. Stop trying to make dumb-ass arguments about nothing, that will get you nowhere.

I'm not only big on Youtube by views, but I've been mentioned in almost every major online news publication, including huffpo. I'm also on Wikipedia (and listed among comedians). That is enough to qualify for at least some fame. Girls respond with only mild interest. I'm not "butthurt" by this, I'm fascinated by it. That's the whole point of this thread. To figure out the reason why.

Let's get this thread back on track.

The very short answer to your question is that 'no' fame game isn't diluted. It is at it's apex. A movie star of 2015 has significantly more exposure than a movie star of 1950.

Further: Women like status. More specifically, women like status higher than their own. Money is status. Fame is status. Looks are status etc etc. When a woman give 'zero' fucks about celebrity, it is because said celebrity provides no status.

You used an example of yourself. A youtube 'star'. This isn't fame. Nobody knows who you are. [In fact, I couldn't name a single youtube star unless Roosh counts]. You used the example of Henry Cavill. He has not been famous long. He has a solitary major picture. He isn't instantly recognisable, hence he doesn't get immediate fame 'pussy' [He will get more pop after Batman v Superman].

That being said: I have seen first hand what happens when girls 'know' he is famous [As illustrated by my previous example].

Everyone is spot on in this thread. There should be no confusion. The TLDR: You don't receive the benefits of fame because you are not famous. In fact any bar tender at any bar would automatically have more status than you in that environment.

Nobody purposely attempts to be a 'dick' on these forums. It's just honesty. If people deluded themselves this forum would get nowhere.

[Rhyme or Reason]

High value can only be demonstrated, never explicated.

[BossOfBosses]

(03-22-2016 05:46 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:34 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

First, re-read the original post.

People are "clowning" because they have no clue what this thread is about. They think it's about one thing, when it's about another. Maybe I did'nt make it clear enough. I don't know, but you and others are getting the wrong idea.

I mentioned a solid example of an A-list, multi-million dollar actor being ignored on the street. It was a perfect example of my original point. Somehow you got lost in the shuffle. You now don't know what the fuck you're talking about. At this point, you're borderline trolling. Stop trying to make dumb-ass arguments about nothing, that will get you nowhere.

I'm not only big on Youtube by views, but I've been mentioned in almost every major online news publication, including huffpo. I'm also on Wikipedia (and listed among comedians). That is enough to qualify for at least some fame. Girls respond with only mild interest. I'm not "butthurt" by this, I'm fascinated by it. That's the whole point of this thread. To figure out the reason why.

Let's get this thread back on track.

The very short answer to your question is that 'no' fame game isn't diluted. It is at it's apex. A movie star of 2015 has significantly more exposure than a movie star of 1950.

Further: Women like status. More specifically, women like status higher than their own. Money is status. Fame is status. Looks are status etc etc. When a woman give 'zero' fucks about celebrity, it is because said celebrity provides no status.

You used an example of yourself. A youtube 'star'. This isn't fame. Nobody knows who you are. [In fact, I couldn't name a single youtube star unless Roosh counts]. You used the example of Henry Cavill. He has not been famous long. He has a solitary major picture. He isn't instantly recognisable, hence he doesn't get immediate fame 'pussy' [He will get more pop after Batman v Superman].

That being said: I have seen first hand what happens when girls 'know' he is famous [As illustrated by my previous example].

Everyone is spot on in this thread. There should be no confusion. The TLDR: You don't receive the benefits of fame because you are not famous. In fact any bar tender at any bar would automatically have more status than you in that environment.

Nobody purposely attempts to be a 'dick' on these forums. It's just honesty. If people deluded themselves this forum would get nowhere.

Well-put together, reasonable explanation. This is what I what I'm talking about. You've made some fair points.

[Roosh]

7 day ban for BossOfBosses.

[Chemistry]

Let's try to save this thread. New question for all you cats:

How can one turn a following on YouTube into warm leads?

I have a YouTube channel, but I'm not on any Wikipedia lists like Bosses claims to be. I can't write up a legit data sheet for this either, since I'm an LTR kinda guy.

