[H1N1]

^ If that shocked you, brace yourself for this: in the last couple of years Philip Green has taken £400 million out of it in dividends.

[Foolsgo1d]

(04-26-2016 12:53 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 12:27 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

They're already trying to blame the failure of British Home Stores on this Euro in/out bullshit.

All the 'in' campaign has to do is point to businesses and say to them; "this is your fate". Not taking into consideration the business model of BHS was bad and some behind the scenes boiler room type stuff fucked the whole company up.

They're silent about British steel going under too, wonder why. We can't put a levy on Chinese steel because....we're in the EU and the EU makes our rules.

The failure of BHS is part of the national trend of high street decline. Sure there are other details as you mention, but essentially there is nothing exceptional about the failure of BHS.

It's conspicuous that all the arguments the 'In' groups have are based on either 'feelings' or fallacies. The 'leave' arguments are generally fact based.

Oh I agree, BHS is one of many dinosaurs that have not adapted to the fallout of the High Street. Only in the larger cities is the High Street favoured but the term High Street in London, Birmingham and Manchester has different meaning to those tier 2, tier 3 places.

But the fact he sold it for £1 and nobody batted an eyelid should show how corrupt the system is. Here is a rich guy who played the system and came out on top without having to answer the question of a pension problem for thousands of people.

A lot of BHS workers are women so this will not go down well and the conservatives cannot brush this away like they normally do.

If he profited from this he should pay for it.

[Saweeep]

(04-27-2016 06:30 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

^ If that shocked you, brace yourself for this: in the last couple of years Philip Green has taken £400 million out of it in dividends.

That impresses me more than shocks me!

[captain_shane]

More scare mongering from the IMF cunt Legarde

Quote:

A vote to leave the EU next month could precipitate a stock market crash and steep fall in house prices, the International Monetary Fund has warned.

Quote:

“We have looked at all the scenarios. We have done our homework and we haven’t found anything positive to say about a Brexit vote,” she said.

Quote:

The IMF’s warning was coupled with a prediction that a vote to remain in the EU would spur a rebound in growth in the second half of the year, ending more than 12 months of stagnant output and falling business confidence. But it painted a gloomy picture of the potential fallout from a vote to leave. “Markets may anticipate such adverse economic effects. This could entail sharp drops in equity and house prices, increased borrowing costs for households and businesses, and even a sudden stop of investment inflows into key sectors such as commercial real estate and finance,” it said.

Source

[Foolsgo1d]

Globalists want to attack the normal person and their fears.

- House prices
- Food and clothes
- Travel
- Banking
- Jobs

All 5 of these are what most people hold dear and they know it. Telling someone they face losing it all can create a sense of dread they can play on.

[Que enspastic]

UK will definitely vote to "stay in". Come back to this post on 23 June and tell me I was right. The central issue for the Brexit camp is the democratic deficit that comes with signing up to the EU; British politicians don't have the final say on many key matters. None of the main arguments raised by the pro-Brexit crowd will be enough for the general population to vote leave. Things are not ideal but the alternative is "risky" and therefore scary.

Scottish referendum, Ed Milliband and Brexit will all tie nicely together as campaigns where the more passionate side lost out to the status quo.

[Ethan Hunt]

(05-14-2016 10:17 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

UK will definitely vote to "stay in". Come back to this post on 23 June and tell me I was right. The central issue for the Brexit camp is the democratic deficit that comes with signing up to the EU; British politicians don't have the final say on many key matters. None of the main arguments raised by the pro-Brexit crowd will be enough for the general population to vote leave. Things are not ideal but the alternative is "risky" and therefore scary.

Scottish referendum, Ed Milliband and Brexit will all tie nicely together as campaigns where the more passionate side lost out to the status quo.

A lot of the men in my family are voting to leave. Also you have to register to vote. Many millions of people do not know how to register, the vast majority of those would be remain voters. I wouldn't take the in/out polls seriously as at least half of those remain 'voters' won't make it to the polls.

I can see out hanging to clinch it by a very small margin.

[Marmite]

It doesn't matter how people vote, Britain will not be leaving the EU.

