Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
That's not why he was sent at all. He taught the old testament himself at the synagogue. He came to fulfill the 10 commandments and offer universal salvation. Amazing ignorance on full display here. Dude your own Koran contradicts you:
Dawood - Quran 3:48 - 50
48. He [Allah] will instruct him [Jesus] in the Scriptures and in wisdom, in the Torah and in the Gospel
49. and send him forth as an apostle to the Israelites. He will say: "I bring you a sign from your Lord". ...
50. "I come to confirm the Torah which preceded me and to make lawful to you some of the things you are forbidden. I bring you a sign from your Lord: therefore fear God and obey me."
Drop everything and start reading.
Yes this is what I am saying. He came to confirm the original torah as it was revealed to Moses....because the jews corrupted it. so he came to make lawful the things that are forbidden by them.....he came to correct them because they rejected and messed up the torah. This is exactly what I am saying....and the good word that he taught them in the synagogue was basically the corrected torah. Where is this corrected torah? that is what I am saying. This is why jesus warned them about changing even one letter in the book.....because they were changing it.
ok so is that clear enough?
Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
Muslims keep claiming the bible was corrupted, but have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls ? The bible has not even changed a word since. If one document has changed it is the Koran. Have you heard about the Koran burning and re-editing by Uthman? How can you trust your Koran after such event. The bible is backed by an Archaeological review conducted by actual archaeologists. Meanwhile, Islam claims that Abraham build the Kabaa, a historical impossibility.
Your bible was written long time after jesus death, by unknown authors. It is the gospel according to "enter companions name here"
I'm saying the bible you are reading now is not the one that jesus came with...he came with the corrected torah...we call it the injeel.
your bible is like our hadith.
Your bible gets changed....words added, removed, different versions...sometimes books removed.
Quran has not changed since Uthman put it together. Never will never can. but yours does and keeps changing....jesus was not the author of it.
Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
One more thing, the Koran itself commands people of the book to refer to their books: Dawood - Quran 5:46, 47 " Therefore let those who follow the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not judge according to God's revelations. "
If we are told by mohamad to follow our gospel how do you say it is corrupted. We know for a fact that the bible was not changed since the year 600.
Yes you are right. and like jesus said there will come a time when the bible is corrupt. Quran does command this for various reasons and one is that the books says there is another messenger coming....i'm sure it is still around in some parts of your bible or maybe not. Just like in the torah they supposed to know that another messenger is coming...but they rejected it and did not follow their book properly yes??? Follow the books properly and then you will end up in the correct place and accept all the prophets that god has sent us.
Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
Let me touch on the point that the Koran is the word of God. I wish the western world would start teaching the Koran in universities down to every single verse because I believe it would get laughed out of existence. The Koran is supposed to be the timeless and eternal word of God. Spoken before time and creation itself. Yet it is full of scientific inaccuracies, the sun setting in the mud, earth being a flat disc and many others. More importantly there are verses that serve no purpose other than accommodate every single wish Moahamad has. Even a child can follow the pattern and realize this is simply the word of mo not god.
hmmm no. quran does not say world is flat. it says god spread it out to make it easy for us.
Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
I think people say the bible says it is flat. ? you tell me what the bible says about the shape of the earth?
Sun setting is something though....we do say the sun moves around the earth. so yep that definitely goes against current thinking. Quran says sun and moon move. Does not say the earth moves.
Scientifically both are theories.....and we keep changing our theories and views all the time.
that said....there is plenty scientific marvels in the quran. but i will not say that is what proves god exists. that is pretty lame argument.
Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
One example is Mohamad's desire and lust for his adopted son's wife. Conveniently God "reveals" to him a verse which asks his son to divorce and for mohamad to marry her. It is in Koran, yes before time itself Allah was worried about Mohamad's sexual desires. Ridiculous perversion of a religion.
I dont see how that reveals his lust. so god says to him in quran to marry her. where did it say...."oh my prophet...i see you lust for her....go get some"
come on bro.....keep it real. So is that the most perverse thing you saw in the quran?
secondly I do not think you want to bring up perversion....I hear there is a lot of it in the bible....but you tell me.
Quote: (04-28-2016 08:58 PM)syrianguy Wrote:
Last point, muslims keep talking about christians worshiping two gods. When effectively, Mohamad is elevated far above other prophets and subliminally equaled to Allah in many instances. Do you know that the expression is not "Mohamad, peace be upon him" but "Sallah Allah Aleyhi ou salam"= Momhamad, Allah prayers upon him and peace" Who does Allah pray to ? What does it mean to pray upon someone ? Isn't Allah a the divine God so how does he need to pray ? I am asking you those questions but I bet you aren't even aware of the arabic expression
I never once said to you that you worshipping two gods.
You know its like you just have a pre-conceived Idea....and you just debating against yourself.
Says may allah honor him, or bless him, or give him peace.
dude your doing it again....you say you know arabic so well.....so you know all the different meanings to words and where they are derived from. you know how big our dictionary is compared to an english one.
back to the ninja bandana....translate that for us again. especially the red part which you said read bismillah. lets see if you get that right this time.