I figure you could:
* Ensure your community of followers feels engaged with you as a person. Definitely best if your face (and probably ideally your upper body) gets heavy screentime.
* Announce in a video that you'll be travelling around certain areas, because you want to "get to know your fan base" and "have so much fun meeting the kind of people who 'get me'"
* Let the idea of meeting you simmer in peoples' minds for about a week.
* Announce a meetup for the city you live in (or one nearby, or one you're travelling to, etc) and tell people to Message you (via YouTube or Twitter or whatever) if they're coming or not. You can claim this is so you know what the turnout will be, will also save you from embarrassment if there's no interest, AND you can selectively message back the girls you like who reached out and text game them as usual.

^^
Summary:
- Build a following
- Announce a meetup in X city and get people to message you whether they can come
- Game any girls who reach out to you

[General Stalin]

I speculate there is really only one solid way to cash in on youtube fame, and that is to capitalize on your audience as Chemistry touched upon.

For example: a really well-known nightclub DJ or EDM artist doesn't get pussy just walking around the street because most every average day-to-day person doesn't know shit about nightclub DJs and EDM artists and wouldn't recognize one in a crowd, but you can bet your ass he crushes pussy when he goes to a gig.

To that token, Youtube celebs would do well at conventions and such or social events where "their crowd" is in attendance. Somewhere they would be recognized and their notoriety on the web actually matters.

[EDantes]

My take is that "fame itself" is overrated.

Most of the guys who are famous are actually slick and charismatic, this is the real reason for their charm, not the "fame itself", in fact the charisma is what helped them negotiate their way to the top and become famous to begin with.

Some guys, especially musicians might get laid from groupies even if they have bad game just because of their status as a "celebrity", but generally I believe the fame follows attractiveness, rather than vice versa as the average layperson thinks.

Almost no one really just "becomes famous" by pure luck even if they have talent; most guys such as Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt who became famous did so by being passionate about what they did and talking well to people in the industry.

So IMO using your "fame" as your sole trump card is a bad move; you should work on your personality and developing the traits the famous people have that make them attractive to begin with (there's a Youtube Channel called Charisma on Command that does a great job demonstrating this).

[Distant Light]

(03-22-2016 02:25 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

I sense a small bit of jelly here. I'm sure all you guys who have any sort of fame would be the first to leverage it to score some bombshell.

Fame game DOES work only if the recognizes you and lets you know first. Baiting can work if its a cool story, but saying I got a youtube channel is not the same effect. Did you make the actual front page of those for-mentioned sites. Have you ever been on the "big boys" (CNN, Fox News, Buzzfeed (yes I know)). Do you meet Wikipedia's notoriety test.

Do you get freebies in your niche? And we are talking about significant freebies.

Being in the top 0.1% doesn't mean much. The population of the us is over 300 Million, that means you have 299,999 other people to compete with.

There's probably less than 500 true A listers in the world, household names that people would remember.

And New York is a real crappy place to test out fame, since everyone is "jaded". Put him in suburbia USA next to a poster and see if people recognize him.

Makes no sense, if you want hotties and leveraging "fame" why would you be going to the suburbs? There are venues PACKED with hotties if you have the right connections...

I've seen LOTS of celebs most do not do anything worth nothing...Exception being, dicpario I used to be connected within that circle and I can say its a HANDFUL of unknowns who provide an amazing social circle for him. When you hear about him in the press leaving with 20 chicks it's the men you don't hear about who facilitates it. (I personally know a few who personally connects him, he in NY is like "part of the scene" a friend of many big connectors. He's chill, even ended up at a friend's penthouse after party)

Flipside, Mr Bieber came to town in 2013 and about 3-4 chicks on different occasions mentioned how they were turned off by his "approach". That tall white guy who was married to Kim K also tried hitting on one of my crazies saying "wow your tall..." to her.

I'm sure suburbs would be different BUT also remember the average social dude would KILL IT in a smaller city because it's like a big fish in a small pound, your the only one doing anything socially on a much larger level...