[RedPillUK]

I think the population is split into several groups for this vote.

You have all of the UKIP voters, the third most popular party with millions of votes in the last election. I believe pretty much all of them will vote to leave, then there will be additional conservative/labour voters who will also vote to leave.

Then you have the people who actually firmly believe we should remain. These people are pretty naive, stupid and believe we should stay in because of their fears about trade, racism and enviromentalism. The passionate ones will go and vote to remain.

Then you have the apathetic general population, most of them are so lazy, stupid and ignorant they 'don't know' whether it's better to be in a failing union or their own country. They probably won't do anything, unless they get persuaded one way or the other. I believe it's more likely they'll be persuaded to vote out as the remain stuff isn't very convincing. But most of these idiots won't vote.

I think that the UK will vote out on 23rd, whether we actually leave or not, or the vote is rigged somehow is a different story. I'm going to be out of the country but will be voting by proxy and I've got her to vote out as well.

[NewMeta]

RedPillUK hit the nail on the head.

Im confident UK will vote leave but it is because those that want to remain, aren't actually going to bother to vote. Out of curiosity I asked a lot (about 10-15) of my British friends eligible to vote. Most dont care and wont, 3 want to stay but are on summer holiday so cant vote. A couple want to leave. That means that of that small sample size Leave won simply due to apathy...

Pathetic but that is how the leave campaign will win.

[Benoit]

I wonder which way the OAPs will vote?

The 65+ age group has the highest voter turnout, they knew life before Europe, but their pensions are propped up by the international money markets.

[captain_shane]

The leave campaign won't win. It doesn't matter if they got 90% of the vote, it won't happen. Like Roosh said on page 1, do you really think they'll allow people to vote themselves out? They'll rig the election and the stay campaign will take 52-55%.

[Que enspastic]

I've seen a lot of polls showing a "Brexit victory", just as I saw the polls suggest Scotland would vote out and Labour would dispatch the Conservatives. The other day I saw a Twitter poll of 500 finance professionals (Brexit won 65/35).

Those who trust polls and popular sentiment do not understand the overwhelming influence of the silent British majority. They are silent but deadly and will surprisingly (or unsurprisingly depending on your viewpoint) clinch a remain win at the last possible moment.

[Que enspastic]

Lets entertain a hypothetical : Brexit wins!! The vote in favour of out : 65yo+ 65:35%, 45-64yo 51:49%, 31-44yo 45:55%, 18-30yo 38:62%.

The young vote argues that the result was swung by an unrepresentative slice of the Daily Mail reading 65yo+ population. Waits 5 years, then a referendum again and the UK annuls the previous result and returns to the former status quo

[Saweeep]

Nah, what will happen if we vote out is that Cameron or whomever is PM will say that as a large % voted in it's only fair to try and find a solution that both sides are happy with..he will fly to Brussels and come home with some "amazing new deal for the British public".

Then we will vote again.

Repeat ad infinitum.

Trebles all 'round.

[Riquelme]

A very interesting look at the economic debate for Brexit.

[N°6]

I consider myself more European than British because most things that I hold dear such as the Christian-Gothic-Greco-Roman civilisation are not British but European.

Many things that I detest such as non-productive financialisation, inflated house prices, free-trade, globalism, the primacy of the individual over the group, the primacy of the usurer over labour, are British (and US) values not European.

All this being said. The EU is not European, it isn't even unEuropean, it is ANTI-EUROPEAN.

For this reason I am voting Brexit in the name of Europe so that other nations will also have the courage to secede.

If the UK decides to stay after being Euro-skeptic for so long, the unelected masters of the European Commission will not only see this as a vote of confidence but a sign of British weakness. The hastened disintegration of all European nations will be the result of the British being tamed. The reservoir of idle and single male labour will be unleashed onto Europe from Turkey and North Africa meaning our new borders will separate us from Mali and Iraq.

Revelation 18:4 Wrote:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[Diogenes]

(05-15-2016 06:00 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

All this being said. The EU is not European, it isn't even unEuropean, it is ANTI-EUROPEAN.