I haven't traveled yet but I went to atlantic city once at a bar with my MOTHER!! I didn't drink back then (woulda be rated R) but my mother was shocked observing a slow/dead non-existent dancefloor turn into a full blown party...
- Some chick approached me thinking my mother was my gf (ended up stradding her friend cause it was her bday) talking about how awesome I am
- Dancing with some milf
- Everyone coming on dancefloor to have some fun
- Dudes looking like "wtf, how is he doing this?" (My mother was observing) and 15mins in the got one of there boys to go out there only to call him back hahaha.
- Pulled 2 girls in 1 night
- My mother said I was a "douche" that I rejected some big chick when I was with a group of 6 girls...I think the chick just misinterpreted me

Most women aren't used to meeting dudes who are in top tier social realms which is why a celeb who gets no play in high-end scene COULD potentially get some play off of his fame in smaller cities, assuming he is known. A celeb is probably gonna be the highlight of their year of decade so better to run with it then not...

It's like living in cleveland ohio and a bus full of playboy playmates on tour stops at Joe's Pub for 1-night. EVERY SINGLE DUDE is hitting joe's pub on that night ain't no way they're gonna pass up on seeing 20 playmates do a shitty bikini contest.

Personally I don't care for celebs, I make it a point to avoid them due to people spectating rather than living. (DJ Company owner b-day party...Lil jon, usher, jermaine dupri and some other guy all at next table on a mic everyone just watching THEM LIVE. Ironically ran into my pornstar friend that day too who came out to support owner of the DJ company)

I LOVE the "behind the scenes" guys, the ones who nows 100s of model types and no one knows their name. Sadly, many of them have kids and/or have moved on to opening their own concierge service, restaurant or moved to LA for some reason...

NOTE: These are the same guys who are bringing their social circle to hang at the VIP section of Ultra Festival FOR FREE.

Irony check out this video...

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I think that might be a small scenario. In Sydney, word got out that Henry Cavill was visiting a night club called Beach Haus, and dozens of stunning girls lined up to get laid. Also: Henry Cavill isn't a very big star…

Fame will always draw crowds, in actuality for most it doesn't convert into many lays or the person even connecting with any women.

NY is back on that celeb formula which is why I don't go out much anymore. (Dislike hiphop) Celebs draw crowds, wayyyyy back a sunday hip hop party was surprisingly dead on this night jay-z showed up at about 2am almost INSTANTLY place got packed.

(03-22-2016 12:09 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

I guess the title of this thread should have been "Is Youtube Fame Pointless?" to further clarify. I see a lot of people getting butthurt.

In this case I'd say NO it's not pointless...

Most likely you're doing or living in a manner that you genuinely love and are passionate about. Women wanting to meet you is just a byproduct of you living, it isn't the MAIN FOCUS...

My bro watches all the big youtubers vlogs and there is a reason vitaly has a different fanbase than guys like fouseytube. Dude didn't all of a sudden start living and hanging with chicks in such environments nor does it have anything to do with his whole "prank" niche.

That being said youtube has lead to people getting an "in" within entertainment related stuff so work/life/career wise it's solid BUT solely to get laid, you're better off being an "unknown" who is just a cool ass social dude. You got more time to focus on it...

(03-22-2016 05:34 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

I'm not only big on Youtube by views, but I've been mentioned in almost every major online news publication, including huffpo. I'm also on Wikipedia (and listed among comedians). That is enough to qualify for at least some fame. Girls respond with only mild interest. I'm not "butthurt" by this, I'm fascinated by it. That's the whole point of this thread. To figure out the reason why.

Let's get this thread back on track.

This makes no sense...

If this is the case then you should be the one doing the "case study" as your the one on here with the FAME...So go test it instead of being a theorist about it...

You are in the better position to explore this than probably MOST of us...

All anyone can give you is their own outlook based on their viewpoint, experiences, wisdom and potentially dogmatic beliefs...