For this reason I am voting Brexit in the name of Europe so that other nations will also have the courage to secede.

If the UK decides to stay after being Euro-skeptic for so long, the unelected masters of the European Commission will not only see this as a vote of confidence but a sign of British weakness. The hastened disintegration of all European nations will be the result of the British being tamed. The reservoir of idle and single male labour will be unleashed onto Europe from Turkey and North Africa meaning our new borders will separate us from Mali and Iraq.

Completely agree with this. I don't think it is emphasized enough that there is no "status quo" vote in this referendum. We either get the hell out now or surrender completely to the globalists. If we vote to stay in there is no longer any excuse that "we didn't know what we were voting for". Anyone with two functioning neurons knows at this point that the EU is all about creating a federal superstate which will subsume all the originally separate states. Regardless of Cameron's bullshit about us being exempted from "ever closer union" you can be sure that if we vote to stay in the assimilation (or should I say digestion) program will be accelerated.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm not sure if there's a thread for it already, but Brussels is after the formation of an EU army and the inevitable dissolution of the various national armies of the member states.

If Brexit doesn't come through and they get their way on that one then it would be a serious nail in the coffin of resistance to globalism.

[MikeMcLaren]

Hopefully this happens. Without local politics, there is no democracy. The end of the EU would be a huge positive for democracy and has been nothing but a disaster.

[amity]

What do you all make of Boris Johnson's comments from last weekend?
He gave an interview in the Telegraph and got up the noses of the establishment and assorted cucks like Hilary Benn et al.
It's the closest I've heard from a well known political figure in Britain(aside from Nick Griffin) in exposing the Kalergi-ite roots and nation destroying intentions of the EU socialist superstate.
I hope I'm wrong but I suspect the Remain side will still win, either by scaremongering or by fixing the vote if it's looking too close to call.
Either way, Bravo Boris!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/...by-voting/

[Khan]

(05-18-2016 04:50 AM)amity Wrote:  

I hope I'm wrong but I suspect the Remain side will still win, either by scaremongering or by fixing the vote if it's looking too close to call.

Four years ago, when Croatia held a referendum about entering the EU, our foreign minister gave an interview two days before the vote in which she said, among other things "well, if you vote No, that's all fine and well, but in that case you can practically forget about your pensions", hinting at the possibility of our credit rating being slashed to the bottom and the country going bankrupt without EU help. Actually, that was pure blackmail when you think about it.

I remember going to the voting booth two days later. Guess what, the place was crawling with senior citizens. The scaremongering worked and 66% of the population voted Yes, with some of the most rural/conservative regions of the country (which are populated mostly by older people) voting overwhelmingly for the entry of Croatia in the EU.

I'm not much familiar with the UK political landscape, but I guess you can expect scaremongering on the same scale to happen to you as well.

[RedPillUK]

(05-15-2016 06:00 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I consider myself more European than British because most things that I hold dear such as the Christian-Gothic-Greco-Roman civilisation are not British but European.

   

What kind of a homo considers himself more European than British? "European" is a very broad range of cultures and nationalities so that doesn't even make sense as a way to define yourself.

It doesn't matter which you prefer. Identifying as another nationality, because you prefer their contributions to culture than your own is a very xenophilic lefty, cucky thing to do.

At least your voting the right way though! Cheers.

[Lizard King]

(05-18-2016 06:07 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(05-15-2016 06:00 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I consider myself more European than British because most things that I hold dear such as the Christian-Gothic-Greco-Roman civilisation are not British but European.

What kind of a homo considers himself more European than British? "European" is a very broad range of cultures and nationalities so that doesn't even make sense as a way to define yourself.

It doesn't matter which you prefer. Identifying as another nationality, because you prefer their contributions to culture than your own is a very xenophilic lefty, cucky thing to do.

At least your voting the right way though! Cheers.

Maybe he means: an Englishman in Europe, geographically not politically?

[UlteriorMotive]

I'm voting leave as are many of my colleagues / friends & family.

But in all honesty I have to agree with Roosh, that even if the majority vote leave I can't see it actually being allowed to happen.