Way I see it based on people who've approached me thinking I'm famous/known, it's more of a FOOT IN THE DOOR your lameness will still shine eventually and only the real hardcore obsessed fans will be open to sex ASAP due to mindfucking themselves for all those years...

Fame is a good excuse for women to socialize to get the ball rolling...If you're a cool dude it's turkey shoot. However, go "work the room" and I bet you you'll have the same affect with women coming up to you because it's observed that you're "open and friendly". Same applies if some chick you've never spoke to in college class sees you having fun in a random club, instead of being BORED it's "hey I know that guy he sits on other end of my philosophy class...Hey mr!!!" (this actually happened to me with this tall english chick who went to the same acting school as me, never spoke yet all over me night we met despite that time period me having lots to learn before becoming remotely good with women)

Anywho, ball is in your court go explore your youtube fame in next 6-months and report back...I've been hanging in high end scene for almost 4 years now (technically last 2-years I just keep in touch and support old friends) so I can only speak based on my own wisdom.

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My point being I think its relevant to peoples interests, and if they have heard of you before. Prime example the "KirillWasHere" guy who is twitter famous came to my town recently and girls freaked out, a guy I know's girlfriend ended up on his snapchat getting champagne poured on her ass. Lol.

It boils down to would they have heard of your youtube channel before? I'm not familiar with your content to be honest. Take in contrast someone like Roosh who likely gets recognized on the street relatively often now, which perhaps has given him a level of fame game with girls.

Agreed!!!

It's unreal seeing how both kiril and "chainsmokers" have blownup. Back when I first started hanging in NY high end scene they were all part of this one hipster "bro" circle of cool ass guys. (I'm pretty sure every dude in the crew got laid more than average)

Everyone has grown up going their own way BUT for me it's inspiring to see guys you've hungout with and partied hard with go on to do bigger things. Even seeing 1oak (I dislike hiphop but forced to go there in past since EVERYONE ended night there) as a brand end up in LA and Vegas along with 4AM DJs as a brand.

Although Kirill and Chainsmokers are the only ones who are "known". I searched for the video BUT it seems to no longer exist...

4 years ago Kiril and a DJ named Jesse Marco did a "dropout tour" where Jesse played is bonkers DJ sets while kiril got chicks going wild for the camera. That's what truly got him known, in a sense he was just living is life.

(only vid I can find, there used to be a montage of all the schools and tons of pics)

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How can one turn a following on YouTube into warm leads?

Be a cool ass dude who incorporates women into their channel...

Most youtubers my brother follows has a following of little kids. If you want warm leads...
- Come off as a bachelor BUT be entertaining or eccentric
- Have lots of chicks in your life (Most guys don't got female friends cause they're always trying to fuck every decent chick due to scarcity mindsets)
- Make good content
- Incorporate bringing new chicks into your life whether it be chicks hitting you up on instagram to party with you and your "crew of girls" or WINNING a chance to come to your house party, whatever.
- Connect with other connectors, this will open the floodgates to lots of hot women

I like this guys style SUPPOSEDLY both him and the girls imply the random chicks that sometimes comes over. Ironically his channel goes hand in hand with chicks...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vi4cNHMRfU

[Apollo21]

It's probably been said before....fame is mostly an illusion. It can help with social proof...however you still have to actively network to make connections and meet people.

Success in game then becomes a formula: how much you network + personality

[XPQ22]

Is it possible to run "fame game" as an introvert?

I'm not an introvert myself, but would consider myself an extrovert. But if I take that four letter MB personality test that seems so popular with young women these days I always get the same extrovert "type", and it's the most "introverted" of the extroverted types, and that's definitely true.

I like talking with people in small groups, I'm definitely good at "ramble game" when cold-approaching girls, and get pretty restless if I'm by myself for long periods of time with no other people to be around. But I have to take it in small doses and need a lot of downtime. I rapidly get uncomfortable in larger groups, or when I'm the center of attention in any group larger than about three. Pictures of the huge crowds at Burning Man or various music festivals sort of terrify me.

One of the reasons I like online dating is it's intimate. I'm not out with a group at a bar or a club, I'm meeting up with these girls privately and one on one, sometimes hooking up with them in my car or at one of our places. I kind of get off on the intrinsic "secret society" nature of it. It definitely appeals to some of them as well.

I have a small circle of close friends. I think being enormously popular (or even mildly popular) would be extremely difficult and unsettling for me. Anonymity, not having a huge social circle of extroverts that talk a lot, and sort of being a "man who does not exist" can also have its advantages when it comes to game, if you know what I mean.

I think "secret society" type game rather than "fame game" may actually be the best choice for me.

[cosine]

Girls get far more wet if they just happen to find out about your accomplishments than if you inform them.

[IntBM]

(03-25-2016 07:49 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

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How can one turn a following on YouTube into warm leads?

Be a cool ass dude who incorporates women into their channel...

Most youtubers my brother follows has a following of little kids. If you want warm leads...
- Come off as a bachelor BUT be entertaining or eccentric
- Have lots of chicks in your life (Most guys don't got female friends cause they're always trying to fuck every decent chick due to scarcity mindsets)
- Make good content
- Incorporate bringing new chicks into your life whether it be chicks hitting you up on instagram to party with you and your "crew of girls" or WINNING a chance to come to your house party, whatever.
- Connect with other connectors, this will open the floodgates to lots of hot women

I like this guys style SUPPOSEDLY both him and the girls imply the random chicks that sometimes comes over. Ironically his channel goes hand in hand with chicks...

I used to watch SkyyJohn's channel back when youtube was young.

Looks like he did an interview last year where he stated, "I only date girls that know me through youtube." And then went on to explain. Go to 14:50 (although the whole thing is interesting). May be useful:

(03-26-2016 08:39 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Is it possible to run "fame game" as an introvert?

I'm not an introvert myself, but would consider myself an extrovert. But if I take that four letter MB personality test that seems so popular with young women these days I always get the same extrovert "type", and it's the most "introverted" of the extroverted types, and that's definitely true.

I like talking with people in small groups, I'm definitely good at "ramble game" when cold-approaching girls, and get pretty restless if I'm by myself for long periods of time with no other people to be around. But I have to take it in small doses and need a lot of downtime. I rapidly get uncomfortable in larger groups, or when I'm the center of attention in any group larger than about three. Pictures of the huge crowds at Burning Man or various music festivals sort of terrify me.

One of the reasons I like online dating is it's intimate. I'm not out with a group at a bar or a club, I'm meeting up with these girls privately and one on one, sometimes hooking up with them in my car or at one of our places. I kind of get off on the intrinsic "secret society" nature of it. It definitely appeals to some of them as well.

I have a small circle of close friends. I think being enormously popular (or even mildly popular) would be extremely difficult and unsettling for me. Anonymity, not having a huge social circle of extroverts that talk a lot, and sort of being a "man who does not exist" can also have its advantages when it comes to game, if you know what I mean.

I think "secret society" type game rather than "fame game" may actually be the best choice for me.

I believe it is absolutely possible to run fame game as an introvert.

(I also believe that famous people are only famous because of game directly applied to their contacts in the industry instead of towards women.)

There are quite a few very successful introverted actors and musicians.

Clint Eastwood, Harrison Ford, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Marlon Brando...

The key is to implement a creative endeavor that draws people in and to showcase it (easier said than done) while improving over time.

It will only attract the attention of those who are seriously interested in you and what you do.

You select from that pool depending on what you are looking for (qualification).

It's a more focused approach than the shotgun approach and can be highly frustrating.

The catch 22, as you've stated, is that you can't have as much privacy as you would like.

[underboss]

(03-22-2016 02:37 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

No. Just by recognizing that game is a thing you're better off than 90% of other males, at least in the US.

Men are becoming more feminine (and women are becoming more masculine)

This gets exaggerated. In SWPL cities (the minority) this is probably true. Seattle, Portland, SF, then Minneapolis, Austin to a lesser extent. All tier1/2/3 cities have the "gentrified" yuppie neighborhoods where quite a few men skew this direction. Then the liberal college towns which aren't even a blip on the radar, but they are there.

Most blue collar men in the in the intermountain west, midwest, rust belt, & south are not becoming more feminine. Same applies to white collar men. Most of suburban America hasn't fallen to this propaganda for the most part. Typically, more people live in suburbs than the actual city. I'm not a right-winger by any means, probably lean liberal on some issues but the feminization of American men is exaggerated.

They outnumber the SWPL types by far, but don't get discussed nearly as much.

As for women becoming more masculine, the current wave of feminism probably has had an effect, but it's not really them being more masculine opposed to nonstop "you go grrl" stuff combined with insufferable sarcasm.

[griffinmill]

Two of the most famous people I've seen up close are Justin Bieber and Arnie on separate occasions at The Grove in Los Angeles.

The striking thing is that these two mega-celebrities were able to walk through the mall unmolested. I did not see crowds, I did not see paps, and I did not see women (or men for that matter) coming up asking for autographs.

Some young girls (very few though) did approach Bieber for a selfie, but for the most part the type of scuffle you might see on TMZ is utterly contrived.

Not doubting the power of fame game, but it may be a little overstated.

[Darkwing Buck]

(03-21-2016 09:24 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 05:15 PM)Blobert Wrote:  

It never has been simply about being famous, it's always depended on context. You have to be famous in a way that's cool to the particular girl in question.

Rock stars and actors that people recognize (I don't know the Superman guy either, but everyone knows Al Pacino), are somewhat universally cool. But if you're, say, a youtuber, a professor, a preacher, a serial killer, a businessman that's somewhat widely known? It's not gonna be a turn-on to most people, just to those who fancy that specific niche.

Cavill is an A-LIST actor. I think that qualifies. His face is *everywhere*. His billboards are everywhere. He's on Facebook, he's on TV, he's everywhere. You can't say people have'nt seen him. He was in the last Superman movie too. But people mostly ignore him. Girls should be mobbing him everywhere he goes, but they're not. How do you explain this?

The guy has no presence. No distinguishing characteristics. He's basically a walking prop. It kinda reinforces what I was saying in the OP.

Cavill is ONLY known for Superman dude. I never knew who the fuck he was before watching that movie. If someone hasn't watched the new Superman movies they wouldn't know who the fuck he was.

What part of this do you not understand...? I'm not into baseball. I HATE baseball and never watch it. If I was to walk down the street and go by the 20 most famous baseball players in the MLB I wouldn't know who the FUCK they were. I would just stroll on by.

There's a context for everything. Also his face isn't on "every billboard". I don't even understand what you're trying to argue. Henry Cavill isn't that popular. He's just "the guy who plays Superman".

You've ignored what everyone had to say in this thread so you can whine about how the dude didn't get bumrushed in Time's Square. You think because he didn't get bumrushed in Time's Square that he's not smashing whatever fine pussy he feels like...?

This thread is brainless.

[crdr]

(03-22-2016 09:00 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I speculate there is really only one solid way to cash in on youtube fame, and that is to capitalize on your audience as Chemistry touched upon.

For example: a really well-known nightclub DJ or EDM artist doesn't get pussy just walking around the street because most every average day-to-day person doesn't know shit about nightclub DJs and EDM artists and wouldn't recognize one in a crowd, but you can bet your ass he crushes pussy when he goes to a gig.

To that token, Youtube celebs would do well at conventions and such or social events where "their crowd" is in attendance. Somewhere they would be recognized and their notoriety on the web actually matters.

I got to join my DJ friends on stage as a strictly jumpin' hype man.
Literally batting women off me.

I work in the Movie Industry. Don't bring it up. Let them find out for themselves when they do recon on you through google.

Search Engine Fame is something that shouldn't be ignored either. Be discreet. Don't let the internet tell too much about yourself. But just a general essence works wonders on the female imagination.

[blck]

So one dude went in Time Square, haven't been recognized and your conclusion is that the value of Fame Game is being diluted ?

What kind of malarkeys are you trying to pull here ?